We Got a Fancy New Machine! (did we even need this?)
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- In S9E72 of Wyrm Lyfe (sorry the number is wrong in the episode), we take a field trip to Mitutoyo where they show us some really cool precision measuring equipment and then we take it to the shop to show Doug and Jason how it works.
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They get a new tool and the first thought that goes through my head is, "But do they have a way to power it?" 😄
Don't worry, the last Dale episode had a connection that I put Doug, and thus Dale, in touch with. Hopefully, that connection's borne fruit and they'll have a line on more electrical infrastructure.
They just need to unplug something else they have plenty of rails done ^_-
Yeah, not gonna lie. I saw this and went "oh cool, more money and time wasted on shit they won't be able to use"
The value of a machine like this is only as great as you're ability to use the data from it consistently.
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Wyrmwood: Buys a $17,000 Precision Instrument
Doug: Immediately breaks it
He got a demo first...
Can't pay it back with the bitcoin crash either
Hey look, it's what I work with daily. I run an inspection department. We have a couple camera-based vision systems and a couple OCs for the production crew to use as they pop parts off their machines. They're all ancient and awful to use though. The OCs are Deltronic instead of Mitutoyo and are too old to have any new-fangled touch controls. My actual department has some automated camera based inspection systems. They're pretty quick to use but are pretty old as well so we have to deal with a lot of false negatives in our inspection process.
One thing y'all will probably benefit from is you can put 2d models onto transparencies and slap those up on the OC screen to verify your parts via overlay for dimensions that you want to ensure are in spec but you don't actually need to know the hard numbers for. Doesn't really work for internal features of parts, but would at least get your outer features well taken care of.
There's some awesome camera based vision systems made by Micro-Vu that I recently got my boss interested in. They're capable of camera inspection as well as addon touch-probe measurements to get at those certain features that you wouldn't be able to pick up on the camera.
Now, my company is looking at some 3D scanning tech that's extremely promising to really overhaul our inspection capabilities.
I used to work in a factory that would use a lot of the machines shown in this video. One large machine would run a script to verify tooling hole distance fell within parameters and would then measure different angles and distances on the parts in the sheet. It's really neat technology and I feel it's useful. 👍 Then you'll know how far out of spec your machines and tools are.
Same here. We usually had to do quality checks every 30-60min and write down the key points you’re wanting to track and you usually can see when something is getting dull in a machine etc. Definitely a worth while investment.
That's our CEO. Breaking precision equipment by hitting it while explaining how important it is to have it!
Props to the camera team, because their B roll is always so pleasing, even if I don't have any idea of what I am looking at!
As others have said, without a solid control plan across product lines, well defined inspection criteria, first article inspections, and control charting it’s pretty much a fancy lamp.
Watching to see if Dale is still here
I love Dale
Everyone should love Dale. He's great!
Wyrmwood buying a $17,000 ruler? This is why I love you guys
I think Doug's clearly too used to having machines that are built to be workhorses that can take a sledgehammer, and the dent buffs right now.
Precision measuring instruments, like these, are like Faberge eggs in comparison; it's essentially laboratory equipment, and that stuff can't really take any roughhousing. He's lucky that instrument is like 17 grand, there's some instruments I've worked with that would cost more than a middle-class house to replace it.
Mitutoyo best calipers, mics, etc in the business. Also surprised they didn't go with a zeiss probe setup. while the investment upfront is more and the training to use one properly is difficult; the accuracy in production is second to none. Loved having it around even our small brown and sharp was a handy tool to have.
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised they went optical comparator versus some flavor of Coordinate Measuring Machine. The comparator probably wins out on resolution but the CMM can also do 3 dimensional measurements.
As an engineer who regularly uses several of Mitutoyo's instruments, it's nice to see you guys taking measurement practices seriously!
Also, the optical comparator has to be the coolest instrument for measurement. It's definitely one of my favorites to use.
I've only used optical inspection systems like the one they showed with the edge finding and automatic measurements. For $17k, they could have got one, and for $10k, they could have got one used. What's the advantage of an optical comparator? I kind of assumed they were on the way out.
@@BrandonGraham the simplicity of a shadowgraph is what keeps them relevant. They are low tech and approachable in comparison to smart scopes and CMMs
The second Doug touched it, I knew it was done.
I worked at a defense contractor as I was just coming out of college and they had an optical comparator in the office that must have been older then moses. It was the size of a large refrigerator, ours didn't have a touch screen and I'm sure it cost much more then $17,000. Its nice to see that they have come along way.
Definitely not overkill. This will be able to QA/QC (quality assurance/ quality control, for those not in the design industry) all components of every offering that Wyrmwood has. Most things like this tool have the ability to store data, to keep things within spec. When you change over a tool from one program to another, check its calibration, run a test and take that test piece to this tool to insure quality against the standard. Things like this allow companies to really up-level their quality. Hand crafted will always have variance in the end product, but with the modular stuff being done with machines, this will allow you to dial in those settings perfectly.
Very useful. Would love to see a video that highlights all the major equipment purchases made since MGT highlighting 1.) are they operational & 2.) how much they save the company from waste.
they essentially did that last episode, thats why we didn't see dale this episode. lol
Awwww, and Johnny had us all convined he *wasn't* a nerd...
Everyone's nerd about something. The machine seems like a good investment.
You might want to consider adding some camera based vision systems for inspection to the ends of some of your processes. You can get a whole lot of information on the variance in your process that way. As well as alert quickly on anomalies so you don't run an entire expensive batch wrong. You would also be able to look in your history and see how specific material were performing. It doesn't break the bank to get started. Cognix Vision Pro, GigE Basler camera, appropriate lens and good lighting would be a good start and get you pretty far along.
Just as I was asking myself how long they had until it breaks, Doug came running in with the steel chair😂
No sign of Dale. Confirm or deny Dale employment? If denied, were gonna need a "Best of Dale" episode on Friday.
He is probably on vacation
@@boringstuff1542 Dale is a dedicated employee. He wouldn't take vacation! =P
@@SuperEgo1989 it's a joke...everyone should take vacations if they are available.
Super valuable tool, especially once you get to giving your quality engineers time to check stuff with it. You'll catch things quicker and with more information.
Dang, really made that measuring company look like an actually cool place with that smooth music transition
I think a small cmm with a scan probe would be a great addition to your new precision measuring department. They are great for production runs. And once you have a program made for a part you won't need to set up the machine each time you need to check something.
Not overkill. Your explanation at the end makes all the sense in the world.
The guys have caught up to 1980s Quality Engineering, super overkill for anything except setups and spot checks. Creating jigs/transparent overlays of the hex tiles would be the best move for 100% verification.
Also you're going to check the part in a dry box and put it back into a wet environment...can't wait to see that right about Christmas time when it's 3% humidity in Mass.
A few minutes in a dry environment won't do anything. If they leave the parts in for a day or two, sure.
I freaking love Johnny..AND his nerdiness!
(What I think* disclaimer) The money you'll save in the long run will definitely help, but the consistency and quality of your products (especially if you consistently use this machine to not only home in on products, but also check product from time to time to ensure it's meeting this new 'overkill' standard) will further add weight to what the Wyrmwood brand represents.
It's the difference between a 4.7/5.0 star rating on amazon and a 4.5/5.0 rating. The ladder sells a few thousand, the former sells tens of thousands :)
Good to know it's that fragile. I work with one of those every day they are great. Keep it nice and use it well boys.
Overkill is underrated.
Having measuring equipment like that will allow you to really dial in the quality side of the equation, assuming you have good technicians to run it and good systems to use the data that you take.
One of the coolest measuring tools I have ever use. The one at the spring shop I worked at was from a Navy ship
My shop has four of them, but they don't have the fancy touch screen, we have the 7 segment displays still. In one week, y'all will be wondering how you ever lived without one. That will be the best money you ever spend. It is wicked fast, and you will never want to measure hole locations with calipers again.
I've never used a comparator and I still don't want to measure hole with calipers ever again!
Now that you've started some real QA it's time for ISO 9000 & 14000 certification followed by Six Sigma and Lean!
Let the slow decent into corporate QA madness begin!!!
*maniacal laughter*
Can't wait for the big reveal of the fact that Doug has broken every machine in the shop with his powerful slaps.
Wow, this is going to put those Crokinole boards to the next level. Good pick up boys.
Ayyyyy, I've used those at work before, neat little bits of kit! (Machinist, 10 years)
If you really want Doug to lose his mind, show him a tabletop CMM with a ruby taster on it. Science!!
That Mitutoyo plant ..*Homer drool*.. Makes me wish they didn't want so much for their stuff, but you get what you pay for..🤷
Oh man, I'm drooling over that machine. I work in gear metrology and I do incoming part inspections sometimes and I have to work with calipers, micrometers, and a height gage which really doesn't work for every situation. 😅
Totally not overkill or that expensive. I used to operate a $1 million scanner on a daily basis and literally drove that thing to the ground. The company did get a discount on the next 10+ they bought which I believe were around $250k each. The original was still my favorite.
3:53 this reminds me of moving objects in photoshop and it auto aligns things
I have been sick with covid and have feel that my duties of reminding everyone that the Bennett Dice tower would be perfect, especially with this super accurate measuring device you now have 👀
Doug is the CEO? Chief Entropy Officer? He does accelerate the decline of machines! LOL!
Doug: We just bought this expensive piece of super high precision machinery that will save us lots of waste. Watch me bang on it.
When it comes to machining/cncing accuracy is king.
...could this make MGT topper bevels more consistent? (*ducks*)
Precision is key in mass production so i think this is an awesome purchase
Given how many precision issues were in my tile set order, getting this precision measuring equipment sounds like a positive.
Well, that looks like $17k to not do trigonometry. The absolute state of American manufacturing.
MADNESS - all this ultra micro accurate measurement and then result given in inches????? 8th of an inch.. such a cumbersome system inches and feet
Thats 100% the thing Spok keep looking at all the time
What a coincidence! I literally have an optical comparator sitting right behind me right now (different brand though).
ooohhh this episode was funny, I think my favorite part is when they were trying to blow Doug's mind.
How long will it take for them to realize not to let Doug touch machines more sensitive than a drill or saw...
Me laughing thinking you show see the QA office at the factory I work at.
Would a romer arm cmm have been more useful for inspection do to the abbility to mesure in 6 degrees instead of 2 degrees , there is a few on ebay for about 15k
Welp, it was nice knowing you Mitutoyo PH-3500 Optical Comparator, Rest In Purpleheart, call in Crazy Ed, tell him he's blowing sh*t up.
Great, when's the rest of the QA lab coming?
Doug, the destroyer of worlds. 😉
If this fixes the placement issues with the hex tile's magnets placement as was in the first Kickstarter, it's totally worth the money.
Doug shocked the bulb, didn't he? Ahh well, it's only a 150w halogen bulb. Don't let him touch it with bare hands when he replaces it, ok?
Adam savage loves this company
As I have no clue, I'd say: yes, overkill :D
Y'all are buying tools i calibrate!!!! Hey seriously, make sure you schedule regular (yearly) contracted calibrations for that machine. They can go out of tolerance, so they need to be checked
What do you do with larger pieces?
Heck no. I’m surprised you didn’t have a probe system on your cncs to do roughly the same thing just in line with production.
Oh my gosh its the lasso and magnetic lasso tool
I'm assuming they use go/no go gages for quick measurements to determine if a part needs to be sent to the comparator.
what's the word for it, compounding errors? That'll fuck up assembly line stuff real quick. Getting a precision machine like that should help track and keep things from getting out of whack.
I love it. It has a microfiche vibe too it.
No overkill is what doug did after the credits ;)
Fair investment...a god damn basic commercial deep fryer with a built-in oil catch vent is $15k
If the machine helps keep their quality high, I say go for it.
I would say not overkill, since you guys use lots of cnc and lasers that need exact measurements for programming the cuts
Machine holds value as long as Doug doesn't touch it.
@Wyrmwood Hey this guy is trying to do that scam thing again. probably the same guy i reported 6 months ago.
this looks like 1970s technology.
For how long will Doug have a hesitation moment when he does his slap down motion, if at all?
Did Dale approve of this?
It's science AND MATH! Lots of math....
So new machine, powered, working.... next episode should be the point when it becomes a expensive paper weight.
this is literally my job but aerospace, we use faro equipment.
To me from a science fan this is really cool way above my knowledge but really cool as for the question is this machine overkill I would say no because as Jason put it if you mess up one set of high-end tiles that's $3,000 out the window not only in product but in time and that's terrible when you have hundreds if not thousands of backers waiting for the tiles to add to their tables so to me, It's worth it to acquire this tool
After 10 minutes i still haven't a clue what the practical application is. Show something being fixed as a result of the info from that machine in a future video please. If it ever works again of course.
It's for quality and design control. It provides quick measurements of parts that would be tough to measure by hand or other methods, and outputs very clear instructions for the machine operators to make adjustments to their equipment to ensure they're producing good parts.
It wasn't shown here, but a comparator also allows them to directly overlay drawings on the parts that they're making to show visually how far out of spec things are.
So when producing parts or prototyping new products, they can ensure they're as close to spec as possible.
I think the idea is that they can get an adjustment number to plug into the CNC equipment and get it right the first time?
Think of it this way..
Crazy Ed makes something by hand..
What shape/angle did he use (his eyes)..
Not a useful way to do repeatability.
Now they can scope that stuff out and get an actual repeatable blueprint of Crazy Ed Invention #3412
or, one of the big expensive "drill 400 holes at once" machines makes something but seems a little off.. which one/why/by how much
This machine could tell you.
Assume you have parts that need to fit together (MGT, hex tiles, etc)
The angles must match correctly. If you are building it all at once, and non-modular, you can test fit and adjust. With mass production you can't do this. But you can measure and ensure they will be correct.
In the case of the incorrect drill hole, if a machine does it, they can measure it, tell the drilling machine 1/8" left, then they are good. They don't have to try and guess "meh, close enough".
This also means that points far apart such as holes around a larger circle can also be ensured they are in exactly the right place.
Basically it will allow better quality control. So say every 100 tiles they do a check and make sure everything is exact. If the holes have moved a 100th of an inch, then they can adjust their machine. Otherwise you run 1000+ units and you get the problem they had with the holes (or something else) being way off spec.
Sounds worth
I feel like the same thing could have been achieved with a really well planed surface and Camera that is permanently mounted straight at the surface. By retracing the images in illustrator, you could easily find distances and angles.
Might be a bit more work than with a machine like this... but not a lot really.
Or am I not seeing something here?
What you describe is basically an optical comparator but there may be a lot of little tricks in the optics and image processing. Now you have to characterize and calibrate it. How repeatable is it? How much human error does the tracing introduce? A camera will introduce distortion, so how much and what kind?
For the home gamer, sure, build your own, but for a production facility, do you want to spend time and money learning the skills you need to build the tools you need to do your job, or do you get commercial tool with a warranty and service contract and NIST traceability so you can get back to work?
Love u Wyrmwood. However HECK OFF Mitutoyo I’ve been trying to get a quote for some new gauge blocks sets for month now. I and another guy a work have sent five or six requests each for a quote and * crickets*. So we’ve gone elsewhere to find people who respond.
New machine, let's break it
As someone that works in CNC parts manufacturing making parts down to 0.001 (imperial) and 0.01 (metric) accuracy, I feel you guys would of been much better off getting the quick scope over the multifunction shadow graft.
I agree but I just also think scopes are generally better then comparators for most use cases
I calibrate a lot of these at my job
I'd love to work for you guys. Open something in South Carolina and let me work for you 🙂
Metrology!
You guys are gonna end up with Metrology Department.
Who says you won't use Trig/Calc after highschool.high-school or MOAs
Overkill? No, Future proof.
At least now you can accurately measure the size of a dog hair on a new dog bed!!
Optical Johnny
Back in high school I used to hit kids with the Mitutoyo Quick Scope in Modern Warfare.
You should buy a second one for when doug breaks it
good to know I am above the average mtg purchase.
Why not just get a high res camera, tripod and a lightbox. Import the picture into any CAD software and you're done for about €500 without having to build an office.
Doug is almost right: 2*Pi radians is 360 degrees.
Tech Ingredients guys doppelganger?