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I've owned an FF for just approaching 2 years and 17K miles. There is nothing I could replace it with, including a Lusso. It is awesome. It's huge, parking is an issue particularly in narrow UK parking spaces with very long coupe doors. I'm still on the original PTU and fingers crossed it's not shown any issues to date other than a perished pipe and the small plastic header tank which deteriorates as the car approaches 10 years old. Now there's a decent non factory solution to the PTU failure at around £12K I've decided to no longer bother with warranty and take the car to a specialist. I'm effectively self insuring, but I'm generally someone who prefers preventative maintenance rather than waiting for something go bang. I average 12-14 mpg if driving normal roads circa 200 miles on a tank, on a long run it will give 300 miles on a tank. It cruises effortlessly at licence losing speeds. That really is the one issue. I can't really use it, I can't really get close to using anywhere near all of it unless I go to the continent. That's frustrating and if I'm honest it's a small miracle that I still have a driving licence. I just can't bring myself to sell it. The forged wheels are made of chocolate, I have a spare set of four (picked up at an obscure Bonhams on line auction) because I will bend one or two a year, plus lose a few tyres to potholes at the same time. The electrics are very Italian, it's a "feature" in as much as it doesn't like being sat unused and will throw a fit if you've not been in it for a week or so...needy. So I tend to leave mine on a CTEK all the time. The well known Ferrari hard reset generally cures it, (turn off and back on again after a while and it's all happy again). It has the best steering in any car I've ever driven, it hustles down the road in a way a car of this size and weight has no right to. It absolutely needs to be on PS4S tyres though, they completely transformed the handling over the P Zero's that came from the factory. The FF is more "Ferrari" the Lusso is a more comfortable daily as James explains. Personally I feel they got it right first time, to such a degree I bought one.
Thanks for sharing a real world Ferrari experience. Loved the "chocolate forged wheels", perfect description. Good thing you didn't get the standard cast ones. 🤣
Amazing comment. I have an FF since a little bit more than 3 years and I can agree on everything except parking and wheels being an issue. I guess we have better roads in Sweden :) however i’ve had all problems you could have, including PTU, DCT, brake discs, oil/water pump, generator etc. still love it though, it’s totally worth it
Amazing comment, well done, I have had a lot of desirables but whilst not in this league (v12), I lived with a grancabrio - zero issues but now on the market for one of these. Decision to be made, need to investigate this PTU aspect a bit more closely first. Self insure is the way for me as the car will have a few years to its name.
@@steeltrap3800 Unfortunately, he is unlucky. Its a Megane 1.5 Diesel. He gets amazing fuel economy for a few days, and I get the Ferrari experience. We both win.
Recently upgraded to an FF having previously owned an RS6. I must say that I don’t agree with the assessment that the FF is uncomfortable, I think the ride is actually quite comfortable, especially in comparison to the RS6. I would add that I live in Luxembourg so the roads are rather smooth.
I reviewed both FF and GTC. The FF won out for me. Key differences were; FF just felt more honest as a Ferrari. It felt more leathery, I preferred much of the interior, preferred looks (even though I thought I would prefer quad lamps). Negatives to FF were fear over PTU and the media. But no question the FF is more fun. I compromised on panoramic roof but with cream leather headlining accepted the compromise. I have 2 years remaining on factory warranty and accepted the PTU may be an issue at some point. It feels to me that the GTC has been softened to be more of a daily driver where the FF is still a drivers car first. New or second hand I think both are likely to not be the only Ferrari in a persons garage. We haven’t stopped using ours and the kids love watching the movies in the back. The 355 manual is now a toy for me, the FF is the family day tripper!! Incredible value when you consider what new cars now cost!
The PTU will be fine. Change its oil when needed and don't do launches, that will ruin the clutch too. I bet it was user error that brought about these fears.
I completely agree. A 2+2 shooting brake with a high revving na v12 and AWD is the car every self proclaimed "car enthusiast" says they want. But just because of the badge on the front it gets no attention from "car enthusiasts"
GTC4 Lusso is possibly my favourite Ferrari of all time. What a complete package. Has to have the V12 tho, it's not the same with a turbo V8. Absolute dream car that I dearly hope I can own one day and cross the european continent back and forth in.
Interesting video, I've owned a Lusso for 4 months & 2000 miles now and would initially have agreed with @JayEmm about the steering, however I've found the more I drive the car and get used to the steering, the better it gets. It takes time to get confidence in the car, but once you have it, you will be rewarded. It doesn't have the same resposonse as a McLaren which is very race car like, but it's still pretty good. So planning on keeping it as fantastic car.
I have the FF and we have serviced quite a lot. This included a rebuilt PTU and DCT. Also new brakes and discs. And now servicing the injectors. The battery is in a bad spot and gets crazy hot. Probably should replace it once a year or so. It should be relocated to the back. In any case, it should be said that the FF and (V12) GTC4Lusso is essentially the same car. More like a Porsche 991.1 vs a 991.2. The mechanicals are the same with minor variations. That means the PTU concerns will be the same in the GTC4Lusso and they are known to go out at very low mileage (e.g. it can even happen at 8,000-10,000k miles). It's fine. You just need to budget for it. And no, the main dealer doesn't do the PTUs.
The Scaglietti (7:58) "isn't a looker" only at the front (though it's got character) because from the side it's sleek, elegant perfection, and its rear is as beautiful as J.Lo's.
Dear Jay, congrats for another interesting video and looking forward to the v8 review. I had an FF in the past and it was actually a great car. However I found it a kind of "too-multi-purpose" vehicle, and preferred splitting the more or less same amount of money in a Scaglietti (or 456) + another smaller Ferrari. At present I have a 612 and a Cali T so depending upon use, I think I have a better combination....However the magic of these two cars is undoubtedly there...
I really enjoyed this one, James. I bought the FF based on your previous reviews and you were spot on. There is not a car like it and I could not think of replacing it with anything else. I was considering a GTC4Lusso, but I know of how it was calmed down vs the FF, and for that, I think I would be disappointed. However, is there a better 4 seater, 4 door than these two cars? I have driven the Purosangue and it may have improved steering feel vs the GTC4Lusso going by your description. The suspension is magnificent. About the PTU: after having many conversations with Ferrari and specialists about this, I believe the issue is rarer than we previously believed. For sure, if a bi-annual oil change is missed this is not good for the gear box, and the oil is not cheap. I just paid >£800 with some other items to change the PTU oil. So, check that this has not been missed by other owners. Yes, the ceramic brakes are another big item. In my opinion, it is all worth it. The FF is such an event every time I put foot into it. The steering is a delight and nothing gives me such joy as when I'm on an empty road and pointing the front wheels around bends.
@maximravinet9950 And what would be the next best cars? The Panamera is at least a nice cruiser. The AMR Rapide V12 is a little different, then the M5 CS perhaps the most practical.
@@Spenny909 the panamera is great but the FF is in another league. M5 CS is awesome but not worthy of an FF in my view (haven't driven either). The rapide maybe, I don't know it that well
GTC lusso is the first Ferrari in I don’t know how many years I’ve actually hankered after, possibly since 288gto. I’ll keep the “twitch and you’re through the hedge” steering” for the smaller V8 mid engined cars and things like the F12 - stuff I’d expect that response from.
Both fantastic cars! For me the FF is the original, it sounds great and the interior is just a bit nicer. I chose two FFs over one GTC4 - I love them both madly!
I went Lusso. I like the FF but Lusso a bit newer which means Ferrari warranty and a couple year free servicing. The whine at 70mhp is a bit annoying. But, FF is a lot of car for the money. PS disagree with you on the steering - no issues for me, it’s not meant to be a sports car! I find the modern Ferrari’s way too over reactive.
I like cars primarily because of passion and going to places with the people I love. If life treated me well, a gtc4lusso would basically satiate all of my cravings. What an spectacular car, it checks all the boxes for any enthusiast who has a family
I went for a Lusso and full novitec exhaust, which really overrides any concern if the FF would have been more exciting to drive. That combo is the best of all.
Wait. So you can buy it without the complex unreliable AWD system by getting the V8? That seems the best solution in the used market. It’s a family car. A big estate car. Stop expecting it to feel like a sports car. What a great GT car for America.
@@harryarteza3435 Isn't that exactly the point they're making, that it's not something people ought to EXPECT to be 'brutally' fast? Compared with the vast majority of cars on the road, I'm guessing it's still a LOT quicker and certainly has a greater top end (not that it can be used legally in most countries).
@@harryarteza3435 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. top speed is over 200 MPH. over 600 hp. I'm not seeing a problem here. sure the v12 is a v12, but this is more than enough for anyone.
I have a white FF that I am currently ‘toying with’ exporting to the UK from South Africa, as opposed to offloading here and buying there… this video has given me food for thought
I love 2+2 GTs so I lust the after the Lusso. And to be fair, every 2+2 Ferrari has been a depreciation poster child. Going to say it now; these are 100% future classics.
I think the V12 Lusso is THE CAR. Is still very modern, It has a 8000+ rpm V12, comes with a very inteligent and light AWD system, it's amazingly practical, and (in my opinion), it's sharp edges make it look better than the FF. What else do you need?
I own an 812 and a V12 Lusso. My bond with the Lusso is stronger, overall it’s a masterpiece, does everything - a rich man’s RS6. Likely the best car ever made, with the 812 coming close behind amongst a few others…. 😊
Hi J.M. Thanks for the video. Sometimes it's just good to hear a familiar voice and this is/was one of those times, so thanks a lot for that. Also the video was great as always but honestly the content was secondary this time. Hope you take that as i mean it (positively) and thanks again. Keep up your good work please 👍
A great review. I have a Lusso in similar color Bianca Italia white with black wheels. I agree with everything you said, including the lack of steering wheel, which is disappointing but not horrible. I purchased it one year ago with 20,000 miles on it and put 24,000 miles on it in 11 months with no problem whatsoever. I have the original PTU
You mentioned the infotainment, and if I remember correctly, Chris Harris said the infotainment in his FF was "pants." I'd choose the Lusso, but it is long. I mean, here in the US we used to refer to big American sedans as "boats," but this is actually longer the boat we owned when I was growing up.
Thanks James. I'm looking forward to the LussoT review. I massively covet one as a long-term weekend GT... the Ferrari specialness with comfort/practicality and with the simpler & lighter powertrain that feels like it'd be an easier ownership experience. But then you hear a V12...
Having driven a good amount in the V12 and V8 Lusso, the V8 is by miles the better car. Going back to the V12 feels like you’ve got an elephant sat on the front, the V8 is just as fast and more usable, (without the torque steer no one mentions) is better on fuel, and sounds better to me also. Favourite modern Ferrari model. Bombing a country road with three passengers sat comfortably is a wild experience ❤
@richardharrold9736 not at all - I had the same V8 in the 488gtb also, it’s manic on the limit, and tractable and usable in pretty much any condition. Clever Ferrari mapping means you still rev it out - the F8 tributo lost this though in quest for higher numbers. Reason it won 4 straight engine of the year awards.
I haven't driven any of them, but logic would have it that the lighter V8 with no PTU in front would be the better drive. ..but it's a turbo V8, where as the V12 is a Ferrari V12. Ferrari V12 > the rest. Everything's a compromise. A four cylinder fast Golf is likely a better car than a VR6 Golf, but I'd have the VR6. The modern Volvos are, dodgy quality aside, a better handling car, but I'd take a five cylinder older gen for the warble, OR the V8 S80. That's the beauty of this world. Different strokes for different folks 🙂
Did you test a pre-2018 car? I did and the steering was too light and not precise. Ferrari improved steering as from 2018. I tested a 2018 car and it had much more weight to it, and more precision. I bought the 2018 one and I am totally happy with it!
Wow, is this true? I was not aware of that. Is that something that can be fixed by authorized dealer? I have a 2017 and not happy with the steering feel
@@ThomasRuzicka-b2h I just had my 2017 Lusso serviced at AD in SLC and asked if there were ANY differences in the steering components or software between 2017 and 2018 and they checked with Ferrari, and unequivocally said ZERO differences
Nice video as always, thanks. As the mid 80's through to late 90's covered my late teens through 20's, I've never been much of a Ferrari fan. I preferred Porsche with its greater practicality and VERY significantly lower prices (not that I was buying either). The 'sorts' of people driving each of the big three (these two plus Lambos) here in Australia probably skewed things, too, LOL. Nothing much has altered my opinion there, although I'm not a fan of just how relatively bloated (and normal) the 911 has become. As you'd know, the earlier ones, especially air-cooled, were surprisingly small and light by comparison. I got to drive two versions (2.7 Carrera and 3.3 Turbo) quite a bit in my late teens/early twenties, courtesy of a friend's very generous (and all round remarkably interesting) father, but I was naturally inclined towards the 911. As an aside, who didn't find the 959 at least fascinating/remarkable when it appeared, if not love it? For all that rambling, however, there are two things about Ferraris that usually are undeniable: First of all, they're beautiful; even something like this Lusso that needs to be a bit chunky in the rear to accommodate proper rear seats looks delicious from many angles (unsurprisingly, I like the old school rear lights and the quad pipes). Secondly, lord that V12 soundtrack is glorious and doubtless worth a few 10,000's of pounds/dollars, LOL. They certainly appear to have remained true for the Lusso.
Oh yes, the perfect replacement for my 2011 Opel Astra Sports Tourer. I just need to win a lottery and we are good to go xD But jokes aside, I love that Ferrari...
I had never thought about it but ur right, only Ferrari model ever available with 2 different engines! For much much cheaper to buy and maintain, I’m thinking 2016-2017 Rapide S? 4 seats, reliable V12, brand cachet…a deal 😉
ferrari is artwork...your comment about the steering is true...my homura mx5..move the wheel a mm and the front end goes the equivalent.. ferrari designis excellent.. would i have one even if i could afford...no.
@@JayEmmOnCars sorry James I have to disagree! Love the channel, especially the fleet updates they’re so interesting (even the 550 ❤️)! Great video as always
The wagonish looks hurts them in that regard. Anything with utility gets lots of purist sports car snobs out of the game. Let's hope they spring back, 'cause they are quite lovely.
Having tried both the FF & the Lusso, I'm convinced Ferrari screwed up somehow in the design phase, and got the bodies swapped between the two models. Somehow, the FF got the elegant body with the aggressive suspension & steering, while the Lusso got the luxurious suspension & steering, but with the aggressive body style. As a result, neither car really hit the target, not knowing if it wanted to be an elegant grand tourer, or a practical sportscar. It's a pity really. The FF could've been a great GT if it had the Lusso's running gear, and the Lusso could've been a great sports-tourer had it had the FF's running gear, but as produced, neither reached its true potential...
Had 4 wheel steer on a couple of Nissan R32 Skylines and Laurals iv owned ,there is ran off the power steering pump then to the steering rack and then rear rack thats adds bit of toe in the rear ,just felt wierd and you could feel it on off chopping during corners ,yep pull the lot off ,fit fixed 33 subframe ,same for steering rack ,block off a out let on PS pump and now beautiful and predictible on hi speed corners and prob saved 25 ish kg from all the pipes and racks gobbins
I sooo badly wish they made a 4 door version of this (and the FF as well). And called it the GTC4 Venice. I refuse to believe that it wasn't possible for them to have sold a bucket load of those
You talk about the steering. The dulled it down because it’s a four seat GT not an F12. I would much rather have the Lusso v12 in TDF Blue or Blue Potsi
I think there's one GTC4Lusso sold in UK finished in a special colour called Rosso Cordoba (a dark multi-layered burgundy-ish red) with black and Testa di Moro ('Cod's head'? It's dark brown) natural leather interior. It looks stunning. Weirdly I saw one in Giallo Triplo Strato with blue interior and it's nowhere near as shocking as I thought it would be for what is supposed to be an elegant car. Shame they have to kill the Lusso to make place for Purosangue. It is a good car, the Purosangue, but I don't think it has anywhere near the elegance of the Lusso or even the FF.
Recently I saw one of these machines in person and wow, it was a big thing. In grey it could have been a Nimitz. Maybe I'm too old school, but a 412 would be more for me - which I can't afford either. I'll stick with my old Benz.😎
Whilst I'm not interested in the far majority of modern Ferrari models (after the mid 90s), but I think the Purosangue is a complete insult to the Ferrari nameplate.
Absolutely. It looks like some sort of shoe/trainer. And it's probably hideously expensive to maintain. IMO, The only Ferraris worth getting were the ones that were made when Enzo was still alive. Then quality and designs started to get really bad and fiddly. In no way should basic service on an ITALIAN car ( which you need to constantly wrench on to keep running ) require taking the engine out or replacing absurdly expensive parts for no good reason.
I'd like an FF with the front drivetrain professionally disconnected. To my knowledge, that takes about 90% of the financial risk of the car away in one motion.
It's absurd when a $55,000 USD (new) 5th generation Camaro ZL1 with a 6.2 L supercharged V8 and 589 HP is more economical at 12 L / 100 km on the highway and 13.2 - 16 L / 100 km combined than a Ferrari, and one gets a six speed manual...
So well-timed! I am about to purchase either an FF or Lusso V12. Leaning toward the Lusso. Have a 458 spider for a fun car, and a Ford Police Interceptor (explore) for projects, mountain biking or more rugged activities. I was leaning toward the Lusso b/c it seemed to be a bit quieter for the passengers, a more modern infotainment and cabin layout. Sort of a 2nd generation FF. Also thinking a well spec'd Lusso V12 might hold its value a little more. Would you go Lusso V12, Lusso T, or FF, knowing you already have a spider and a true suv? Thanks!
Sounds like you've got a great car for the weekend fun and a great SUV for hauling stuff and adventurous activities. A comfortable, 4 seat, stylish 200 mph gentleman's cross-continent missile that is the V12 Lusso seems like the perfect addition! The FF has much stiffer suspension and you're already getting that experience with the 458 and the Lusso T just isn't the same without the V12 (and also how would you make it to the fancy, snowy, alpine skiing retreat without the AWD system? ... what a problem to have by the way haha). The downsides of the V12 Lusso that is the steering feel in corners and over all being a bit more daily driver than driver's car compared to an FF for example is something that would matter much more if it was the only fun car, but with a 458 parked next to it, it seems like not a meaningful trade off at all considering the comfort improvements over an FF. I might be slightly biased though as I personally think the V12 GTC4 Lusso is one of the coolest cars in the world :)
If only Ferrari still offered a manual and let the car be more fun.... World needs fun shooting brakes based of coupes. Maybe even something more budget. It wouldnt hurt if Mazda or Toyota made such based of MX-5 or GR86. Perfect daily toys and if it were budget it wouldnt be worrysome nor intimidating and with little to no sacrifice in any aspect.
Oh yes a White GTC4 Lusso... Just take my money! That's the prancing horse for me, although I'm not in love with the interior spec. I actually had a go in a black one with tan leather here in Australia and I almost, almost went home with it. I've just never had a car or motorcycle on finance and although the deal was very attractive (as was the saleswoman, although I think that was a strategic thing) I just couldn't pull the trigger. Having debt stresses me out more than having money, which I'm still getting used to.
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That hatch is *horribly* misaligned.
James, a good friend's Ferrari! First recognised it by his tattoos! Then I saw the Reg plate!
I too couldn't decide between the Lusso and the FF which is why i decided to stick with my 2012 Volvo. 👍
Highly relatable
What Volvo is the real question
@@samkrahn2867V70 D5 SE Lux.
There's a good chance, depending on what Volvo precisely, it's a way cooler ride than this.
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13It's a V70 D5. 😁
Still, better than a SUV...
Agreed, and if I wanted an expensive one, why not a W12 Bentaga (BUV)?
Agreed. The Purasangue is one ugly mofo.
Not as practical though and definitely not competent enough on bad roads with hills
I've owned an FF for just approaching 2 years and 17K miles. There is nothing I could replace it with, including a Lusso. It is awesome. It's huge, parking is an issue particularly in narrow UK parking spaces with very long coupe doors.
I'm still on the original PTU and fingers crossed it's not shown any issues to date other than a perished pipe and the small plastic header tank which deteriorates as the car approaches 10 years old. Now there's a decent non factory solution to the PTU failure at around £12K I've decided to no longer bother with warranty and take the car to a specialist. I'm effectively self insuring, but I'm generally someone who prefers preventative maintenance rather than waiting for something go bang.
I average 12-14 mpg if driving normal roads circa 200 miles on a tank, on a long run it will give 300 miles on a tank. It cruises effortlessly at licence losing speeds. That really is the one issue.
I can't really use it, I can't really get close to using anywhere near all of it unless I go to the continent. That's frustrating and if I'm honest it's a small miracle that I still have a driving licence. I just can't bring myself to sell it.
The forged wheels are made of chocolate, I have a spare set of four (picked up at an obscure Bonhams on line auction) because I will bend one or two a year, plus lose a few tyres to potholes at the same time.
The electrics are very Italian, it's a "feature" in as much as it doesn't like being sat unused and will throw a fit if you've not been in it for a week or so...needy. So I tend to leave mine on a CTEK all the time. The well known Ferrari hard reset generally cures it, (turn off and back on again after a while and it's all happy again).
It has the best steering in any car I've ever driven, it hustles down the road in a way a car of this size and weight has no right to. It absolutely needs to be on PS4S tyres though, they completely transformed the handling over the P Zero's that came from the factory.
The FF is more "Ferrari" the Lusso is a more comfortable daily as James explains. Personally I feel they got it right first time, to such a degree I bought one.
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Thanks for sharing a real world Ferrari experience. Loved the "chocolate forged wheels", perfect description. Good thing you didn't get the standard cast ones. 🤣
Amazing comment. I have an FF since a little bit more than 3 years and I can agree on everything except parking and wheels being an issue. I guess we have better roads in Sweden :) however i’ve had all problems you could have, including PTU, DCT, brake discs, oil/water pump, generator etc. still love it though, it’s totally worth it
Amazing comment, well done, I have had a lot of desirables but whilst not in this league (v12), I lived with a grancabrio - zero issues but now on the market for one of these. Decision to be made, need to investigate this PTU aspect a bit more closely first. Self insure is the way for me as the car will have a few years to its name.
The complimentary design of the tail lights and exhausts is the kind of artistic touch which will always stand the test of time.
I wouldn't tell anyone about winning the lottery, but the GTC4Lusso would be one of the signs.
I was so close to buying this. But at the end settled with a 2013 Toyota Yaris hybrid
Just returned from a 1000 mile road trip in my FF, my god its a great car, full exhaust system is a must, absolutely livens the experience up!
Exchange for my Renault Megane for a few days? ;)
That’s awesome! Want one so bad, I might sell a corvette for one. Yes that bad! Cool car
@@grtbgf Is it a Megane Trophy? :)
@@CTP1111 LOL, I admire the attitude that suggests you're not dismissing the idea outright. That's a genuine car nerd's instinct right there.
@@steeltrap3800 Unfortunately, he is unlucky. Its a Megane 1.5 Diesel. He gets amazing fuel economy for a few days, and I get the Ferrari experience. We both win.
Recently upgraded to an FF having previously owned an RS6. I must say that I don’t agree with the assessment that the FF is uncomfortable, I think the ride is actually quite comfortable, especially in comparison to the RS6. I would add that I live in Luxembourg so the roads are rather smooth.
agree my FF is very comfy on the road
I reviewed both FF and GTC. The FF won out for me. Key differences were; FF just felt more honest as a Ferrari. It felt more leathery, I preferred much of the interior, preferred looks (even though I thought I would prefer quad lamps). Negatives to FF were fear over PTU and the media. But no question the FF is more fun. I compromised on panoramic roof but with cream leather headlining accepted the compromise. I have 2 years remaining on factory warranty and accepted the PTU may be an issue at some point. It feels to me that the GTC has been softened to be more of a daily driver where the FF is still a drivers car first. New or second hand I think both are likely to not be the only Ferrari in a persons garage. We haven’t stopped using ours and the kids love watching the movies in the back. The 355 manual is now a toy for me, the FF is the family day tripper!! Incredible value when you consider what new cars now cost!
The PTU will be fine. Change its oil when needed and don't do launches, that will ruin the clutch too. I bet it was user error that brought about these fears.
Intro on point. I’m same same. FF vs GT4Lusso. They both look as good as each other.
Since its debut, I’ve believe that this is the greatest car ever released. That hasn’t diminished at all. Money no object this would be my first buy.
I completely agree. A 2+2 shooting brake with a high revving na v12 and AWD is the car every self proclaimed "car enthusiast" says they want. But just because of the badge on the front it gets no attention from "car enthusiasts"
And not forgetting that it is bloody beautiful!!!
Completely agree. Price no object I would choose this car over any other car available on the market at any time. It checks all the boxes.
Agreed.
Agreed - in dark blue or gun metal grey over a tan interior preferably
Lusso all day. Low key best Ferrari to own. I put a full race exhaust on mine. Sounds incredible.
When I saw one I’m my city, I was about to pis myself. The beauty of this car is unreal, you need to see it irl.
GTC4 Lusso is possibly my favourite Ferrari of all time. What a complete package. Has to have the V12 tho, it's not the same with a turbo V8. Absolute dream car that I dearly hope I can own one day and cross the european continent back and forth in.
Just make sure you've purchased dividend paying shares with Aramco.
Interesting video, I've owned a Lusso for 4 months & 2000 miles now and would initially have agreed with @JayEmm about the steering, however I've found the more I drive the car and get used to the steering, the better it gets. It takes time to get confidence in the car, but once you have it, you will be rewarded. It doesn't have the same resposonse as a McLaren which is very race car like, but it's still pretty good. So planning on keeping it as fantastic car.
I have one and agree
I have the FF and we have serviced quite a lot. This included a rebuilt PTU and DCT. Also new brakes and discs. And now servicing the injectors. The battery is in a bad spot and gets crazy hot. Probably should replace it once a year or so. It should be relocated to the back. In any case, it should be said that the FF and (V12) GTC4Lusso is essentially the same car. More like a Porsche 991.1 vs a 991.2. The mechanicals are the same with minor variations. That means the PTU concerns will be the same in the GTC4Lusso and they are known to go out at very low mileage (e.g. it can even happen at 8,000-10,000k miles). It's fine. You just need to budget for it. And no, the main dealer doesn't do the PTUs.
Spoken like a true petrol head! It is not really fine that any car, let alone a £300K car, will need a £13K repair before its first service!
@@markevans4088 it just needs to be made clear that anyone buying one of these used needs to assume it will need 20-30k in servicing.
No you don't.
I think the Ferrari FF looks more interesting.
Yeah, not a fan of Ferrari at all, but the FF definitely does something for me other Ferrari's don't.
The FF was just different and a risk and a classic for me!
Fascinating watch… I can’t wait to try ones of these. Stunning cars congrats to the owner, one cool Dad 💪
The Scaglietti (7:58) "isn't a looker" only at the front (though it's got character) because from the side it's sleek, elegant perfection, and its rear is as beautiful as J.Lo's.
Dear Jay, congrats for another interesting video and looking forward to the v8 review. I had an FF in the past and it was actually a great car. However I found it a kind of "too-multi-purpose" vehicle, and preferred splitting the more or less same amount of money in a Scaglietti (or 456) + another smaller Ferrari. At present I have a 612 and a Cali T so depending upon use, I think I have a better combination....However the magic of these two cars is undoubtedly there...
White with blue leather on the Lusso seems the way to go. Gorgeous car. Be a fun surf trip car.
I really enjoyed this one, James. I bought the FF based on your previous reviews and you were spot on. There is not a car like it and I could not think of replacing it with anything else. I was considering a GTC4Lusso, but I know of how it was calmed down vs the FF, and for that, I think I would be disappointed. However, is there a better 4 seater, 4 door than these two cars? I have driven the Purosangue and it may have improved steering feel vs the GTC4Lusso going by your description. The suspension is magnificent.
About the PTU: after having many conversations with Ferrari and specialists about this, I believe the issue is rarer than we previously believed. For sure, if a bi-annual oil change is missed this is not good for the gear box, and the oil is not cheap. I just paid >£800 with some other items to change the PTU oil. So, check that this has not been missed by other owners. Yes, the ceramic brakes are another big item. In my opinion, it is all worth it. The FF is such an event every time I put foot into it. The steering is a delight and nothing gives me such joy as when I'm on an empty road and pointing the front wheels around bends.
Not sure there's something substantially better than those cars except maybe a Gemera. And those are not cheap at all
@maximravinet9950 And what would be the next best cars? The Panamera is at least a nice cruiser. The AMR Rapide V12 is a little different, then the M5 CS perhaps the most practical.
@@Spenny909 the panamera is great but the FF is in another league. M5 CS is awesome but not worthy of an FF in my view (haven't driven either). The rapide maybe, I don't know it that well
Alfa Giulia/Stelvio Q? Saves 300-400 kilograms or so and practically has a Ferrari engine.
Nothing can compare to FF (Lusso is the second best), except for Gemera. But that’s a little bit different budget.
GTC lusso is the first Ferrari in I don’t know how many years I’ve actually hankered after, possibly since 288gto. I’ll keep the “twitch and you’re through the hedge” steering” for the smaller V8 mid engined cars and things like the F12 - stuff I’d expect that response from.
Both fantastic cars! For me the FF is the original, it sounds great and the interior is just a bit nicer. I chose two FFs over one GTC4 - I love them both madly!
Trying to convince my wife to get one of these over a Macan. She's not convinced 😂 Hopefully this video will convince her!
get the macan S. I've just bought one, its a fantastic car.
This will drown you in maintenance bills compared to a Macan. If you're prepared for spending 10-15k a year on servicing then sure, go for it.
You should arrange a test drive in both.
Anything is better than an SUV
My FF is pretty much the same exact spec 🙏🏼
Somewhere in the teens.. and I dont mean .. 19. haha! that was funny.
I went Lusso. I like the FF but Lusso a bit newer which means Ferrari warranty and a couple year free servicing. The whine at 70mhp is a bit annoying. But, FF is a lot of car for the money. PS disagree with you on the steering - no issues for me, it’s not meant to be a sports car! I find the modern Ferrari’s way too over reactive.
IMO the GTC4Lusso is a very good looking car. If I had the money the GTC4Lusso T would be the Ferrari I'd want the most.
Yeah, Stevie Wonder shares that opinion.
@@SPC22 And we just heard from the moron gallery.
I like cars primarily because of passion and going to places with the people I love. If life treated me well, a gtc4lusso would basically satiate all of my cravings. What an spectacular car, it checks all the boxes for any enthusiast who has a family
I went for a Lusso and full novitec exhaust, which really overrides any concern if the FF would have been more exciting to drive. That combo is the best of all.
Wait. So you can buy it without the complex unreliable AWD system by getting the V8? That seems the best solution in the used market.
It’s a family car. A big estate car. Stop expecting it to feel like a sports car. What a great GT car for America.
Have you driven one? They are not brutally fast. Quick yes, but not brutal.
@@harryarteza3435 Isn't that exactly the point they're making, that it's not something people ought to EXPECT to be 'brutally' fast? Compared with the vast majority of cars on the road, I'm guessing it's still a LOT quicker and certainly has a greater top end (not that it can be used legally in most countries).
Yep, and in the uk they are amazingly cheap. Used prices have just taken a noticeable dip ! I bought one….
Nah, the v8 has nothing on the v12. And it’s not about the speed either. That v8 engine isn’t a symphony like the v12 is.
@@harryarteza3435 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. top speed is over 200 MPH. over 600 hp. I'm not seeing a problem here. sure the v12 is a v12, but this is more than enough for anyone.
I have a white FF that I am currently ‘toying with’ exporting to the UK from South Africa, as opposed to offloading here and buying there… this video has given me food for thought
Maser GT MCS to FF GTC... I completely understand the logic! Will probably do the same next year.
I love 2+2 GTs so I lust the after the Lusso. And to be fair, every 2+2 Ferrari has been a depreciation poster child. Going to say it now; these are 100% future classics.
I think the V12 Lusso is THE CAR. Is still very modern, It has a 8000+ rpm V12, comes with a very inteligent and light AWD system, it's amazingly practical, and (in my opinion), it's sharp edges make it look better than the FF. What else do you need?
I own an 812 and a V12 Lusso. My bond with the Lusso is stronger, overall it’s a masterpiece, does everything - a rich man’s RS6. Likely the best car ever made, with the 812 coming close behind amongst a few others…. 😊
Hi J.M.
Thanks for the video. Sometimes it's just good to hear a familiar voice and this is/was one of those times, so thanks a lot for that.
Also the video was great as always but honestly the content was secondary this time.
Hope you take that as i mean it (positively) and thanks again.
Keep up your good work please 👍
Having been lucky enough to spend some time in my friends Lusso,it's become the Ferrari I want to own. Saying that I'd be happy with either.
A great review. I have a Lusso in similar color Bianca Italia white with black wheels. I agree with everything you said, including the lack of steering wheel, which is disappointing but not horrible. I purchased it one year ago with 20,000 miles on it and put 24,000 miles on it in 11 months with no problem whatsoever. I have the original PTU
You mentioned the infotainment, and if I remember correctly, Chris Harris said the infotainment in his FF was "pants." I'd choose the Lusso, but it is long. I mean, here in the US we used to refer to big American sedans as "boats," but this is actually longer the boat we owned when I was growing up.
Thanks James. I'm looking forward to the LussoT review. I massively covet one as a long-term weekend GT... the Ferrari specialness with comfort/practicality and with the simpler & lighter powertrain that feels like it'd be an easier ownership experience. But then you hear a V12...
Love the engine, love the looks. Dont like its drive at high speeds, too fidgety without steering feel.
Having driven a good amount in the V12 and V8 Lusso, the V8 is by miles the better car. Going back to the V12 feels like you’ve got an elephant sat on the front, the V8 is just as fast and more usable, (without the torque steer no one mentions) is better on fuel, and sounds better to me also. Favourite modern Ferrari model. Bombing a country road with three passengers sat comfortably is a wild experience ❤
The V8 may be the better car on a country road, but the V12 in a ski resort is something else
@@pierredebug17 can’t comment here, not too much skiing in the shire!
@richardharrold9736 not at all - I had the same V8 in the 488gtb also, it’s manic on the limit, and tractable and usable in pretty much any condition. Clever Ferrari mapping means you still rev it out - the F8 tributo lost this though in quest for higher numbers. Reason it won 4 straight engine of the year awards.
I haven't driven any of them, but logic would have it that the lighter V8 with no PTU in front would be the better drive. ..but it's a turbo V8, where as the V12 is a Ferrari V12. Ferrari V12 > the rest.
Everything's a compromise. A four cylinder fast Golf is likely a better car than a VR6 Golf, but I'd have the VR6. The modern Volvos are, dodgy quality aside, a better handling car, but I'd take a five cylinder older gen for the warble, OR the V8 S80.
That's the beauty of this world. Different strokes for different folks 🙂
sounds like pure copium to me. V12 >>>>
Funny, just today I‘ve Seen one with white wheel. Stunning look 👌
Luckily in the UK some clever technicians can repair the repair-prone 4W drive system and improve its reliability.
Did you test a pre-2018 car? I did and the steering was too light and not precise. Ferrari improved steering as from 2018. I tested a 2018 car and it had much more weight to it, and more precision. I bought the 2018 one and I am totally happy with it!
Wow, is this true? I was not aware of that. Is that something that can be fixed by authorized dealer? I have a 2017 and not happy with the steering feel
@@ScottJordanSeVCEO no idea if there is a fix to that by ferrari
Try a 2018 or 2019 to compare!
@@ThomasRuzicka-b2h I asked my dealer
@@ThomasRuzicka-b2h I just had my 2017 Lusso serviced at AD in SLC and asked if there were ANY differences in the steering components or software between 2017 and 2018 and they checked with Ferrari, and unequivocally said ZERO differences
This is my dream car.
Nice video as always, thanks.
As the mid 80's through to late 90's covered my late teens through 20's, I've never been much of a Ferrari fan. I preferred Porsche with its greater practicality and VERY significantly lower prices (not that I was buying either). The 'sorts' of people driving each of the big three (these two plus Lambos) here in Australia probably skewed things, too, LOL.
Nothing much has altered my opinion there, although I'm not a fan of just how relatively bloated (and normal) the 911 has become. As you'd know, the earlier ones, especially air-cooled, were surprisingly small and light by comparison. I got to drive two versions (2.7 Carrera and 3.3 Turbo) quite a bit in my late teens/early twenties, courtesy of a friend's very generous (and all round remarkably interesting) father, but I was naturally inclined towards the 911. As an aside, who didn't find the 959 at least fascinating/remarkable when it appeared, if not love it?
For all that rambling, however, there are two things about Ferraris that usually are undeniable:
First of all, they're beautiful; even something like this Lusso that needs to be a bit chunky in the rear to accommodate proper rear seats looks delicious from many angles (unsurprisingly, I like the old school rear lights and the quad pipes).
Secondly, lord that V12 soundtrack is glorious and doubtless worth a few 10,000's of pounds/dollars, LOL.
They certainly appear to have remained true for the Lusso.
I prefer this over the new purosangue..
Your shirt sir 👍
I take it, it was a special guest appearance by Michael's hands at the 17:50 mark.
Oh yes, the perfect replacement for my 2011 Opel Astra Sports Tourer. I just need to win a lottery and we are good to go xD But jokes aside, I love that Ferrari...
I thought long and hard between the FF and the Lusso, stuck with the 2015 Tiguan instead!
Er yes the 612 is a looker, very much so 💪
Nice review!
Never got on with my Lusso. Loved the engine. Loved the looks. Whenever I got to a decent road I wished I was in another car. Lasted 6 months.
The FF might have been a better choice for you, the difference is not subtle
I'm not sure if it's the camera angle/lens, but that steering wheel just looks comically chunky. Otherwise, I love it!
I had never thought about it but ur right, only Ferrari model ever available with 2 different engines! For much much cheaper to buy and maintain, I’m thinking 2016-2017 Rapide S? 4 seats, reliable V12, brand cachet…a deal 😉
Consider a Panamera too.
This & the F12 is exactly the Ferrari I'm considering but I'm leaning more to the Lusso, just for daily use & carry the Golf Clubs
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY 2015 FF with Panoramic roof!❤
ferrari is artwork...your comment about the steering is true...my homura mx5..move the wheel a mm and the front end goes the equivalent..
ferrari designis excellent..
would i have one even if i could afford...no.
Great looking car, and just a great design! I’ve always found sporty shooting-breaks very attractive 🙂
I remember when the FF came out and saw a technical diagram of the 4WD system. I still haven't recovered my sanity.
A guy with a 550 calling a 612 ugly. Now I’ve heard everything! 😅
No wonder why, the 612 never really was a looker...
Never heard anyone think the 550 would lose in a beauty contest with a 612
@@JayEmmOnCars sorry James I have to disagree! Love the channel, especially the fleet updates they’re so interesting (even the 550 ❤️)! Great video as always
@@JayEmmOnCars Agreed Jay. The 550 is a timeless design. The 612 is sadly still unresolved and bloated to my eyes.
Beauty is, fortunately, something we will never agree on. Makes more people happy that way, imo.
Neither. Gated manual 612 or 456.
Those are sky rocketing now, so you have company.
I think these cars will make a comeback one day and increase in value
The wagonish looks hurts them in that regard. Anything with utility gets lots of purist sports car snobs out of the game. Let's hope they spring back, 'cause they are quite lovely.
My ultimate daily would be a GTC4Lusso in blue over cream seats. No shields. Super sleeper
Having tried both the FF & the Lusso, I'm convinced Ferrari screwed up somehow in the design phase, and got the bodies swapped between the two models. Somehow, the FF got the elegant body with the aggressive suspension & steering, while the Lusso got the luxurious suspension & steering, but with the aggressive body style. As a result, neither car really hit the target, not knowing if it wanted to be an elegant grand tourer, or a practical sportscar.
It's a pity really. The FF could've been a great GT if it had the Lusso's running gear, and the Lusso could've been a great sports-tourer had it had the FF's running gear, but as produced, neither reached its true potential...
There's some logic to what you say
Had 4 wheel steer on a couple of Nissan R32 Skylines and Laurals iv owned ,there is ran off the power steering pump then to the steering rack and then rear rack thats adds bit of toe in the rear ,just felt wierd and you could feel it on off chopping during corners ,yep pull the lot off ,fit fixed 33 subframe ,same for steering rack ,block off a out let on PS pump and now beautiful and predictible on hi speed corners and prob saved 25 ish kg from all the pipes and racks gobbins
Hmmm, this or a Fiat Multipla… ? Decisions decisions.
The ultimate hot hatch ❤️
Nah. Koenigsegg Gemera is
@@adrianmotet5083 the FF is basically a BMW 1-series on crack😂
Epic review!
How does it compare to the Aston Martin Rapide ? Both 4 seater V12
FF all the way James (not a surprising comment perhaps!)
I sooo badly wish they made a 4 door version of this (and the FF as well). And called it the GTC4 Venice. I refuse to believe that it wasn't possible for them to have sold a bucket load of those
You talk about the steering. The dulled it down because it’s a four seat GT not an F12. I would much rather have the Lusso v12 in TDF Blue or Blue Potsi
They didn't dull it down in the FF. I think it is to do with the four wheel steer
I think there's one GTC4Lusso sold in UK finished in a special colour called Rosso Cordoba (a dark multi-layered burgundy-ish red) with black and Testa di Moro ('Cod's head'? It's dark brown) natural leather interior. It looks stunning. Weirdly I saw one in Giallo Triplo Strato with blue interior and it's nowhere near as shocking as I thought it would be for what is supposed to be an elegant car. Shame they have to kill the Lusso to make place for Purosangue. It is a good car, the Purosangue, but I don't think it has anywhere near the elegance of the Lusso or even the FF.
Recently I saw one of these machines in person and wow, it was a big thing. In grey it could have been a Nimitz. Maybe I'm too old school, but a 412 would be more for me - which I can't afford either. I'll stick with my old Benz.😎
I love these, i know some hate them but I don't.
My Lusso, was very twitchy and nervous, until I had the geometry adjusted, completely different car after that. Loved it until I got the 812 lol
Whilst I'm not interested in the far majority of modern Ferrari models (after the mid 90s), but I think the Purosangue is a complete insult to the Ferrari nameplate.
Absolutely. It looks like some sort of shoe/trainer. And it's probably hideously expensive to maintain. IMO, The only Ferraris worth getting were the ones that were made when Enzo was still alive. Then quality and designs started to get really bad and fiddly. In no way should basic service on an ITALIAN car ( which you need to constantly wrench on to keep running ) require taking the engine out or replacing absurdly expensive parts for no good reason.
I'd like an FF with the front drivetrain professionally disconnected. To my knowledge, that takes about 90% of the financial risk of the car away in one motion.
It's absurd when a $55,000 USD (new) 5th generation Camaro ZL1 with a 6.2 L supercharged V8 and 589 HP is more economical at 12 L / 100 km on the highway and 13.2 - 16 L / 100 km combined than a Ferrari, and one gets a six speed manual...
So well-timed! I am about to purchase either an FF or Lusso V12. Leaning toward the Lusso.
Have a 458 spider for a fun car, and a Ford Police Interceptor (explore) for projects, mountain biking or more rugged activities.
I was leaning toward the Lusso b/c it seemed to be a bit quieter for the passengers, a more modern infotainment and cabin layout. Sort of a 2nd generation FF.
Also thinking a well spec'd Lusso V12 might hold its value a little more.
Would you go Lusso V12, Lusso T, or FF, knowing you already have a spider and a true suv? Thanks!
Sounds like you've got a great car for the weekend fun and a great SUV for hauling stuff and adventurous activities. A comfortable, 4 seat, stylish 200 mph gentleman's cross-continent missile that is the V12 Lusso seems like the perfect addition! The FF has much stiffer suspension and you're already getting that experience with the 458 and the Lusso T just isn't the same without the V12 (and also how would you make it to the fancy, snowy, alpine skiing retreat without the AWD system? ... what a problem to have by the way haha).
The downsides of the V12 Lusso that is the steering feel in corners and over all being a bit more daily driver than driver's car compared to an FF for example is something that would matter much more if it was the only fun car, but with a 458 parked next to it, it seems like not a meaningful trade off at all considering the comfort improvements over an FF.
I might be slightly biased though as I personally think the V12 GTC4 Lusso is one of the coolest cars in the world :)
Thanks, I'll go buy one now./s
Definitely top of my current wishlist! Thanks for the expose.
If only Ferrari still offered a manual and let the car be more fun.... World needs fun shooting brakes based of coupes. Maybe even something more budget. It wouldnt hurt if Mazda or Toyota made such based of MX-5 or GR86. Perfect daily toys and if it were budget it wouldnt be worrysome nor intimidating and with little to no sacrifice in any aspect.
Scary occasional tatoos, great video!
I do like that blue interior!
I would absolutely LOVE a Lusso.
Recently I'm really liking white Ferraris. I like this spec a lot.
FF looks so much better imo
Except for the back. To me it looks like the FF wears a diaper.
@@heiner71 ff front on c4 back would be perfect
I think I’ll stick with my 1988 Ferrari Mondial 3.2QV Coupe! More useable 270bhp and spacious too, for a fraction of the cost.
9:37 - Who dat?! 🤭
The owner probably.
Tat man 😂
Much as i love the channel and the videos when i got to price is thought No!
I considered buying one for driving up north to visit my family in the winter, however I elected to stick with my AMC Eagle Sx4…
F550 maranello and 812 superfast ate the prettiest 😉✌️
I couldn't be happier with my new purasangue.
Oh yes a White GTC4 Lusso... Just take my money!
That's the prancing horse for me, although I'm not in love with the interior spec. I actually had a go in a black one with tan leather here in Australia and I almost, almost went home with it. I've just never had a car or motorcycle on finance and although the deal was very attractive (as was the saleswoman, although I think that was a strategic thing) I just couldn't pull the trigger. Having debt stresses me out more than having money, which I'm still getting used to.