the PE trains were faster than today's freeways and went everywhere, I think they had about 1,000 route miles as compared to today's LA transit system with a little over 100 miles. and still no direct service to the airport.
As far as I can tell from my research, Pacific Electric did have over 1,000 miles of track. Also, my research suggests that ridership declined due to public outrage toward Southern Pacific, which owned Pacific Electric at the time of its decline but was also because of pro-automobile politics.
@henryostman5740: I agree! They were probably faster than even today's light rail trolleys which replaced them today on the Los Angeles - Long Beach CA Line now the "A" Line.
"The Last Interurban" that is still running after 115 yrs. is the South Shore Line { Chicago, South Shore & South Bend R.R. }. The South Shore Line is indeed the last of the Electric Interurbans still in commercial operation. The South Shore Line is not a museum and still runs several trains daily between Chicago & South Bend Indiana.
That museum's evolved a bit since I visited as a teen in the 1970s. Was a bit more "Junkie" back then. Guess that rapid "clicking" sound is the air pump? - 1:23 By the time I was born, the Green Trolleys were still running, 1960s. Was born in 1958, recall seeing them running down Central Ave. Eventually they went away and you'd still see some track still in the streets.
Nice video. I love the "Blimp". I am fortunate to own several Suydam models of the "Blimp", as well as several "Tens" and "Medium Fives"... all interurbans in HO scale brass by Suydam. Maybe I'll get out there in SoCal to visit the OERM to see the real-life versions someday.
@@SCRM_Rail Yes! I am the proud owner of several HO scale brass PE Blimps, imported by E. Suydam and Co. I also own lots of other Suydam traction, interurban models. I love Suydam traction! ☺️
While these are the cars I remember and rode as a kid, they were pigs with lip stick in that the top speed was only 35 mph even after upgrading at Torrance shops. Huntington had cars that did 80 mph in 1903. The 300 class car at the museum can make at least 70 mph but it has not been restored.
I am a volunteer at the Southern California Railway Museum and have gotten to run that car many times. I have been told about a fan trip that was done in the 1930's that went from Los Angeles to San Bernardino. As the story goes, once the motorman got out onto the 1200 VDC section heading for San Bernardino he opened the car they were on all the way and they were rocketing down the tracks as 90mph. Now that is definitely an impressive speed for that time and had to have been a lot of fun to be there. I can only imagine what it must have been like.
Only the 1000 and 1200 class cars were 1200 volt equipped. Both classes were capable of high speed, the San Bernardino 1200's being geared faster than the Long Beach 1200's. L. B. line was only 600 volt. I was a member at Perris for 46 years starting in 1963.
@@TrainTrackTrav The Blimp is one of my favorite Pacific Electric rail vehicle. The heavy rail subway cars named the Breda A650 that run on the Red and Purple lines in Los Angeles California also have a similar horn to these old Pacific Electric trains.
I was the maddest little 9 year old boy in Los Angeles county when the first MTA took my red cars away in spring of 1958. I lived in Bellflower and learned to walk so I could see the red cars from my grand parents screen door. I mis those PE trombones. The real jewel is PE 314 a former NWP car vintage 1930 which is much faster than the OAB blimps.
LA trains and buses fan and gaming a couple of members of the Los Angeles Live Steamers had a P E trombone (whistle) and were blowing it on compressed air at the live steamers track. God, I mis that sound!
Pretty sure those old PE/SP rails through Bellflower (from Santa Monica to Watts) are long gone now. Don't remember when UP took over SP but the said line was dying in the early 70's. Used for freight back then. Same story with the line through Downey.
My Dad my have ridden this Red Car when he was a teenager. He grew up in Huntington Park California. He use to tell us how he would take the Red Car to Long Beach California.
I went to Orange Empire as a kid I'm guessing 1990 I believe I rode either SF Muni or Los Angeles Railway Company 118 anyway it was a 1920 trolley might of rode Pacific Electric don't recall I know we rode the freight train we saw parachuting. Ahh The memories. Beautiful car wish I could ride it again.
My first visit to the museum was in the Summer of 1975. There was a lot of open space and it was rural. The museum has grown a lot as well as the surrounding area. The houses and school were built in the 1980's and 90's.
please note : a side story. you mentioned the whine of the electric motors on the car. one day sound crews from desilou / paramount / cbs came to this museum. the crews chartered a car and ran it back and fourth for a while the crews were recording. this is how the warp engine noise was created for the star trek legacy show. always wanted to go theere but never made it . thanks for letting us look over your shoulder as to speak
Thanks 4 watching? Thank you for showing. Here in Wichita, there is virtually nothing left of the A.V.I. (Arkansas Valley Iterurban) All I can do is tell people, ans show a few faint sings to those interested enough to go see. Mostly streets that wouldn't be where they are had it not been for the A.V.I. Also the initials cast in concrete on the front of a hotel freight house. Now occupied by The A.V.I. Chophouse. I see this and I say wow. Add this to my bucketlist.
Very nice,. FYI: It does not have a throttle. It has a controller. A windsock over the mike will reduce the wind noise. Too many images of ugly backyards. Instead show the interior, and the motorman and conductor, and looking down the track.
Crazy to see PE red car is still active after a century i live close to the former Newport Beach line in Long Beach now there’s rumors they’re planning to revive the old route into metro transit line connecting to Willow St to Huntington Beach
Would it be possible to run excursions with PE equipment on the LA Metro system, without doing too much violence to the historic electric gear? It would be a hit!
Unlike Pacific Electric, which was connected to the Southern Pacific via various branchlines, there isn't any remaining connection left between the LA Metro system and adjacent freight railroads, making LA Metro an independent system isolated from Class 1 right of way，this means it would probably require a crane or some other equipment to lift the cars up and then put them onto LA Metro tracks causing potential troubles.
@@eisenbahncanada5631 That's interesting. So even the Expo Line is severed from the national rail net? In San Diego county, a number of LRT tracks are still served by freight trains.
@@HSMiyamoto I've heard about San Diego's MTS Blue line hosting freight traffic for the SD&IV railroad at night, I guess it's a common practice for LA Metro to seperate all of its tracks from the National rail net though I'm not sure about the logical reason behind all this, if I'm not mistaken the Metro Gold line utilized part of the former ATSF right of way yet there are no traces of connection left between Metro rail and the railroad network.
A connection tho the regular network is just not needed for regular service but would require maintanance effort and safety systems to prevent trains killing people by entering the wrong system by accident. Sections where Metro uses freight ROWs have three, like the gold line, or four tracks, blue line, to let freight and metro run parallel, so lifting would be no problem. But they would probably use one of the flatbed offloading points in the yards, like they do with new vehicles, because I don't think that a PE vehicle can enter freight tracks (no overhead wires and wrong couplers to be pulled and not meeting current rail regularities). They would need to check if a PE vehicle can fit thru everywhere and is able to use the plattforms or rail crossings to get people in. The overhead wires could be a problem because the PE vehicles use a outdated system with a stick and a wheel that could derail at the modern connections designed for panthographs. And, bigger problem, the PE uses 600v and the metro trains 750V. Last but not least, LA Metro hates service interruptions and a slow vehicle in the middle of a 10 min headaway without sidings to overtake is certainly one. So they could only run at night, what's useless, or on closed tracks, what is rare, because closed tracks are usually under construction and not available for rides. So in conclusion it would certainly nice to see and a big attraction but sadly we won't see that happening. I just hope that they reconstruct some for the planned downtown streetcar as tourist attraction.
@@Bauer-ke6lp You raise some valid points but they arent unsolvable. The biggest issue is probably the fact that trolley wheels wear excessively on overhead built for pantographs, but that doesn't mean the pole would be likely to dewire.
its very noisy. i think it was unnecesary to blast that horn all the time. maybe use something less obnoxious that still conveys presence? the hollywood car look like it would be easier to board with its low profile an floor?
This is an AMAZING find!, We are definitely going to go ride this and support the museum...WOW!
I wish we still had these trains today !!
We do still have one - "The Last Interurban". Look up the South Shore Line.
Me Too
the PE trains were faster than today's freeways and went everywhere, I think they had about 1,000 route miles as compared to today's LA transit system with a little over 100 miles. and still no direct service to the airport.
PE should have kept up the system.
As far as I can tell from my research, Pacific Electric did have over 1,000 miles of track. Also, my research suggests that ridership declined due to public outrage toward Southern Pacific, which owned Pacific Electric at the time of its decline but was also because of pro-automobile politics.
@henryostman5740: I agree! They were probably faster than even today's light rail trolleys which replaced them today on the Los Angeles - Long Beach CA Line now the "A" Line.
@@robserrano8971A transit funding agency wasn't available then unfortunately.
I heard they could be floored to 80 even 85mph. Thats carzy for a train like this.
I absolutely love the OERM.
I just love this place!
"The Last Interurban" that is still running after 115 yrs. is the South Shore Line { Chicago, South Shore & South Bend R.R. }. The South Shore Line is indeed the last of the Electric Interurbans still in commercial operation. The South Shore Line is not a museum and still runs several trains daily between Chicago & South Bend Indiana.
Great Job!!! I really liked this.
That museum's evolved a bit since I visited as a teen in the 1970s. Was a bit more "Junkie" back then. Guess that rapid "clicking" sound is the air pump? - 1:23 By the time I was born, the Green Trolleys were still running, 1960s. Was born in 1958, recall seeing them running down Central Ave. Eventually they went away and you'd still see some track still in the streets.
That nice sounding growl is due to the straight cut gears in the traction motor - GREAT video!
Nice video. I love the "Blimp". I am fortunate to own several Suydam models of the "Blimp", as well as several "Tens" and "Medium Fives"... all interurbans in HO scale brass by Suydam. Maybe I'll get out there in SoCal to visit the OERM to see the real-life versions someday.
wait you own some blimp models of pe-
@@SCRM_Rail Yes! I am the proud owner of several HO scale brass PE Blimps, imported by E. Suydam and Co. I also own lots of other Suydam traction, interurban models. I love Suydam traction! ☺️
While these are the cars I remember and rode as a kid, they were pigs with lip stick in that the top speed was only 35 mph even after upgrading at Torrance shops. Huntington had cars that did 80 mph in 1903. The 300 class car at the museum can make at least 70 mph but it has not been restored.
I am a volunteer at the Southern California Railway Museum and have gotten to run that car many times. I have been told about a fan trip that was done in the 1930's that went from Los Angeles to San Bernardino. As the story goes, once the motorman got out onto the 1200 VDC section heading for San Bernardino he opened the car they were on all the way and they were rocketing down the tracks as 90mph. Now that is definitely an impressive speed for that time and had to have been a lot of fun to be there. I can only imagine what it must have been like.
Only the 1000 and 1200 class cars were 1200 volt equipped. Both classes were capable of high speed, the San Bernardino 1200's being geared faster than the Long Beach 1200's. L. B. line was only 600 volt. I was a member at Perris for 46 years starting in 1963.
It’s still running like a champ!! 💪
Great vid Teav loves thos cars, brings back memories, keep up the great work
Thank you, Gary! Had lots of fun that day. More footage from the OERM coming soon. Stay tuned. :)
@@TrainTrackTrav The Blimp is one of my favorite Pacific Electric rail vehicle.
The heavy rail subway cars named the Breda A650 that run on the Red and Purple lines in Los Angeles California also have a similar horn to these old Pacific Electric trains.
I was the maddest little 9 year old boy in Los Angeles county when the first MTA took my red cars away in spring of 1958. I lived in Bellflower and learned to walk so I could see the red cars from my grand parents screen door. I mis those PE trombones. The real jewel is PE 314 a former NWP car vintage 1930 which is much faster than the OAB blimps.
I think they still use those air horns on the metro red and purple lines
LA trains and buses fan and gaming a couple of members of the Los Angeles Live Steamers had a P E trombone (whistle) and were blowing it on compressed air at the live steamers track. God, I mis that sound!
@@LAbusfan4742 The Breda A650 uses a similar horn just like the Pacific Electric Railway cars.
Pretty sure those old PE/SP rails through Bellflower (from Santa Monica to Watts) are long gone now. Don't remember when UP took over SP but the said line was dying in the early 70's. Used for freight back then. Same story with the line through Downey.
My Dad my have ridden this Red Car when he was a teenager. He grew up in Huntington Park California. He use to tell us how he would take the Red Car to Long Beach California.
I went to Orange Empire as a kid I'm guessing 1990 I believe I rode either SF Muni or Los Angeles Railway Company 118 anyway it was a 1920 trolley might of rode Pacific Electric don't recall I know we rode the freight train we saw parachuting. Ahh The memories. Beautiful car wish I could ride it again.
My first visit to the museum was in the Summer of 1975. There was a lot of open space and it was rural. The museum has grown a lot as well as the surrounding area. The houses and school were built in the 1980's and 90's.
Great Recording!Like
Fun fact! At the 2:00 mark, those are former Disneyland ticket booths that were removed prior the Disney California Adventure opening in 2001.
I saw a couple of the old "wig-wag" crossing signals.
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I visited the museum and rode on the Red Car back in 2013. it seems as if the ride is much longer now. Am I right? Great video, thanks.
I rate it a 10!
please note : a side story. you mentioned the whine of the electric motors on the car. one day sound crews from desilou / paramount / cbs came to this museum. the crews chartered a car and ran it back and fourth for a while the crews were recording. this is how the warp engine noise was created for the star trek legacy show. always wanted to go theere but never made it . thanks for letting us look over your shoulder as to speak
Question. Why is the car number inside the car different from the number on the outside, 1528 vs 418?
Number given it by L.A. Metropolitan Tránsit Authority from March 3, 1958 until April 8, 1961.
Thanks 4 watching? Thank you for showing. Here in Wichita, there is virtually nothing left of the A.V.I. (Arkansas Valley Iterurban) All I can do is tell people, ans show a few faint sings to those interested enough to go see. Mostly streets that wouldn't be where they are had it not been for the A.V.I. Also the initials cast in concrete on the front of a hotel freight house. Now occupied by The A.V.I. Chophouse. I see this and I say wow. Add this to my bucketlist.
Perfect for when roads were dirt and the second fastest way to travel was by horse.
Otherwise known as a "blimp" in my grandma's day in Hollywood.
Very nice,. FYI: It does not have a throttle. It has a controller. A windsock over the mike will reduce the wind noise. Too many images of ugly backyards. Instead show the interior, and the motorman and conductor, and looking down the track.
Am I correct in seeing car 501 in the beginning of the video? Did 500 and 501 end up here?
I notice number 1528 on the interior wall - Original number on the IER or NWP? Would they be faster running on 1200 Volts as some did in the bay area?
That was the number given it by the L.A. Metropolitan Tránsit Authority. LAMTA operated the last red Cars from March 3, 1958 until April 8, 1961.
Paul I think the blimps were 600 volt trains only
Wow. I wonder if it's still there
Crazy to see PE red car is still active after a century i live close to the former Newport Beach line in Long Beach now there’s rumors they’re planning to revive the old route into metro transit line connecting to Willow St to Huntington Beach
Maybe sometime have less footage of backyards and more of her running from a pace car's perspective...just a thought..peace.
I totally agree with you. 👍😉
This car sounds exactly like the wooden cars of the Chicago Aurora and Elgin Interurbans.
Its 2021 its the pacific Red carts still active??
In 2023 YES
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By the way POMONA fairplex combo the Blimp 1299 is now here at Orange Empire Rwy Museum
Would it be possible to run excursions with PE equipment on the LA Metro system, without doing too much violence to the historic electric gear? It would be a hit!
Unlike Pacific Electric, which was connected to the Southern Pacific via various branchlines, there isn't any remaining connection left between the LA Metro system and adjacent freight railroads, making LA Metro an independent system isolated from Class 1 right of way，this means it would probably require a crane or some other equipment to lift the cars up and then put them onto LA Metro tracks causing potential troubles.
@@eisenbahncanada5631 That's interesting. So even the Expo Line is severed from the national rail net? In San Diego county, a number of LRT tracks are still served by freight trains.
@@HSMiyamoto I've heard about San Diego's MTS Blue line hosting freight traffic for the SD&IV railroad at night, I guess it's a common practice for LA Metro to seperate all of its tracks from the National rail net though I'm not sure about the logical reason behind all this, if I'm not mistaken the Metro Gold line utilized part of the former ATSF right of way yet there are no traces of connection left between Metro rail and the railroad network.
A connection tho the regular network is just not needed for regular service but would require maintanance effort and safety systems to prevent trains killing people by entering the wrong system by accident. Sections where Metro uses freight ROWs have three, like the gold line, or four tracks, blue line, to let freight and metro run parallel, so lifting would be no problem. But they would probably use one of the flatbed offloading points in the yards, like they do with new vehicles, because I don't think that a PE vehicle can enter freight tracks (no overhead wires and wrong couplers to be pulled and not meeting current rail regularities).
They would need to check if a PE vehicle can fit thru everywhere and is able to use the plattforms or rail crossings to get people in. The overhead wires could be a problem because the PE vehicles use a outdated system with a stick and a wheel that could derail at the modern connections designed for panthographs. And, bigger problem, the PE uses 600v and the metro trains 750V.
Last but not least, LA Metro hates service interruptions and a slow vehicle in the middle of a 10 min headaway without sidings to overtake is certainly one. So they could only run at night, what's useless, or on closed tracks, what is rare, because closed tracks are usually under construction and not available for rides.
So in conclusion it would certainly nice to see and a big attraction but sadly we won't see that happening. I just hope that they reconstruct some for the planned downtown streetcar as tourist attraction.
@@Bauer-ke6lp You raise some valid points but they arent unsolvable. The biggest issue is probably the fact that trolley wheels wear excessively on overhead built for pantographs, but that doesn't mean the pole would be likely to dewire.
Why is camera looking out window. Want to see inside the car
Id give everything to see this thing go full throttle to 70mph...
People are such idiots! Hur dur !!! Only 35miles per hr! Hur dur!!!! Sure looks to be moving faster than GRIDLOCK on the freeway
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Too bad legalized profit destroyed this rail enterprise.
its very noisy. i think it was unnecesary to blast that horn all the time. maybe use something less obnoxious that still conveys presence? the hollywood car look like it would be easier to board with its low profile an floor?