This ref helped me to totally stop international fencing. He was my referee in pool last time I fenced a world cup. I fence for a small nation so he didn’t even watch the touches. I scored only one light and every other touch was for my opponent. Why would you train, pay and travel to find this on your way?
Keep reporting like this. Sabre's rules changes have allowed referees to make whatever call they want. There was always cheating, but now it's absurd and the simultaneous calls in the box are such coin toss that you can say anything with deniable plausibility.
You mention the psychological impact, but there's also the strategic impact. If I know the ref is against me, I have to go for completely unambiguous points. This is a serious disadvantage even if there are no additional bad calls.
Thank you so much for your videos!!!! Please keep doing this!!! My 10-year-old daughter was the victim of a conspiracy between the head coach and the judge, and the whole point is that my daughter was fencing with the daughter of another judge in the final. I watched disgusting refereeing. I sent the video of the fight to several judges and they were amazed at how rotten the refereeing was... I have written more than five letters to various functionaries of children's fencing, but they are not even going to review the results of that ill-fated fencing match. My daughter has experienced so much frustration and stress because of the arbitrariness of dishonest adults... But God sees everything, and they will be rewarded for their crimes.
how Perdibaeva still managed to keep this much composure despite that many wrong calls is beyond me Martilotti has been a very good ref in the past, which makes this even more dangerous
@Dd-ue4ct and to make it even more complicated, (if I understood correctly-please note: everything in this comment is alleged) Martilotti (along with Papa Toure) himself got wrongfully suspended as a referee after reffing the finals at the Budapest world championships-- where Korea beat Hungary. His refereeing was fine and perhaps even fair, and I think even in another video Slicer sabre quotes the Hungarian fencers not having an issue with the refereeing. What I mean is, Luigi Martilotti himself may have been punished unfairly in the past for not propping up a pro-Orban agenda. Doesn't excuse anything here of course.
Let's make a list of referees who are not trusted and keep pasting this on sabre videos on YT. I'll start with Luigi Martilotti, Vasil Milinchev, Fikrat Valiyev, Jacobo Morales or Brandon Romo.
It's so frustrating that USAFencing and the fencing FIE in general refuse to do anything as they find no wrong. It has destroyed my confidence in fencing as a community.
USA Fencing probably can't do much to an FIE Ref, especially when the tournaments happen outside the USA. Obviously, that doesn't excuse the FIE and their behavior.
Let's find some other of Herrera's bouts and have a look at any suspicious results. Let's make a list of fencers who converted to UZB and have a look at their matches. Some of these hits are borderline and some are so blatently biased it's ridiculous.
I beg to differ, fencers, although not equally responsible, should still face consequences. They can still understand that it is simply wrong. Just because they are young doesn’t mean they are oblivious to what is going om.
You are doing a great job, highlighting the awfull influence crooked people have on an otherwise great sport. But fencing died many years ago. You experience the same behaviorism at a sub-national level in this sport.
boycott is the only chance for highlighting this issue. participating in this and voting for Usmanov will make high level fencing pathetic and meaningless. and this condition of integrity will really threaten sabre fencing for being left out in future olympics.
"Follow the Money" A long, in depth google search with this title, along with the name of a libertarian from Canada who now lives in Japan and your world view could be potentially changed permately, but since this is a channel about fencing let's just stick to the phrase. "Follow the money" and you'll see why this ref did what he did.
Thanks for sharing this video, I think there is significant evidence here that the referee was biased toward the fencer on the left. Consider that perhaps he does not have control over this situation and he has been threatened by someone in order for this to happen. I'm not saying it's right (quite the contrary), if it was you, how would you respond when your livelihood (income and lifestyle) would be affected negatively; potentially you would be removed from your chosen profession and your life turned upside down if you didn't do as you were told? Food for thought
Can't say that first touch that is "clearly wrong" looks wrong to me. The fencer on the left also extended her arm.This is the trouble with sabre, which no longer allows compound attacks (like, say, two coupes, which used to be a right-of-way compound attack but which is now seen as a failed attack on the first coupé and a remise on the second. I give up.
This ref helped me to totally stop international fencing. He was my referee in pool last time I fenced a world cup. I fence for a small nation so he didn’t even watch the touches. I scored only one light and every other touch was for my opponent. Why would you train, pay and travel to find this on your way?
Luckily there’s still epee with little to no corruption
Keep reporting like this. Sabre's rules changes have allowed referees to make whatever call they want. There was always cheating, but now it's absurd and the simultaneous calls in the box are such coin toss that you can say anything with deniable plausibility.
You mention the psychological impact, but there's also the strategic impact. If I know the ref is against me, I have to go for completely unambiguous points. This is a serious disadvantage even if there are no additional bad calls.
facts
Thank you so much for your videos!!!!
Please keep doing this!!!
My 10-year-old daughter was the victim of a conspiracy between the head coach and the judge, and the whole point is that my daughter was fencing with the daughter of another judge in the final.
I watched disgusting refereeing.
I sent the video of the fight to several judges and they were amazed at how rotten the refereeing was...
I have written more than five letters to various functionaries of children's fencing, but they are not even going to review the results of that ill-fated fencing match.
My daughter has experienced so much frustration and stress because of the arbitrariness of dishonest adults... But God sees everything, and they will be rewarded for their crimes.
how Perdibaeva still managed to keep this much composure despite that many wrong calls is beyond me
Martilotti has been a very good ref in the past, which makes this even more dangerous
Yeah Martilotti has generally been pretty good. Definitely not ideal if even the "good" ones can't be trusted not to flip
@Dd-ue4ct and to make it even more complicated, (if I understood correctly-please note: everything in this comment is alleged) Martilotti (along with Papa Toure) himself got wrongfully suspended as a referee after reffing the finals at the Budapest world championships-- where Korea beat Hungary. His refereeing was fine and perhaps even fair, and I think even in another video Slicer sabre quotes the Hungarian fencers not having an issue with the refereeing. What I mean is, Luigi Martilotti himself may have been punished unfairly in the past for not propping up a pro-Orban agenda. Doesn't excuse anything here of course.
@@leftysabreuse3257 wouldn't be surprised if Budapest was a "warning" of sorts to Martilotti to fall in line.
Keep doing what you do. Thank you immensely for these kinds of videos
Let's make a list of referees who are not trusted and keep pasting this on sabre videos on YT. I'll start with Luigi Martilotti, Vasil Milinchev, Fikrat Valiyev, Jacobo Morales or Brandon Romo.
It's so frustrating that USAFencing and the fencing FIE in general refuse to do anything as they find no wrong. It has destroyed my confidence in fencing as a community.
USA Fencing probably can't do much to an FIE Ref, especially when the tournaments happen outside the USA.
Obviously, that doesn't excuse the FIE and their behavior.
Thanks for your video. Please keep digging 🙏
If a person has no shame, he will do whatever he wants. Even some dogs have a sense of shame.
This is ridiculous, and it all seems to got unnoticed. Disgusting behaviour
Let's find some other of Herrera's bouts and have a look at any suspicious results. Let's make a list of fencers who converted to UZB and have a look at their matches. Some of these hits are borderline and some are so blatently biased it's ridiculous.
Thank you very much, please keep going share these refree.............., someone must change sabre rules
I beg to differ, fencers, although not equally responsible, should still face consequences. They can still understand that it is simply wrong. Just because they are young doesn’t mean they are oblivious to what is going om.
He was the referee that robbed Gkountoura of a chance at an Olympic medal in Paris
Please keep reporting hopefully they will notice
Thank you for your dedicación!
Do they not want to send their best to the Olympics? This is self sabotage wtf
unfortunately, sabre needs an entire reboot. I don't think small timing changes will help at this point.
-she didn't even come to the competition
-i don't give a shit, she won
You are doing a great job, highlighting the awfull influence crooked people have on an otherwise great sport. But fencing died many years ago. You experience the same behaviorism at a sub-national level in this sport.
So true. I think everybody has a story from some little tournament with this.
There is just no way…. These calls are nasty.
THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH! PERDIBAEVA'S MOTHER PLACED IN ON FB. I FIRST WATCHED IT THERE.
epee chads can't stop winning
boycott is the only chance for highlighting this issue. participating in this and voting for Usmanov will make high level fencing pathetic and meaningless. and this condition of integrity will really threaten sabre fencing for being left out in future olympics.
Bro Thank you for this video ) 🥰🥰🥰
Watching these calls made me want to vomit... absolutely vile behavior from Martilotti.
As a viewer it would just be more watchable if doubles were allowed inside the box only. It is easier to follow priority actions outside the box.
they are pretty bad at hiding it
This is becoming Orwellian. The truth just does not matter. We see it daily on so many levels, so many venues. Keep at it.
Sabre is completely arbitrary. A coin toss for every point would be more fair.
Very interesting, thanks
"Follow the Money" A long, in depth google search with this title, along with the name of a libertarian from Canada who now lives in Japan and your world view could be potentially changed permately, but since this is a channel about fencing let's just stick to the phrase. "Follow the money" and you'll see why this ref did what he did.
Man, if you made videos on popular topics you'd blow up....
You sure?
Nah lol.
Heheheheh
woowoo!
The corruption is clearly reaching Dancingtuna.
😭😭😭
Thanks for sharing this video, I think there is significant evidence here that the referee was biased toward the fencer on the left. Consider that perhaps he does not have control over this situation and he has been threatened by someone in order for this to happen. I'm not saying it's right (quite the contrary), if it was you, how would you respond when your livelihood (income and lifestyle) would be affected negatively; potentially you would be removed from your chosen profession and your life turned upside down if you didn't do as you were told? Food for thought
Can't say that first touch that is "clearly wrong" looks wrong to me. The fencer on the left also extended her arm.This is the trouble with sabre, which no longer allows compound attacks (like, say, two coupes, which used to be a right-of-way compound attack but which is now seen as a failed attack on the first coupé and a remise on the second. I give up.
hehehehe
Vasil didn't even see the touch. He was obviously trying to joke with Martiloty. I like your videos, but this is a huge stretch here.
Bob
Please pin me
so ban fencing, it wouldn't be missed by most