The refreshed 2025 Taycan seems to have added some serious range and charging speed increases! What do you think the new Taycan 4S might be able to achieve on the Edmunds EV Range Test? Let us know in the comments below!
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg or 1000 lbs weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best.
Holy crap. 332kW peak charging and it put in 83kWh in 20 mins. That’s just bananas. With 300+ miles of freeway range and the ability to go 10-80% in 16 mins, that would make this equivalent to a gas car on a road trip.
Can only agree. If in a few years, this tech reaches the mid class as well, there's not really an argument left - except maybe towing - for an ICE car in most countries. Given that infrastructure grows quickly enough.
@@caleb9231 your Corolla takes 1.5 mins to go 0-60 and the Taycan gets plugged in after 10 seconds in the garage. Either way, your Corolla gets smoked.
@@BVZTIII I drive 280 miles a day or so daily. Also keep in mind electric cars aren't recommended to be charged to 100%. Most people charge them to 85% so thats 45 miles of range gone on a 300 mile EV.. Combine that with effects of cold and warm weather on the range and the realistic range people get is far lower than EPA estimates. Even more so if they start carrying more people and stuff. No electric car on sale today can match the combination of range and refill speed of my 25,000 dollar corolla so saying theyre on par with gas cars isnt accurate.
This is awesome. Porsche is kicking a** and taking no names. Absolutely brilliant. Now if Porsche would only put both North American charging ports on the cars; then they could just drop the microphone. If Porsche puts the CCS on one side and the NACS on the other; that opens the car to charge at any charger anywhere in North America. The driver doesn’t even have to think or plan what station they can stop at. All the thousands of chargers become fair options. Also makes A/C availability on both sides as both charging ports are able to do both A/C and D/C charging.
They announced a switch to “NACS”/J3400, but it’ll be a little while. The new Macan has the DC port on the rear left which will allow it to easily pull in at a Supercharger.
15-20% more efficient with a 10-15% bigger battery is a nice place to stay for a model refresh. Hopefully they bring in some of the Macan EV infotainment and nav updates.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
The Hyundai Ionic 5 N (arriving soon) and Kia EV6 GT both have quite impressive driving dynamics, not as good as Taycan, but close at a fraction of the cost and with excellent DC fast charge performance on an 800V architecture.
@@boilerdown1 as a German, I agree entirely. Both Kia and Hyundai really boosted their image with those. Such good cars ❤ That new Taycan actually surprised me though... gonna come at its price, but damn, the charging speed alone is absolute next level.
Without detracting from the good features and technical advantages of the new Taycan, I also maybe upgrade when available, I myself have managed with 2020 4S base battery version to consume 17kWh/100km = 27.3kWh/100mi without even trying, although in summer in Finland (20" tiers). Sure the average speed only about 81-85km/h= 50-53mph while many stops and traffic. The logic for me is the weight of the car, which I rank higher than range. After owning 4 years and driven more than 65tkm absolutely no issue with the range, but that is surely based on each personal needs. With long trips I enjoy some stops every 200-300km no issue. Great car and drive with smile every day!
Thanks Edmunds for this informed teaser video. You folks are smart and a 106 kW battery would be a fantastic enhancement, as would the ability to get over 300 miles real range (except of course during cold weather). We look forward to its actual reveal and your then official version next video. Reveal on Feb 7th as rumored?
That is an *insane* charging speed. This is what we need in more EVs, faster charging. We don't need range optimized batteries, we need power (both in and out)
3:53 a little addition: Even if you turn regenerative braking to "Off", it'll still recuperate if you tap the brake pedal. So yes, it's definitely the most efficient option.
Nice! The power of premium legacy manufacturers. Hyundai/Kia, BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Audi built the best EVs by far. Even Stellantis with their new STLA large platform and GM with their EV trucks (soon a Chevy Bolt refresh!) seems to keep up decently. Renault will reveal their sub €25k EV in just 3 weeks. With the larger 54kWh battery, which will cost 29k tho, it might achieve 400km WLTP/250miles of range.
That’s impressive. Still 100 miles short of my Lucid Air GT, but it charges faster than the Lucid charging curve. The interesting problem is charging that fast only matters if you’re on a timed road test. Lately since EA has been improving I’ve found I didn’t even have time to eat or take my kid through the WalMart toy section before I had to move the car to avoid idle fees.
thats fast charging! ofcourse it has to be optimal weather, battery temp preconditioning and a working station has to come together. I think that's the big step to EVs is to have faster charging speed. I'm fortunate to own an EV6 that I sometimes get 236kwh on a good day without have to spend $120k car like Porsche.
Any decent EV on the road today will get a great range at an average of 55mph. Is Porsche forcing all test drives to be at such a low speed to inflate range numbers? Show us the consumption numbers at 75mph.
100 / 32.3 = 3.01 miles per kwh WITHOUT REGEN Considering that it DOESN'T UTILISE ANY REGEN this is impressive, imagine what will happen if you regen to the max and make advantage of those down slopes. The efficiency level would be off the chart.... maybe above 4 or even 5 miles per kwh. That's insane.
Wait, wasn't Out of Spec told the opposite about regen on their test? It may differ from route to route, and jsut getting further is different than the most efficient way to average a given travle speed.
For today’s standard, the charging speed is really good, but I wish they would be successful to have 800V battery architecture and achieve 10% to 80% in ~15mn while still keeping high battery life cycles (3000+), and that this kind of tech is widely available on all EVs as 15mn would take ~10mn extra compared to refilling an ICE (5mn) (CATL Shenxing battery pack seems to have some nice performance metrics in that regards). Also need to have Vehicule-to-Home (V2H) and Vehicule-to-Load (V2L) as standard features on all EVs. All this would mitigate the downsides of EVs compared to an ICE, and make it more manageable which help convincing non EV enthusiast).
The charging speed is very impressive. I'm a huge fan of EV's, not that convinced of the climate hoax, I just love how they drive. I have a '22 Model 3P and it's a great car to drive and own, nothing on a Taycan of course, but it's plenty quick and comfortable with decent space. The German's always underrate their cars, I don't have any issue with that at all...better to under-promise and over-deliver as far as I'm concerned. However, the focus on charging speed, while it does close the convenience gap between EV and ICE, is going to create issues down the road. Batteries don't like to be charged that fast and it decreases lifespan. Not a knock on Porsche or any of the automakers for that matter - they are simply giving consumers what they want. But I am concerned it will lead to heaps of bad batteries in 8-10 yrs time, maybe earlier. I'm also glad to have an ICE car to take on longer trips, I honestly don't want to stop and charge when I'm driving more than 200 miles...I just want to gas up and go, especially when it's late and all I can think about is getting home and back in my own bed :) Even a 15-20 min charge is still 3-4 times longer than a fuel stop, although you do have the luxury of sitting in the car watching Netflix or taking a nap while it charges. So dunno, maybe I'm looking at it all wrong but having just returned from a 240 mile one way weekend trip I was glad we took our F150 and not the Tesla, which we were going to but changed our minds last minute because we had to be at our destination by a certain time and charging would have added too much time to the drive.
It is kinda for both, efficiency and better high speed capabilities. You can engineer the electric motor to have peak efficiency at lower rpm and power output figures if there is a transmission with a second gear to help out at higher speeds. The upcoming Mercedes-Benz CLA will also have a two speed transmission and the base/normal version is projected to "only" put out around 175kW, so it's focused on efficiency while still having enough power.
It surely isn't, it's a different platform. It might get the same technology, but not the same pack. The Macan has 95 kWh usable, this must have over 100 kWh.
@@RacingDuck Can not believer there is any difference...assume both have 106kwh and 95kwh usuable. Since Macan is a brick...it has lower range, than a perfect shaped car.
Haha, 55mph average speed? That's not a range test! EVs exponentially lose their range at speeds above that! 80mph and your results will be COMPLETELY different.
It was an average speed, meaning they were driving at 80 mph for some of the distance... just like in the real world, there are times when your speed will drop due to traffic or you need to get off at an exit to use the restroom, lowering your average speed.
Looks like all the Germans are doing great at the charger! Again peak charging rates are great but what is truly important when you are on a road trip and are charging to 80% or above is the ave rate. State if the art is 150 Kw plus.
Hopefully the refreshed Taycan has proper amber rear turn signals on USDM cars instead if the current one's watered-down and unacceptable all-red things with brake/turn signal combination lamps.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
Pro tip: Never buy a base model Porsche. 4S and higher trims or bust. Surprised the heck outa me after driving both that the Taycan 4S/Porsche 4 wheel drive system handles better than even the legendary Audi Quattro system in the rain and snow. No problem driving this car fast as fk in the rain and snow with peace of mind.
A typical excuse...how long should be the range?...1000-2000 km? The tests von Björn in Norway over 1000km are showing that the best EVs are only 15mins slower than the reference drive using an ICE...the Infrastructure is brilliant in Norway, which makes this happen. The first EV, which reached the same time like an ICE, was a NIO with battery swap...again, if there is the needed infrastructure, which will take some time, there is no excuse to drive an ICE anymore.
Tesla patiently waiting to see Porsche's hand before completely destroying it's new range and charging speed. Tesla always seems like they're just one step ahead. That and adding the imminent 4th motor > Porsche's 3....😂
A delusional Tesla fanboy, tragic but funny... Teslas are super outdated inside and out. There is no way there will be major improvements coming soon as their own charging network is outdated, too, and could not even provide higher charging speeds. They will start to replace their outdated and slow chargers first before any big change. Additionally, their 4680 cells are trash as well, so they would continue to rely on external suppliers for othery better, batteries and that is something they really would want to avoid. Model 3 has not seen any big improvement and Model Y won't either. The Model S would be the first of the main lineup to get those upgrades, like switching to 800V, but it actually does not make much sense as the competition is already far ahead in the luxury segment and Tesla sells negligible amounts of those high cost EVs. For the Cybertruck they tried to make it work but failed, the truck is worse than the comprtition. Tesla is limited in its capabilities for the mentioned reasons above. Tesla is a economy car manufacturer, nothing high-tech or cool about them. And customer actually know this now. And that is okay. Just don't be a fanboy out of touch with reality
@bullshitbingo2259 I'm a fan of all automobiles, ice, hybrids, and bevs. Tesla's history has shown this pattern. The Model S P100D was the fastest EV, until the Taycan was introduced, and then Tesla added another motor in the Model S Plaid, and annihilated the Taycan Turbo S at least in straight line acceleration. Now with the available track pkg, the Model S Plaid isn't the same one trick pony. It's going to be interesting.
If by Taycan ad, you mean showcasing a huge leap forward in EV technology with range, efficiency, and charging speeds beyond anything any other company has, then yes. It’s a Taycan ad.
That’s on a road trip… no one does 300 miles every day. For normal commuting, the owner of this car would have a garage. So home electric rates it is probably about $5 for 260 miles and the charging time is zero.. because it chargers while you in are bed and you leave the house the next day on 100%.
Lol you guys are dumb, the Edmunds range test is tested with lower average speeds. In the Edmunds test it would hit 350+miles and surpass Tesla Model S Plaid. The pure highway range at 70mph is easily 310miles+. The charging speed is insanely fast 6-83% in 21min. 10-80% should be 18 min and under. If you combine that with the information that a Taycan facelift just obliterated the Model S Plaid Track Package on the Nordschleife you can sum up that it will be one of the fastest EVs in driving performance and charging performance. For a performance EVs it has awesome everyday driving range and the interior, just like all Porsche, will be nice, too. You propably have the best performance to cost EV on the market here. And this video helped to build this point
Seems fairly reasonable to me how the did it. A 6 hour round trip of 326 miles. Obviously average speeds will be reduced whenever slowing or stopping but I think that amount of mileage covered in the time is fairly representative of what a large chunk of people will do.
@@ALMX5DPwhere is the 55mph speed limit for that distance. We want real world not a “let’s make EV range test look good” range test and then praise 326 miles like it’s a moonshot.
What are you talking about? I am a Tesla owner myself and I can't wait to dump my POS car and either get a Tycan or a Macan..The superchargers are now available for all cars (except Stellantid hasn't announced their switch) so Tesla is bound to be kicked in their nuts.. because why would anybody buy the worst car on the market with the most antiquated tech if they can simply use the supercharger network too and have a superior car? There simply is no reason to own a Tesla anymore starting 2025. BTW I have FSD and yes I am bitter that this fraudulent company cheated me out of my 7k and sold me something that will never ever work.
@@Zmap6191 I have to agree here. I have a Model 3 and after 15 service appointments in 2.5 years (number 16 is on the way...), I'm so done with Tesla and their shitty costumer service.
The refreshed 2025 Taycan seems to have added some serious range and charging speed increases! What do you think the new Taycan 4S might be able to achieve on the Edmunds EV Range Test? Let us know in the comments below!
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg or 1000 lbs weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best.
Holy crap. 332kW peak charging and it put in 83kWh in 20 mins. That’s just bananas. With 300+ miles of freeway range and the ability to go 10-80% in 16 mins, that would make this equivalent to a gas car on a road trip.
Can only agree. If in a few years, this tech reaches the mid class as well, there's not really an argument left - except maybe towing - for an ICE car in most countries. Given that infrastructure grows quickly enough.
My Corolla has 360 miles of range that tops off in 1.5 minutes. Electric cars are not even close to being on par with gas cars.
@@caleb9231 your Corolla takes 1.5 mins to go 0-60 and the Taycan gets plugged in after 10 seconds in the garage. Either way, your Corolla gets smoked.
@@caleb9231 how often do you actually need it?
@@BVZTIII I drive 280 miles a day or so daily. Also keep in mind electric cars aren't recommended to be charged to 100%. Most people charge them to 85% so thats 45 miles of range gone on a 300 mile EV.. Combine that with effects of cold and warm weather on the range and the realistic range people get is far lower than EPA estimates. Even more so if they start carrying more people and stuff. No electric car on sale today can match the combination of range and refill speed of my 25,000 dollar corolla so saying theyre on par with gas cars isnt accurate.
That 2025 Porsche Taycan looks good
Its close to perfection. Porsche just has everything: Design, engineering, build quality and heritage. And the loading speed is very impressive!
This is awesome. Porsche is kicking a** and taking no names. Absolutely brilliant. Now if Porsche would only put both North American charging ports on the cars; then they could just drop the microphone. If Porsche puts the CCS on one side and the NACS on the other; that opens the car to charge at any charger anywhere in North America. The driver doesn’t even have to think or plan what station they can stop at. All the thousands of chargers become fair options. Also makes A/C availability on both sides as both charging ports are able to do both A/C and D/C charging.
They announced a switch to “NACS”/J3400, but it’ll be a little while. The new Macan has the DC port on the rear left which will allow it to easily pull in at a Supercharger.
2025.
15-20% more efficient with a 10-15% bigger battery is a nice place to stay for a model refresh. Hopefully they bring in some of the Macan EV infotainment and nav updates.
Between BMW and Porsche, the Germans seem to still have an advantage in good-driving EVs that aren't merely good at a drag strip.
Gonna wait for the Taycan "Turbo GT" as the press calls it for now. This thing must be a monster.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
The Hyundai Ionic 5 N (arriving soon) and Kia EV6 GT both have quite impressive driving dynamics, not as good as Taycan, but close at a fraction of the cost and with excellent DC fast charge performance on an 800V architecture.
@@boilerdown1 as a German, I agree entirely. Both Kia and Hyundai really boosted their image with those. Such good cars ❤ That new Taycan actually surprised me though... gonna come at its price, but damn, the charging speed alone is absolute next level.
@@davidfujkk8018 the new taycan as in this Video is not built on ppe but rather on it's own platform.
That charging speed is amazing great!! And also an impressive range!!
A dealer herre in England told me 107kw a few months back now, so I think you're spot on
Without detracting from the good features and technical advantages of the new Taycan, I also maybe upgrade when available, I myself have managed with 2020 4S base battery version to consume 17kWh/100km = 27.3kWh/100mi without even trying, although in summer in Finland (20" tiers). Sure the average speed only about 81-85km/h= 50-53mph while many stops and traffic. The logic for me is the weight of the car, which I rank higher than range. After owning 4 years and driven more than 65tkm absolutely no issue with the range, but that is surely based on each personal needs. With long trips I enjoy some stops every 200-300km no issue. Great car and drive with smile every day!
Thanks Edmunds for this informed teaser video. You folks are smart and a 106 kW battery would be a fantastic enhancement, as would the ability to get over 300 miles real range (except of course during cold weather). We look forward to its actual reveal and your then official version next video. Reveal on Feb 7th as rumored?
This and the Rivian - the only car I'd buy over Tesla. Gorgeous car.
55 miles/h…range test…you kidding!
Now we know. Funny to see this video from two months ago before they unveiled the specs.
That is an *insane* charging speed. This is what we need in more EVs, faster charging. We don't need range optimized batteries, we need power (both in and out)
3:53 a little addition: Even if you turn regenerative braking to "Off", it'll still recuperate if you tap the brake pedal. So yes, it's definitely the most efficient option.
Yes this should be default
February 7th we will know more...some little birdy told me
Nice! The power of premium legacy manufacturers. Hyundai/Kia, BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Audi built the best EVs by far. Even Stellantis with their new STLA large platform and GM with their EV trucks (soon a Chevy Bolt refresh!) seems to keep up decently. Renault will reveal their sub €25k EV in just 3 weeks. With the larger 54kWh battery, which will cost 29k tho, it might achieve 400km WLTP/250miles of range.
That’s impressive. Still 100 miles short of my Lucid Air GT, but it charges faster than the Lucid charging curve. The interesting problem is charging that fast only matters if you’re on a timed road test. Lately since EA has been improving I’ve found I didn’t even have time to eat or take my kid through the WalMart toy section before I had to move the car to avoid idle fees.
Like the refreshed front lights, always thought the current Toucan's lights are a bit ugly.
crazy performance. The queen of EVs
Can you do 80 mph (130 km/h) range test with battery going from 100 % to 1 %?
thats fast charging! ofcourse it has to be optimal weather, battery temp preconditioning and a working station has to come together.
I think that's the big step to EVs is to have faster charging speed. I'm fortunate to own an EV6 that I sometimes get 236kwh on a good day without have to spend $120k car like Porsche.
Just bought myself one over Portugal, the dealership said it should arrive anywhere between May and June, looking forward to the facelift and range ❤
Which public sector agency/bureau do you work for?
Best looking EV inside and out. By a mile. Its basically what EV owners want if they werent broke. 💔
$40 for only 83% of charge?? Hell Nah!!!! This is just another reason why ICE cars are still better.
Here's hoping this improved battery technology will also filter down to Audis and Volkswagens in the near future.
Any decent EV on the road today will get a great range at an average of 55mph. Is Porsche forcing all test drives to be at such a low speed to inflate range numbers?
Show us the consumption numbers at 75mph.
I like this one very much I definitely should own one in the coming years😢
Wow very speedy car wouldnt mind drinving it one day looks classy
100 / 32.3 = 3.01 miles per kwh WITHOUT REGEN
Considering that it DOESN'T UTILISE ANY REGEN this is impressive, imagine what will happen if you regen to the max and make advantage of those down slopes. The efficiency level would be off the chart.... maybe above 4 or even 5 miles per kwh. That's insane.
Yes but what about consumption/range in winter? Year round usage would be interesting given this would be a daily driver?
What tyres are actually on that? The cutaways showed both Michelin and Hanook ones.
Imagine when they start to implement their QuantumScape batteries... Oh boy. This will be what converts me to EVs
Thanks for the video, I can see that the Porsche Taycan has advanced a lot technically.
Looks great! Would love to test drive it
$40 to charge it up to 80%? dang...
Plug and play, who would have foreseen this 😮
I have to admit that the car is beautiful. And though I’m not ready to take the plunge into an EV, this and the Macan give me pause.
should i go for the porsche macan gts or the gle 56 coupe???
Wait, wasn't Out of Spec told the opposite about regen on their test? It may differ from route to route, and jsut getting further is different than the most efficient way to average a given travle speed.
the question isn't how far will it go, it's how far and fast will it depreciate lol
Sure hope they get rid of the two tier battery sizes. Just use one battery per model!
For today’s standard, the charging speed is really good, but I wish they would be successful to have 800V battery architecture and achieve 10% to 80% in ~15mn while still keeping high battery life cycles (3000+), and that this kind of tech is widely available on all EVs as 15mn would take ~10mn extra compared to refilling an ICE (5mn) (CATL Shenxing battery pack seems to have some nice performance metrics in that regards). Also need to have Vehicule-to-Home (V2H) and Vehicule-to-Load (V2L) as standard features on all EVs. All this would mitigate the downsides of EVs compared to an ICE, and make it more manageable which help convincing non EV enthusiast).
This is a CATL battery I think
❤❤BMW is doing it for me🎉🎉
The charging speed is very impressive. I'm a huge fan of EV's, not that convinced of the climate hoax, I just love how they drive. I have a '22 Model 3P and it's a great car to drive and own, nothing on a Taycan of course, but it's plenty quick and comfortable with decent space. The German's always underrate their cars, I don't have any issue with that at all...better to under-promise and over-deliver as far as I'm concerned. However, the focus on charging speed, while it does close the convenience gap between EV and ICE, is going to create issues down the road. Batteries don't like to be charged that fast and it decreases lifespan. Not a knock on Porsche or any of the automakers for that matter - they are simply giving consumers what they want. But I am concerned it will lead to heaps of bad batteries in 8-10 yrs time, maybe earlier. I'm also glad to have an ICE car to take on longer trips, I honestly don't want to stop and charge when I'm driving more than 200 miles...I just want to gas up and go, especially when it's late and all I can think about is getting home and back in my own bed :) Even a 15-20 min charge is still 3-4 times longer than a fuel stop, although you do have the luxury of sitting in the car watching Netflix or taking a nap while it charges. So dunno, maybe I'm looking at it all wrong but having just returned from a 240 mile one way weekend trip I was glad we took our F150 and not the Tesla, which we were going to but changed our minds last minute because we had to be at our destination by a certain time and charging would have added too much time to the drive.
Two speed transmission is not for efficiency but rather high speed acceleration
It is kinda for both, efficiency and better high speed capabilities. You can engineer the electric motor to have peak efficiency at lower rpm and power output figures if there is a transmission with a second gear to help out at higher speeds.
The upcoming Mercedes-Benz CLA will also have a two speed transmission and the base/normal version is projected to "only" put out around 175kW, so it's focused on efficiency while still having enough power.
Pls the people at Porsche how come I can’t get a sunroof that open up
Because data shows most people don't open their sunroofs.
This very obvious and simple this is getting the new macan battery pack
And same motors
It surely isn't, it's a different platform. It might get the same technology, but not the same pack. The Macan has 95 kWh usable, this must have over 100 kWh.
@@RacingDuck Can not believer there is any difference...assume both have 106kwh and 95kwh usuable.
Since Macan is a brick...it has lower range, than a perfect shaped car.
How far can this engine last against bmw
Haha, 55mph average speed? That's not a range test! EVs exponentially lose their range at speeds above that! 80mph and your results will be COMPLETELY different.
It was an average speed, meaning they were driving at 80 mph for some of the distance... just like in the real world, there are times when your speed will drop due to traffic or you need to get off at an exit to use the restroom, lowering your average speed.
Unshakeable monster
this car is nice but the price is insane for what one is getting vs competition. Macan EV is also nice but also way overpriced.
This the best
The front end of that Macan is a chunky mess.
Looks like all the Germans are doing great at the charger! Again peak charging rates are great but what is truly important when you are on a road trip and are charging to 80% or above is the ave rate. State if the art is 150 Kw plus.
Well you got over 250 kW average here. So, your state of the art just got upped a little.
Hopefully the refreshed Taycan has proper amber rear turn signals on USDM cars instead if the current one's watered-down and unacceptable all-red things with brake/turn signal combination lamps.
hiya!~ Thanks- insan shots!
CHY NA WILL COPY THIS
I don't get why would you pay more, go less miles, slower than Tesla model S, just for Porsche badge badge?
@@gridrunner1319 Hilarious. For 40K additional price, it should give 600 mile.
LOL, because a Telsa's interior is a joke!
@@Scorpio1075 Taycan interior is dated! old school. Same stuff they have been selling since 50 yrs.
55mph is the best case scenario. . . Most interstates are 70……
It was an average speed, not a constant speed. SMH
Between BMW and Porsche... Wil go for Porsche...
Between bmw and Trabant… Will go for Trabant.
A highway range test at 55 MPH? what useless data...
Who driving at 55 mph I drive about at 70-75 I never get that range I’m in the real world
Another one... it was an average speed, not a constant speed of 55 mph. If you didn't understand that you probably can't afford it anyways.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche and audi have done an amazing job with new ppe platform which we see in this taycan and new macan ev,PPE has new e motors,battery pack with 23 percent more energy in pack level,new gear box,new inverter,this refresh taycan will have entirely new drive train with super high torque e drive units and 23 percent lighter drive units at the same time,if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
>> CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year
Porshe always understates and over delivers (-cayenne)😂
tesla is such a laggard. pushing all demand levers to stimulate falling sales. stock is crashing
So why make the video lol
Afternoon
Pro tip: Never buy a base model Porsche. 4S and higher trims or bust. Surprised the heck outa me after driving both that the Taycan 4S/Porsche 4 wheel drive system handles better than even the legendary Audi Quattro system in the rain and snow. No problem driving this car fast as fk in the rain and snow with peace of mind.
Electric car is new error now so I have get me 1
Stupid test 🙈 who drives 60 mph in a California freeways where the speed limite is 65 🫣 Heck even at 65 mph no one drives that slow 😂😂💩💩.
Not far enough.
A typical excuse...how long should be the range?...1000-2000 km?
The tests von Björn in Norway over 1000km are showing that the best EVs are only 15mins slower than the reference drive using an ICE...the Infrastructure is brilliant in Norway, which makes this happen.
The first EV, which reached the same time like an ICE, was a NIO with battery swap...again, if there is the needed infrastructure, which will take some time, there is no excuse to drive an ICE anymore.
Tesla patiently waiting to see Porsche's hand before completely destroying it's new range and charging speed. Tesla always seems like they're just one step ahead.
That and adding the imminent 4th motor > Porsche's 3....😂
If so, all good for consumers 👍
Lol probably just a software update too
A delusional Tesla fanboy, tragic but funny...
Teslas are super outdated inside and out.
There is no way there will be major improvements coming soon as their own charging network is outdated, too, and could not even provide higher charging speeds. They will start to replace their outdated and slow chargers first before any big change.
Additionally, their 4680 cells are trash as well, so they would continue to rely on external suppliers for othery better, batteries and that is something they really would want to avoid. Model 3 has not seen any big improvement and Model Y won't either. The Model S would be the first of the main lineup to get those upgrades, like switching to 800V, but it actually does not make much sense as the competition is already far ahead in the luxury segment and Tesla sells negligible amounts of those high cost EVs. For the Cybertruck they tried to make it work but failed, the truck is worse than the comprtition. Tesla is limited in its capabilities for the mentioned reasons above.
Tesla is a economy car manufacturer, nothing high-tech or cool about them. And customer actually know this now. And that is okay. Just don't be a fanboy out of touch with reality
@@BBingo-v5i a delusional Tesla hater that doesn’t even have his facts right ^^^^^^^
@bullshitbingo2259
I'm a fan of all automobiles, ice, hybrids, and bevs. Tesla's history has shown this pattern. The Model S P100D was the fastest EV, until the Taycan was introduced, and then Tesla added another motor in the Model S Plaid, and annihilated the Taycan Turbo S at least in straight line acceleration. Now with the available track pkg, the Model S Plaid isn't the same one trick pony. It's going to be interesting.
Another verbose video on RUclips. 😑
So this is nothing more than a Taycan ad
If by Taycan ad, you mean showcasing a huge leap forward in EV technology with range, efficiency, and charging speeds beyond anything any other company has, then yes. It’s a Taycan ad.
Recharge $40 for 260miles in 20 minutes still not a match with my Cayenne base $80 for 600miles in 5 min
That’s on a road trip… no one does 300 miles every day. For normal commuting, the owner of this car would have a garage. So home electric rates it is probably about $5 for 260 miles and the charging time is zero.. because it chargers while you in are bed and you leave the house the next day on 100%.
Tesla is the best car company ever no maintenance no gas stations no oil changes no smog check no corrupt dealerships no lying salesman.
55 mph test. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Get out of here this is stupid.
Haha exactly what made me laugh. Doing a 55mph test basically made this entire video pointless.
@@jwltiger3357yep. It reinforces how poor these EVs will do on a 75mph run here in Texas and other target markets.
Lol you guys are dumb, the Edmunds range test is tested with lower average speeds. In the Edmunds test it would hit 350+miles and surpass Tesla Model S Plaid.
The pure highway range at 70mph is easily 310miles+. The charging speed is insanely fast 6-83% in 21min. 10-80% should be 18 min and under.
If you combine that with the information that a Taycan facelift just obliterated the Model S Plaid Track Package on the Nordschleife you can sum up that it will be one of the fastest EVs in driving performance and charging performance. For a performance EVs it has awesome everyday driving range and the interior, just like all Porsche, will be nice, too.
You propably have the best performance to cost EV on the market here. And this video helped to build this point
Seems fairly reasonable to me how the did it. A 6 hour round trip of 326 miles. Obviously average speeds will be reduced whenever slowing or stopping but I think that amount of mileage covered in the time is fairly representative of what a large chunk of people will do.
@@ALMX5DPwhere is the 55mph speed limit for that distance. We want real world not a “let’s make EV range test look good” range test and then praise 326 miles like it’s a moonshot.
was considering buying one of these but the whole supercharger network thing killed it...
maybe next time.😁 Back to Tesla...
What are you talking about? I am a Tesla owner myself and I can't wait to dump my POS car and either get a Tycan or a Macan..The superchargers are now available for all cars (except Stellantid hasn't announced their switch) so Tesla is bound to be kicked in their nuts.. because why would anybody buy the worst car on the market with the most antiquated tech if they can simply use the supercharger network too and have a superior car? There simply is no reason to own a Tesla anymore starting 2025.
BTW I have FSD and yes I am bitter that this fraudulent company cheated me out of my 7k and sold me something that will never ever work.
@@Zmap6191 I have to agree here. I have a Model 3 and after 15 service appointments in 2.5 years (number 16 is on the way...), I'm so done with Tesla and their shitty costumer service.
Wow what?! 203 EPA range for the 2020 4s and you got ~323? Very nice!
Beautiful car I love the colour it looks amazing🔥🔥
Very nice! I like the fact that it’s electric!
The face light looks like the Tesla model 3 highlands older brother, that’s not a compliment. I’ll be getting the pre-facelift GTS
Terrible car,. After 12 months , depriciat 50% , worst ev on the mzrket