Looking good bro! I must admit i did say put a pull down/handrail on the outside for ease and extra structure. Nothing to do with safety i know you’re not an idiot! Keep up the great work. (Btw before people judge my comment ive been building houses for 14+ years)
To mute the haters, add a aluminum bar going the length of the outside of the right stringer to remove the flex in the stairs under heavy load. Love the commitment to perfecting this "simple" project, keep it going
that's really cool. But if you want to stop the haters about the load capacity of it. Just build yourself a simple pully-lift for the heavy things.....and have the stairs just be for yourself, and light items. I think a pully-lift should be in all 2 story homes. LOL
I Literally Just Found Your Channel And I Immediately Subscribed!!!! You Are An Amazing Craftsman, And I Love Those Cool Foldable Stairs That You Built!!!! I Would Love To Work With You One Day!!!! As Far As The Haters, F@#k 'em!!!! BTW You Inspired Me To Want To Create My Own Foldable Stairs For My Mezzanine!!!! Thank You For Being You Bro!!!!!!!!!💪💪💪❤️❤️❤️
just remember man 90% of guys giving u shit have never picked up a hammer and definitely not put there self out here to try and make something love ur stuff
@@nialltracey2599 It depends. Screwing a screw into the end of a grain isn't typically as strong as perpendicular to the grain, so I would avoid load bearing with an end grain screw, but I do consider them to be load bearing. Even in a shear test, where the load is perpendicular to the screw length, the grip of the grain is helping resist the screw bending and pulling its way out. Getting the correct size of pilot hole is key. Screws in plywood are pretty strong because it resists shearing out big chunks and is less likely to split sideways.
@@nialltracey2599 Screws should not be used in structural applications unless they are specifically designed for that purpose. The issue with screws is their shear strength, they hold well but they can't bend, they just break. Nails won't break, they'll just bend, and that is why we prefer nails over screws for structural work. Carriage bolts are also a good idea to use when needed and applicable, they are used all the time in structural applications.
I love this design also I only have one problem. screws on bright side are in a pulling position instead of a pushing position constantly pulling on the threads. Think I would use a countersink with nuts on the back. What do you think
I've never heard of you before, RUclips randomly suggested this video today, and I'm so glad it did! I couldn't care less about your skateboard projects or your folding stairs, but I freaking LOVED your snappy, saucy commentary and your sarcastic, yet ultimately very positive and enlightening attitude to life. If this is what all your videos are like, you can do whatever you want, it doesn't matter what your video is officially about, I'll watch it just to listen to how you talk about shit. Stay frosty, dude, you rock!
I just wanna thank the haters for giving enough engagement to this channel so I can discover and sub it. Such a genius idea. How has no one in the minimalist architecture world not try this yet?
The author does like to from scratch, ruclips.net/user/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practise the full stack project, is still great.
This was absolutely therapeutic to watch your response to those low quality comments that come en masse when something goes viral (it’s not all it’s cracked up to be) amazing work! Haven’t seen any of your skateboard stuff yet but am about to.
@@Nbomber ??? The hills that yall will die on to be entitled to lay in to people as though you know better is really astounding. Stop trying to pick a fight, i have other things to do
@@Nbomber I don't believe anything that I said had anything to do with stairs or building codes. It's not the subject of my original comment or any further one. Online, if you're familiar with having a large number of anonymous followers, there are instances where, especially a large influx of people who are outside of your audience meet with your content, and make either snap judgements, out of context criticisms or dismissive and cruel remarks. When a sea of things like this, mixed in with the positive, come at someone all at once, I'm sure you can understand how overwhelming that can be. I'm so happy for you that you were able to get your degree. But I certainly don't know why you're talking to me.
Keep your eyes off our building codes and worry about the dental care in your country. It's not like this staircase is installed inside of a mall. It's one dude who is going to be using it, I'm pretty sure you don't need to be considered with the safety aspect. People are so uptight about nothing these days.
@@Nbomber keep saying the words "building codes" at me, you'll be sure to prove I'm wrong about the way that people get harassed en masse by strangers on the internet, the way that you're currently doing despite me having nothing to do with building stairs, soon enough.
@@dizzytt69 Well, I believe it could be done. It could fold UP (towards the loft) and parallel and down on itself before you fold the staircase itself.
Structural Designer here. Woby, I would use this video to teach structural design to future students. There is nothing quite like seeing someone actually do the work. It certainly gave me ideas. I'm going to give insight with the intent of helping you and viewers understand the structural integrity behind these designs, so anyone who is considering/planning to use this video as guidance for their project. For anyone wondering why there is still observable deflection (bounce) or wants to get rid of that deflection (bounce) for their particular design, make the outside stringer deeper. Woby stayed consistent with the standard 2x12 (1.5"x11.25" actual dimensions) stringer depth (11.25") and decided to go for stronger and wider material. The design will get more bang per buck if you go deeper rather than wider in this case. The deeper you make it, the less deflection (bounce). This becomes more important as the length of the stringer increases. Also the inside stringer is a ledge rather than a true stringer. Its supported directly by the wall via the screw pattern. You don't have to spend much time or material on the actual ledge here. just make certain that you are screwing into the structure adequately. I would only recommend these stairs after seeing exact design of the built up stringer. I'd prefer you guys buy LVLs rather than make your own stringers. They go up to 24" deep and are designed to be used as a solid built up piece. If the lumber company has a good designer, they can design the stringer for you just because they are selling you the lumber.
Deeper as in the depth of the stair stringer. If wolby used a 2x10 for the stair stringer both times, he wouldve gotten less bounce if he used a 2x12 the second time. I hope thats clear.
Hi @raysawnholmes603 Would you be able to post some homedepot links to the products you are suggestion? it might give me a better visual representation of what you are describing. Thank you!
I cannot fathom why anyone would feel the need to hate on something that made YOUR work space better for YOU. Thank you for this video. I'm still learning the ins and outs of building things. I definitely should've paid more attention in my math classes. My work space has a loft and I intend to do something similar but on a smaller scale and maybe more of a library ladder type of incline. Thank you again Woby!
It's awesome that in breaking the staircase you paid close attention to the methods of failure. You turned a therapeutic/cathartic exercise into destructive testing!
This makes me think of my favorite Adam Savage quote. "Remember kids, the only difference between DOING SCIENCE and MESSING AROUND is writing down everything that happens"
First of we all need someone who says ;"Babe, breathe"! Iv'e seen almost all of your video's and you always make cool, beautifull and usefull stuff. And haters are not makers, dude. Lots of love and appreciation from the Netherlands. 😁
That's really awesome. I think non-creative / non-engineering types don't understand the drive to design and make cool, challenging, useful things because it's fun to solve problems in unique ways.
I think the foldable stairs have a really great application for families with small children. In a garage or barn or whatever where you want to be able to easily access your loft space, but not make it easy for small children to run up there and play dangerously, this design seems awesome. Kids can grab their bikes or ride on toys down below without mom or dad hollering for them to stay off the steps or ladder haha. It would be cool to see some sort of folding handrail set on the outside, just to see how it could be done, and a latch with a lock to keep it all in place. Maybe the next person to try to improve upon these can add that stuff. Great idea and super video!
Sorry I know this is hella old but I think the foldable staircase with an outside handrail would be easy to implement by just making the stringers & steps thicker and attaching a full handrail to the outside stringer: can easily still be folded up and down while having a safety measure for when you don't need the steps.
not sure in this case, but sometimes that even can make it stronger. removing material that is, as the force is not passing through the same way or something...dunno exactly why.
@@MaartenOosterbaan That is not correct. If you go for the same dimensions, the dense material is stronger. That is not necessarily the case if you go for other dimensions. So if you compare a hollow step to the non hollow step, the non hollow step has more strength, but at the cost of being a lot heavier while not giving you a huge bonus in strength. If you want I can search for a video from an engineer who explains this.
@@MaartenOosterbaan Didn't see your first sentence, sorry RUclips was buggy. If you compare an already hollow design (which one many people often see as the non hollow design) with another hollow design, the lighter one can be better.
@@dieabsolutegluckskuche5174 yeah I know in certain dimensions the same material can be stronger with less material than when it’s just a massive slab. But the strength then comes from the form I guess. At least that makes the most sense to me but I haven’t researched it and therefor my initial sentence. Because removing material in the right way could create the stronger form as such (technically…😁).
Take into consideration the strength of the runner. Reducing all that extra weight for a short step vs the long runner and the load it is caring the whole length. Also consider that the main part used in a step is the very front that takes no only the weight but the G-force of collision and that is where the strength needs to be. Now compare that thought to a ladder which also has a hollow step and think a little harder before you comment again. If he really thinks these comments have any merit he could always add a vertical piece of material or metal to the very front not out of necessity but to shut people up.
Brilliant idea and build!!!! As an engineer, I would offer a suggestion. Use a steel plate on the opposite side of the tread from the hinge than you can use flat top Allen head structural bolts and run a bolt through the tread and the steel backer plate. That way there is no danger of a screw pulling out over time. The most susceptible point to failure is at the tread on the upside-down stringer side. Now having said that again I want to congratulate you on an innovative design, It's brilliant and very very cool. I am thinking to use this idea in my new building/workshop. I never liked the idea of permanent stairs taking up valuable floor space. Your design may be the perfect solution. Great Job !!!!!
This video is exactly what the internet needs sometimes. A blunt, in your face, deal with it dose of reality. I can dig it. Keep doing you. BTW, I thought the first set was super smart, and never even thought about the dumb things people kept screaming.
Not sure why you would need handrails, when you should be just wearing a harness and a personal airbag.........great work thanks for going through all of this just to entertain us.
And throw on elbow and knee pads while you’re at it 😂😝 Jk… please stay true to yourself and your brand instead of listening to the “Karen’s” of the internet
You've just solved my problem in my own garage. This is awesome and I'll be using your idea in the future :D. Also I hate to say it, but most of those people giving you grief probably don't know the first thing about building your own things to suit individual needs. Keep up the good work and let the haters stew in their underwhelming lives.
Using the laminated plywood for your stringers was a great idea. Much stronger than dimensional lumber and unlimited length. Also, great use of your very limited space.
@@nialltracey2599 He didn't use wood screws. That was the whole reason why he pointed out the different hardware with much stronger grip. That being said, adding some kind of nylon webbing strap that crosses under each step attaching to both stringers could provide some additional security in case of screw or hinge failure. Unnecessary, but hey, if you're gonna over build something for the delight and spite of it, go hard. haha.
@@nialltracey2599 That's pretty much exactly what they are designed for. Nails are stronger when it comes to sheer strength, and screws are much harder to pull out and are prefered when the forces are acting more or less in line with the fasteners. You just need to have enough screws to share the load.
@@Nbomber Its his stair, he point out that his not a pro stair builder and furthermore state that you should use your own brain if your ever gonna build it, and even then, its at your own risk. So what is the problem? If you dont find this interesting, educating or anything positive, leave it, spend your time at something else that makes your day rock, instead of this semi troll crap..
Your personality makes this video even more enjoyable to watch. Love how your changing things up a bit for yourself. Took a shitty management situation and turned it into more views. Good for you man!
I've been watching videos on how to build stairs to go up to my roof because I fear ladders and yours is the most ingenious, simplistic, and low profile that is perfect for me to make. Thank you!!
I love this design and how easy it is to access the stairs and put them away. I have wanted to do this for a longtime, my idea was to have the stairs be against a wall like shelves then push a button and a garage door opener moves the stairs along channels to a spot making the stairs open and close like a garage door. Oh and I love the humor you put in with the posts about negative feedback! That was awesome. I am now subscribed!!
Love the solution! It's perfect for storage you don't access all the time. I will definitely be keeping this in mind if I ever have a loft. Skateboard grip tape for the treads is genius - stealing that now for my basement stairs!
Bro I love it man. Definitely need the “Woby Design” logo on the bottom so you can see it when it’s folded up, out of broken skateboards of course. Mad props man sending love from NC ! Whooooooooo!
Dude, you got another new sub #1 because I NEED stairs like this for my timy house. #2 because I can totally relate to your attitude toward people"s comments, your wife "ruining" your video etc, etc, Great job! Keep up the good work!
Thank you! One for your version of a foldable staircase. Secondly for the laughs.... From your wife interrupting your vlog to the hilarious negative comments. You're awesome!
I absolutely love these stairs - such an innovative design and incredibly satisfying. Your videos are a joy to watch and your attitude and creativity are inspiring. please keep it up :)
I’m so glad you made this. What a great alternative to the typical tiny house stairs with storage that take up precious floor space. Thanks for the guide!
I was searching for videos on folding stairways to address getting to the loft in my newly built shop, and this was the first video that came up. Since then, I’ve watched a ton of other videos, but after about every third one, I kept coming back to this one! I’m taking that as a sign and adapting your design to my needs. Especially useful were the ideas to double the hinges, and laminating plywood to meet the need for custom lengths and thicknesses. Thanks, subbed…stay safe!
This was perfect. Ben, you need your own show on TV. I almost never comment on videos but you Sir did an amazing job on both the video and the build. I was trying to do the nightly dishes and mostly listen but I just couldn't look away. You are very captivating and personable. Thanks for being you. Now, back to the show!
We do owe you!! Some other people would have made a partitioned "course" and sold it for insane amounts with all kinds of restrictions. You are an expert of your craft and only that costs, so yes, thank you very much and congrats on designing and perfectly executing a solution that will work for so many.
I have never watched this young man before but I love his video & his work. People do need to mind there on business. When I was raised & I passed it on to my kids that " IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY TO SOMEONE , THAN DON'T SAY NOTHING AT ALL."
Best advice I ever received is Other people's opinions are none of your business. Your critic's risk nothing by expressing their input. You are the innovator keep it up. Critic's don't blow up the internet you did !!! keep it up homie!!
I’ve been waiting for a tutorial video on folding stairs for a very long time!!! I have a storage area above my galley closet and need a 14’ ladder to access it but as you know it sucks trying to carry heavy sh!t up a ladder! I’m building these this weekend, thank you! See you on Patreon (F off haters and hand rail lovers)
I just subscribed.... First, because the steps are a great idea, second, because you simply tell it like it is!! Screw the people that don't like the details of what there or not there......You explained everything very well, they are stairs for your style, your shop....if ya don't like it, well.....then change the channel. Thanks for explaining everything so well, I finally understand how to design and figure out how many treads!!!
As an architrectural designer -- this is brilliant.. Our shop house a Tiny Home Builder and this could be implemented into tiny home designs and actually meet building codes - as long as we can put a railing on it .. well done Sir.
This is awesome. I just noticed how the folded staircase aligns so closely to the handrail, you could definitely use the handrail to clip it in place when it folds! The way it is now, it kind of sways back and forth a bit even folded. Functionally its irrelevant but asthetically I think having the stairs locked solid would be appealing, and this could be done easily with some small wedges to add friction against the rail.
Just found your channel. We’re adding a loft to our garage so I immediately shared it with my hubby. Love the humor and your genius design. Thank you! Thank you!! 👏 👏 👏
Legend. Looks sick, well played. And if anyone bitches about the flexing, let's just remember basically all bridges are designed to flex and if they didn't they'd just crumble
Great project and great video. Nice to see a you-tuber being honest with their fans. Love the idea of this staircase, almost enough to build a loft so I could use one. Right now in my "shop" it would just be a stairway to nowhere. Thanks!
Brilliant. Useful. Strong. Creative. Well-engineered. Well executed. Absolutely a beauty! (My lack of English skills is why it's not even more positive!) ALWAYS a joy to watch and learn from this amazing guy, and what a difference from the container shop. WELL DONE, SIR - and you deserve every bit of good fortune! 👍
This video is awesome! I appreciated your humor and your instruction. I find it amazing how many people want to criticize others and the work they do instead of just minding their own business. People think that the right to free speech gives them the right to criticize or denigrate others work. In you case, they should actually appreciate that you shared your creation so that they could make their own. You found a solution that works for you and you shared it. Just appreciate the gift people!!
Omgosh I Love Your Personality 😂 This is BRILLIANT! No Negative comments here! Some people are so blessed to have more than enough space, they either don’t need it or don’t appreciate the worth of square footage in small spaces! Thank you so so much for this, I’m looking for a way to add stairs to an attic bedroom without disturbing the rest of the space. DONE! Love it! Thanks again ☮️💟
This is awesome! If you decided you wanted to make plans, you can build formulas into a pdf so that the buyer can put their measurements in one place, and the numbers adjust throughout the plans.
I loved the previous version, and this one too. One small piece of advice. The poiny of failure in the first version was that the screws in the steps are in the same direction as the force aplied to the system. If the hinge was placed at the side of the steps, it would take a lot more force to break it.
@@ConcededSpatula I agree with this as well, I probably wouldn't use screws on the outside hinges attaching to the treads. I would have probably used some sort of bolt and washer setup. Going into the edge isn't great because the grain is easier to split that way, might be stronger than the top, but might not be.
I think his direction of screws was smart. Screws are pretty easy to shear, so putting them sideways at the side of a step (especially in plywood) would make them more likely to fail.
Really love the straightforward humor while showing off how well made this is! Got yourself a new follower and I'll be building these for my attic.. keep the videos coming!
I just want to say: just make it fun!!!! You are great spirit uplifter! I am at home quarantining with COVID and you have perked me up! Thank you, thank you for not being pompous!!! And being very ingenious!
hey I have a suggestion for your staircase! To avoid the little sagging while it's folded up, you could put magnets so it stays stuck to the wall. Doesnt need to that strong.
SMAK! WOOOO! I LOVE IT! Good man! I really appreciate your enthusiasm and care with this video. Just the instruction I needed. Thanks for sharing and having a proactive attitude. The world needs more of it.
I feel like using high strength magnets on both the wall and the floor of the loft would help to keep the staircase in place when both folded up and folded down
I would not use high strength magnets for this. In addition to the gas struts I would buy a bunch of small general purpose neodymium magnets, suitable for kitchen cupboards etc. Embed a decently sized metal plate on one side then drill a hole and glue in a magnet on the opposing side. Not enough? Drill a second hole glue in another magnet. Repeat until you have barely enough to make the stairs stay in place. Preferably the holding strength of the magnets should not be noticeable when you fold and unfold the stairs.
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Wait are you not a stair designer!! Ive been watching this whole time thinking u designed stairs for a living
Looking good bro! I must admit i did say put a pull down/handrail on the outside for ease and extra structure. Nothing to do with safety i know you’re not an idiot! Keep up the great work. (Btw before people judge my comment ive been building houses for 14+ years)
To mute the haters, add a aluminum bar going the length of the outside of the right stringer to remove the flex in the stairs under heavy load. Love the commitment to perfecting this "simple" project, keep it going
that's really cool.
But if you want to stop the haters about the load capacity of it. Just build yourself a simple pully-lift for the heavy things.....and have the stairs just be for yourself, and light items.
I think a pully-lift should be in all 2 story homes. LOL
I Literally Just Found Your Channel And I Immediately Subscribed!!!! You Are An Amazing Craftsman, And I Love Those Cool Foldable Stairs That You Built!!!! I Would Love To Work With You One Day!!!! As Far As The Haters, F@#k 'em!!!! BTW You Inspired Me To Want To Create My Own Foldable Stairs For My Mezzanine!!!! Thank You For Being You Bro!!!!!!!!!💪💪💪❤️❤️❤️
My man made this video off of spite. I love that.
not just the video, the staircase
Out of spite!
Yeah but I don't think it's good to give attention to those types of comments!
I live off of spite and caffeine, I respect it
@@faizrahman7601 I like how he calls them out its so satisfying lol
just remember man 90% of guys giving u shit have never picked up a hammer and definitely not put there self out here to try and make something love ur stuff
@@nialltracey2599 It depends. Screwing a screw into the end of a grain isn't typically as strong as perpendicular to the grain, so I would avoid load bearing with an end grain screw, but I do consider them to be load bearing. Even in a shear test, where the load is perpendicular to the screw length, the grip of the grain is helping resist the screw bending and pulling its way out. Getting the correct size of pilot hole is key. Screws in plywood are pretty strong because it resists shearing out big chunks and is less likely to split sideways.
@@Nbomber for fuck’s sake a little dose of humility won’t do none of us any harm.
You don't need a hammer if you use screws and bolts.
@@nialltracey2599 no
@@nialltracey2599 Screws should not be used in structural applications unless they are specifically designed for that purpose. The issue with screws is their shear strength, they hold well but they can't bend, they just break. Nails won't break, they'll just bend, and that is why we prefer nails over screws for structural work.
Carriage bolts are also a good idea to use when needed and applicable, they are used all the time in structural applications.
I've been in commercial and residential construction over 50 years, I would definitely use those stairs. Very well done. 👍
Orginically designed by Zev Bianchi.
I love this design also I only have one problem. screws on bright side are in a pulling position instead of a pushing position constantly pulling on the threads. Think I would use a countersink with nuts on the back. What do you think
I've never heard of you before, RUclips randomly suggested this video today, and I'm so glad it did! I couldn't care less about your skateboard projects or your folding stairs, but I freaking LOVED your snappy, saucy commentary and your sarcastic, yet ultimately very positive and enlightening attitude to life. If this is what all your videos are like, you can do whatever you want, it doesn't matter what your video is officially about, I'll watch it just to listen to how you talk about shit. Stay frosty, dude, you rock!
My favourite part: "I add these sorry ass hand rails." "here's your stupid, fckin hand rails." haha
I love you.
I too love this man
We love you too David
If you ask me it seems like Ben was...just having some fun....
I love ur mum
@@ashlash8242 I love ur dad
I just wanna thank the haters for giving enough engagement to this channel so I can discover and sub it. Such a genius idea. How has no one in the minimalist architecture world not try this yet?
The author does like to from scratch, ruclips.net/user/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practise the full stack project, is still great.
This was absolutely therapeutic to watch your response to those low quality comments that come en masse when something goes viral (it’s not all it’s cracked up to be) amazing work! Haven’t seen any of your skateboard stuff yet but am about to.
@@Nbomber its as if thats not what i meant at all
@@Nbomber ??? The hills that yall will die on to be entitled to lay in to people as though you know better is really astounding. Stop trying to pick a fight, i have other things to do
@@Nbomber I don't believe anything that I said had anything to do with stairs or building codes. It's not the subject of my original comment or any further one. Online, if you're familiar with having a large number of anonymous followers, there are instances where, especially a large influx of people who are outside of your audience meet with your content, and make either snap judgements, out of context criticisms or dismissive and cruel remarks. When a sea of things like this, mixed in with the positive, come at someone all at once, I'm sure you can understand how overwhelming that can be. I'm so happy for you that you were able to get your degree. But I certainly don't know why you're talking to me.
Keep your eyes off our building codes and worry about the dental care in your country. It's not like this staircase is installed inside of a mall. It's one dude who is going to be using it, I'm pretty sure you don't need to be considered with the safety aspect. People are so uptight about nothing these days.
@@Nbomber keep saying the words "building codes" at me, you'll be sure to prove I'm wrong about the way that people get harassed en masse by strangers on the internet, the way that you're currently doing despite me having nothing to do with building stairs, soon enough.
I dont understand people..... I thought your foldable staircase was a brilliant idea first time I saw it.
Keep up the good work!
Some people are just fat and lazy and always need support for anything.
I thought it was brilliant too! I was wondering if his amazing mind would come up with a folding stair rail too, lol, to stop the haters.
The 1st one was great, but y'all have to admit, without the haters, he wouldn't have made the superior version.
The proper response to why is "Think about it", that is all that needs to be said. Nothing else. Yes I have a low tolerance for stupidity.
@@dizzytt69 Well, I believe it could be done. It could fold UP (towards the loft) and parallel and down on itself before you fold the staircase itself.
Structural Designer here. Woby, I would use this video to teach structural design to future students. There is nothing quite like seeing someone actually do the work. It certainly gave me ideas. I'm going to give insight with the intent of helping you and viewers understand the structural integrity behind these designs, so anyone who is considering/planning to use this video as guidance for their project.
For anyone wondering why there is still observable deflection (bounce) or wants to get rid of that deflection (bounce) for their particular design, make the outside stringer deeper. Woby stayed consistent with the standard 2x12 (1.5"x11.25" actual dimensions) stringer depth (11.25") and decided to go for stronger and wider material. The design will get more bang per buck if you go deeper rather than wider in this case. The deeper you make it, the less deflection (bounce). This becomes more important as the length of the stringer increases.
Also the inside stringer is a ledge rather than a true stringer. Its supported directly by the wall via the screw pattern. You don't have to spend much time or material on the actual ledge here. just make certain that you are screwing into the structure adequately.
I would only recommend these stairs after seeing exact design of the built up stringer. I'd prefer you guys buy LVLs rather than make your own stringers. They go up to 24" deep and are designed to be used as a solid built up piece. If the lumber company has a good designer, they can design the stringer for you just because they are selling you the lumber.
Can you clarify what you mean by “deeper” (for the stringer)? Do you mean make the stringer longer and therefore lessen the total angle of the stairs?
Deeper as in the depth of the stair stringer. If wolby used a 2x10 for the stair stringer both times, he wouldve gotten less bounce if he used a 2x12 the second time. I hope thats clear.
Hi @raysawnholmes603 Would you be able to post some homedepot links to the products you are suggestion? it might give me a better visual representation of what you are describing. Thank you!
I cannot fathom why anyone would feel the need to hate on something that made YOUR work space better for YOU. Thank you for this video. I'm still learning the ins and outs of building things. I definitely should've paid more attention in my math classes. My work space has a loft and I intend to do something similar but on a smaller scale and maybe more of a library ladder type of incline. Thank you again Woby!
It's awesome that in breaking the staircase you paid close attention to the methods of failure. You turned a therapeutic/cathartic exercise into destructive testing!
This makes me think of my favorite Adam Savage quote. "Remember kids, the only difference between DOING SCIENCE and MESSING AROUND is writing down everything that happens"
First of we all need someone who says ;"Babe, breathe"! Iv'e seen almost all of your video's and you always make cool, beautifull and usefull stuff. And haters are not makers, dude. Lots of love and appreciation from the Netherlands. 😁
That's really awesome. I think non-creative / non-engineering types don't understand the drive to design and make cool, challenging, useful things because it's fun to solve problems in unique ways.
I think the foldable stairs have a really great application for families with small children. In a garage or barn or whatever where you want to be able to easily access your loft space, but not make it easy for small children to run up there and play dangerously, this design seems awesome. Kids can grab their bikes or ride on toys down below without mom or dad hollering for them to stay off the steps or ladder haha. It would be cool to see some sort of folding handrail set on the outside, just to see how it could be done, and a latch with a lock to keep it all in place. Maybe the next person to try to improve upon these can add that stuff. Great idea and super video!
Sorry I know this is hella old but I think the foldable staircase with an outside handrail would be easy to implement by just making the stringers & steps thicker and attaching a full handrail to the outside stringer: can easily still be folded up and down while having a safety measure for when you don't need the steps.
19:38 the world needs a whole lot more of this mentality right now.
you rock bro, keep it up!!
16:53 Yes, the world needs more of this!
Using that “hollow” middle layer for the steps was a genius move, a very smart way to minimise weight while sacrificing the least strength
not sure in this case, but sometimes that even can make it stronger. removing material that is, as the force is not passing through the same way or something...dunno exactly why.
@@MaartenOosterbaan That is not correct. If you go for the same dimensions, the dense material is stronger. That is not necessarily the case if you go for other dimensions. So if you compare a hollow step to the non hollow step, the non hollow step has more strength, but at the cost of being a lot heavier while not giving you a huge bonus in strength. If you want I can search for a video from an engineer who explains this.
@@MaartenOosterbaan Didn't see your first sentence, sorry RUclips was buggy.
If you compare an already hollow design (which one many people often see as the non hollow design) with another hollow design, the lighter one can be better.
@@dieabsolutegluckskuche5174 yeah I know in certain dimensions the same material can be stronger with less material than when it’s just a massive slab. But the strength then comes from the form I guess. At least that makes the most sense to me but I haven’t researched it and therefor my initial sentence. Because removing material in the right way could create the stronger form as such (technically…😁).
Take into consideration the strength of the runner. Reducing all that extra weight for a short step vs the long runner and the load it is caring the whole length. Also consider that the main part used in a step is the very front that takes no only the weight but the G-force of collision and that is where the strength needs to be. Now compare that thought to a ladder which also has a hollow step and think a little harder before you comment again.
If he really thinks these comments have any merit he could always add a vertical piece of material or metal to the very front not out of necessity but to shut people up.
Brilliant idea and build!!!!
As an engineer, I would offer a suggestion. Use a steel plate on the opposite side of the tread from the hinge than you can use flat top Allen head structural bolts and run a bolt through the tread and the steel backer plate. That way there is no danger of a screw pulling out over time. The most susceptible point to failure is at the tread on the upside-down stringer side.
Now having said that again I want to congratulate you on an innovative design, It's brilliant and very very cool. I am thinking to use this idea in my new building/workshop. I never liked the idea of permanent stairs taking up valuable floor space. Your design may be the perfect solution.
Great Job !!!!!
Really enjoyed this! As a general contractor, I fully appreciate the time, skill and knowledge involved in this amazing project! Well done sir!
This video is exactly what the internet needs sometimes. A blunt, in your face, deal with it dose of reality. I can dig it. Keep doing you.
BTW, I thought the first set was super smart, and never even thought about the dumb things people kept screaming.
My thoughts exactly Chris!
Not sure why you would need handrails, when you should be just wearing a harness and a personal airbag.........great work thanks for going through all of this just to entertain us.
And throw on elbow and knee pads while you’re at it 😂😝
Jk… please stay true to yourself and your brand instead of listening to the “Karen’s” of the internet
@@nimer9664 😮 Shame on you....you forgot to mention the hard hat and the Colin Furze patented 'Safety Tie' 😂😂
Mouthpiece?
@@robertharris8106 Hell yer
Yea the handrails was unnecessary but looks great tho...
You've just solved my problem in my own garage. This is awesome and I'll be using your idea in the future :D. Also I hate to say it, but most of those people giving you grief probably don't know the first thing about building your own things to suit individual needs. Keep up the good work and let the haters stew in their underwhelming lives.
What a dope idea! As a guy that lives in a small apartment I can confirm: every meter of space matters!
Using the laminated plywood for your stringers was a great idea. Much stronger than dimensional lumber and unlimited length. Also, great use of your very limited space.
Love how he over-engineered the shit out of it just for the haters. Got me cracking up man I love this guy
@@nialltracey2599 you’re the problem.
@@nialltracey2599 He didn't use wood screws. That was the whole reason why he pointed out the different hardware with much stronger grip. That being said, adding some kind of nylon webbing strap that crosses under each step attaching to both stringers could provide some additional security in case of screw or hinge failure. Unnecessary, but hey, if you're gonna over build something for the delight and spite of it, go hard. haha.
@@WobyDesign Your videos are fun. Thanks for making videos like this that are cathartic on multiple levels.
@@nialltracey2599 That's pretty much exactly what they are designed for. Nails are stronger when it comes to sheer strength, and screws are much harder to pull out and are prefered when the forces are acting more or less in line with the fasteners. You just need to have enough screws to share the load.
@@Nbomber Its his stair, he point out that his not a pro stair builder and furthermore state that you should use your own brain if your ever gonna build it, and even then, its at your own risk. So what is the problem? If you dont find this interesting, educating or anything positive, leave it, spend your time at something else that makes your day rock, instead of this semi troll crap..
Your personality makes this video even more enjoyable to watch. Love how your changing things up a bit for yourself. Took a shitty management situation and turned it into more views. Good for you man!
I've been watching videos on how to build stairs to go up to my roof because I fear ladders and yours is the most ingenious, simplistic, and low profile that is perfect for me to make. Thank you!!
WOW! Love the staircase, love your ingenuity, love your sense of humor and love the fact that your wife doesn’t take you too seriously!
Certified banger!
You're awesome, keep up the great attitude! Top notch work.
You handled the negative comments with a perfect balance of sarcasm and kindness. I loved it!
I love this design and how easy it is to access the stairs and put them away. I have wanted to do this for a longtime, my idea was to have the stairs be against a wall like shelves then push a button and a garage door opener moves the stairs along channels to a spot making the stairs open and close like a garage door. Oh and I love the humor you put in with the posts about negative feedback! That was awesome. I am now subscribed!!
This man is teaching us not only how he built his stairs, but math as well. Wow. 😄 🔥💪
I’ve been a carpenter/woodworker for 30 years, and I think you’ve done a great job, don’t listen to the trolls!!
Are you kidding me!!!! Awesome job. Thank you for the inspiration. It helps a lot. Don't listen to the negative comments.
Love the solution! It's perfect for storage you don't access all the time. I will definitely be keeping this in mind if I ever have a loft.
Skateboard grip tape for the treads is genius - stealing that now for my basement stairs!
Bro I love it man. Definitely need the “Woby Design” logo on the bottom so you can see it when it’s folded up, out of broken skateboards of course. Mad props man sending love from NC ! Whooooooooo!
Wasn’t made out of old skateboards unsub!
😂 😂
Looks great my dude!
bruh there was grip tape..... hahaha
I am seriously glad that youtube suggested this video. This is a really awesome idea. Thank you for this video.
Dude, you got another new sub #1 because I NEED stairs like this for my timy house. #2 because I can totally relate to your attitude toward people"s comments, your wife "ruining" your video etc, etc, Great job! Keep up the good work!
Thank you! One for your version of a foldable staircase. Secondly for the laughs.... From your wife interrupting your vlog to the hilarious negative comments. You're awesome!
I absolutely love these stairs - such an innovative design and incredibly satisfying. Your videos are a joy to watch and your attitude and creativity are inspiring. please keep it up :)
I’m so glad you made this. What a great alternative to the typical tiny house stairs with storage that take up precious floor space. Thanks for the guide!
I was searching for videos on folding stairways to address getting to the loft in my newly built shop, and this was the first video that came up. Since then, I’ve watched a ton of other videos, but after about every third one, I kept coming back to this one! I’m taking that as a sign and adapting your design to my needs. Especially useful were the ideas to double the hinges, and laminating plywood to meet the need for custom lengths and thicknesses. Thanks, subbed…stay safe!
This was perfect. Ben, you need your own show on TV. I almost never comment on videos but you Sir did an amazing job on both the video and the build. I was trying to do the nightly dishes and mostly listen but I just couldn't look away. You are very captivating and personable. Thanks for being you. Now, back to the show!
We do owe you!! Some other people would have made a partitioned "course" and sold it for insane amounts with all kinds of restrictions. You are an expert of your craft and only that costs, so yes, thank you very much and congrats on designing and perfectly executing a solution that will work for so many.
I have never watched this young man before but I love his video & his work. People do need to mind there on business. When I was raised & I passed it on to my kids that " IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY TO SOMEONE , THAN DON'T SAY NOTHING AT ALL."
Absolutely love how you handle the online grouch brigade. Consider this a very amused subscription. =)
I saw the short of this and have been looking forward to this one!
Great job! Love the space-saving aspect. I see these helping in the tiny house movement. Amen, too fixing problems & not creating them. God Bless
Best advice I ever received is Other people's opinions are none of your business. Your critic's risk nothing by expressing their input. You are the innovator keep it up. Critic's don't blow up the internet you did !!! keep it up homie!!
Great folding stairs. Nice engineering. Going to use this for outside stairs so the bears don’t get up my deck and break into my cabin ! Thanks.
Great alternative application. Hadn’t thought of it as a security feature. Love the idea.
The fart sound for every negative comment had me rolling! 😂🤣
I've been searching for a way to save space and get rid of our loft ladder. 8 years I've searched and your system is perfect! Thank you!
I'm amazed at your generosity in sharing this idea.....you're a special guy.
That idea is so cool! The design looks really artistic as well as functional. I love the way it folds flat on the wall in such an elegant way.
I’ve been waiting for a tutorial video on folding stairs for a very long time!!! I have a storage area above my galley closet and need a 14’ ladder to access it but as you know it sucks trying to carry heavy sh!t up a ladder! I’m building these this weekend, thank you! See you on Patreon (F off haters and hand rail lovers)
I just subscribed.... First, because the steps are a great idea, second, because you simply tell it like it is!! Screw the people that don't like the details of what there or not there......You explained everything very well, they are stairs for your style, your shop....if ya don't like it, well.....then change the channel. Thanks for explaining everything so well, I finally understand how to design and figure out how many treads!!!
As an architrectural designer -- this is brilliant.. Our shop house a Tiny Home Builder and this could be implemented into tiny home designs and actually meet building codes - as long as we can put a railing on it .. well done Sir.
We need more people like you. Keep grinding and being creative! Thanks for inspiring me to be creative in my own life 🙌🏼
This is awesome. I just noticed how the folded staircase aligns so closely to the handrail, you could definitely use the handrail to clip it in place when it folds! The way it is now, it kind of sways back and forth a bit even folded. Functionally its irrelevant but asthetically I think having the stairs locked solid would be appealing, and this could be done easily with some small wedges to add friction against the rail.
I'll be making/ installing one of these at my tiny cabin this weekend. You were my inspiration. Thank you and wish me luck!
Just found your channel. We’re adding a loft to our garage so I immediately shared it with my hubby. Love the humor and your genius design. Thank you! Thank you!! 👏 👏 👏
Absolutely brilliant! Perfect for tiny house solutions!
Legend. Looks sick, well played. And if anyone bitches about the flexing, let's just remember basically all bridges are designed to flex and if they didn't they'd just crumble
Exactly. Compliant structures are far more durable. There are even videos (no effing way!) about it. And books.
Great project and great video. Nice to see a you-tuber being honest with their fans. Love the idea of this staircase, almost enough to build a loft so I could use one. Right now in my "shop" it would just be a stairway to nowhere. Thanks!
Brilliant. Useful. Strong. Creative. Well-engineered. Well executed.
Absolutely a beauty! (My lack of English skills is why it's not even more positive!)
ALWAYS a joy to watch and learn from this amazing guy, and what a difference from the container shop. WELL DONE, SIR - and you deserve every bit of good fortune! 👍
That looks pretty darn solid and a great iteration on your original design.Keep up the good work and forget the haters😎
Dude this is dope!!! Thank you for the in depths video I’m going to try this with my new tiny shop.
This video is awesome! I appreciated your humor and your instruction. I find it amazing how many people want to criticize others and the work they do instead of just minding their own business. People think that the right to free speech gives them the right to criticize or denigrate others work. In you case, they should actually appreciate that you shared your creation so that they could make their own. You found a solution that works for you and you shared it. Just appreciate the gift people!!
Omgosh I Love Your Personality 😂 This is BRILLIANT! No Negative comments here! Some people are so blessed to have more than enough space, they either don’t need it or don’t appreciate the worth of square footage in small spaces! Thank you so so much for this, I’m looking for a way to add stairs to an attic bedroom without disturbing the rest of the space. DONE! Love it! Thanks again ☮️💟
yes, you need handrails on EVERY surface in the shop so you’ll have something to grab onto when u randomly trip😅
Have handrails to hold when you trip over handrails
Fricking love it. Well done Woby! Greatly enjoyed how you "managed" all the "Negative Nancy" and "Karen" comments.
Fantastic. I loved the problem solving, and the sarcasm.
Never heard of fold up stairs and it is exactly what I need for my metal building with a loft, thanks for the second video!!
This is awesome! If you decided you wanted to make plans, you can build formulas into a pdf so that the buyer can put their measurements in one place, and the numbers adjust throughout the plans.
Duck em'
I absolutely loved these. Great inspiration for a build I'm doing this summer. Thank you!
OMG thank you. Great instructions and very entertaining. Woby Design is my new favorite channel.
I loved the previous version, and this one too. One small piece of advice. The poiny of failure in the first version was that the screws in the steps are in the same direction as the force aplied to the system. If the hinge was placed at the side of the steps, it would take a lot more force to break it.
I was even thinking maybe T nuts on the bottom of the stairs with countersunk bolts.
@@ConcededSpatula I agree with this as well, I probably wouldn't use screws on the outside hinges attaching to the treads. I would have probably used some sort of bolt and washer setup. Going into the edge isn't great because the grain is easier to split that way, might be stronger than the top, but might not be.
I think his direction of screws was smart. Screws are pretty easy to shear, so putting them sideways at the side of a step (especially in plywood) would make them more likely to fail.
Damn you act like hes gonna drive a fn car up that bitch. Give everyone a fb break. Sound like a bunch of armchair engineers.
@@billycolwell4263 get them billy get them! haha
Idk what's wrong with people. Who cares if it's "pointless?" It's cool as hell
So excited to make this! LOVED YOUR VIDEO, thanks.
Really love the straightforward humor while showing off how well made this is! Got yourself a new follower and I'll be building these for my attic.. keep the videos coming!
You have been One of my COOLEST YT for years now and this just give Validity to my statement🤩.
Plus your wife is the Amazing😂
19:15 Struggling to entertain? I found this incredibly interesting and your editing is always tight. Great message at the end too.
I just want to say: just make it fun!!!!
You are great spirit uplifter!
I am at home quarantining with COVID and you have perked me up!
Thank you, thank you for not being pompous!!!
And being very ingenious!
Badass man...You are always going to get those idiots who find the negative in positives. This is GOLD!
with fame comes haters, keep doing you man :)
hey I have a suggestion for your staircase! To avoid the little sagging while it's folded up, you could put magnets so it stays stuck to the wall. Doesnt need to that strong.
Shut it! He has more knowledge than you in his baby finger, did you listen to him?
I like this idea
Just what I was thinking! 👍
I have no idea why this was recommended for me, but I'm glad it was. I thoroughly enjoyed the design and explanation, seasoned with spite.
SMAK! WOOOO! I LOVE IT! Good man! I really appreciate your enthusiasm and care with this video. Just the instruction I needed. Thanks for sharing and having a proactive attitude. The world needs more of it.
You didn’t need to respond to all these haters!!! I’m glad there is a new video though at least!!
Love how practical and functional this is. Looks awesome!
Love the stairs. I have envisioned something like this for years. I love them!
This was awesome! Thank you. I need to do a small version for my gooseneck tiny home and this looks easier than I thought it would be.
I feel like using high strength magnets on both the wall and the floor of the loft would help to keep the staircase in place when both folded up and folded down
Great idea!
yes, either really, really strong magnets, .... or a latch.
I would not use high strength magnets for this. In addition to the gas struts I would buy a bunch of small general purpose neodymium magnets, suitable for kitchen cupboards etc. Embed a decently sized metal plate on one side then drill a hole and glue in a magnet on the opposing side. Not enough? Drill a second hole glue in another magnet. Repeat until you have barely enough to make the stairs stay in place. Preferably the holding strength of the magnets should not be noticeable when you fold and unfold the stairs.
It already stays in place
I think you need a ton more handrails so you can start building things out of them.
"Hi! My name is Ben from Wobbly Design, and I make things out of broken handrails."
Can’t even wait to make this. What an awesome video and so clear… and fun to watch at the same time. Great job bro. Thank you truly!
Love your design and your sense of humour. Great video