Civil engineer here, this test is wrong because there are no stirrups . The concrete fails from sheer stress before the rebar starts to have effect. This is not how we do this test.
@@ChristianWagner888 He could have used steel stirrups in the both the fibre glass and steel-reinforced samples, to test the difference in bending strength due to the material used for reinforcement.
The big benefit of fiber rebar is that it does not rust. Modern structures of concrete fail often because of the metal reinforcement oxidation. The rebar rusts and changes shape and size, the concrete often is defeated from the inside. Structures could possibly last centuries instead of decades because of a small change in materials.
@@juanmatus5708 - That's not accurate. Most FRP rebar has a coating to resist high-pH (anyone spec'ing FRP would assure this) and the lifetime of FRP rebar with pH-degradation would be similar to steel in a best-case environment, while obviously much more resilient in a corrosive environment.
@@williamnunez9609 - Thank you. As with all reinforcing bar, ideally you want to have it shipped and use it in the maximum possible length for economy. Every time you have a cut/seam, it requires substantial overlap, plus the small bit of labor which adds-up as well. When it was suggested that FRP corrodes, that is not an issue to be concerned with, regarding cutting. The simplest way to think about it is to check what environment you're using the rebar in, then confirm the resins used and whether there is any issue. I don't know of any reputable FRP rebar resellers who are selling FRP rebar where there would be an issue; however, it cannot hurt to double-check. BTW - I spec a lot of coastal work in Florida; you wouldn't happen to work there, would you?
It seems like the fiberglass reinforced concrete failed earlier than the steel reinforced concrete at least partly because the fiberglass bars didn't bond as well with the concrete. Although the fiberglass bar alone was brittle and not ductile, those characteristics didn't seem as big a factor in it's failure mode. It seemed rather that the concrete spalled away much worse with the fiberglass than with the steel. Thank you for the informative video.
Ahí sin duda las varillas de fibra de vidrio arrasan frente a la varilla de acero. Obviously the GFRP doesn't suffer corrosion, so the result could be even better for the GFRP concrete against de steel reinforced one.
I've never seen fiberglass reinforcement like this. Usually fiberglass reinforcement in concrete is in the form of chopped strands mixed throughout the concrete. I'd be curious as to their impact on the strength
The concrete by itself can produce silicosis in the long term, adding chopped glass fiber is thge same, but in a gfrp the glass fiber goes incapsulated by a polymer. El propio hormigón contiene arena de sílice y el polvo que produce puede generar silicosis a largo plazo, añadir fibra de vidrio cortada no lo empeora mucho más, ahora bien, con las varillas corrugadas de fibra de vidrio no hay ese problema ya que van encapsuladas en un polímero, eso sí, al cortarlas desprenden polvo tóxico por inhalación.
The chopped AR fiber glass in concrete is mainly used for flooring. El hormigón reforzado con fibra de vidrio cortada del tipo Álcali Resistente se usa mayoritariamente para soleras, no para forjados, vigas o pilares, los cuales suelen ir armados.
I see most of the coments comparing steel, concrete and fiber implementations in construction mostly. Yea theres oxidation and etc. But fiber is more efficient in modern techn regarding windmilss and such. Lighter, easier to shape and mold. It takes good procces of mixing,wraping,heating,drawing out air from the structure and such but it makes it much more efficient and less expensive for making and repairing. Its modern day eras material that industries use to pervent old ways and long ways of making em. Fiber is the best for coating for everyindustry besides constructing buildings acording to me despite they use it for some specific type buildings which are rare and not designated to be for living of people.
Could you try placing the reinforcing stirrups in the steel and the polymer? Should it result in greater resistance in both cases? I will be attentive to your comments, thanks
Try putting both to a temperature test for expansion, then humidity, then both temperature and humidity, then both with stress. Leave each in a salt bath for a month too.
Yeah... and here I'm sitting in a house built in 1956 using A0 steel rebars - unless they had insufficient concrete cover all those bars suffered very little corrosion and surface only. It's very different in things like bridges or foundations - where there's plenty of water during the lifetime. And yet there are bridges made by nazis (up to 1945) with little to no degradation of rebars. And same goes to bunkers etc. As with everything - it depends. It depends how fast pH of concrete will drop below ~10.8, it depends how often water would penetrate concrete, it depends how much chlorium will sink into a concrete etc. etc.
Very good behavior of the GFRP rebar reinforced concrete, even better of what I was expecting for... Muy buen comportamiento del hormigón reforzado con varillas de PRFV, mejor de lo que me esperaba.
You dont get the full benefit of fibre glass reinforcement when you bunch it up like that in a rod. You should finely chop up and mix the individual strands with the concrete, to provide bonding strength between the concrete and fibre glass.
I live in the Dominican Republic. Retired American. No experience in construction. I live about 2 mi from the Caribbean. Presumably there is some salt content in the air here. I see a lot of failed concrete around with rusted swelled rebar literally blowing the concrete apart. I am fascinated with the idea of replacing iron rebar with fiber reinforcing in some applications. The best roofs around are flat poured concrete with rebar. This can also be the flloor of a second story, etc. A lot of labor goes into building the plywood forms and supporting the forms with beams and a forest of posts underneath. I have a yearning to build a very different kind of roof. I imagine a roof poured in strips in the form of a downward-arching catenary shape. I understand that a catenary puts the shape under pure tension. There would need to be some kind of sling (a sort of hammock) to support the cement while setting. When set, the catenary shape would be flipped over (arch upwards) which should put the material under pure compression. I'm imagining eliminating the iron and just using fiber. Multiple abutting strips would form the roof. No good for second floor, but a pleasant arched ceiling indoors. Does anything make sense here? Does anyone want to talk about this? Peter. prx555 at gmail
Great comparison. But, like others have said, maybe less or smaller crushed gravel. I've been using pink bar recently, 7 ft. basement cinder block wall repairs. Wear gloves, they do have splinters, ouch. Might use rebar again, $1 more for fiberglass 10 ft. but for 7 - 8 ft. walls, rebar might be overkill.
Steel is used in the main support members and fiber can only be used for non critical structure like flooring the reason is steel is stronger and also more flexible than fiberglass.
Call me old fashioned but I miss the mentality of building things to last generations. Iron reinforcement in concrete seems to me like a short term fix, like lead water pipes or asbestos ceilings, just not the right material to be using for the job.
If you would have used the same weight in glass fiber bars as what the steel weighs and did the test that way you would get better result,pound for pound type thing
do you know how to conduct tests for real ? The strength for steel here is ultimate as shown by you but it becomes useless at soon as it reaches the yield strength. you know plastic and elastic deformation ? the yield strength of GFRP is much higher than steel but you are considering the failure strength here.
My guess is that steel rebar is better anchored in the concrete than the fiberglass, since no rebar was broken. Ofcourse, since no stirrups were used, the ultimate limit state was achieved by shear force, not the moment, and therefore rebar didnt reach the maximum tensile force. Still, a good test for youtube :)
Are you smoking man? Did you seriously say that and mean it? You're telling me something that is less than half the weight of the steel is only marginally weaker because the weight wasn't taken into account in the amount of material used. If he used the number of bars of fiber glass that would weigh the same as the steel it wouldn't budge.
Yet America waits on Chinese steel. I remember when America had a backbone of industrial might, sadly its cheaper to pay someone overseas rather than paying a fallow countryman a living wage. Its not about being fair it's about the freedom to do business Reagan reckoned, how's that going? Dont hate educate.
I agree with you 100%. That looked like they used 3 inch crushed stone. Should have used no bigger than 3/4 inch. 33% sand, 33% 3/4 inch crushed stone and either a 60-80 lbs bag of cement. And properly mixed, felt like it wasn't even mixed right either.
If concrete was truly this weak then it wouldn't be the second most used substance in the world. These videos are incredibly misleading and you'd be hard pressed to find a better substitute for concrete in our world.
I really hope you're right about that because thousands of concrete buildings have people who work or live in it. Also concrete houses are cheaper in my country and I am interested to buy one but I read some very alarming things about concrete that I hesitate a lot.
I wonder if hair would be a beneficial additive. I believe this was done with plaster in the past. They also have coated rebar that resists corrosion. I'd like to try a combination of the hair and coated rebar for a test.
If concrete, like say papercrete, is made using hydraulic or mechanical pressing, then of course it will get used to being pressed again, even after curing.
Civil engineer here, this test is wrong because there are no stirrups . The concrete fails from sheer stress before the rebar starts to have effect. This is not how we do this test.
Good point! Are fiberglass stirrups available?
@@ChristianWagner888In Germany WE already had some projects with Fiber Glass stirrups, but Not many. So it isn't really mainstream Up to now.
@@ChristianWagner888 He could have used steel stirrups in the both the fibre glass and steel-reinforced samples, to test the difference in bending strength due to the material used for reinforcement.
Do you know of a better demo / explanation of the pros and cons of rebar?
Wouldn’t this test be a good indicator for use in driveways?
I bet a lot of work went into this video, more than usual. Thank you.
The big benefit of fiber rebar is that it does not rust. Modern structures of concrete fail often because of the metal reinforcement oxidation. The rebar rusts and changes shape and size, the concrete often is defeated from the inside. Structures could possibly last centuries instead of decades because of a small change in materials.
BS. Fiber rebars decompose in concrete due to alkaline
@@juanmatus5708 alkaline didnt decompose my gfrp.
@@juanmatus5708 - That's not accurate. Most FRP rebar has a coating to resist high-pH (anyone spec'ing FRP would assure this) and the lifetime of FRP rebar with pH-degradation would be similar to steel in a best-case environment, while obviously much more resilient in a corrosive environment.
@@InspiredScience You basically just let me know to not cut the FRP rebar, being that most people do because of size of project.
@@williamnunez9609 - Thank you. As with all reinforcing bar, ideally you want to have it shipped and use it in the maximum possible length for economy.
Every time you have a cut/seam, it requires substantial overlap, plus the small bit of labor which adds-up as well.
When it was suggested that FRP corrodes, that is not an issue to be concerned with, regarding cutting.
The simplest way to think about it is to check what environment you're using the rebar in, then confirm the resins used and whether there is any issue.
I don't know of any reputable FRP rebar resellers who are selling FRP rebar where there would be an issue; however, it cannot hurt to double-check.
BTW - I spec a lot of coastal work in Florida; you wouldn't happen to work there, would you?
Large stones in a small space gives it
less strength.
It seems like the fiberglass reinforced concrete failed earlier than the steel reinforced concrete at least partly because the fiberglass bars didn't bond as well with the concrete. Although the fiberglass bar alone was brittle and not ductile, those characteristics didn't seem as big a factor in it's failure mode. It seemed rather that the concrete spalled away much worse with the fiberglass than with the steel. Thank you for the informative video.
I wonder what the strength difference would be if you subject them to salt water spray for 5 minutes every hour for a year.
Ahí sin duda las varillas de fibra de vidrio arrasan frente a la varilla de acero. Obviously the GFRP doesn't suffer corrosion, so the result could be even better for the GFRP concrete against de steel reinforced one.
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Like a moth to a flame...here I am watching another one of these videos 😂
More fiber glass is needed because the rebar is heavy. Maybe 1:2 ratio
I've never seen fiberglass reinforcement like this. Usually fiberglass reinforcement in concrete is in the form of chopped strands mixed throughout the concrete. I'd be curious as to their impact on the strength
Home depot sells it now. I'd stick with steel.
Can concrete with fiber glass potentially be hazardous for your health? When inhaling the dust?
@@lem8304 Cement by itself is already harmful to your health when inhaling the dust. Adding the fiberglass won't really make it much worse.
The concrete by itself can produce silicosis in the long term, adding chopped glass fiber is thge same, but in a gfrp the glass fiber goes incapsulated by a polymer. El propio hormigón contiene arena de sílice y el polvo que produce puede generar silicosis a largo plazo, añadir fibra de vidrio cortada no lo empeora mucho más, ahora bien, con las varillas corrugadas de fibra de vidrio no hay ese problema ya que van encapsuladas en un polímero, eso sí, al cortarlas desprenden polvo tóxico por inhalación.
The chopped AR fiber glass in concrete is mainly used for flooring. El hormigón reforzado con fibra de vidrio cortada del tipo Álcali Resistente se usa mayoritariamente para soleras, no para forjados, vigas o pilares, los cuales suelen ir armados.
Steel rods with a cover of fiberglass straw🤔 to keep rustfree from at least outer surface.... basically a fiberglass coated steel rods...
I see most of the coments comparing steel, concrete and fiber implementations in construction mostly. Yea theres oxidation and etc. But fiber is more efficient in modern techn regarding windmilss and such. Lighter, easier to shape and mold. It takes good procces of mixing,wraping,heating,drawing out air from the structure and such but it makes it much more efficient and less expensive for making and repairing. Its modern day eras material that industries use to pervent old ways and long ways of making em. Fiber is the best for coating for everyindustry besides constructing buildings acording to me despite they use it for some specific type buildings which are rare and not designated to be for living of people.
Can build a new home for frp
can you do fibreglass mesh strands and steel rebar then steel strands and steel rebar ?
Could you try placing the reinforcing stirrups in the steel and the polymer? Should it result in greater resistance in both cases?
I will be attentive to your comments, thanks
it would be good to see a micro fiber concrete too
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We Cant Believe On Plastic , If We Build House
This is fine for a home ‘test’/ fun, but bears no absolute resemblance to a real structural test.
Try putting both to a temperature test for expansion, then humidity, then both temperature and humidity, then both with stress. Leave each in a salt bath for a month too.
Sempre tive curiosidade de saber se uma coluna de concreto era realmente resistente
Teste muito bom e satisfatório.
If your primary requirement is strength for a short time (say
Yeah... and here I'm sitting in a house built in 1956 using A0 steel rebars - unless they had insufficient concrete cover all those bars suffered very little corrosion and surface only. It's very different in things like bridges or foundations - where there's plenty of water during the lifetime. And yet there are bridges made by nazis (up to 1945) with little to no degradation of rebars. And same goes to bunkers etc. As with everything - it depends. It depends how fast pH of concrete will drop below ~10.8, it depends how often water would penetrate concrete, it depends how much chlorium will sink into a concrete etc. etc.
Depends on the quality of rebar
Wayy to much stone in that mix
Very good behavior of the GFRP rebar reinforced concrete, even better of what I was expecting for...
Muy buen comportamiento del hormigón reforzado con varillas de PRFV, mejor de lo que me esperaba.
Looked like way too much rock in the mix. How about a video with a proper mix with Helix steel for additional reinforcement
any body who understands engineering and design can make a fiberglass pillar stronger than steel.
You dont get the full benefit of fibre glass reinforcement when you bunch it up like that in a rod. You should finely chop up and mix the individual strands with the concrete, to provide bonding strength between the concrete and fibre glass.
I live in the Dominican Republic. Retired American. No experience in construction. I live about 2 mi from the Caribbean. Presumably there is some salt content in the air here. I see a lot of failed concrete around with rusted swelled rebar literally blowing the concrete apart.
I am fascinated with the idea of replacing iron rebar with fiber reinforcing in some applications.
The best roofs around are flat poured concrete with rebar. This can also be the flloor of a second story, etc. A lot of labor goes into building the plywood forms and supporting the forms with beams and a forest of posts underneath.
I have a yearning to build a very different kind of roof. I imagine a roof poured in strips in the form of a downward-arching catenary shape. I understand that a catenary puts the shape under pure tension. There would need to be some kind of sling (a sort of hammock) to support the cement while setting.
When set, the catenary shape would be flipped over (arch upwards) which should put the material under pure compression. I'm imagining eliminating the iron and just using fiber. Multiple abutting strips would form the roof. No good for second floor, but a pleasant arched ceiling indoors.
Does anything make sense here? Does anyone want to talk about this? Peter. prx555 at gmail
How about steel rebar and added glass fiber for reinforcement?
⬇️The count of people who finds enjoying this type of videos⬇️
Once you put both the iron rods and the fiber in the fire, make a video and show it.
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Noting that the fiberglass did not shatter or splinter when encased in concrete.
carbon Fiber Rebars and its Slabs made with Concrete shd also be tested to tell weather it can compete with steel or not.
Great comparison. But, like others have said, maybe less or smaller crushed gravel. I've been using pink bar recently, 7 ft. basement cinder block wall repairs. Wear gloves, they do have splinters, ouch. Might use rebar again, $1 more for fiberglass 10 ft. but for 7 - 8 ft. walls, rebar might be overkill.
How does pinkbar compare to steel? Pouring a slab in 2 days
It's not an accurate test because the concrete with steel reinforcement failed in concrete shear before the steel failed.
Like why the heck would you perform a test that is no representative of real life construction methods
Interesting that the FRP didn't shear, but the concrete-FRP bond failed.
Let´s calculate how much should it resist then crush it and than compare it to the expectation! It should have been much more fun.
Can I use your video clips for my shorts video 🇮🇳❤️
Stainless steel or zinc coated galvanized steel is better option, in steel plants rustproof chemicals should add while melting
Steel is used in the main support members and fiber can only be used for non critical structure like flooring the reason is steel is stronger and also more flexible than fiberglass.
Thank you, it was well made test and very interesting! :)
when earth quick comes , steel service due to flaxibilty but fiber down in in single shot . so care full dont go with advartised
Good
Bhai ase or bhi test kro good
Call me old fashioned but I miss the mentality of building things to last generations.
Iron reinforcement in concrete seems to me like a short term fix, like lead water pipes or asbestos ceilings, just not the right material to be using for the job.
The video was sensational.
Can u make another video using both materials in one Concrete and test it. I bit the results will surprise u 👍🏻
If you would have used the same weight in glass fiber bars as what the steel weighs and did the test that way you would get better result,pound for pound type thing
exactly, GFRP has low midulus of elasticity hence it requires more surface area
For simply supported beam, why you are using top bars
Concreto com fibra já tinha rachado muito muito antes dele considerar como a quebra.
You need bigger rock, smaller mixing container, smaller point load (or just the opposite for testing purposes) Just saying...
stirrups please in both cases.
one fiber breacks tis waste but steel can be use again right
Stirrups?
उज्जैन में मिल जाएगा क्या रतलाम में मिल जाएगाक्या
Whatever it is,steel is much more safer and worth reliable.
Why not just use an actual concrete mix instead of making your own with those giant rocks?
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Nice video but annoying loud music
concrete + fibreglass started hairline crack at more than 900+
Nobody mixes concrete in a bucket. If you can't afford a barrel mixer, at least mix it in a wheelbarrow.
Agar jalaya jaaye to fiber turant jal sakta hai bhai
still is steel is steel i will go with steel becuase one fiber brack it cant pe joint but steel can be joint
개인적으로 돌을 강가에 있는 타원형 돌을 사용했다면 강도다 더 올라갈것으로 생각됩니다. 모래또한 마찰을 주어 모난 부분을 제거 해준다면 강도가 더 올라갈것 같습니다.
Interesting point
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Very good
Am i the only one who's only now noticing that he's wearing a jacket from the German military
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Yea good
If you press them like a beam, the bars must be the bottom of concrete
try with carbonfiber rebar bro
Can you try this with MST bar?
Can anyone tell me the load taken by steel concrete and frp concrete to collapse?
do you know how to conduct tests for real ? The strength for steel here is ultimate as shown by you but it becomes useless at soon as it reaches the yield strength. you know plastic and elastic deformation ? the yield strength of GFRP is much higher than steel but you are considering the failure strength here.
Качество композитной арматуры зависит от применяемых материаллов и квалификации производителя.
Where we get this?
Dono me ring nahi Hai to majbooti kaishe ayega backwash video
I DON'T GET IT, GFRP SHOULD RESICTE MORE THAN STEEL,? CAN SOMENO EXPLAIN IT ?
My guess is that steel rebar is better anchored in the concrete than the fiberglass, since no rebar was broken. Ofcourse, since no stirrups were used, the ultimate limit state was achieved by shear force, not the moment, and therefore rebar didnt reach the maximum tensile force. Still, a good test for youtube :)
Just proves older cars are better than new ones, yet again.
Are you smoking man? Did you seriously say that and mean it? You're telling me something that is less than half the weight of the steel is only marginally weaker because the weight wasn't taken into account in the amount of material used. If he used the number of bars of fiber glass that would weigh the same as the steel it wouldn't budge.
what was the size of the concrete
About 350
Нужно было добавить стекловолокно в виде коротких волокон в раствор, чтобы волокна распределились по всему объёму. Арматуру тоже нужно оставить.
After bending glass lost every thing needed it is fragile useless, Hard plastic pipes containing greased steel bars are permanent solution
China learning how to reinforce their concrete be like. Plastic is good enough 👍
Yet America waits on Chinese steel.
I remember when America had a backbone of industrial might, sadly its cheaper to pay someone overseas rather than paying a fallow countryman a living wage.
Its not about being fair it's about the freedom to do business Reagan reckoned, how's that going?
Dont hate educate.
Bad concrete mix.
I agree with you 100%. That looked like they used 3 inch crushed stone. Should have used no bigger than 3/4 inch. 33% sand, 33% 3/4 inch crushed stone and either a 60-80 lbs bag of cement. And properly mixed, felt like it wasn't even mixed right either.
This the truth😂😂😂
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If concrete was truly this weak then it wouldn't be the second most used substance in the world. These videos are incredibly misleading and you'd be hard pressed to find a better substitute for concrete in our world.
I really hope you're right about that because thousands of concrete buildings have people who work or live in it. Also concrete houses are cheaper in my country and I am interested to buy one but I read some very alarming things about concrete that I hesitate a lot.
Steel is best don't trust on fiber glass
WAY too much aggregate (stone) in that mix for a fair test of anything strength related, even a comparison test.
Unreliable test, fatal concrete... Actually, it's not concrete, but a cake.
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I wonder if hair would be a beneficial additive. I believe this was done with plaster in the past. They also have coated rebar that resists corrosion. I'd like to try a combination of the hair and coated rebar for a test.
Coated rebar bad
Horse hair and lime in plaster or something like that
Pretty sure hair and other fiber is for resisting cracking when portland cement is not involved
shouldn't the mixture be 50/50?!! that was more like 66/33 sand to cement
If concrete, like say papercrete, is made using hydraulic or mechanical pressing, then of course it will get used to being pressed again, even after curing.
The bars are not pretensioned? Contrete works best under compression. I'm not sure this is an accurate test of how concrete would actually be used.
But... isn't rebar for tension, not compression strength?
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