Kit seen/used in this video The hat - homemade :) Sealskinz Waterproof Gloves - amzn.to/3XH19hN Agug Snorkel Vest - amzn.to/3WIKTva Aqua Marina Cascade Kayak - amzn.to/3kRd0Lm Atacama Drysuit - www.wetsuitoutlet.co.uk/2023-crewsaver-atacama-sport-drysuit-free-undersuit-6555-red-black-p-22619.html Other kayaking accessories I like can be found here - www.amazon.co.uk/shop/morethanjustacleaner/list/37P7M2N3DS6HJ Other products I like on Amazon can be found here - www.amazon.co.uk/shop/morethanjustacleaner
10 out of 10 for the video. I would have made the same decision, unexpectedly big waves, several swims, difficulty getting into the boat, lost pump, broken skeg. You made the right decision.
Karl, you made the right decision, if it doesn’t feel right don’t do it, there’s always another day. Water temp is low and your on your own, much safer to have a buddy with you on the sea. I’ve never used an IF like that but I think one with higher sides would be better as it wouldn’t get swamped so easily, maybe not the Storey though. I’ll tell you my tale of loosing it when we finally get to meet up👍
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner Hi Karl, it’s in my diary, hopefully I’ll make it for at least a night hopefully two. It’s really appreciated all you do in getting everyone together, I read the chat daily, would be great if you make it over towards the N West at some point.👍
I think you did the right thing. You wasnt being a wuss, you made a calculated assessment of the risk and made a decision based on that. It is good to see when things go wrong because it helps others to learn. The waves didn't look that big but it showed just how powerful they can be. Thanks for sharing.
Karen, I think you've nailed what I found most frustrating... The sea really wasn't that rough! However because the waves were forming quite a way out, it made it awkward getting in the craft. Combine that with me not having set it up to take the conditions into account, and there we have it 😏 In all 3 of the sea outings I've done I've always assessed the tide and wind conditions - this one added other factors to take into account 👍😊
Well that was interesting and definitely worth watching. Good to see how things can easily go wrong, and how quickly disaster can strike. I’m definitely concerned about the sturdiness of the skeg and seeing how yours has snapped makes me even more concerned. Thank you for all your videos 😘
The sea is such an unpredictable beast. Considering all rescue situations involve people over estimating their ability and under estimating the conditions, I follow 2 exact opposite concepts as rules - 1 - under estimate your ability 2 - over estimate the severity of the conditions 👍😁
Yet another brilliant video Karl and couldn't agree with you more about showing how things could go wrong instead of using clever editing, we look forward each week to learn something new from you mate. And like you showing everyone me falling in I'm going to show this to everyone I know 😇😇😇 Love ya man!
From experience I can tell you you did the right thing. I use my wavesport scooter on the sea when on holiday. Going out is the easy bit coming back through the surf is the hardest. Had an early bath no end of times going over. Best part is the kayak is self draining but I always get wet. Wetsuit a must.
There's no way I would risk going in. The sea is much less forgiving than a river/canal. And of course we want more videos from you so you've made the right choice. Be safe! 😎👍
Karl you definitely made the right decision, when in any doubt walk away while you’re still able to, you will have plenty more opportunities to kayak mate 😉
Fair play, it's tough to give up like that especially as it's a lot of effort to get the craft inflated and all the gear on. In my experience of being in the sea loads is you just have to watch for a while, learn the sets and lulls and then time a dash out beyond the breaking waves. I've only once in my life failed to get out the back and that was a day in Sennon (far South Cornwall) in probably 6-10ft waves but storm conditions. I tried for a good couple of hours but it was utterly relentless. It's all a learning curve. Best to be safe 99% of the time.
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I spent every hour I could in the sea. Once surfed for pretty much 12 hours straight. Had horrific sunburn after that! Seen a lot of people get into all sorts of trouble in big surf. It is a scary place as you're pretty much alone and relying on your own wits. A lot of people underestimate the sea.
@@TheWalkingKev You're so right! I grew in Filey with an ambulance man for a dad and members of the lifeboat crew as family friends. and naturally learned some of the horror stories. Respecting the sea was taught as a matter of course. Thankfully Filey being effectively a really harbour is a relatively safe place to play. So long as you stay within the current that crosses the bay from the Brigg, by and large the worse that can happen is you get swept further along the bay and end up having a long walk back. But go beyond that current and you might find yourself in more difficult conditions. I recall stories of people going too far in those daft little dingies being recovered several hours later cold and terrified.
Good call. I've gone in in similar conditions and probably earned someone £250 for the video. Getting back out was just as much fun. Lucky to get away with no breakages and no losses. Someone must have invented a flexible skeg - it would put less strain on the hull too.
Never regret the times you call a trip off - Always better to be safe than sorry. My dad and I got rescued by RNLI once when I was a kid and my dad didn’t call it!
That is exactly the point Joe, thank you 👍😊 I grew up in Filey, my dad was an ambulance driver and we had friends who worked the lifeboats. I heard all the stories first hand from people who worked those services. I've always been cautious and respectful and I despair when I see those who aren't. The seas teach a valuable lesson - no matter how good you think you are, no matter how well you think you know the water, no matter how many years of experience you have - there are always the unknown variables giving the sea the advantage.
oh no! But honestly, the universe is keeping you out! Deceptive tide that. I love when you see the tide change from high to slack. You can just see the energy fall out of it!
It’s good that you show the “learning experiences” too rather than just sunshine and perfect trips every time, much more useful for us beginners. In this case you confirmed me in my decision of not getting the story division kayak that i originally wanted and instead go for the higher priced advanced elements expedition elite, in part because of the flimsy skeg all these cheaper inflatables seem to have. I had a feeling they would snap easely, so myth confirmed:) On the elite it’s a shorter sturdier built-in skeg and it can also carry a LOT more weight, so maybe check it out for longer trips if you don’t know about it already. And i wouldn’t go anywhere without the pump btw, so you made the right decision going back.
Maybe i should add that i would use mine in pretty shallow waters where i live, so a long skeg would just be hitting the bottom all the time and also make it harder to launch. It might still work for others.
Hi karl, you did right to call it off. Do you carry any alternative gear ? I mean, instead of having a wasted trip, maybe you could of turned it into a sea swim, hiking / ramble / walking trip or sea fishing trip. I always try and have an alternative plan just in case things don't go right. Cheers.
Cheers Harvey. My plan was to see mum that day, so I didn't have anything else lined up, other than a visit to the bakery for some warm, pastry goodness 😁
It looks like you had a stimulating morning Karl. Some thoughts... A lot of inflatables sit high in the water, which can make launching in waves quite difficult, as the boat can move all over the place. I have found it easier to launch with hard shell kayaks. Sometimes with an inflatable I haven't bothered with a skeg. From your description it appears that you were trying to get in/get going in water that was too deep. It seems to have been a mistake to try and launch beyond the breaking waves, rather than in the shallows closer to shore. Experienced surfers, surf kayakers, sea kayakers etc generally have a good long look at the sea conditions, set formations and distribution of the breaking waves, wind direction etc before heading in. One way to launch, but it comes with risks, is to use the rip currents to get out back, as the rip currents are often calmer than the other parts of the beach breaks and less effort is required. If you get it wrong on the east coast though you could end up in the Netherlands. 😬 I don't envy you trying to get going with the inflatable with the camera in addition to the paddle. Quite a bit of a faff. Have you had any kayaking lessons Karl? I'd strongly recommend them and we are heading towards the time of year when clubs start holding kayaking/canoeing lessons and awards training. Anyway, we can all get it wrong. I managed to capsize a hard shell stable kayak in a canal last year as a result of not concentrating on what I should have been doing. I meant I practised my self rescue though...😊 Keep paddling.👍
If have stopped a trip on river Elbe after 600 km just 12 km from home. After 3 days against the wind this was the right decision. Sometimes you even have to stop just before, but WHY NOT if it is the right decision.....
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I have the same problem with space buddy, however. The itiwit X500 is rated as a River / Sea Kayak, check out this link to Air on the water channel ruclips.net/video/T_TkHHVxRzY/видео.html
@@THE-RIVER-RAT I'm familiar with it. I don't do closed cockpit crafts. Because of my facial paralysis, as soon as I'm underwater I'm effectively drowning. Risking getting trapped underwater in a closed cockpit is not a good for me. Risk assessment complete 🤣👍
Kit seen/used in this video
The hat - homemade :)
Sealskinz Waterproof Gloves - amzn.to/3XH19hN
Agug Snorkel Vest - amzn.to/3WIKTva
Aqua Marina Cascade Kayak - amzn.to/3kRd0Lm
Atacama Drysuit - www.wetsuitoutlet.co.uk/2023-crewsaver-atacama-sport-drysuit-free-undersuit-6555-red-black-p-22619.html
Other kayaking accessories I like can be found here - www.amazon.co.uk/shop/morethanjustacleaner/list/37P7M2N3DS6HJ
Other products I like on Amazon can be found here - www.amazon.co.uk/shop/morethanjustacleaner
10 out of 10 for the video. I would have made the same decision, unexpectedly big waves, several swims, difficulty getting into the boat, lost pump, broken skeg. You made the right decision.
Thanks Gordon 👍😊
We love all your vids this one did not disappoint! Good job on the day and we all learned something, thank you. Keep paddling!
Thank you, that's good to know 👍😁
Karl, you made the right decision, if it doesn’t feel right don’t do it, there’s always another day. Water temp is low and your on your own, much safer to have a buddy with you on the sea. I’ve never used an IF like that but I think one with higher sides would be better as it wouldn’t get swamped so easily, maybe not the Storey though. I’ll tell you my tale of loosing it when we finally get to meet up👍
Good stuff. Doing another group camp and paddle at Breighton Ferry 28/39/30 April if you can make it?
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner Hi Karl, it’s in my diary, hopefully I’ll make it for at least a night hopefully two. It’s really appreciated all you do in getting everyone together, I read the chat daily, would be great if you make it over towards the N West at some point.👍
@@geoffknight7322 whereabouts are you?
Karl I've given you a thumbs up for effort 👌
Lol cheers 👍😁
Wow, glad you're ok. I think you made the right move not going back out. This was a good lesson video 👍
Yeah and I didn't make things any easier. It was badly planned from the outset 😏
Brilliant, thanks, just shows how things can go wrong.
Better if someone with you too I think.
@@sumatumo2020 thankfully I've got much better at predicting better conditions, and I've done a video about that 👍😁
I think you did the right thing. You wasnt being a wuss, you made a calculated assessment of the risk and made a decision based on that. It is good to see when things go wrong because it helps others to learn. The waves didn't look that big but it showed just how powerful they can be. Thanks for sharing.
Karen, I think you've nailed what I found most frustrating... The sea really wasn't that rough! However because the waves were forming quite a way out, it made it awkward getting in the craft. Combine that with me not having set it up to take the conditions into account, and there we have it 😏
In all 3 of the sea outings I've done I've always assessed the tide and wind conditions - this one added other factors to take into account 👍😊
Definitely did the right thing there! Safety is paramount.
And the sea is an unpredictable beast at best. Cheers Jon 👍😊
Well that was interesting and definitely worth watching. Good to see how things can easily go wrong, and how quickly disaster can strike. I’m definitely concerned about the sturdiness of the skeg and seeing how yours has snapped makes me even more concerned. Thank you for all your videos 😘
The sea is such an unpredictable beast.
Considering all rescue situations involve people over estimating their ability and under estimating the conditions, I follow 2 exact opposite concepts as rules -
1 - under estimate your ability
2 - over estimate the severity of the conditions
👍😁
Yet another brilliant video Karl and couldn't agree with you more about showing how things could go wrong instead of using clever editing, we look forward each week to learn something new from you mate. And like you showing everyone me falling in I'm going to show this to everyone I know 😇😇😇
Love ya man!
Haha touché sir, touché 🤣🤣🤣
@More Than 'Just a Cleaner' I'm sure I'm still winning the who F'cked up the most over the last year but you catching me up nicely mate 👌
@@daveholmes9369 lol I think yours have just been more dramatic 🤣
@More Than 'Just a Cleaner' only because you was watching from a different angle than me mate 🤪😳
@@daveholmes9369 very true 🤪
From experience I can tell you you did the right thing. I use my wavesport scooter on the sea when on holiday. Going out is the easy bit coming back through the surf is the hardest. Had an early bath no end of times going over. Best part is the kayak is self draining but I always get wet. Wetsuit a must.
Yeah I'm inclined to agree, especially as the skeg had snapped. I favour a drysuit over a wetsuit 👍😁
There's no way I would risk going in. The sea is much less forgiving than a river/canal. And of course we want more videos from you so you've made the right choice. Be safe! 😎👍
That's a very fair comment, and I think you'll like my next video - it's another sea one 😁👍
You’re a great bloke Karl
Some would beg to differ 😅
Totally the right thing not to go. Stay safe everytime.
Absolutely 😁👍
Karl you definitely made the right decision, when in any doubt walk away while you’re still able to, you will have plenty more opportunities to kayak mate 😉
Cheers Paul, and you're so right. Live to paddle another day 😁👍
Fair play, it's tough to give up like that especially as it's a lot of effort to get the craft inflated and all the gear on. In my experience of being in the sea loads is you just have to watch for a while, learn the sets and lulls and then time a dash out beyond the breaking waves.
I've only once in my life failed to get out the back and that was a day in Sennon (far South Cornwall) in probably 6-10ft waves but storm conditions. I tried for a good couple of hours but it was utterly relentless.
It's all a learning curve. Best to be safe 99% of the time.
Cheers Kev 👍 what were you doing in the sea? Fishing?
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I used to bodyboard a lot, was pretty serious at one point. So I'd just be surfing in all conditions.
@@TheWalkingKev ah gotcha, yeah you'll have seen some people make some serious cock ups then 😏😶
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I spent every hour I could in the sea. Once surfed for pretty much 12 hours straight. Had horrific sunburn after that! Seen a lot of people get into all sorts of trouble in big surf. It is a scary place as you're pretty much alone and relying on your own wits. A lot of people underestimate the sea.
@@TheWalkingKev You're so right! I grew in Filey with an ambulance man for a dad and members of the lifeboat crew as family friends. and naturally learned some of the horror stories. Respecting the sea was taught as a matter of course. Thankfully Filey being effectively a really harbour is a relatively safe place to play. So long as you stay within the current that crosses the bay from the Brigg, by and large the worse that can happen is you get swept further along the bay and end up having a long walk back. But go beyond that current and you might find yourself in more difficult conditions. I recall stories of people going too far in those daft little dingies being recovered several hours later cold and terrified.
Good call. I've gone in in similar conditions and probably earned someone £250 for the video. Getting back out was just as much fun. Lucky to get away with no breakages and no losses. Someone must have invented a flexible skeg - it would put less strain on the hull too.
A more flexible skeg would be an interesting idea to try out. I'm starting to get a better feel for the right see sea paddling conditions now 👍😁
Never regret the times you call a trip off - Always better to be safe than sorry. My dad and I got rescued by RNLI once when I was a kid and my dad didn’t call it!
That is exactly the point Joe, thank you 👍😊 I grew up in Filey, my dad was an ambulance driver and we had friends who worked the lifeboats. I heard all the stories first hand from people who worked those services. I've always been cautious and respectful and I despair when I see those who aren't. The seas teach a valuable lesson - no matter how good you think you are, no matter how well you think you know the water, no matter how many years of experience you have - there are always the unknown variables giving the sea the advantage.
oh no! But honestly, the universe is keeping you out! Deceptive tide that. I love when you see the tide change from high to slack. You can just see the energy fall out of it!
It was deceptive 😏 but yes, as you say, one to take as a warning 😊👍
It’s good that you show the “learning experiences” too rather than just sunshine and perfect trips every time, much more useful for us beginners. In this case you confirmed me in my decision of not getting the story division kayak that i originally wanted and instead go for the higher priced advanced elements expedition elite, in part because of the flimsy skeg all these cheaper inflatables seem to have. I had a feeling they would snap easely, so myth confirmed:)
On the elite it’s a shorter sturdier built-in skeg and it can also carry a LOT more weight, so maybe check it out for longer trips if you don’t know about it already. And i wouldn’t go anywhere without the pump btw, so you made the right decision going back.
Maybe i should add that i would use mine in pretty shallow waters where i live, so a long skeg would just be hitting the bottom all the time and also make it harder to launch. It might still work for others.
Thanks for that 👍 it's good to know they're useful 👍😁
The best call - you can’t take any chances at sea. Live to paddle another day!
Absolutely 😁👍
Hi karl, you did right to call it off. Do you carry any alternative gear ? I mean, instead of having a wasted trip, maybe you could of turned it into a sea swim, hiking / ramble / walking trip or sea fishing trip. I always try and have an alternative plan just in case things don't go right. Cheers.
Cheers Harvey. My plan was to see mum that day, so I didn't have anything else lined up, other than a visit to the bakery for some warm, pastry goodness 😁
It looks like you had a stimulating morning Karl. Some thoughts...
A lot of inflatables sit high in the water, which can make launching in waves quite difficult, as the boat can move all over the place. I have found it easier to launch with hard shell kayaks. Sometimes with an inflatable I haven't bothered with a skeg. From your description it appears that you were trying to get in/get going in water that was too deep. It seems to have been a mistake to try and launch beyond the breaking waves, rather than in the shallows closer to shore.
Experienced surfers, surf kayakers, sea kayakers etc generally have a good long look at the sea conditions, set formations and distribution of the breaking waves, wind direction etc before heading in. One way to launch, but it comes with risks, is to use the rip currents to get out back, as the rip currents are often calmer than the other parts of the beach breaks and less effort is required. If you get it wrong on the east coast though you could end up in the Netherlands. 😬
I don't envy you trying to get going with the inflatable with the camera in addition to the paddle. Quite a bit of a faff.
Have you had any kayaking lessons Karl? I'd strongly recommend them and we are heading towards the time of year when clubs start holding kayaking/canoeing lessons and awards training.
Anyway, we can all get it wrong. I managed to capsize a hard shell stable kayak in a canal last year as a result of not concentrating on what I should have been doing. I meant I practised my self rescue though...😊
Keep paddling.👍
It was all a good learning experience 😁👍
When that much goes wrong so early, walking away is the sensible thing to do.
Yeah I think so too... It's just so damn frustrating 🤣
At 2:09 I had a bad feeling about this. The waves are much smaller in HK and I still get thrown off my paddle board. Good video anyway
It was very deceptive until I was in the water 😏 thankfully, this last weekend, I had a fabulous sea paddle 👍😊
If have stopped a trip on river Elbe after 600 km just 12 km from home. After 3 days against the wind this was the right decision. Sometimes you even have to stop just before, but WHY NOT if it is the right decision.....
That's a very good point 👍😁
You did the right thing. But I would suggest if you're planning on going Sea kayaking, is to invest in a kayak designed for sea paddling.
In terms of inflatables options are limited, as far as I'm aware. And I don't have the storage space for a hardshell 😏
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I have the same problem with space buddy, however. The itiwit X500 is rated as a River / Sea Kayak,
check out this link to Air on the water channel
ruclips.net/video/T_TkHHVxRzY/видео.html
@@THE-RIVER-RAT I'm familiar with it. I don't do closed cockpit crafts. Because of my facial paralysis, as soon as I'm underwater I'm effectively drowning. Risking getting trapped underwater in a closed cockpit is not a good for me. Risk assessment complete 🤣👍
Such a shame! At least you tried, mate. But safety first 👍🏻
I would have done the same, not worth the risk.
It was just so ruddy frustrating 🤣
@@MoreThanJustaCleaner I'll email you the saga of my very first attempt at an inflatable kayak voyage, now THAT was frustrating!
@@molsi01 lol ok
Hehe ooo shit 😅😅😅had me rollin about
@@captainwashoutkayaking I'm glad it's at least a bit entertaining 😅
Disappointing but the right thing to do.
You're right on both counts Ray 😁
Learn for the next time you see waves like that, it means you don’t go out
Yes, or I use shorter skegs so I can jump in the boat in shallower water, and paddle through the breakers 👍😊
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