Have had a few Funny, "Man Baby" moments myself, as an Imperial Guard player, once my Dice roles were so bad (4th edition) I got my own Commissar to shoot my own men. My opponent (a good friend) said that I couldn't shoot my own models, I found it quite cathartic and thematic that the only rolls that I rolled to hit and wound was my Commissar executing members of my own army 🤣
Speaking as a 29 year old male brony, there are a lot of us as you described, and there are a lot of us who are better and worse than you’ve described. The thing is is that many of us have some problem or deficiency that we grew up with and with my little pony we’ve found something we can finally share with people and feel relatively normal. I say “us” with the intent to exclude myself from the less agreeable descriptors but I do have to admit that I have some traits that I’ve found has been helped by a kids tv show. And frankly, that’s what the show is to me, a children’s tv show that is well written with good animation and story telling. The other fans that make music and other stuff also make good content about something I enjoy, much like the astartes videos before they sold out to games workshop. It’s content I can enjoy to make me feel happy about moving on after my friendless, unhappy, unreasonably bullied childhood, while at the same time giving me a reason at one point to not simply kill myself. I’ve since grown past this. While I don’t like what you’ve said about an interest of mine, there are parts I can agree on. That being said I have no ill feelings toward you or your thoughts. I try to not be smelly and I try to stay clean but showering every day gets expensive and it can be difficult to not stink of machine shops and welding fumes after working full time for 7+ years, surround3d by 40 people who also work full time around welding fumes and vapourised cutting oils and carcinogenic chrome swarf. Also like you’ve said, there are exceptions to every group and every hobby, sport, and game has bad apples, so I do think that you should go to a football game and ask yourself how many football, hockey, or curling fans are pedophiles and other shit you could be around. Even then, as a war hammer fan yourself, what could other people be thinking of you that’s not favourable, simply based on an interest? He plays with little plastic toy soldiers, oh and he plays little games of pretend with them. If someone shat on you, to me, solely based on the fact that you play with little green army men at age 25 or 40 or whatever, I’d tell the person to go fuck themself for being judgy. So don’t judge everyone else who can be considered normal and functional because we like a cartoon with a different target demographic. Free reign on anime fans though. Go nuts
6:08 Steve Harvey has a great bit about female friends. Says he doesn’t have female friends and that women with men as friends, the only reason they ARE friends is because it’s been made explicitly clear that NOTHING is going to happen, and they hang around and hope that one day there will be a crack in that armor they can take advantage of.
Luckily my only true rage at the game moment ended up being more funny than anything. Rolled my 5th double one on a charge and just looked up at my friend. He said "rage?" I said "unyielding". Then we went to smash the dice, but the hammer broke instead... So we fell out laughing .
Love your videos man! I've been out of the hobby since 3rd edition. I've got great memories of going into the Edinburgh store on Saturday and the guys there were legends with me - a shy 8 year old. Thinking of getting back into it now though, and your videos are inspiring me! Keep it up!
I've had a couple of discussions with my group about man-babying - (all dudes in their 30s) specifically about why does it feel bad to lose at Toy Soldiers vs any other boardgames / video games? We came to the consensus that's its because so much time is spent gathering, assembling & painting - then organising availability of people etc. So that when your freshly painted unit or army is onebanged immediately it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. For me, it's all about the setting / narrative so I don't particularly mind if my Boyz get smashed. I like to keep in mind that when you're losing, remember that your opponent's army is actually getting to do the cool, fluffy things it's "meant" to do. This is what works for me, and I've gotten a few comments along the lines of "I'd rather play you, because I *know* it's always fun to play you", which is a very nice thing to hear.
I tried this. It didnt work. Getting tabled turn one because your enemy is playing so unbelievably sweaty and long range or getting tabled because he isnt even on the field so you waste a turn is so incredibly toxic and unfun. I stopped playing standard warhammer because I wasted entire days just to feel shitty
Quite funny actually. Recently, I've been basically made a persona non grata by my local gaming club because I dared to have a different opinion on GW's practices. Shared some vids, including some from this channel that don't put GW in the best light hoping to have a discussion what people think; where GW is going, how its affecting their share prices etc and voila, done. Been even threatened, made me laugh tho.
Years ago I had a group good friends that all played 40k. On a Saturday we were all playing and I was facing off my recently built Tau against chaos marines. By the end of the game I end up winning by wiping out all the chaos models and my opponent only got one of my foot troopers in return and I felt soo bad about it. He literally only killed one of my models and it was just a trooper. Well come a week or two later we have a face off again but this time I am playing my well renowned Eldar army against his same chaos. He DESTROYS me and I never even killed a single model! It was the most glorious game ever because of the previous game that I had won. It was poetic justice against me and there was such a celebration with the whole group. I think we even paid for his dinner at a restaurant that night after gaming lol. I never before saw games like those two games where one side loses and literally doesn't kill any enemy models at all. I don't know what the odds of one game with only one kill and another with zero kills against an opponent are but it truly happened. Those games actually caused us to hang out even more together and we would always tell the story to new gamers lol.
I’ve met a few bronies in the past few years being a rave promoter and they seem alright. Def not stinky or crusty but more flamboyant and manscaped :p especially compared to the large nurgle players I’ve come in contact with while gaming. But maybe bronies are different here in the states.
Yeah company policy can suck an egg. My local GW store has three boxes of the old Necron Warriors; green rods. Games Workshop made the manager sign a policy that they wouldn't sell them...for some reason no one knows. Also the actual policy of my store doesn't permit unpainted minis to be used in play. Luckily the manager ignores that policy. Those who run Grey Hordes are free to do so.
One of my former favorite podcasters put it like this, after having a bad dm "If I can make someone feel the opposite of how this asshole treated me right now, I would be a good dm" Lord knows I had moments with bad luck absolutely killing me, and me getting tilted, but I try to be a good opponent always
I had a game during a 7th edition tournament where we were both VERY salty. Kind of turned into a really funny event. I was running ultramarines vs a Battalion of orks, and both our dice rolls were poor. We were tied on points, and it was coming down to the last round and was very late. We were both getting frustrated, and managed to get into combat, my captain vs his Warboss. We were both wounded, but failed to kill. We got to a point it was the last phase of the last turn. My counterpart channelled his inner ork, spoke in a cockney accent and said 'come at me then, space marine!' I replied 'Bring it! Ork!' In the end the warboss carried the day, but both he and myself laughed hard at the end. The only issue I had with him was that he would pretend to hammer onto my models with his models, without thinking it might chip/break the models. I wasn't impressed, but asked nicely for him to refrain
Good thing that i aware i have no chance with women, that i find attractive. I consider myself unappealing (looks and personality), so why should i bother someone, when i bring nothing to the table. Makes easier to be neutral.
I say this with love, this is just low self-esteem. You know better than anyone else what you find undesirable about yourself, there are all sorts of ways you can work to remedy those things.
I'm ashamed to say that I have been a man baby on occasions. Once was justified if you ask me, but still... And the other two times I felt really bad afterwards and apologised many many many times. I still hate fucking Storage Wolves though.
Everyone is going to get attention good and bad from others. It’s impossible to remove people from people. It’s a good idea to just get used to being alone from most recognition. I really get weary from all the hyper complex interactions of people these days. When did dealing with everyone get so complicated? I’m probably just too old at this point.
"Cathartic blood boil" has to be the most perfect expression. It really describes that thing I was unable to explain to my girlfriend for a while whenever she asks me why I would keep doing it
On gate keeping, almost every store I have been to here in the states has its stigmas, certain armies , certain play styles, for example I was looking at getting marines after leaving a third store to the mumbles about smurfs, I decided there was no point to starting a marine army if every one in my meta don't want to play it. While a fantasy player I would bring my empire list and be told I wouldn't have fun the meta was mostly choas. Like it must be a states thing but mid tier players over here are giving lessons on gate keeping
There's a girl who works at my LGS. Young, blonde, plays Warhammer, DM's her own D&D group, etc. While I love some of the stories she tells of dudes hitting on her, guys... just stop. She's at work. She has to be nice to you. It's her job. I'll randomly stop in and strike up a conversation about how I'm painting my minis. Sometimes I'll ask the people at the counter for suggestions of colors that would go well with my scheme and I'll pick up a pot of paint and give it a try, then bring it in when I'm done to show it off. Then I move onto my next project. I just treat her like anyone else who is interested in my painting. Do not get me started on the Bronies at the store I go to. These guys all look like they came in from a half-way house. Disheveled and broken. They play an RPG based on MLP and they do it unironically and then they talk about it incessantly.
anyone here ever played the X-wing miniatures game? I haven't but all those fighter models look pretty cool If I had to get into gaming, I'd love to try that WWII one, Bolt Action.
I used to play X-Wing first edition & I loved it. My LFGS used to have monthly events which attracted good numbers. I moved away for a year for work and when I moved back 2nd edition had dropped (which required people to rebuy all their cards) which seems to have killed the game in my area. Before making any purchases I'd look in to seeing if there's much of a community for the game or if any of your friends would be interested in picking it up with you. If there are people in your area playing see if someone will give you a demo game to see if you like it.
I saw a comment calling people "toxic" in response to just basic criticism of Warhammer+ on instagram a while back, these are probably the same people that say "thats offensive" as if its some kind of argument.
I have seen a lot of people claiming that women are being kept out of the hobby because there aren't very women who play. I have seen quite a few people suggest that this makes hobby spaces unsafe for women. In my experience, the reality is the exact opposite. Venue trip over themselves to get more women playing. People are very accommodating to any woman who shows any interest at all. They certainly aren't unsafe. No one is. Hobby spaces are some of the safest places around.
Honest Question: Does calling out the larger community (online only) for playing with grey models count as gatekeeping? (Not directly to any one person). I’m very passionate about this aspect but have been accused of “gatekeeping” because I’m honest about it. If I volunteer to help people paint does that atone for my gatekeeping?
I actually have a book called "The Civilized Guide to Tabletop Gaming", and it specifically says to bring it painted if you're into miniatures games. x)
most "toxic" people i encountered where: tryhard tournament MEtA chaser wanabes // "fans" that start the conversation with :" well i love the hobby but this and that needs to change because i/or someone that isnt in the hobby is offended!" One of the players in our local Store actually refuses to play females, but for the reason that he has Gynophobia (actually showed the store owner the psych. attestation, from what i know he was abused or something) and his friends help him with the issue but he just cant play or even talk with a female player, i think that is extremely sad.
Is refusing to play with person brings an army with political symbols and flags painted it gatekeeping or housekeeping? What if they keep posting their army with political symbols on an online hobby group with rules against real world politics and the the admins don't do anything.
Northern Exile actually made a video that mentioned this! A dude had a communist themed Imperial Guard army and Northern had to tell him he can't field it in the store.
Are Bronies still a thing? Haven't seen one in years. Also as for gatekeeping in the way the online world describes it, only had it in Magic. Someone legit told me they'd burn my deck. For 40k though no ones told me I can't play because of x or y. Few cases of people just awkward, inappropriate and disgusting. That's a different kind of gatekeeping though. That's just unappealing. There should be another word for it, but what people talk about online and what happens IRL are not the same thing. I think the closest, because I don't know what to call it, is far more blatant attempts of cheating I experience then those around me. That's totally a thing and frustrating.
Bronies are still a thing, but a lot of them grew up and the ones I happen upon online mostly are just furies with a thing for horses. They also have been expelled from most mainstream places.
You used one of my favorite terms “Fucktard” to describe some of my least favorite people/groups. Thank you. Also, huge corporations trying to be down with the “progressive cause” makes me physically sick!
I don’t think this dude has been in the US that long so I don’t see how he would have a trustworthy opinion on a movement that originated and mostly is in the US
@@qwer9676 I don't think this dude is in the US at all, but I don't see why that would prevent him from forming a legitimate opinion on the movement. As someone from the US who witnessed the havoc and destruction, they caused to communities in my home state in the name of 'protest', I think he hit the nail on the head by labeling them 'radical and extreme'.
@@123Billygoatman123 he’s outside looking in so I don’t really trust that also the people looting were just opportunists and don’t reflect the movement or cause as a whole
I love women in our hobby. Not because I'm trying to be a creepy incel or anything, but I know how fun this hobby is and I want people to join and enjoy it, no matter if they're men or women. I know that one of the chief things that dissuades women is when they come to the store and are met by a bunch of creepy neckbeards who treat them differently because they're women. One of my favorite gaming opponents is a woman. One day, a guy came up to her laden with a couple of hundred dollars worth of product for a new army she was starting. "Here, here's a gift from me." I thought that was pretty creepy behavior, personally. She has a good looking SO and would have zero interest in this guy. I figure he has way more money than sense.
The only reason I even like my little pony is because I have a 13 year old daughter and that was her show and it had good moral messages in the show. So that is the only reason I would consider my self a bronie is because I was forced to watch it and had good times with my daughter.
This, right here. There are so many lovely, supportive, wonderful people in it. The unfortunate flip side to this is the toxic ones tend to stand out as they are very rare, especially in store.
From a business perspective, It's really not that weird- it's using current in events as marketing towards a specific demographic. Most companies do it- the classic example is a rainbow logo during pride.
@@starlettdragon you don't have to market towards ppl not being pieces of fascist garbage, and there aren't really that many ppl bringing Nazi ideology into hobby shops. It's cringe. Gw almost sounded like they were aligning themselves with blm, as the host of this channel noted. blm are domestic terrorists who caused billions of dollars in damage and numerous deaths last summer
@@dtps_champion6016 Its still marketing. Every company does this, projecting the values of the company in the way that will attract the business from the people they want, and vice versa. Happens across evey industry. If you disagree with a stance they take or feel it's not relevant, you are not in the demographic they are trying to attract. In the end it's all business decisions made way higher up the chain, by people looking at statistics and focusing on the overall brand image, than the individual stores.
@@dtps_champion6016 It was in response to a specific event that happened at a GW sponsored tournament in Spain were some loser turner up dressed in Waffen SS regalia. Seems like standard corporate PR exercise to me.
Yes, yes, three times yes, I agree with you in every sentence. But one of the most toxic things in the environment, and in the Warhammer zone, is some kind of GW policy .... All the newspapers, magazines they have published over the years or now the Internet channel, to cut it short, GW will act like there is no other company in the industry but them. ... Fun, grotesque, scary etc. I understand that the company will take care of "theirs", but literally for years they probably consider their fans to be less intelligent than gray plastic ... Maybe it colors it all a bit, and at the same time it moves the part of the brain that cannot ignore it.
Like i totally get getting upset and frustrated with dice rolls cause that shit happens and that shit does suck but at least just get annoyed with the dice and not the opponent cause thats not there fault. Luck can be a fickle asshole sometimes but dony take out your frustration on your opponent.
Man, mentioning bronies is kind of a hit below the belt lmao. Though, to be fair, as someone who's been involved with it for 10 years, there are some seriously weird people in it.
@@John.AR.Activism Wow, aren't you clever calling people who like a cartoon pedophiles. GW stores are "high risk" as per the police for child sexual abuse, so I guess that warhammer players are a bunch of pedos too, huh?
@@John.AR.Activism So because it's not marketed specifically to little girls, it's not "for" them? It's for anyone, regardless of the marketing. Anyone can enjoy it. Anyone can enjoy just about anything.
Dude when my kids have been into my little pony and watched it nonstop yes I watched it with them and yea I enjoyed it, it does not make you sinister to enjoy it
difference between that (people who watch the show/like the show, especially with kids) and what he was talking about. There is a reason there is such a reaction across the board with the type of "men" NE is speaking of. Perhaps you haven't encountered said people in person, but I have and to a one they do strike me as very much the type of people you would best go far out of your way to keep your kids away from. Its also worth bringing up here as this hobby attracts children and raising awareness among fellow hobbyists helps keep them safe.
Yeah I got to agree leave politics at the door and I have known a few Manchildren in the hobby, ok I am not the perfect human but at least have some dignity at least these guys could try get some help as you say, I think the worst thing its to do with mental health especially how their parents treat them, I have known guys who their parents do everything for them, basically baby them and not let them find their own way in the world.
The gatekeeping that I have witnessed is refusal to play people with unpainted armies or badly painted armies. And the judgemental demeaning comments that come along with it. That is most certainly a form of gatekeeping.
Yeah thats definitely not cool, i understand some venues require fully painted for tourney play but if youre just doing a casual competitive game that shit aint cool, there are periods of time where i just cant get any painting done because of several factors in my life, that shouldnt prohibit me from actually playing the game ive spent thousands upon thousands on (i dont have a problem i swear >.>)
@@afireinsidebrad I agree with you. I suppose I am guilty of gatekeeping in one sense. I am not keen about playing people with armies of ponies, lego and other such oddities. It no longer feels like the game I signed on for. I don't preach and judge the fellows who do this. It just isn't for me.
I don't know what your bronies look like, I've mainly been around cleanly shaved and showered people. Professional, organised people who work hard and like to party when the week is out. I have a few hobbies, including 40k and consuming a number of medias, and you'll see me around the gaming table either with my office shirts or any number of geeky shirts, some of which include ponies. It usually coaxes out a laugh out of the other dudes, we throw around a couple of meaningless insults, not taking shit or offense, and go on playing a nice game of dice while doing strange voices with thick aggressive accents. The pony shirt is just another joke you can throw around, there's nothing serious going on at a game table. It's all ridiculous, we love every minute of it, and we need no help being propped up or anything. That's most of us. What you describe is the geeky nerd type, which you'll find across all convention cultures (Ponies, comics, sci-fi, anime...). Socialy awkward types who find refuge in escapism, focussing on make believe worlds they can appreciate with other people, and who have so little going on in their lives otherwise that they eventually get funnelled into the little niches in which they find joy, and let them define their entire existence. Bronies have them because we're largely a non threatening bunch and we have the same kind of mending relations with them as the ones you describe within the Warhammer hobby, but again it's not specific to any one community. I've seen pure bred 40k players with the traits you describe. They generally mean well, and are quite agreable when you get them to open up. That's generally the first step they achieve within a hobby and that goes on opening new horizons for them as they experiment with new people and things. They're just kids inside, be nice to them and they'll thank you for it. You'll even get a few good games out of them with patience, just remember there's people under the grime.
I don't see why, theyre both at extreme opposite ends of the political spectrum. After that trump supporter was murdered by some antifa type in Portland the very same night a BLM supporter said with a megaphone "im not sad a fascist died tonight" to the resounding cheers.
How about people who take this hobby and lore way to seriously? I'm so fucking tired of people who you can't even mention Orks near without getting "DAKKA! DAKKA! DAKKA!" shouted in your face. Or even worse, when you play something that isn't Space Marines and get called a "Filthy Xeno!"
I disagree with your making a dichotomy between "gatekeeping" and "housekeeping" given in virtually all use of the term is with gatekeeping being used for what you defined housekeeping as.
Dude,.. this presentation seems to be just you more or less slagging of your once clientele . I have no idea how true any of it is , I haven't been in a GW store in thirty years ,myself. Still , clearly this is stuff close to your heart so I can assume that it's all stuff you've seen and experienced . I must say that , being honest , what you are saying here is totally reenforcing a lot of stereotypes that a many people in general hold about Warhammer players. Just saying.
I see you clearly missed the overwhelmingly positive hobby video just before this one where I said I was going to do a 'good' and 'bad' style of video. I suggest you head over and watch it :) And if you have already watched it...I think you missed the point of what this video was trying to do as a counter balance of the really positive video. As to stereotypes, have a look at the comments section of this video and you can see other people have experienced very similar things. In fact some of the comments make my experiences seem tame xD Thank you for the feedback!
@@northernexile No, thank you. You are right, I did not see that other video. I have seen some of your other stuff but for this one you could think of me as a clean slate , if you will. I guess I was just pointing out that RUclips is very a public forum and that not all your viewers are going to be hobbyists , or at least not active hobbyists. Some people might get the wrong idea, or take the wrong message away,... it's just a thought, no more.
I don't get the T-shirt thing but you know I understand your country doesn't have freedom of expression so guess that's more of a difference in culture I guess.
@@LPvid2024 yes, no one person should be allowed to define what's offensive for anyone else. What's offensive for one isn't for another. Makings laws to ban offensive anything leads to oppression upon cultures small and big that disagree. There for it's better for people to work there problems out civil and socially, instead of through law and hate In my opinion
I have to disagree with the BLM opinions. The BLM movement was only put together to bring notion to the fact that Police brutality against minorities were greater and to bring more awareness that Police officers are overworked, and given WAY to much to handle. From going to people who are mentally ill and instead of helping them, the officer on duty shoots the person having a mental crisis. There has been so many cases come to light about something like this. There are bad people in BLM who take it to far, but the overall goal of BLM is to provide better social structures that take care of people.
Agreed. I think it’s very unfair to compare it as the “left-wing version of Nazi”. Because the latter is outright a hate group compared with a group with a just cause that has hateful people in - honestly very similar to Warhammer has a hobby in that one respect - a group getting slandered due to minority
@@HistoritorJimaldus No. I just happen to know what I'm talking about and look past the pleasant veneer to what they were really doing and what they put as their mission statements. You should try it some time.
Enjoyed most of your stories about the hobby and some lore insights... but then you went off spouting RW conspiracy BS about the BLM movement? Yeah sorry dude I have no patience for ignorance like that. Later, and I hope you fix whatever it is that is broken.
The only problem I have only seen in 40k recently is jealousy towards another player. I have seen guys get upset because a gaming buddy would have a much better painted army, or a guy sees how to play the game differently making him above average player with good tactical mind. My only problem is not knowing how to address or mention this out loud in a positive way.
Have had a few Funny, "Man Baby" moments myself, as an Imperial Guard player, once my Dice roles were so bad (4th edition) I got my own Commissar to shoot my own men. My opponent (a good friend) said that I couldn't shoot my own models, I found it quite cathartic and thematic that the only rolls that I rolled to hit and wound was my Commissar executing members of my own army 🤣
Speaking as a 29 year old male brony, there are a lot of us as you described, and there are a lot of us who are better and worse than you’ve described. The thing is is that many of us have some problem or deficiency that we grew up with and with my little pony we’ve found something we can finally share with people and feel relatively normal.
I say “us” with the intent to exclude myself from the less agreeable descriptors but I do have to admit that I have some traits that I’ve found has been helped by a kids tv show. And frankly, that’s what the show is to me, a children’s tv show that is well written with good animation and story telling. The other fans that make music and other stuff also make good content about something I enjoy, much like the astartes videos before they sold out to games workshop. It’s content I can enjoy to make me feel happy about moving on after my friendless, unhappy, unreasonably bullied childhood, while at the same time giving me a reason at one point to not simply kill myself. I’ve since grown past this. While I don’t like what you’ve said about an interest of mine, there are parts I can agree on. That being said I have no ill feelings toward you or your thoughts.
I try to not be smelly and I try to stay clean but showering every day gets expensive and it can be difficult to not stink of machine shops and welding fumes after working full time for 7+ years, surround3d by 40 people who also work full time around welding fumes and vapourised cutting oils and carcinogenic chrome swarf.
Also like you’ve said, there are exceptions to every group and every hobby, sport, and game has bad apples, so I do think that you should go to a football game and ask yourself how many football, hockey, or curling fans are pedophiles and other shit you could be around. Even then, as a war hammer fan yourself, what could other people be thinking of you that’s not favourable, simply based on an interest? He plays with little plastic toy soldiers, oh and he plays little games of pretend with them. If someone shat on you, to me, solely based on the fact that you play with little green army men at age 25 or 40 or whatever, I’d tell the person to go fuck themself for being judgy. So don’t judge everyone else who can be considered normal and functional because we like a cartoon with a different target demographic.
Free reign on anime fans though. Go nuts
6:08 Steve Harvey has a great bit about female friends.
Says he doesn’t have female friends and that women with men as friends, the only reason they ARE friends is because it’s been made explicitly clear that NOTHING is going to happen, and they hang around and hope that one day there will be a crack in that armor they can take advantage of.
Everyone woman has her orbiters.
Wow that’s strange. I have women friends and I’m married with child and happy.
@@rayray8731 Thats because Steve Harvey just talks bollocks
@@rayray8731 you’re normal and having lots of different types of friends is normal. Having weird attitudes towards women is not
Luckily my only true rage at the game moment ended up being more funny than anything.
Rolled my 5th double one on a charge and just looked up at my friend. He said "rage?" I said "unyielding". Then we went to smash the dice, but the hammer broke instead... So we fell out laughing .
Love your videos man! I've been out of the hobby since 3rd edition. I've got great memories of going into the Edinburgh store on Saturday and the guys there were legends with me - a shy 8 year old.
Thinking of getting back into it now though, and your videos are inspiring me! Keep it up!
I've had a couple of discussions with my group about man-babying - (all dudes in their 30s) specifically about why does it feel bad to lose at Toy Soldiers vs any other boardgames / video games? We came to the consensus that's its because so much time is spent gathering, assembling & painting - then organising availability of people etc. So that when your freshly painted unit or army is onebanged immediately it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
For me, it's all about the setting / narrative so I don't particularly mind if my Boyz get smashed. I like to keep in mind that when you're losing, remember that your opponent's army is actually getting to do the cool, fluffy things it's "meant" to do.
This is what works for me, and I've gotten a few comments along the lines of "I'd rather play you, because I *know* it's always fun to play you", which is a very nice thing to hear.
Losing at chess is the worst.
With 40k the dice gods are fickle sometimes.
With chess it’s all your own stupidity.
I tried this. It didnt work. Getting tabled turn one because your enemy is playing so unbelievably sweaty and long range or getting tabled because he isnt even on the field so you waste a turn is so incredibly toxic and unfun. I stopped playing standard warhammer because I wasted entire days just to feel shitty
The rending your garments part got me. Good video, with most point I wholehartedly agree.
Quite funny actually. Recently, I've been basically made a persona non grata by my local gaming club because I dared to have a different opinion on GW's practices. Shared some vids, including some from this channel that don't put GW in the best light hoping to have a discussion what people think; where GW is going, how its affecting their share prices etc and voila, done. Been even threatened, made me laugh tho.
Years ago I had a group good friends that all played 40k. On a Saturday we were all playing and I was facing off my recently built Tau against chaos marines. By the end of the game I end up winning by wiping out all the chaos models and my opponent only got one of my foot troopers in return and I felt soo bad about it. He literally only killed one of my models and it was just a trooper. Well come a week or two later we have a face off again but this time I am playing my well renowned Eldar army against his same chaos. He DESTROYS me and I never even killed a single model! It was the most glorious game ever because of the previous game that I had won. It was poetic justice against me and there was such a celebration with the whole group. I think we even paid for his dinner at a restaurant that night after gaming lol. I never before saw games like those two games where one side loses and literally doesn't kill any enemy models at all. I don't know what the odds of one game with only one kill and another with zero kills against an opponent are but it truly happened. Those games actually caused us to hang out even more together and we would always tell the story to new gamers lol.
The most importand thing is there a cat purring in the backround ?
I wish :(
I’ve met a few bronies in the past few years being a rave promoter and they seem alright. Def not stinky or crusty but more flamboyant and manscaped :p especially compared to the large nurgle players I’ve come in contact with while gaming. But maybe bronies are different here in the states.
"I've met a few bronies in the past few years being a rave promoter"
Well that's a sentence I never thought I would hear.
@@FinallyAlone lol cheers to that 🍻
Yeah company policy can suck an egg. My local GW store has three boxes of the old Necron Warriors; green rods. Games Workshop made the manager sign a policy that they wouldn't sell them...for some reason no one knows.
Also the actual policy of my store doesn't permit unpainted minis to be used in play. Luckily the manager ignores that policy. Those who run Grey Hordes are free to do so.
It's not just the hobby but society in general. Many people suffer from the lack of a smack in the head to correct aberrant behaviour.
One of my former favorite podcasters put it like this, after having a bad dm
"If I can make someone feel the opposite of how this asshole treated me right now, I would be a good dm"
Lord knows I had moments with bad luck absolutely killing me, and me getting tilted, but I try to be a good opponent always
I had a game during a 7th edition tournament where we were both VERY salty. Kind of turned into a really funny event.
I was running ultramarines vs a Battalion of orks, and both our dice rolls were poor.
We were tied on points, and it was coming down to the last round and was very late. We were both getting frustrated, and managed to get into combat, my captain vs his Warboss. We were both wounded, but failed to kill.
We got to a point it was the last phase of the last turn. My counterpart channelled his inner ork, spoke in a cockney accent and said 'come at me then, space marine!' I replied 'Bring it! Ork!'
In the end the warboss carried the day, but both he and myself laughed hard at the end.
The only issue I had with him was that he would pretend to hammer onto my models with his models, without thinking it might chip/break the models. I wasn't impressed, but asked nicely for him to refrain
Good thing that i aware i have no chance with women, that i find attractive. I consider myself unappealing (looks and personality), so why should i bother someone, when i bring nothing to the table. Makes easier to be neutral.
I say this with love, this is just low self-esteem. You know better than anyone else what you find undesirable about yourself, there are all sorts of ways you can work to remedy those things.
Sometimes toxicity is a defense mechanism. It might actually be a thing with fantasy/sf fandoms.
I'm ashamed to say that I have been a man baby on occasions.
Once was justified if you ask me, but still... And the other two times I felt really bad afterwards and apologised many many many times.
I still hate fucking Storage Wolves though.
Everyone is going to get attention good and bad from others. It’s impossible to remove people from people. It’s a good idea to just get used to being alone from most recognition. I really get weary from all the hyper complex interactions of people these days. When did dealing with everyone get so complicated? I’m probably just too old at this point.
"Cathartic blood boil" has to be the most perfect expression. It really describes that thing I was unable to explain to my girlfriend for a while whenever she asks me why I would keep doing it
On gate keeping, almost every store I have been to here in the states has its stigmas, certain armies , certain play styles, for example I was looking at getting marines after leaving a third store to the mumbles about smurfs, I decided there was no point to starting a marine army if every one in my meta don't want to play it. While a fantasy player I would bring my empire list and be told I wouldn't have fun the meta was mostly choas. Like it must be a states thing but mid tier players over here are giving lessons on gate keeping
There's a girl who works at my LGS. Young, blonde, plays Warhammer, DM's her own D&D group, etc.
While I love some of the stories she tells of dudes hitting on her, guys... just stop. She's at work. She has to be nice to you. It's her job.
I'll randomly stop in and strike up a conversation about how I'm painting my minis. Sometimes I'll ask the people at the counter for suggestions of colors that would go well with my scheme and I'll pick up a pot of paint and give it a try, then bring it in when I'm done to show it off. Then I move onto my next project. I just treat her like anyone else who is interested in my painting.
Do not get me started on the Bronies at the store I go to. These guys all look like they came in from a half-way house. Disheveled and broken. They play an RPG based on MLP and they do it unironically and then they talk about it incessantly.
Frankly, I pay enough for Plastic soldiers, but I'm not paying to see in some cases frankly substandard animation.
What is that indie game called running in the background?
As always, great stories 👍🏽
I’ve always heard White Knights referred to as Nice Guys over here
Beta Blood Bowl stoicism < Sigma Bloodbowl flipping the table and convulsing
anyone here ever played the X-wing miniatures game? I haven't but all those fighter models look pretty cool
If I had to get into gaming, I'd love to try that WWII one, Bolt Action.
I've seen X-Wing being played, it looked really fun!
I used to play X-Wing first edition & I loved it. My LFGS used to have monthly events which attracted good numbers. I moved away for a year for work and when I moved back 2nd edition had dropped (which required people to rebuy all their cards) which seems to have killed the game in my area.
Before making any purchases I'd look in to seeing if there's much of a community for the game or if any of your friends would be interested in picking it up with you.
If there are people in your area playing see if someone will give you a demo game to see if you like it.
IMO what we call now "toxic" earlier we just called "frustrated"
I saw a comment calling people "toxic" in response to just basic criticism of Warhammer+ on instagram a while back, these are probably the same people that say "thats offensive" as if its some kind of argument.
@@John.AR.Activism ""thats offensive" as if its some kind of argument." isn't that quote from dr Richard Dawkins ? :)
@@DiavloPL Na, Christopher Hitchens.
@@John.AR.Activism yup, thats it.
I found that this is a bigger problem inn RPGs rather then 40k. Yet people seem to pay more attention to Warhammr for some reason.
I have seen a lot of people claiming that women are being kept out of the hobby because there aren't very women who play. I have seen quite a few people suggest that this makes hobby spaces unsafe for women. In my experience, the reality is the exact opposite. Venue trip over themselves to get more women playing. People are very accommodating to any woman who shows any interest at all. They certainly aren't unsafe. No one is. Hobby spaces are some of the safest places around.
I've been following you for a few months now but I had no idea you were so based lmao.
Honest Question: Does calling out the larger community (online only) for playing with grey models count as gatekeeping? (Not directly to any one person). I’m very passionate about this aspect but have been accused of “gatekeeping” because I’m honest about it. If I volunteer to help people paint does that atone for my gatekeeping?
I was going to ask a similar question but about 'can't have female space marines.' Because I would have called that gate keeping
I wouldn't call it gatekeeping, it is marketed as part of the hobby
I actually have a book called "The Civilized Guide to Tabletop Gaming", and it specifically says to bring it painted if you're into miniatures games. x)
most "toxic" people i encountered where: tryhard tournament MEtA chaser wanabes // "fans" that start the conversation with :" well i love the hobby but this and that needs to change because i/or someone that isnt in the hobby is offended!"
One of the players in our local Store actually refuses to play females, but for the reason that he has Gynophobia (actually showed the store owner the psych. attestation, from what i know he was abused or something) and his friends help him with the issue but he just cant play or even talk with a female player, i think that is extremely sad.
9:22 “no one WAS bothering me but now you are”
Good...good let the hate flow through you...
Is refusing to play with person brings an army with political symbols and flags painted it gatekeeping or housekeeping? What if they keep posting their army with political symbols on an online hobby group with rules against real world politics and the the admins don't do anything.
I have seen this a lot
Northern Exile actually made a video that mentioned this! A dude had a communist themed Imperial Guard army and Northern had to tell him he can't field it in the store.
Are Bronies still a thing? Haven't seen one in years.
Also as for gatekeeping in the way the online world describes it, only had it in Magic. Someone legit told me they'd burn my deck. For 40k though no ones told me I can't play because of x or y.
Few cases of people just awkward, inappropriate and disgusting. That's a different kind of gatekeeping though. That's just unappealing.
There should be another word for it, but what people talk about online and what happens IRL are not the same thing.
I think the closest, because I don't know what to call it, is far more blatant attempts of cheating I experience then those around me. That's totally a thing and frustrating.
Bronies are still a thing, but a lot of them grew up and the ones I happen upon online mostly are just furies with a thing for horses. They also have been expelled from most mainstream places.
You used one of my favorite terms “Fucktard” to describe some of my least favorite people/groups. Thank you. Also, huge corporations trying to be down with the “progressive cause” makes me physically sick!
Thank you for not being afraid to call out BLM as a radical group who are not helping.
I don’t think this dude has been in the US that long so I don’t see how he would have a trustworthy opinion on a movement that originated and mostly is in the US
@@qwer9676 I don't think this dude is in the US at all, but I don't see why that would prevent him from forming a legitimate opinion on the movement. As someone from the US who witnessed the havoc and destruction, they caused to communities in my home state in the name of 'protest', I think he hit the nail on the head by labeling them 'radical and extreme'.
@@123Billygoatman123 he’s outside looking in so I don’t really trust that also the people looting were just opportunists and don’t reflect the movement or cause as a whole
@@123Billygoatman123 also worth noting blm isn’t a movement with a head group it’s just a movement
they are helping....themselves to mansions and tax evasion.
"Is anyone bothering you?"....."Yes, you are...."
I love women in our hobby. Not because I'm trying to be a creepy incel or anything, but I know how fun this hobby is and I want people to join and enjoy it, no matter if they're men or women. I know that one of the chief things that dissuades women is when they come to the store and are met by a bunch of creepy neckbeards who treat them differently because they're women.
One of my favorite gaming opponents is a woman. One day, a guy came up to her laden with a couple of hundred dollars worth of product for a new army she was starting. "Here, here's a gift from me." I thought that was pretty creepy behavior, personally. She has a good looking SO and would have zero interest in this guy. I figure he has way more money than sense.
If we had more gatekeeping the hobbies we love wouldn't have such depravity and idiocy destroying and ruining the universes..
No we the the ones at fault. The grimdark universe of the 40th millennium is too grimdark. We need to get with the times!
/sarcasm
Oh the white knighting.
The only reason I even like my little pony is because I have a 13 year old daughter and that was her show and it had good moral messages in the show. So that is the only reason I would consider my self a bronie is because I was forced to watch it and had good times with my daughter.
And you went and said something that showed me this channel isn't for me. Good luck in everything.
It’s not a toxic hobby it just has a few who very much ruin it for the many
This, right here.
There are so many lovely, supportive, wonderful people in it.
The unfortunate flip side to this is the toxic ones tend to stand out as they are very rare, especially in store.
I’m sure you’ve met plenty of normal male fans of MLP. They just don’t make it so much a part of their personality that it didn’t come up.
Glad you spoke out about gw's weird approach/virtue signaling.
From a business perspective, It's really not that weird- it's using current in events as marketing towards a specific demographic.
Most companies do it- the classic example is a rainbow logo during pride.
@@starlettdragon you don't have to market towards ppl not being pieces of fascist garbage, and there aren't really that many ppl bringing Nazi ideology into hobby shops. It's cringe.
Gw almost sounded like they were aligning themselves with blm, as the host of this channel noted. blm are domestic terrorists who caused billions of dollars in damage and numerous deaths last summer
@@dtps_champion6016 Its still marketing.
Every company does this, projecting the values of the company in the way that will attract the business from the people they want, and vice versa. Happens across evey industry.
If you disagree with a stance they take or feel it's not relevant, you are not in the demographic they are trying to attract.
In the end it's all business decisions made way higher up the chain, by people looking at statistics and focusing on the overall brand image, than the individual stores.
@@dtps_champion6016 It was in response to a specific event that happened at a GW sponsored tournament in Spain were some loser turner up dressed in Waffen SS regalia.
Seems like standard corporate PR exercise to me.
When it comes to stuff like that the best way to win is not to play
Yes, yes, three times yes, I agree with you in every sentence. But one of the most toxic things in the environment, and in the Warhammer zone, is some kind of GW policy .... All the newspapers, magazines they have published over the years or now the Internet channel, to cut it short, GW will act like there is no other company in the industry but them. ... Fun, grotesque, scary etc. I understand that the company will take care of "theirs", but literally for years they probably consider their fans to be less intelligent than gray plastic ... Maybe it colors it all a bit, and at the same time it moves the part of the brain that cannot ignore it.
5. *FUCKING P R E A C H*
Hey wait I've seen that cyber punk background from a different RUclipsr
Like i totally get getting upset and frustrated with dice rolls cause that shit happens and that shit does suck but at least just get annoyed with the dice and not the opponent cause thats not there fault. Luck can be a fickle asshole sometimes but dony take out your frustration on your opponent.
Man, mentioning bronies is kind of a hit below the belt lmao. Though, to be fair, as someone who's been involved with it for 10 years, there are some seriously weird people in it.
Weird? Thats one word for paedophiles I guess.
@@John.AR.Activism Wow, aren't you clever calling people who like a cartoon pedophiles. GW stores are "high risk" as per the police for child sexual abuse, so I guess that warhammer players are a bunch of pedos too, huh?
@@malefic5254 Warhammer isn't for little girls... 'My little pony' is, what a terrible analogy.
@@John.AR.Activism So because it's not marketed specifically to little girls, it's not "for" them? It's for anyone, regardless of the marketing. Anyone can enjoy it. Anyone can enjoy just about anything.
@@malefic5254 Maybe i should have worded that better, yes the hobby is for anyone of course, but its not aimed at little girls like my little pony is.
I used to play warhammer and never had a problem. Then again I’m not a bitch and would call anyone at anytime. For the most part people were cool.
damn dude, r u sure u dont secretly like MLP ?
Based
From a curious perspective, do you have any particular political views or are you bipartisan ?
Dude when my kids have been into my little pony and watched it nonstop yes I watched it with them and yea I enjoyed it, it does not make you sinister to enjoy it
difference between that (people who watch the show/like the show, especially with kids) and what he was talking about. There is a reason there is such a reaction across the board with the type of "men" NE is speaking of. Perhaps you haven't encountered said people in person, but I have and to a one they do strike me as very much the type of people you would best go far out of your way to keep your kids away from. Its also worth bringing up here as this hobby attracts children and raising awareness among fellow hobbyists helps keep them safe.
@@kingofsicily I was about to reply but saw this so...I guess you did it for me xD
40k is PIGS IN SPACE! lol Warhammer fantasy is where its at,bronie
Yeah I got to agree leave politics at the door and I have known a few Manchildren in the hobby, ok I am not the perfect human but at least have some dignity at least these guys could try get some help as you say, I think the worst thing its to do with mental health especially how their parents treat them, I have known guys who their parents do everything for them, basically baby them and not let them find their own way in the world.
The gatekeeping that I have witnessed is refusal to play people with unpainted armies or badly painted armies. And the judgemental demeaning comments that come along with it. That is most certainly a form of gatekeeping.
Yeah thats definitely not cool, i understand some venues require fully painted for tourney play but if youre just doing a casual competitive game that shit aint cool, there are periods of time where i just cant get any painting done because of several factors in my life, that shouldnt prohibit me from actually playing the game ive spent thousands upon thousands on (i dont have a problem i swear >.>)
@@afireinsidebrad I agree with you. I suppose I am guilty of gatekeeping in one sense. I am not keen about playing people with armies of ponies, lego and other such oddities. It no longer feels like the game I signed on for. I don't preach and judge the fellows who do this. It just isn't for me.
I don't know what your bronies look like, I've mainly been around cleanly shaved and showered people. Professional, organised people who work hard and like to party when the week is out. I have a few hobbies, including 40k and consuming a number of medias, and you'll see me around the gaming table either with my office shirts or any number of geeky shirts, some of which include ponies.
It usually coaxes out a laugh out of the other dudes, we throw around a couple of meaningless insults, not taking shit or offense, and go on playing a nice game of dice while doing strange voices with thick aggressive accents. The pony shirt is just another joke you can throw around, there's nothing serious going on at a game table. It's all ridiculous, we love every minute of it, and we need no help being propped up or anything.
That's most of us. What you describe is the geeky nerd type, which you'll find across all convention cultures (Ponies, comics, sci-fi, anime...). Socialy awkward types who find refuge in escapism, focussing on make believe worlds they can appreciate with other people, and who have so little going on in their lives otherwise that they eventually get funnelled into the little niches in which they find joy, and let them define their entire existence. Bronies have them because we're largely a non threatening bunch and we have the same kind of mending relations with them as the ones you describe within the Warhammer hobby, but again it's not specific to any one community. I've seen pure bred 40k players with the traits you describe. They generally mean well, and are quite agreable when you get them to open up. That's generally the first step they achieve within a hobby and that goes on opening new horizons for them as they experiment with new people and things. They're just kids inside, be nice to them and they'll thank you for it. You'll even get a few good games out of them with patience, just remember there's people under the grime.
Equating BLM with Proud Boys is a very strange opinion to have.
Yeah, the Proud Boys are mostly harmless.
I don't see why, theyre both at extreme opposite ends of the political spectrum. After that trump supporter was murdered by some antifa type in Portland the very same night a BLM supporter said with a megaphone "im not sad a fascist died tonight" to the resounding cheers.
Yep, one has an actual body count, one doesn’t.
Wait.. women play 40k?
Controversial but I feel the same about people who watch anime as we do Bronies.
How about people who take this hobby and lore way to seriously?
I'm so fucking tired of people who you can't even mention Orks near without getting "DAKKA! DAKKA! DAKKA!" shouted in your face. Or even worse, when you play something that isn't Space Marines and get called a "Filthy Xeno!"
LOL, this is the reason I moved on to computer gaming. 😉
I disagree with your making a dichotomy between "gatekeeping" and "housekeeping" given in virtually all use of the term is with gatekeeping being used for what you defined housekeeping as.
lol and never refer to a toxic player as 'knave' at all costs.....ruclips.net/video/7SGBWcbf5XM/видео.html
:D
I feel like you are just going round in circles now with the GW stories, repeating the same stuff with not a lot new to say.
Dude,.. this presentation seems to be just you more or less slagging of your once clientele . I have no idea how true any of it is , I haven't been in a GW store in thirty years ,myself. Still , clearly this is stuff close to your heart so I can assume that it's all stuff you've seen and experienced .
I must say that , being honest , what you are saying here is totally reenforcing a lot of stereotypes that a many people in general hold about Warhammer players. Just saying.
I see you clearly missed the overwhelmingly positive hobby video just before this one where I said I was going to do a 'good' and 'bad' style of video. I suggest you head over and watch it :) And if you have already watched it...I think you missed the point of what this video was trying to do as a counter balance of the really positive video.
As to stereotypes, have a look at the comments section of this video and you can see other people have experienced very similar things. In fact some of the comments make my experiences seem tame xD Thank you for the feedback!
@@northernexile No, thank you. You are right, I did not see that other video. I have seen some of your other stuff but for this one you could think of me as a clean slate , if you will. I guess I was just pointing out that RUclips is very a public forum and that not all your viewers are going to be hobbyists , or at least not active hobbyists. Some people might get the wrong idea, or take the wrong message away,... it's just a thought, no more.
I don't get the T-shirt thing but you know I understand your country doesn't have freedom of expression so guess that's more of a difference in culture I guess.
Is freedom of expression being offensive to people?
@@LPvid2024 yes, no one person should be allowed to define what's offensive for anyone else. What's offensive for one isn't for another. Makings laws to ban offensive anything leads to oppression upon cultures small and big that disagree. There for it's better for people to work there problems out civil and socially, instead of through law and hate In my opinion
I have to disagree with the BLM opinions. The BLM movement was only put together to bring notion to the fact that Police brutality against minorities were greater and to bring more awareness that Police officers are overworked, and given WAY to much to handle. From going to people who are mentally ill and instead of helping them, the officer on duty shoots the person having a mental crisis. There has been so many cases come to light about something like this. There are bad people in BLM who take it to far, but the overall goal of BLM is to provide better social structures that take care of people.
Lots of right-wing propaganda gets spread about BLM too
Agreed. I think it’s very unfair to compare it as the “left-wing version of Nazi”. Because the latter is outright a hate group compared with a group with a just cause that has hateful people in - honestly very similar to Warhammer has a hobby in that one respect - a group getting slandered due to minority
@@HistoritorJimaldus Like how the BLM website made it pretty clear they're a Marxist front organization?
@@stormisuedonym4599 sounds like you just fell for some right-wing bs
@@HistoritorJimaldus No. I just happen to know what I'm talking about and look past the pleasant veneer to what they were really doing and what they put as their mission statements.
You should try it some time.
Enjoyed most of your stories about the hobby and some lore insights... but then you went off spouting RW conspiracy BS about the BLM movement? Yeah sorry dude I have no patience for ignorance like that. Later, and I hope you fix whatever it is that is broken.
The only problem I have only seen in 40k recently is jealousy towards another player. I have seen guys get upset because a gaming buddy would have a much better painted army, or a guy sees how to play the game differently making him above average player with good tactical mind. My only problem is not knowing how to address or mention this out loud in a positive way.