@@mrtoad3582 Ronnie was 296 onstage at 04 O while Markus weighed 280. They both had 24" Arms. Both had same sized Chests. Ronnie had bigger Back and Legs. Markus had bigger Shoulders.
@@mrtoad3582 Maybe you don't personally like Ronnie but both points you mentioned are wrong. Dorian had a 56" Chest/ Back while Ronnie was 60" and Ramy has bigger legs than Ronnie? Ronnie had the biggest legs ever! You better watch this: ruclips.net/video/6R8lmIM8xQ0/видео.html and don't Ronnie look freaky atleast here? ruclips.net/video/Y6S-Zp4bwyI/видео.html
Dorians great but when I watch videos of ronnie on stage I can't even comprehend what Im looking at. I've yet to seen any other bodybuilder that does that!
dorian era insuperable, ronnie coleman compitio en el 96 y 97 junto a dorian yates pero nunca pudo entrar ni siquiera al top 6 mientras que dorian ocupaba el primer puesto, luego para el 98 dorian se lesiona el biceps y se retira y no se presenta al campeonato, es ahi cuando ronnie comienza su reinado
Most muscular - Ronnie Abs and thigh - Dorian Fdb - Ronnie Fls - Dorian Sdc - Ronnie Bls - Dorian Bdb - Ronnie Front relaxed - Ronnie Rear relaxed - Dorian Conditioning n size - Dorian.. So Dorian might win as size and conditioning is most important factor to win and he brought combination of both... It's close but Dorian wins.
REALY?......i mean better maybe, but easy?...c'mon dude, they Are both monsters and the light Is better on Coleman pictures!......My opinion, Coleman wins cuzz of the arms!!!....i mean that Is Dorijan achiliech heal, and Ronny Had one of the Best ARMS in bodybuilding, but the condisioning i give it to Dorian!!!.....What do You think?......AM i went to off?😂❤
its question of preference I would say... for me Coleman is overal better, but I can live with him losing one point to Dorian in this video :D no big deal
front double bicep :King Sidechest :King BACK DOUBLE BICEP :King Rear latspread :King Most muscular :King SIDE TRICEP :the shadow ABS AND thigh :the shadow
@@Scalping_this gyno only effect front double biceps and front relax and its a fact that ronnie smoke dorian in both, and the other chest relate pose his gyno got covered by his crazy chest condition
@@toilaconhaisam3037 if dorian is beating ronnie in front double because his gyno was awful which is dorians worst pose, dorian is winning comparison. Take a different year if you want dorian to lose
@@Scalping_this wth r u drunk bro? Ronnie SMOKE dorian in front double biceps, dorian looked like a melted butter in that pose. Gyno is only a niple not like it ruined his pecs or anything.
Dorian has the better figure, more balanced. Yes the quads are bigger with Ronnie but the calves are way better shaped with Dorian so the legs overall look better to me. The front and back lat spread are more impressive and grainy rock hard muscle with Dorian.
I don't agree, Dorian's legs have always been normal, nothing special, and his giant calves through off the balance. Besides, Ronnie's legs had more vascularity. Dorian has slightly better condition in the back, but he has worse muscle bellies and separation: look at Ronnie's traps in the BLS (@8:57) and you can see the lower pointy insertions
Coleman edges out Yates-- overall. Can't deny it - Yates the calves easily , Ronnie- arms easily , Ronnie chest easily, the back equal... or at least a tie--thigh sweep and size Ronnie, abs it's close, , conditioning Yates , roundness and lines Ronnie------a Christmas tree alone does not alone make a mr olympia
10:03 i don't see how yates can beat coleman in this shot. 6:43 this is still debatable, yates lats are a little bit better, but coleman chest arms shoulders and legs are way better.
Yea Ronnie is just too much mass + conditoning and with superior muscle size and shape. Ronnie’s legs are also bigger and better than dorians . It’s not even debatable
10:03 Dorian is about 10 times harder that Ronnie, take a close look. Dorian also has much better delts and calves wich makes up for the biceps and quads. 6:43 debatable? are you crazy saying that with so many Dorianytes around?
Marx Max Muscle Andreas munzer is harder than dorian.. so he wins this pose by your logic? Ronnie biceps, triceps are 10 times the size of dorians lol ,lats , glutes , hams , are much bigger and arguably show more detail that dorian . can you see those straitions in Ronnie’s lats ?? Wtf that’s alienesque very few guys ever get that kind of thickness and strations .. not even dorian has that in this particular pose and picture . So what’s better size or hardness. Because Ronnie’s never lacked detail. ...am I lying? Both lats on Ronnie got strations wtf that’s crazy
I think the backs of these two guys are of different shapes. Dorian in my view had a skin condition which made him appear to be dry but doesn't make him better. What I have picked up is that the general consensus is that Ronnie is the best bodybuilder of all times.
skin condition? what??? It's called having thin skin and being crazy shredded. Ronnie had thick skin and wasn't as conditioned as Dorian, that's why his skin appeared all shiny and watery (except for glutes and hams)
Skin condition? NO! He was just in extremely good shape. To good parhaps, overdieted and lost a lot of mass last weeks. Look at the black and white pics a couple weeks before 93 Olympia.Ronnie is the best ever but 98/99 is close. Dorian at hes best was bigger then those versions of Ronnie and better conditioned. In 03 however, nobody would touch Ronnie.
Marx, you know damn well the only pose Yates beats Colman In is the side triceps shot.. Ronnie is flat out better in every other pose. I’m saying this as a huge Dorian fan
Ronnie takes it. Better shoulders, biceps, waist, chest, thighs, glutes. Comparable lats, traps, forearms. Yates gets the lower back and calves while also arguably having prettier abs, but that's about it.
I agree brother .. his size alone is far superior . And his conditioning is excellent . If size isnt awarded in bodybuilding , then I guess I got bodybuilding all wrong I was under the impression that size is a factor as much as conditioning if and Ronnie mass+ conditioning is too much for dorian
@Pro life only And I don't see "far better conditioning". I see better conditioning, especially in areas where you don't normally see insane conditioning, but I don't see anything overwhelming.
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In my opinion. 93 Yates is unbeatable. I never was a fan of Ronnie Colemans build. But I respect him and everything he has done in the sport. 2 Great legends.
From listening to the bodybuilders that competed in Yates and Ronnie's era, they said Ronnie's was better and I believe they know best, even lee Haney said Ronnie was better
it was that slightly better conditioning that got him the win, other than that it was a tie for the poses. Dorian won all his shots without a doubt as did Ronnie, so it was very close no matter what. I have a ronnie video for you tomorrow! hope you like , and agree with that one.
it was never...eeeevvver slightly better conditioning from yates.....ive seen these guys all compete and by far and away yates is greatest of all time. mad marx max muscle is absolutely correct in yates as winner
I have Coleman winning this one. Yates has a better tricep, abs (look, not thickness) and calves, that's it. The lighting in some of his pics make him look much granier. The "goon light", from the top, accentuates the shadows. Coleman's are front lit, which washes some detail. I also prefer Ronnie's muscles shape and size everywhere else. He has striations in his front lats, his lats are more symmetrical from the back, better arms, shoulders, pecs, and quads. Both their glutes and hams look awesome, although very differently shaped and displayed. Coleman is more "X" framed, and Yates more Y framed (because of the posing mainly).
I never appreciated Dorian when I younger I actually couldn't believe he won the olympia with such an ugly physique. Once I became a serious competitive bodybuilder I grew to see the true beauty in Yates physique . Yates never had good biceps but his triceps, quads, calves, back and traps were so good it was mathematically impossible to beat him in the mandatories. I honestly believe you need to have stepped on stage as a competitor to truly appreciate Yates conditioning. The suffering necessary to go on stage with Yates level conditioning will put you close to death
It really comes down to how they two would matchup on stage. Symmetry, posing, conditioning, detail aside, you are not taking size into the equation. You have to, and it would have full effect when they are adjacent. That being said, id rather have Yates' physique. I just think Coleman is much more dominant
@@sui6160 he does not know for sure.. Ronnie followed the blue print laid by Dorian.. cutler and others came close to winning.. Dorians opponents participated for second place.
What everyone misses when they say Dorian wins the dryness round is that Dorian indeed has more details in his back and calves - but everywhere else Coleman actually has more details- especially superior separation in arms and shoulders. That- along with bigger size in arms and quads (compared to Dorians bigger calves) gives Coleman a slight advantage IMHO
Oohh Boy, its gonna happen. Good stuff! My predicton: Dorian wins when it all comes down to it. Most body parts cancel each other out. /Forearms/Calves/Tricpes (Dorian) (Biceps, etc..Ronnie) Then u have to look at Raw Quality Mass/Posing/Conditioning/Symmetry/aesthetics/: U have to go with Dorian :)
Jeffrey I love Dorians physique and I agree he has better triceps, calves and forearms but Ronnie destroys him in biceps, chest, shoulder, glutes, quads and hamstrings, I don’t think Dorian can compete with him:/ Dorian wins side tricep and abs and thighs for sure but Ronnie wins side chest, most muscular and front double bicep. As for the back shots regardless of who you think has a better back (I can never make up my mind lol, they’re both so good and so different) Ronnie takes the back shots due to his legs, shoulders and arms. I much prefer the presentation and look of Dorian (he’s my fav modern bodybuilder) but he can’t compete with Ronnie on stage. I always think it’s a shame he was plagued with injury because a fully fit Dorian vs Ronni in 98 would’ve been amazing.
I can see where u comming from. But Max has already spoken. And I agree with him. Yeah his training and maybe pure bad luck stopped his carriere early on. I like that match up in 96. Look at that footage of yates/ray/Ronnie. You could already see the potential. Tonn8ter has a great video on that Olympia
That is exactly right, it is a tie between these two. However, when it comes to conditioning, dorian is slightly better and harder. Awesome comparison, You did very well. I think if dorian had ronnie in his sights he would have maintained more size for the event and beat him. It is close tho, both of these titans are absolutely mind boggling
@@Retics Coleman had a worse gut at lower or equal weight. 2000 - 2001 his gut was terrible, so bad that Levrone was actually pointing at it during direct comparison ON STAGE so the judges and the audience can focus on it. Coleman pre 2003 was smaller than Yates/ equal size.
@@Retics He was the most conditioned Mr. Olympia ever. If he came in the shape he was like 2-3 weeks out he would be almost as big as Ronnie, who would have the extra weight in his legs. In Dorian era people wanted to see conditioning, which changed when Dorian got bigger and bloated and Ronnie took over.
Exactly All one has to do is look to those black and white pictures of Dorian he was just as big as Ronnie was in 2003 but more shredded he would have crushed Ronnie if he had known Ronnie was going to be that big Dorian would have showed up like that
@ Did they do that? No, making that fully speculative. That's the same as saying that Arnold would win the 2020 mr olympia if he had the proper gear. Based on a guess, not history and facts.
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@@laurikotivuori1585 it's not speculation, it's pure facts. Every single human being on this planet is capable of doing the same stuff Munzer and others did. They just choose not to, and that's why they are alive today and people like Munzer and Momo beneziza aren't (diuretic abuse) you seriously need to do a research on diuretics and what they do to your body, how they help you.
@ I know more about each and individual popular diuretic on the market than you ever will genius. I have friends that use them on a regular basis when competing and I've done my research. What we know right now, is that Ronnie and Dorian never came in as conditioned as a prime munzer. Everything else is a guess because it hasn't happened.
this is the greatest comparison ever! Anyway, in my humble opinion, the best physique ever is dorian 1993, 3 weeks out (Norton's black and white pics) because he was hard as iron but he was fuller. He overviewed for olympia and, in any case, 1993 olympia pics suck!
@King Of The World Two guys with ugly physiques Take your pick. Younger Dorian had a body like granite I never liked Ronnie's ugly-ass AB separation it is weird f****** chest . I also Thought j a y was better than Ronnie
@King Of The World Ronnie had proportions? yeah right. Got any more jokes for us? No calves, huge sticking out ass that was too oversized for his already nonexistent calves. Asymmetrical lats, in the later stage of his career one of them was visibly TORN, droopy saggy tits, asymmetry in conditioning all over his body. How can you have shredded glutes and hamstrings all the time but a watery back with thick skin? How do your legs from the back look diced but watery from the front? His calves were not only pathetic in size but conditioning/vascularity/shape as well. I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about, Dorian is twice as proportioned as Ronnie.
@@dj_m19 I'll second that about dorian, I saw him guest pose in 96 and even though being off-season, his proportions still piss all over ronnies. The guy had back striations even in the off-season ffs and don't even get me started on those calves in person! Prime dorian was very balanced and symmetrical. That's coming from Kevin Horton himself who snapped multiple photos, not just the back and whites! Honestly wasting your time explaining to those who have no idea about criteria side of things, I have countless times as well as lusian but kinda hard to get through to an idiot 😂
Although the mandatories are tied, I think if they were to actually stand next to each other on stage then Coleman would take it. He’s just so much bigger and more complete than Yates. Yates had weak arms(except for side tricep) and worse legs, with a not much better midsection, so I don’t think he could beat Ronnie when standing on the same stage.
The thing is that as you said it all comes down to the mandatories. I think Ronnie takes it in a close battle. Ronnie as a whole looks certainly more dominant than Dorian, but bodybuilding is judged on winning poses thus I think it would be close with both at their best.
Chad Chadiel Ronnie ‘99 really isn’t bigger than Yates ‘93. His shape and slightly smaller frame and muscle bellies give him an illusion. Stand them next to each other and Yates is more dense and way harder, but not as shapely. Also look at the quads, always fascinating. Dorians mass in his legs sits low, closer to the knees whilst Ronnie’s sits much higher closer to the hips. Ronnie’s chest is also deeper & he has much better front delts.
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he wasn't bigger lol. They were about the same size in those years. Ronnie was sub 260 pounds until 2003. Look at his 2002 Mr. O weight? 257 pounds? the same as Dorian in 1993. 257 pounds. Dorian became even bigger after 1993, that wasn't his biggest.
front double - ronnie front relaxed - ronnie back lat spread - ronnie side chest - ronnie most muscular - ronnie front lat spread - ronnie back double bicep - yates side triceps - yates
I've always said the greatest is between Phil and Ronnie. Ronnie was the biggest freak but the ultimate of genetic muscle and frame was phil apart from that narrow clavicle of course.
Now you kept making comments about Ronnie being bigger Cory and wait more than Ronnie did Dorian was like 260 on stage that night Coleman was like 249 this year Dorian was bigger than him and if they had stood next to each other you would have saw that That's why he beat Ronnie every year Go back and look at Ronnie from 96 and '97 he pretty much looked just like this and he couldn't touch Dorian he would have never been able to beat Dorian if Dorian did not retire
They were both 257 these years. The difference is Dorian looks smaller than his weight while Ronnie looks bigger than his weight. Ronnie has the fuller muscle bellies, greater sweep in the quads, bigger biceps, bigger chest, etc...etc...
@@xaviervega468 then why did he never beat him why does everybody that went to these shows say that Dorian dominated these people why does everybody say that why did Kevin levrone say that Dorian was unbeatable why did Jay Cutler say that Ronnie couldn't have beat Dorian look up the interview from February 2022 Jay Cutler said that Dorian was superior to Ronnie that he had less weaknesses
@@xaviervega468 if you had stood them next to each other you would have saw who the bigger guy was why did they call Dorian the mass monster and say he was bigger than everybody why does flex wheeler and all of them say that Dorian was the biggest guy I mean Paul dillet was a little bit bigger but he wasn't in the same league as Dorian plus he was taller Dorian was actually still just as big as him he was just taller
Ronnie is unreal. But does anyone actually want to look like him? Although, that said, if I could have the physique of any BB’er, I’d go with deep off-season Roelly. The Dad Bod God.
Coleman fans always say he’s just too much, Dorian fans say that Dorian is harder and grainier. Other than the front lat spread and side tricep I think Ronnie has him from front and side (ab and thigh is debatable) but when they turn around it’s just a different story. Dorian has much thinner skin and the detail is crazy, Ronnie may have more pure size but he’s kinda soft from the back, and dorians traps are far, far bigger and thicker and more conditioned and his lower back is much better. Honestly who wins depends on what you like.
As someone who has nothing but praise for both of these incredible athletes and pioneers of the sport. You really missed the mark on this analysis with regards to size. The heaviest Dorian ever weighed on stage was 260. Ronnie was over 290. In a battle of shape and conditioning Dorian takes it, but if they were truly standing next to each other on stage Ronnie would dwarf him in size which was one of Ronnie’s biggest claims to fame. It’s why it was so hard for Jay Cutler to beat him for so long. He had so much more mass.
Good comparison video. I still think Ronnie’s size would have been the difference. Neither of these guys are my favorite but I don’t see anyone beating Ronnie at his best. I don’t think Dorian could beat Phil at his best either.
I mean if they were all at their best it would be an epic competition. If you check videos I would almost say Ronnie is the worst. He was the most insane size wise but I feel like he was really lacking in a lot of ways. Prime phil and prime dorian we’re both better in live action
what size, they were more or less the same size and Ronnie was getting dwarfed by Nasser the year before. Can you people hop off it already, Coleman wasn't as big as you may think he was pre 2003.
Coming from this era... Dorian beat people with better structure and genetics because of condition (with the big guys), and size (against small guys like S Ray). Ronnie size was equal and was just as lean
Close one I have Coleman winning by one pose mainly due to his size and the legs. It's subjective tho and judging criteria changed over the years so who knows.
Ronnie would win in a real comparison no doubt about it no arguments to be made. If we say Ronnie and Yates backs are equal or even that Yates has a slightly better back. That’s the only thing other than the midsection (which wasn’t bad for Ronnie in 99) and slightly better conditioning in certain areas that Dorian matches Ronnie or Beats him in. Ronnie is vastly superior in the entire lower body, and upper body excluding back. To get a sense of both bodybuilders size all you really need is the front relaxed and most muscular. Yates only has one pose or maybe two the side tri and abs n thigh which he blows Ronnie out of the water in whereas Ronnie has the front relaxed, all most muscular variations, front double bicep and side chest.
TheLusianPopa If they are both not flexing in the front relaxed and one guy is noticeably bigger then yes it can be used to determine size as they are both relaxed. Ronnie calves aren’t bad, they are mediocre but yes Dorian wins there. Dorian has mediocre glutes so I would say the glutes and calves even out. And at least in my opinion, in a battle of two MASS monsters, it should be about who looks the freakiest not aesthetics so I would say ronnies freaky glutes enhance the RLS making him look crazy. Ronnies quads are way better than Dorians, and when did Dorian ever have feathered quads? U say what are superior quads, they are visible in every single shot, not just the ab and thigh pose so actually it’s a huge advantage having better quads. U say what good are better arms when he gets crushed in the side triceps, but Ronnies arms destroy Dorian’s in the most muscular, FDB, BDB and the side chest, that’s 4 poses to 1 for Ronnie where his arms show dominance over dorians. Dorians chest was pretty small, you can’t criticise the ‘droopyness’ of ronnies chest as it was only droopy in the front relaxed and was wayyyy to big for Dorian to even compete with, just compare side chest shot. Also come on Ronnie doesn’t have bad forearms either so u can’t criticise Ronnie for having slightly smaller than Dorian. I would say Ronnie and Yates back is equal as there really isn’t enough in it to declare one back better in both back poses. So with back equal, Ronnie wins in:Biceps,Chest,shoulders,quads, hamstrings, glutes. And Dorian wins: abs and calves, so really in the age of mass monsters, Ronnie had all the most important body parts superior over Dorian. Also u say the most muscular didn’t matter, literally every single bodybuilder hit it, it was pretty much mandatory, do you think the judges closed their eyes when they did the most muscular, no they obviously didn’t, it counted for a lot. Dorian only destroys Ronnie in the side triceps and abs and thigh poses whereas Ronnie destroys him in the FDB, side chest, all the most muscular variations which there are about 3 of, and the back poses are about equal as they are so close so really, Ronnie is a more complete bodybuilder and a better one.
TheLusianPopa in my opinion, even thought the most muscular wasn’t technically a pose, it definitely counted a huge amount, u can’t possibly say it doesn’t have any influence. The most muscular is probably the best measure of frontal thickness, it’s been being hit way way way before Dorian and ronnies time, it definitely counted so don’t try to exclude that. And I’m sorry but this argument about you saying that Yates has better legs because his calves were good is so flawed, you can’t say that Ronnie has much better hams glutes and quads but then say but Dorian has better legs because his calves are more proportionate, ronnies calves really aren’t that small, it’s just your comparing them to some of the biggest in hisotry. I don’t really wanna talk about glutes too much but IMO ronnies huge ones add more to his back poses as they are perfectly shredded with his hamstrings, that whole area is just like a web of striations. I just can’t give Dorian the overall win as Ronnie is way more complete, he has everything, except a good short tricep head (because his long tricep head was huge) and good abs. Dorians legs aren’t bad in any means but compared to Ronnie they get shown up. Dorian is lacking extra size and separation in his legs(apart from calves gosh), his long tricep head, biceps and chest. So therefore Ronnie is more complete. Also, when we compare shots that each of them destroy the other one in, Ronnie has more. I wouldn’t say Dorian destroys Ronnie in the FLS as everything else on Ronnie is superior other than the lats which aren’t bad at all just not as good as Dorians. And neither of them destroy each other in the back poses, you can’t argue this as if one of them easily destroyed the other in a back pose then the topic on who had the best back poses wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. So therefore I would say Dorian DESTROYS Ronnie in the AT and ST, whereas Ronnie DESTROYS Dorian in the FDB, SC and the MM( yes I am counting this as a pose as it did actually have a huge impact and was taken into consideration by the judges, especially in the era of the mass monsters,). Therefore Ronnie has 3 knockout shots to Dorians 2 so I would say Ronnie beats Dorian. I judged it on knockout shots because the back poses and FLS can arguably go either way so it’s best to decide on who was the most complete and who had the most poses where they destroyed the other bodybuilder. Dorians just too incomplete to beat Ronnie imo, if Dorian had better arms, delts, chest ,better quads and hams then Dorian would destroy Ronnie, but he doesn’t so Ronnie is better. Also to go back to the most muscular pose and the Front relaxed, they both highlight how much mass Dorian was lacking in his shoulders chest and arms, he looks so flat in those poses, at least in no Ronnie poses you can say he doesn’t have enough muscle development there. Ronnie is more complete so is therefore better IMO as the only thing he lacked was good abs, which weren’t even that bad in 1999 compared to later years
TheLusianPopa take away Dorians back and he is a fairly poor bodybuiler, take away ronnies back and he would still be a top bodybuilder due to his huge legs and upper body. Just think about it, Dorian had worse arms shoulders and chest than almost anyone in the top 6 at that time. This just proves that Ronnie is more complete.
TheLusianPopa bruhhhh u must be crazy if you think that dorian in 93 was beating flex in the FDB and AT like seriously wtf, come on flex DESTROYS Dorian in both of them. You keep going on about forearms and calves, ronnies forearms really aren’t bad like your saying they are, they don’t stand out as a weakness at all like Kai greenes, they just aren’t a strength but deffo aren’t a weakness. You also keep going on about ‘golden ratio’ this ‘golden ratio’ that, I’m sorry but your comparing two humongous bodybuilders, they are called MASS MONSTERS, yes you can go into the whole “bodubuilding should be about perfect proportions and symmetry ect ect blah blah blah” but no, this was the 90s and early 2000s, not the 70s and 80s. I’m also talking about who was the better bodybuilder through the pictures, I’m not talking about the posing or anything which Dorian was obviosuly better at. I can’t believe you say Dorian is more complete than Ronnie because he has slightly bigger forearms and calves. No that doesn’t make him more complete, he can have all the golden ratio calve and forearm stuff in the world but if he isn’t big enough in certain muscle groups to compete such as in the chest delts arms then he isnt complete. I can’t see how you can insist that Ronnie is incomplete because of two small muscles such as the calves and forearms which he isn’t huge in when Dorian has huge muscle groups such as the chest shoulders and arms which he lacks size and shape in and definition. And I can’t believe you just said that Ronnie barley beat flex levrone ray and nasser. He was much much better don’t fool yourself, Ray is wayyyyy too small and narrow, Kevin doesn’t have the legs or back, nasser was complete but not conditioned enough and not a good enough back and flex was also pretty complete but didn’t have the mass or hamstrings and glutes. When people like you start bringing in shape proportion and symmetry into a battle of mass monsters it’s just so so so so stupid. This isn’t zane vs Arnold it’s two of the biggest bodybuilders ever. Like I said take away Dorians back and he has 0 strong major bodyparts, he only has good calves and forearms which as much as you won’t like to here this, they aren’t as important as other boduparty such as biceps chest legs triceps shoulders ect. Take away ronnies back and he has many many major body part strengths such as the chest arms delts and legs. Other than his back Dorian has no stand out features. Ronnie is more complete for a mass monster, maybe not for the perfect golden ration statue figure but if your comparing Ronnie to that criteria then your being stupid :)
Calves are not more important than glutes. The only people that say that are Dorian fans. They also like to bring up forearms. And just like on the legs, the upper part of the limb matters more. Just to illustrate, we have had multiple Mr. O winners with mediocre calves. Including ronnie and dexter. But we have not had a Mr O winner with bad glutes. If you dont agree you are simply in denial.
Great video from a Yates fan, Just stumbled on your channel recently. Love your golden area stuff. Not enough Boďybuilding history stuff. What's province you from, N.S, here.
Better body, or better bodybuilder? Make sure before you opine about whom is better that you take in to account aesthetics, symmetry, proportions, posing, all body parts, etcetera.
This is why you guys aren't judges. Dorian was better in half the poses as well as Ronnie being better in half. It's on a pose by pose basis. Too many of you go by Ronnie being about 25lbs bigger and say he automatically wins. That's not how this works.
If you look at the way Yates and Ronnie do their rear lat spreads, Ronnie looks to have found a better way to perform it. His fists go way behind his back and he turns his shoulder bladed more rounded like a tortoise shell. Yates does it old school and just puts his fists in his sides.
I'd take Dorian side tri, ab and thighs and detailed in the back. Just. That's my personal preference. But you can clearly see the case for Ronnie of course - the fullness is just staggering. But the greatest physique in history is Dorian three weeks out in '93. Weighing about 275, full as fuck, already ripped to all hell. The balance at that size was unparallelled.
That was Dorians peak for sure, the black & whites. Though I still prefer Colemans peak, his overall structure. I think Dorians RDB in the 93 black and whites is second best in history when compared with Colemans 2003 RDB
You really think that Dorian have bigger lats than Ronnie ahhahahah?Ronnies lats looks smaller in front poses because his chest are huge and they cover lats,Dorian chest are patethic and this is why Dorian look like have bigger lats.
Bigger and better legs, ripped hamstring and glutes, better conditioning upstairs, bigger arms, only in the ab department he loses, side triceps too, overall he smokes Yates
I just always thought Ronnie was over rated ..too big ..I think Ronnie was his best in 98 after that he lost condition due to being over sized...Yates dominated him all through the 90s so what the point of comparison...the only one who ever got a sniff of winning against Yates was levrone
hot dog against dorian? Shawn placed higher. 93 was flex runner up 94 Shawn 95 Kevin 96 Shawn 97 nasser 98 flex ... which olympias are you talking about?
@@mitswO Dorian might be drier, but his back flattens out, and his arms have no pop to them whatsoever. Ronnie's back looks much thicker and his arms are huge.
@@xaviervega468 I can only agree that Ronnie arms look huge, especially the peaks of his biceps, but if you look closely Dorian destroys it in the shoulders, and when you say that Dorian back is flat, Ronnie back is the complete opposite. It is the one that is flat, it has width but from the side it always looks flat simply because its intermediate trapeziums were not as prominent as Dorian, which from the side looks like he had a turtle shell on his back.
Yates' lats aren't that much better in the front lat spread. His arms are smaller. Coleman's arms hide his lats a bit. Ronnie wins FLS everywhere, except the calves.
Dorian wins the ab and thigh side tricep, front lat spread, and back double. Ronnie wins the front double, side chest, back double, and most muscular. 4-4 tie. These guys are just too evenly matched. Pose per pose. I always liked Dorian specificly because he wasn't very complete, but he was very affective in the poses. He isn't known for great triceps, and a small waist, but he is able to make his waist small in the ab and thigh, and front lat spread. He is able to make his tricep look huge by doing a side tricep. That's why he is my favorite 👍
The poses that Dorian wins are very close and I'd easily give the bdb to Coleman and the rear lats spread. But in fdb and sidechest, Coleman simply destroys Dorian. Look at dorians shoulders and arms...
My man, I think you should compare the Ronnie of the 2001 ASC vintage to a bunch of other guys. He was reportedly "only" about 245-247 at that show, but IMO, that was one of his best physiques. He was shredded to the bone, dry but full in all the right places. The only demerit: he had some stomach distention, even at the lower bodyweight.
6:21 Seriously, I am a Dorian fan, but how can the front double biceps be an easy win for Dorian? Ronnie has the better arms (peakier biceps and better definition) and his bigger quads with more outer sweep and relatively small waist give the pose an amazing X shape. On the other hand, the Front Double was never an outstanding pose for Dorian (could have been in 96 though, but his torn biceps ruins it) and, even with both biceps here, he looks rather blocky compared to Ronnie.
9:57 how you can compare the rear double biceps Ronnie is just so much bigger the amount of muscle on his lats if far superior there’s even more detail between the lats and the lower back..And his legs are soo much better . It’s like your not even looking at the legs. Dorians arms look so inferior as well in this pose. And you literally started the pose by saying it’s a dorian pose .. you were already being biased
Pro life only I can literally see striationsnof muscle fibers on his glutes and his hams are fkn popping out like crazy and they are peeeled . Look at his right lat the thick muscle straitions going out around the scapula . Amazing his arms also look so impressive .. his size alone is far superior .
@Pro life only Definitely not seeing a "melted back". What I am seeing is similar size, better shape, and better arms and legs in the back double bicep. Yates has better condition but loses the Back Double Bicep for all those reasons, not the least of which is inferior biceps.
Dorian wins the rear double pretty easy. Ronnie had better biceps and legs, glutes perhaps too big for my taste, Dorian had superior Calves and delts. it comes down to size vs hardness. dorian was a bit smaller that ronnie, but as far as hardness the two are on different planets. Its like comparing a peace of wood to a hunk of granite. Guess which ones the wood? go ahead guess!
Marx Max Muscle guys with better conditoning have lost to Ronnie .. guys with actual double biceps lol just a joke hehe when I started watching bodybuilding it was size would win you shows I mean you had to be cut of course but everyone was chasing Ronnie’s size . So maybe your from the 90’s where it was more about hardness not about getting massive.
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@TheLusianPopa that's what i've been trying to tell to these people. They keep comparing body parts one against another and the second they see one bigger than the other that's where their minds stop working. In their minds a bit more mass= better, despite Ronnie's symmetry, proportions, flow of the physique being far worse than Dorian's and I don't even have to mention the conditioning aspect. He had a huge ass and no calves for god's sake, no judge wants to see that. Literally not a single judge wants that in a physique
lol, Ronnie would blow him off the stage. Ronnie would make him look tiny. You took Dorian's best shape and pics vs Ronnie's average pics and condition.
Kevin Levrone said Dorian would've beaten Ronnie in 1998. Ronnie barely beat Flex by 3 points and had horrible gyno but still, his 1998 version is regarded as the best version of himself, better than the 1999 version. So who is right, professional bodybuilders that were there and competed against both, or you, a youtube dweller that probably hasn't seen either of them in person and base your entire opinion on 25 year old pictures and footage shot by inferior technology?
Mmm can't go against 99 Ronnie .And you said 2nd greatest bodybuilder of all time and Phil have something to say about it Whaaat??? is this a troll video guys ?
Nice vid. My opinion. - Front Poses: Much of a muchness. Side Chest - Easily Ronnie. Back Poses: Ronnie blows him out of the water with the massive traps.
99 Coleman and 93yates were similar weights actually. People dont realize that. The lighting for dorian was terrible at the 93 Olympia. There easily the top 2 of all time
Dorian took the sport to a new level unseen before. Ronnie then did the same.
New level yes but I would argue not to a better level.
Dorian took it to the next level. Ronnie took it to the extreme end of human capabilities.
@@mrtoad3582 Ronnie was 296 onstage at 04 O while Markus weighed 280. They both had 24" Arms. Both had same sized Chests. Ronnie had bigger Back and Legs. Markus had bigger Shoulders.
@@mrtoad3582 Maybe you don't personally like Ronnie but both points you mentioned are wrong. Dorian had a 56" Chest/ Back while Ronnie was 60" and Ramy has bigger legs than Ronnie? Ronnie had the biggest legs ever! You better watch this: ruclips.net/video/6R8lmIM8xQ0/видео.html and don't Ronnie look freaky atleast here? ruclips.net/video/Y6S-Zp4bwyI/видео.html
I thought Ronnie was gonna win here cause he's just too much, too big. Very surprised Dorian got it
Dorians great but when I watch videos of ronnie on stage I can't even comprehend what Im looking at. I've yet to seen any other bodybuilder that does that!
Dorian had that grainy granite look though which no one has ever emulated even Ronnie
Dorian took the sport to another level. Coleman took it to another planet !
The most realistic comment I've seen
Thats the great comment
And Markus Ruhl tried to take it to another galaxy
I never got to see Dorian onstage, but I got to be at the ‘99 and ‘00 Olympia prejudging. Coleman was just out of this world.
Both were unreal I am sure, but it could have gone either way, it was that close.
@@johnmorrow6082 I agree that ronnie coleman is deserving of all his praise and he is the goat no doubt. But what does race have to do with this?
@xImJdubz excuse me?
@xImJdubz can't tell if your being sarcastic in fucking text
@@johnmorrow6082 RIGHT
Don`t forget there were no HD cameras back in the early 90`s.
I saw both and tbh I would go with Dorian. He level of conditioning was like I have never seen
Kevin Levrone was asked who would win if Dorian and a prime Ronnie competed Kevin said that Dorians condition and hardness was on another level.
I don’t think anyone beats that version of Coleman at all ever.
dorian era insuperable, ronnie coleman compitio en el 96 y 97 junto a dorian yates pero nunca pudo entrar ni siquiera al top 6 mientras que dorian ocupaba el primer puesto, luego para el 98 dorian se lesiona el biceps y se retira y no se presenta al campeonato, es ahi cuando ronnie comienza su reinado
Coleman, easy... with all due respect
says easy and then "with all due respect"
LOL. Delusional
@@dj_m19 definitely coleman
Most muscular - Ronnie
Abs and thigh - Dorian
Fdb - Ronnie
Fls - Dorian
Sdc - Ronnie
Bls - Dorian
Bdb - Ronnie
Front relaxed - Ronnie
Rear relaxed - Dorian
Conditioning n size - Dorian..
So Dorian might win as size and conditioning is most important factor to win and he brought combination of both... It's close but Dorian wins.
REALY?......i mean better maybe, but easy?...c'mon dude, they Are both monsters and the light Is better on Coleman pictures!......My opinion, Coleman wins cuzz of the arms!!!....i mean that Is Dorijan achiliech heal, and Ronny Had one of the Best ARMS in bodybuilding, but the condisioning i give it to Dorian!!!.....What do You think?......AM i went to off?😂❤
@@amaanshaikh6868you forgot side triceps which goes to Dorian.
And most muscular ist not judged.
So it's 5:4 for Dorian in the mandatory poses.
What a joke mark 🤣🤣🤣
No way Dorian can beat Rony
Never ever 😂😂😂😂😂
Rony was just too much for Dorian
still living in your bubble, huh? Oh well.
its question of preference I would say... for me Coleman is overal better, but I can live with him losing one point to Dorian in this video :D no big deal
Dorain beat Ronnie a few times. However Ronnie 99 is untouchable
@@louislydecker5885 '99 Ronnie is not even the best Ronnie.
@@dj_m19 doesn't change the 'fact' Dorian did beat him. Check the record books
front double bicep :King
Sidechest :King
BACK DOUBLE BICEP :King
Rear latspread :King
Most muscular :King
SIDE TRICEP :the shadow
ABS AND thigh :the shadow
FLS is Yates as well
No way Ronnie all the way. Dorian Wins a pose or 2 but Ronnie too much. That front relaxed shot of Ronnie’s buried Dorian.
Imo dorian win 4 ronnie win 6
cant really win with gyno....and dorians lats are better, I believe you need to study bodybuilding more
@@Scalping_this gyno only effect front double biceps and front relax and its a fact that ronnie smoke dorian in both, and the other chest relate pose his gyno got covered by his crazy chest condition
@@toilaconhaisam3037 if dorian is beating ronnie in front double because his gyno was awful which is dorians worst pose, dorian is winning comparison. Take a different year if you want dorian to lose
@@Scalping_this wth r u drunk bro? Ronnie SMOKE dorian in front double biceps, dorian looked like a melted butter in that pose. Gyno is only a niple not like it ruined his pecs or anything.
Dorian has the better figure, more balanced. Yes the quads are bigger with Ronnie but the calves are way better shaped with Dorian so the legs overall look better to me. The front and back lat spread are more impressive and grainy rock hard muscle with Dorian.
I don't agree, Dorian's legs have always been normal, nothing special, and his giant calves through off the balance. Besides, Ronnie's legs had more vascularity.
Dorian has slightly better condition in the back, but he has worse muscle bellies and separation: look at Ronnie's traps in the BLS (@8:57) and you can see the lower pointy insertions
Coleman edges out Yates-- overall. Can't deny it - Yates the calves easily , Ronnie- arms easily , Ronnie chest easily, the back equal... or at least a tie--thigh sweep and size Ronnie, abs it's close, , conditioning Yates , roundness and lines Ronnie------a Christmas tree alone does not alone make a mr olympia
@Amanda Laschola exactly ,side by side prime Yates beats any bodybuilder ever FACT.
So, Dorians miserable arms were much better live?
And? Ronnie won 8 times, that’s a hand and plus 3 in the other hand.
I am a Yates fan, however in my opinion it is very close, a tie almost, both are phenomenal.
Exceptionally well critiqued by Mr MMM himself
We are comparing bad quality photos to great resolution photos
10:03 i don't see how yates can beat coleman in this shot. 6:43 this is still debatable, yates lats are a little bit better, but coleman chest arms shoulders and legs are way better.
Yea Ronnie is just too much mass + conditoning and with superior muscle size and shape. Ronnie’s legs are also bigger and better than dorians . It’s not even debatable
10:03 Dorian is about 10 times harder that Ronnie, take a close look. Dorian also has much better delts and calves wich makes up for the biceps and quads. 6:43 debatable? are you crazy saying that with so many Dorianytes around?
Marx Max Muscle Andreas munzer is harder than dorian.. so he wins this pose by your logic? Ronnie biceps, triceps are 10 times the size of dorians lol ,lats , glutes , hams , are much bigger and arguably show more detail that dorian . can you see those straitions in Ronnie’s lats ?? Wtf that’s alienesque very few guys ever get that kind of thickness and strations .. not even dorian has that in this particular pose and picture . So what’s better size or hardness.
Because Ronnie’s never lacked detail. ...am I lying?
Both lats on Ronnie got strations wtf that’s crazy
Marx Max Muscle hey why don’t you do Ronnie at the English Grand Prix in 99’ ???
eXistenZ bro then take off ur wooden sunglasses if u don't see it
You're drunk Bro!
You're probably drunk lol.
@@diamondsandgold1993 Go blindfold yourself, then walk slowly across the Highway, Idiot!!!
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I think the backs of these two guys are of different shapes. Dorian in my view had a skin condition which made him appear to be dry but doesn't make him better. What I have picked up is that the general consensus is that Ronnie is the best bodybuilder of all times.
skin condition? what??? It's called having thin skin and being crazy shredded. Ronnie had thick skin and wasn't as conditioned as Dorian, that's why his skin appeared all shiny and watery (except for glutes and hams)
Concordo com vc
@@dj_m19 Dorian's thin skin on his upper body was a matter of genetics as much as conditioning. Just like the skin on Ronnie's hams and glutes
Skin condition? NO! He was just in extremely good shape. To good parhaps, overdieted and lost a lot of mass last weeks. Look at the black and white pics a couple weeks before 93 Olympia.Ronnie is the best ever but 98/99 is close. Dorian at hes best was bigger then those versions of Ronnie and better conditioned. In 03 however, nobody would touch Ronnie.
@@LASSEFITTA Dorian had very thin skin on his upper body. It was similar to how Ronnie has very thin skin on his hams and glutes
Salty Americans in the comments lol
Ronnie makes em look like an amateur in that most muscular
Front double bicep to Dorian? I want whatever it is you're smoking.
He clearly gave it to Ronnie didn't he
clean your ears buddy
Hahaha COLEMAN WINS EVERY TIME STOP IT
@Amanda Laschola wow your smart
typical ignorant cancel mentality. You are such a fanboy that you don't want to even entertain the idea that someone could be better than your idol.
put the whiskey down
Fax Coleman looks wayyyyy better
4:00 mints in Yates hands down
Dude you have horrible taste Ronnie murdered yates
Yeah
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Marx, you know damn well the only pose Yates beats Colman In is the side triceps shot.. Ronnie is flat out better in every other pose. I’m saying this as a huge Dorian fan
Ronnie takes it. Better shoulders, biceps, waist, chest, thighs, glutes. Comparable lats, traps, forearms. Yates gets the lower back and calves while also arguably having prettier abs, but that's about it.
It's not bodyparts contest
I agree brother .. his size alone is far superior . And his conditioning is excellent . If size isnt awarded in bodybuilding , then I guess I got bodybuilding all wrong I was under the impression that size is a factor as much as conditioning if and Ronnie mass+ conditioning is too much for dorian
@@christian_urocar in 99 Ronnie was 256. In 93 Dorian was 257 with far better conditioning genius
@Pro life only He had a narrower waist in this contest.
@Pro life only And I don't see "far better conditioning". I see better conditioning, especially in areas where you don't normally see insane conditioning, but I don't see anything overwhelming.
Damn, you get ads on your videos too? I'm proud of you man. Your channel is growing!
when I first started this I never thought I'd get paid, but it is a dream come true. I dont make enough to do it full time yet, but Ill never stop, because Id do it anyway! youtube is awesome!
In my opinion. 93 Yates is unbeatable. I never was a fan of Ronnie Colemans build. But I respect him and everything he has done in the sport. 2 Great legends.
Ronnie only pose that totally blows Yates out the water with his FDB. Both are incredibly and both champions 🏆
From listening to the bodybuilders that competed in Yates and Ronnie's era, they said Ronnie's was better and I believe they know best, even lee Haney said Ronnie was better
Side tricep Yates
Back double Yates
Back lat spread Yates
Front lat spread Yates
Best posing Yates
Conditioning Yates
Ronnie gets everything else.
Not the BLS. Everything I agree (even though you didn’t ask). 🤷🏻♂️
Wait how did Yates win? I'm a fan and all but if we had real judges there's no way Yates would have won it was density vs slightly better conditioning
it was that slightly better conditioning that got him the win, other than that it was a tie for the poses. Dorian won all his shots without a doubt as did Ronnie, so it was very close no matter what. I have a ronnie video for you tomorrow! hope you like , and agree with that one.
@@marxmaxmuscle1 haven't heard from you in a few Friendo, how can I argue with the Great Marx
it was never...eeeevvver slightly better conditioning from yates.....ive seen these guys all compete and by far and away yates is greatest of all time. mad marx max muscle is absolutely correct in yates as winner
@@stevenewer1 Yea definitely not. A 2003 290lbs pound Ronnie would obliterate Dorian's skinny ass.
@ Ironic that the ''water buffalo'' would still have more conditioned biceps triceps chest quads hammies and glutes than the shadow.
Dorian Yates. Muscle density and conditioning was on another level.
I have Coleman winning this one. Yates has a better tricep, abs (look, not thickness) and calves, that's it. The lighting in some of his pics make him look much granier. The "goon light", from the top, accentuates the shadows. Coleman's are front lit, which washes some detail. I also prefer Ronnie's muscles shape and size everywhere else. He has striations in his front lats, his lats are more symmetrical from the back, better arms, shoulders, pecs, and quads. Both their glutes and hams look awesome, although very differently shaped and displayed. Coleman is more "X" framed, and Yates more Y framed (because of the posing mainly).
I never appreciated Dorian when I younger I actually couldn't believe he won the olympia with such an ugly physique. Once I became a serious competitive bodybuilder I grew to see the true beauty in Yates physique . Yates never had good biceps but his triceps, quads, calves, back and traps were so good it was mathematically impossible to beat him in the mandatories. I honestly believe you need to have stepped on stage as a competitor to truly appreciate Yates conditioning. The suffering necessary to go on stage with Yates level conditioning will put you close to death
When Dorian brought this level here other guys literaly died trying to match it.
Ronnie is the GOAT, Arnold is the former GOAT and Dorian is the third. Period.
you're the fanboy, former fanboy and 3rd fanboy. Period.
@@dj_m19 What do you want me to do? Be your fanboy? 🤣🤣🤣
It really comes down to how they two would matchup on stage. Symmetry, posing, conditioning, detail aside, you are not taking size into the equation. You have to, and it would have full effect when they are adjacent. That being said, id rather have Yates' physique. I just think Coleman is much more dominant
You know Dorian weighed more in 93 than Coleman did in 99 right?
@@sui6160 he does not know for sure.. Ronnie followed the blue print laid by Dorian.. cutler and others came close to winning.. Dorians opponents participated for second place.
What everyone misses when they say Dorian wins the dryness round is that Dorian indeed has more details in his back and calves - but everywhere else Coleman actually has more details- especially superior separation in arms and shoulders. That- along with bigger size in arms and quads (compared to Dorians bigger calves) gives Coleman a slight advantage IMHO
1990s bodybuilding is the main event. Sensational comparison video as always MMM 💪😎
Oohh Boy, its gonna happen. Good stuff! My predicton: Dorian wins when it all comes down to it. Most body parts cancel each other out. /Forearms/Calves/Tricpes (Dorian) (Biceps, etc..Ronnie) Then u have to look at Raw Quality Mass/Posing/Conditioning/Symmetry/aesthetics/: U have to go with Dorian :)
Jeffrey I love Dorians physique and I agree he has better triceps, calves and forearms but Ronnie destroys him in biceps, chest, shoulder, glutes, quads and hamstrings, I don’t think Dorian can compete with him:/ Dorian wins side tricep and abs and thighs for sure but Ronnie wins side chest, most muscular and front double bicep. As for the back shots regardless of who you think has a better back (I can never make up my mind lol, they’re both so good and so different) Ronnie takes the back shots due to his legs, shoulders and arms. I much prefer the presentation and look of Dorian (he’s my fav modern bodybuilder) but he can’t compete with Ronnie on stage. I always think it’s a shame he was plagued with injury because a fully fit Dorian vs Ronni in 98 would’ve been amazing.
Oops forgot FLS, I can never make up my mind on that one either:(
Pro life only
Melted back??????????
Pro life only no gut in 98 or 99 but I agree in later years
I can see where u comming from. But Max has already spoken. And I agree with him. Yeah his training and maybe pure bad luck stopped his carriere early on. I like that match up in 96. Look at that footage of yates/ray/Ronnie. You could already see the potential. Tonn8ter has a great video on that Olympia
That is exactly right, it is a tie between these two. However, when it comes to conditioning, dorian is slightly better and harder. Awesome comparison, You did very well. I think if dorian had ronnie in his sights he would have maintained more size for the event and beat him. It is close tho, both of these titans are absolutely mind boggling
Dorian couldn't be any bigger. His stomach was distending. He struggled for a few years because he couldn't really carry the weight
@@Retics Coleman had a worse gut at lower or equal weight.
2000 - 2001 his gut was terrible, so bad that Levrone was actually pointing at it during direct comparison ON STAGE so the judges and the audience can focus on it.
Coleman pre 2003 was smaller than Yates/ equal size.
@@Retics He was the most conditioned Mr. Olympia ever. If he came in the shape he was like 2-3 weeks out he would be almost as big as Ronnie, who would have the extra weight in his legs. In Dorian era people wanted to see conditioning, which changed when Dorian got bigger and bloated and Ronnie took over.
Exactly All one has to do is look to those black and white pictures of Dorian he was just as big as Ronnie was in 2003 but more shredded he would have crushed Ronnie if he had known Ronnie was going to be that big Dorian would have showed up like that
Andreas Münzer had the best possible condition but lost his life reaching this
Hamdullah Aykutlu was also very conditioned, maybe more so, but Andreas had much more size than he did, so really Andreas is more impressive.
@ Did they do that? No, making that fully speculative. That's the same as saying that Arnold would win the 2020 mr olympia if he had the proper gear. Based on a guess, not history and facts.
@@laurikotivuori1585 it's not speculation, it's pure facts. Every single human being on this planet is capable of doing the same stuff Munzer and others did. They just choose not to, and that's why they are alive today and people like Munzer and Momo beneziza aren't (diuretic abuse) you seriously need to do a research on diuretics and what they do to your body, how they help you.
@ I know more about each and individual popular diuretic on the market than you ever will genius. I have friends that use them on a regular basis when competing and I've done my research. What we know right now, is that Ronnie and Dorian never came in as conditioned as a prime munzer. Everything else is a guess because it hasn't happened.
Ronnie beat Him in front lat spread
this is the greatest comparison ever!
Anyway, in my humble opinion, the best physique ever is dorian 1993, 3 weeks out (Norton's black and white pics) because he was hard as iron but he was fuller.
He overviewed for olympia and, in any case, 1993 olympia pics suck!
Nah, best ever is 1998 ronnie even tho he has a niple, dorian is dry but flat
Tôi là con hải sâm flat? Dorian? Flat? Dorian?
Your mind is flat
@@raffaelecorrente1123 prove me that dorian is rounder than ronnie or phil health moron
Dorian (any year)
Coleman was bigger but looked softer.
Without injuries, Dorian would have won in 98.
Dorian is dryer but flater and i think 1998 is ronnie best year even tho he has a nipple
You had me on that last Christmas tree pose. Lol! The Shadow had the overall pleasing physique.
@King Of The World Two guys with ugly physiques Take your pick. Younger Dorian had a body like granite I never liked Ronnie's ugly-ass AB separation it is weird f****** chest . I also Thought j a y was better than Ronnie
@King Of The World Ronnie had proportions? yeah right. Got any more jokes for us? No calves, huge sticking out ass that was too oversized for his already nonexistent calves. Asymmetrical lats, in the later stage of his career one of them was visibly TORN, droopy saggy tits, asymmetry in conditioning all over his body. How can you have shredded glutes and hamstrings all the time but a watery back with thick skin? How do your legs from the back look diced but watery from the front? His calves were not only pathetic in size but conditioning/vascularity/shape as well. I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about, Dorian is twice as proportioned as Ronnie.
@@dj_m19 I'll second that about dorian, I saw him guest pose in 96 and even though being off-season, his proportions still piss all over ronnies. The guy had back striations even in the off-season ffs and don't even get me started on those calves in person! Prime dorian was very balanced and symmetrical. That's coming from Kevin Horton himself who snapped multiple photos, not just the back and whites! Honestly wasting your time explaining to those who have no idea about criteria side of things, I have countless times as well as lusian but kinda hard to get through to an idiot 😂
NO ONE ever.. ever, said Dorian physique was pleasing! The opposite
Although the mandatories are tied, I think if they were to actually stand next to each other on stage then Coleman would take it. He’s just so much bigger and more complete than Yates. Yates had weak arms(except for side tricep) and worse legs, with a not much better midsection, so I don’t think he could beat Ronnie when standing on the same stage.
The thing is that as you said it all comes down to the mandatories. I think Ronnie takes it in a close battle. Ronnie as a whole looks certainly more dominant than Dorian, but bodybuilding is judged on winning poses thus I think it would be close with both at their best.
Chad Chadiel Ronnie ‘99 really isn’t bigger than Yates ‘93. His shape and slightly smaller frame and muscle bellies give him an illusion. Stand them next to each other and Yates is more dense and way harder, but not as shapely. Also look at the quads, always fascinating. Dorians mass in his legs sits low, closer to the knees whilst Ronnie’s sits much higher closer to the hips. Ronnie’s chest is also deeper & he has much better front delts.
he wasn't bigger lol. They were about the same size in those years. Ronnie was sub 260 pounds until 2003. Look at his 2002 Mr. O weight? 257 pounds? the same as Dorian in 1993. 257 pounds. Dorian became even bigger after 1993, that wasn't his biggest.
front double - ronnie
front relaxed - ronnie
back lat spread - ronnie
side chest - ronnie
most muscular - ronnie
front lat spread - ronnie
back double bicep - yates
side triceps - yates
I've always said the greatest is between Phil and Ronnie. Ronnie was the biggest freak but the ultimate of genetic muscle and frame was phil apart from that narrow clavicle of course.
Narrow clavicle and super small ribcage. Ronnie wasn't the widest. He had one of the biggest ribcages.
Now you kept making comments about Ronnie being bigger Cory and wait more than Ronnie did Dorian was like 260 on stage that night Coleman was like 249 this year Dorian was bigger than him and if they had stood next to each other you would have saw that That's why he beat Ronnie every year Go back and look at Ronnie from 96 and '97 he pretty much looked just like this and he couldn't touch Dorian he would have never been able to beat Dorian if Dorian did not retire
They were both 257 these years. The difference is Dorian looks smaller than his weight while Ronnie looks bigger than his weight. Ronnie has the fuller muscle bellies, greater sweep in the quads, bigger biceps, bigger chest, etc...etc...
@@xaviervega468 then why did he never beat him why does everybody that went to these shows say that Dorian dominated these people why does everybody say that why did Kevin levrone say that Dorian was unbeatable why did Jay Cutler say that Ronnie couldn't have beat Dorian look up the interview from February 2022 Jay Cutler said that Dorian was superior to Ronnie that he had less weaknesses
@@xaviervega468 and Coleman was 249 and 98 and 99
@@xaviervega468 if you had stood them next to each other you would have saw who the bigger guy was why did they call Dorian the mass monster and say he was bigger than everybody why does flex wheeler and all of them say that Dorian was the biggest guy I mean Paul dillet was a little bit bigger but he wasn't in the same league as Dorian plus he was taller Dorian was actually still just as big as him he was just taller
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr Because Ronnie hadn't peaked yet. That's like asking why Dorian didn't beat Lee Haney in 91
We’re just splitting hairs with this comparison.
OmG that was a rollercoaster! loving it ! to me both were so perfecT!
Dorian is Great! But Ronnie is the Number One!
12:30 "THE SHADOW, DORIAN YATES, OF 1993" OVERFLOWING WITH EMOTION
NOW RONI COLEMAN IS A SHADOW))))
Ronnie is unreal. But does anyone actually want to look like him? Although, that said, if I could have the physique of any BB’er, I’d go with deep off-season Roelly. The Dad Bod God.
Good chat, but I don't think thats the point of the video
Coleman fans always say he’s just too much, Dorian fans say that Dorian is harder and grainier. Other than the front lat spread and side tricep I think Ronnie has him from front and side (ab and thigh is debatable) but when they turn around it’s just a different story. Dorian has much thinner skin and the detail is crazy, Ronnie may have more pure size but he’s kinda soft from the back, and dorians traps are far, far bigger and thicker and more conditioned and his lower back is much better. Honestly who wins depends on what you like.
As someone who has nothing but praise for both of these incredible athletes and pioneers of the sport. You really missed the mark on this analysis with regards to size. The heaviest Dorian ever weighed on stage was 260. Ronnie was over 290. In a battle of shape and conditioning Dorian takes it, but if they were truly standing next to each other on stage Ronnie would dwarf him in size which was one of Ronnie’s biggest claims to fame. It’s why it was so hard for Jay Cutler to beat him for so long. He had so much more mass.
Good comparison video. I still think Ronnie’s size would have been the difference. Neither of these guys are my favorite but I don’t see anyone beating Ronnie at his best. I don’t think Dorian could beat Phil at his best either.
I mean if they were all at their best it would be an epic competition. If you check videos I would almost say Ronnie is the worst. He was the most insane size wise but I feel like he was really lacking in a lot of ways. Prime phil and prime dorian we’re both better in live action
Dorian weighed more this year than Ronnie lmao
what size, they were more or less the same size and Ronnie was getting dwarfed by Nasser the year before. Can you people hop off it already, Coleman wasn't as big as you may think he was pre 2003.
Coming from this era... Dorian beat people with better structure and genetics because of condition (with the big guys), and size (against small guys like S Ray). Ronnie size was equal and was just as lean
He was not just as lean and his posing was worse.
YEAH!!! Great Video!!! Love it!!!
Close one
I have Coleman winning by one pose mainly due to his size and the legs. It's subjective tho and judging criteria changed over the years so who knows.
Ronnie would win in a real comparison no doubt about it no arguments to be made. If we say Ronnie and Yates backs are equal or even that Yates has a slightly better back. That’s the only thing other than the midsection (which wasn’t bad for Ronnie in 99) and slightly better conditioning in certain areas that Dorian matches Ronnie or Beats him in. Ronnie is vastly superior in the entire lower body, and upper body excluding back. To get a sense of both bodybuilders size all you really need is the front relaxed and most muscular. Yates only has one pose or maybe two the side tri and abs n thigh which he blows Ronnie out of the water in whereas Ronnie has the front relaxed, all most muscular variations, front double bicep and side chest.
TheLusianPopa If they are both not flexing in the front relaxed and one guy is noticeably bigger then yes it can be used to determine size as they are both relaxed. Ronnie calves aren’t bad, they are mediocre but yes Dorian wins there. Dorian has mediocre glutes so I would say the glutes and calves even out. And at least in my opinion, in a battle of two MASS monsters, it should be about who looks the freakiest not aesthetics so I would say ronnies freaky glutes enhance the RLS making him look crazy. Ronnies quads are way better than Dorians, and when did Dorian ever have feathered quads? U say what are superior quads, they are visible in every single shot, not just the ab and thigh pose so actually it’s a huge advantage having better quads. U say what good are better arms when he gets crushed in the side triceps, but Ronnies arms destroy Dorian’s in the most muscular, FDB, BDB and the side chest, that’s 4 poses to 1 for Ronnie where his arms show dominance over dorians. Dorians chest was pretty small, you can’t criticise the ‘droopyness’ of ronnies chest as it was only droopy in the front relaxed and was wayyyy to big for Dorian to even compete with, just compare side chest shot. Also come on Ronnie doesn’t have bad forearms either so u can’t criticise Ronnie for having slightly smaller than Dorian. I would say Ronnie and Yates back is equal as there really isn’t enough in it to declare one back better in both back poses. So with back equal, Ronnie wins in:Biceps,Chest,shoulders,quads, hamstrings, glutes. And Dorian wins: abs and calves, so really in the age of mass monsters, Ronnie had all the most important body parts superior over Dorian. Also u say the most muscular didn’t matter, literally every single bodybuilder hit it, it was pretty much mandatory, do you think the judges closed their eyes when they did the most muscular, no they obviously didn’t, it counted for a lot. Dorian only destroys Ronnie in the side triceps and abs and thigh poses whereas Ronnie destroys him in the FDB, side chest, all the most muscular variations which there are about 3 of, and the back poses are about equal as they are so close so really, Ronnie is a more complete bodybuilder and a better one.
TheLusianPopa in my opinion, even thought the most muscular wasn’t technically a pose, it definitely counted a huge amount, u can’t possibly say it doesn’t have any influence. The most muscular is probably the best measure of frontal thickness, it’s been being hit way way way before Dorian and ronnies time, it definitely counted so don’t try to exclude that. And I’m sorry but this argument about you saying that Yates has better legs because his calves were good is so flawed, you can’t say that Ronnie has much better hams glutes and quads but then say but Dorian has better legs because his calves are more proportionate, ronnies calves really aren’t that small, it’s just your comparing them to some of the biggest in hisotry. I don’t really wanna talk about glutes too much but IMO ronnies huge ones add more to his back poses as they are perfectly shredded with his hamstrings, that whole area is just like a web of striations. I just can’t give Dorian the overall win as Ronnie is way more complete, he has everything, except a good short tricep head (because his long tricep head was huge) and good abs. Dorians legs aren’t bad in any means but compared to Ronnie they get shown up. Dorian is lacking extra size and separation in his legs(apart from calves gosh), his long tricep head, biceps and chest. So therefore Ronnie is more complete. Also, when we compare shots that each of them destroy the other one in, Ronnie has more. I wouldn’t say Dorian destroys Ronnie in the FLS as everything else on Ronnie is superior other than the lats which aren’t bad at all just not as good as Dorians. And neither of them destroy each other in the back poses, you can’t argue this as if one of them easily destroyed the other in a back pose then the topic on who had the best back poses wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. So therefore I would say Dorian DESTROYS Ronnie in the AT and ST, whereas Ronnie DESTROYS Dorian in the FDB, SC and the MM( yes I am counting this as a pose as it did actually have a huge impact and was taken into consideration by the judges, especially in the era of the mass monsters,). Therefore Ronnie has 3 knockout shots to Dorians 2 so I would say Ronnie beats Dorian. I judged it on knockout shots because the back poses and FLS can arguably go either way so it’s best to decide on who was the most complete and who had the most poses where they destroyed the other bodybuilder. Dorians just too incomplete to beat Ronnie imo, if Dorian had better arms, delts, chest ,better quads and hams then Dorian would destroy Ronnie, but he doesn’t so Ronnie is better. Also to go back to the most muscular pose and the Front relaxed, they both highlight how much mass Dorian was lacking in his shoulders chest and arms, he looks so flat in those poses, at least in no Ronnie poses you can say he doesn’t have enough muscle development there. Ronnie is more complete so is therefore better IMO as the only thing he lacked was good abs, which weren’t even that bad in 1999 compared to later years
TheLusianPopa take away Dorians back and he is a fairly poor bodybuiler, take away ronnies back and he would still be a top bodybuilder due to his huge legs and upper body. Just think about it, Dorian had worse arms shoulders and chest than almost anyone in the top 6 at that time. This just proves that Ronnie is more complete.
TheLusianPopa bruhhhh u must be crazy if you think that dorian in 93 was beating flex in the FDB and AT like seriously wtf, come on flex DESTROYS Dorian in both of them. You keep going on about forearms and calves, ronnies forearms really aren’t bad like your saying they are, they don’t stand out as a weakness at all like Kai greenes, they just aren’t a strength but deffo aren’t a weakness. You also keep going on about ‘golden ratio’ this ‘golden ratio’ that, I’m sorry but your comparing two humongous bodybuilders, they are called MASS MONSTERS, yes you can go into the whole “bodubuilding should be about perfect proportions and symmetry ect ect blah blah blah” but no, this was the 90s and early 2000s, not the 70s and 80s. I’m also talking about who was the better bodybuilder through the pictures, I’m not talking about the posing or anything which Dorian was obviosuly better at. I can’t believe you say Dorian is more complete than Ronnie because he has slightly bigger forearms and calves. No that doesn’t make him more complete, he can have all the golden ratio calve and forearm stuff in the world but if he isn’t big enough in certain muscle groups to compete such as in the chest delts arms then he isnt complete. I can’t see how you can insist that Ronnie is incomplete because of two small muscles such as the calves and forearms which he isn’t huge in when Dorian has huge muscle groups such as the chest shoulders and arms which he lacks size and shape in and definition. And I can’t believe you just said that Ronnie barley beat flex levrone ray and nasser. He was much much better don’t fool yourself, Ray is wayyyyy too small and narrow, Kevin doesn’t have the legs or back, nasser was complete but not conditioned enough and not a good enough back and flex was also pretty complete but didn’t have the mass or hamstrings and glutes. When people like you start bringing in shape proportion and symmetry into a battle of mass monsters it’s just so so so so stupid. This isn’t zane vs Arnold it’s two of the biggest bodybuilders ever. Like I said take away Dorians back and he has 0 strong major bodyparts, he only has good calves and forearms which as much as you won’t like to here this, they aren’t as important as other boduparty such as biceps chest legs triceps shoulders ect. Take away ronnies back and he has many many major body part strengths such as the chest arms delts and legs. Other than his back Dorian has no stand out features. Ronnie is more complete for a mass monster, maybe not for the perfect golden ration statue figure but if your comparing Ronnie to that criteria then your being stupid :)
Calves are not more important than glutes. The only people that say that are Dorian fans. They also like to bring up forearms. And just like on the legs, the upper part of the limb matters more. Just to illustrate, we have had multiple Mr. O winners with mediocre calves. Including ronnie and dexter. But we have not had a Mr O winner with bad glutes. If you dont agree you are simply in denial.
Great video from a Yates fan, Just stumbled on your channel recently. Love your golden area stuff. Not enough Boďybuilding history stuff. What's province you from, N.S, here.
Better body, or better bodybuilder? Make sure before you opine about whom is better that you take in to account aesthetics, symmetry, proportions, posing, all body parts, etcetera.
This is why you guys aren't judges. Dorian was better in half the poses as well as Ronnie being better in half. It's on a pose by pose basis. Too many of you go by Ronnie being about 25lbs bigger and say he automatically wins. That's not how this works.
If you look at the way Yates and Ronnie do their rear lat spreads, Ronnie looks to have found a better way to perform it. His fists go way behind his back and he turns his shoulder bladed more rounded like a tortoise shell. Yates does it old school and just puts his fists in his sides.
I'd take Dorian side tri, ab and thighs and detailed in the back. Just. That's my personal preference. But you can clearly see the case for Ronnie of course - the fullness is just staggering.
But the greatest physique in history is Dorian three weeks out in '93. Weighing about 275, full as fuck, already ripped to all hell. The balance at that size was unparallelled.
That was Dorians peak for sure, the black & whites. Though I still prefer Colemans peak, his overall structure. I think Dorians RDB in the 93 black and whites is second best in history when compared with Colemans 2003 RDB
ronnie off cource.his traps are reaching his ears.his muscles are better in every pose
You sound stupid
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Its a way of posing bruh, Ronnie used to bring his shoulder down to make his traps pop out. Think if Dorian would've done that with such a wide lats.
You really think that Dorian have bigger lats than Ronnie ahhahahah?Ronnies lats looks smaller in front poses because his chest are huge and they cover lats,Dorian chest are patethic and this is why Dorian look like have bigger lats.
wait what you gave @6:11 to Dorian ? did i hear that right ?
I seriously can't believe you're actually comparing the two!!
Bigger and better legs, ripped hamstring and glutes, better conditioning upstairs, bigger arms, only in the ab department he loses, side triceps too, overall he smokes Yates
I just always thought Ronnie was over rated ..too big ..I think Ronnie was his best in 98 after that he lost condition due to being over sized...Yates dominated him all through the 90s so what the point of comparison...the only one who ever got a sniff of winning against Yates was levrone
hot dog yet Shawn was his greatest rival lol
@@christian_urocar you are totally wrong..Shawn was too short and small for those guys..
hot dog I’m just speaking in terms of olympia placings
@@christian_urocar Shawn was 2 time runner up ...Kevin was 4 times.kevin won more first places then Shawn as well ..
hot dog against dorian? Shawn placed
higher.
93 was flex runner up
94 Shawn
95 Kevin
96 Shawn
97 nasser
98 flex ... which olympias are you talking about?
All the Dorian saying this wouldn’t be close are outta of there fn mind it would have been super close and could have went either way
well done, agree!
Coleman’s back double he always had his arms up too high. Made his biceps peak more, but took away from his lat width
In this pose, Dorian is drier and has twice the shoulders compared to Ronnie.
@@mitswO Dorian might be drier, but his back flattens out, and his arms have no pop to them whatsoever. Ronnie's back looks much thicker and his arms are huge.
@@xaviervega468 I can only agree that Ronnie arms look huge, especially the peaks of his biceps, but if you look closely Dorian destroys it in the shoulders, and when you say that Dorian back is flat, Ronnie back is the complete opposite. It is the one that is flat, it has width but from the side it always looks flat simply because its intermediate trapeziums were not as prominent as Dorian, which from the side looks like he had a turtle shell on his back.
Ronnie looks like a muscular insect.
Dorian from 1992 to 1994 was unbeateble. He was real king and legend.
Exactly
Nice arms lmao
Yates' lats aren't that much better in the front lat spread. His arms are smaller. Coleman's arms hide his lats a bit. Ronnie wins FLS everywhere, except the calves.
Holy shit, this was close.
Dorian took bodybuilding to a new level but honestly in my opinion Ronnie honestly out blows him especially in 2003.
Love your video's, this one got me to sub :)
Dorian wins the ab and thigh side tricep, front lat spread, and back double.
Ronnie wins the front double, side chest, back double, and most muscular.
4-4 tie. These guys are just too evenly matched. Pose per pose. I always liked Dorian specificly because he wasn't very complete, but he was very affective in the poses. He isn't known for great triceps, and a small waist, but he is able to make his waist small in the ab and thigh, and front lat spread. He is able to make his tricep look huge by doing a side tricep. That's why he is my favorite 👍
The poses that Dorian wins are very close and I'd easily give the bdb to Coleman and the rear lats spread. But in fdb and sidechest, Coleman simply destroys Dorian. Look at dorians shoulders and arms...
My man, I think you should compare the Ronnie of the 2001 ASC vintage to a bunch of other guys. He was reportedly "only" about 245-247 at that show, but IMO, that was one of his best physiques. He was shredded to the bone, dry but full in all the right places. The only demerit: he had some stomach distention, even at the lower bodyweight.
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6:21 Seriously, I am a Dorian fan, but how can the front double biceps be an easy win for Dorian? Ronnie has the better arms (peakier biceps and better definition) and his bigger quads with more outer sweep and relatively small waist give the pose an amazing X shape. On the other hand, the Front Double was never an outstanding pose for Dorian (could have been in 96 though, but his torn biceps ruins it) and, even with both biceps here, he looks rather blocky compared to Ronnie.
I didn't watch the video but if he said that then you have all you need to know. Front double might have been Dorians weakest shot!
He made a mistake. He gave it to Ronnie. He accidentally said Dorian.
@@israelcampoverde8955 I thought that might have been the case. I almost had a heart attack when he said that.
If only these two could have competed together just once
The lighting isn’t doing Dorian any favors in most of these shots.
Dorian 93 never bettered. Coleman had no calves. He lost right there. You cant be Mr Olympia with no calves.
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how you can compare the rear double biceps
Ronnie is just so much bigger the amount of muscle on his lats if far superior there’s even more detail between the lats and the lower back..And his legs are soo much better . It’s like your not even looking at the legs. Dorians arms look so inferior as well in this pose.
And you literally started the pose by saying it’s a dorian pose .. you were already being biased
Pro life only I can literally see striationsnof muscle fibers on his glutes and his hams are fkn popping out like crazy and they are peeeled . Look at his right lat the thick muscle straitions going out around the scapula . Amazing his arms also look so impressive .. his size alone is far superior .
@Pro life only Definitely not seeing a "melted back". What I am seeing is similar size, better shape, and better arms and legs in the back double bicep. Yates has better condition but loses the Back Double Bicep for all those reasons, not the least of which is inferior biceps.
Dorian wins the rear double pretty easy. Ronnie had better biceps and legs, glutes perhaps too big for my taste, Dorian had superior Calves and delts. it comes down to size vs hardness. dorian was a bit smaller that ronnie, but as far as hardness the two are on different planets. Its like comparing a peace of wood to a hunk of granite. Guess which ones the wood? go ahead guess!
Marx Max Muscle guys with better conditoning have lost to Ronnie .. guys with actual double biceps lol just a joke hehe
when I started watching bodybuilding
it was size would win you shows I mean you had to be cut of course but everyone was chasing Ronnie’s size . So maybe your from the 90’s where it was more about hardness not about getting massive.
@TheLusianPopa that's what i've been trying to tell to these people. They keep comparing body parts one against another and the second they see one bigger than the other that's where their minds stop working. In their minds a bit more mass= better, despite Ronnie's symmetry, proportions, flow of the physique being far worse than Dorian's and I don't even have to mention the conditioning aspect. He had a huge ass and no calves for god's sake, no judge wants to see that. Literally not a single judge wants that in a physique
How is Dorian Yates the greatest of all time with thorns biceps and unproportion smaller than Ronnie
Because of the circle jerking old heads youtube fanboys.
97 Olympia was an absolute joke bro
Bumstead is the modern Dorian Yates , I mean looks at Bumstead and Dorian next to each other , they're almost the same
lol, Ronnie would blow him off the stage. Ronnie would make him look tiny. You took Dorian's best shape and pics vs Ronnie's average pics and condition.
Kevin Levrone said Dorian would've beaten Ronnie in 1998. Ronnie barely beat Flex by 3 points and had horrible gyno but still, his 1998 version is regarded as the best version of himself, better than the 1999 version. So who is right, professional bodybuilders that were there and competed against both, or you, a youtube dweller that probably hasn't seen either of them in person and base your entire opinion on 25 year old pictures and footage shot by inferior technology?
If Ronnie had Dorians calves, he would have won ANOTHER 8 Olympias!!
Dorian Is Awesome Best Ever.
Dorian beats Ronnie in the back and front lat spread ab and thighs and triceps and calves and that's it unfortunately oh I forgot his grainy condition
99 Ronnie don't beat 93 Yates, but 03 Ronnie Destroys every version of yates
03 Ronnie a water buffalo against granite🙄
The camera shot if from the front like Ronnie had will make a difference
Mmm can't go against 99 Ronnie .And you said 2nd greatest bodybuilder of all time and Phil have something to say about it Whaaat??? is this a troll video guys ?
Nice vid. My opinion. - Front Poses: Much of a muchness. Side Chest - Easily Ronnie. Back Poses: Ronnie blows him out of the water with the massive traps.
99 Coleman and 93yates were similar weights actually. People dont realize that. The lighting for dorian was terrible at the 93 Olympia. There easily the top 2 of all time
Without these two being born, we have Flex Wheeler the 14 time Mr O.