West Australian GUN BUYBACK 2024
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- Quick update for the many questions regarding recent communications from WA police to licensed firearms owners.
Link to full paper tabled by WA police minister.
www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parl...
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Here is a quote from the US. "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
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@@markandsamafterwork just say NO 🚫 to voluntary
government theft . LoL 😂
yet in the usa you have not stopped your own gov doing Civil asset forfeiture allows the authorities to confiscate items like cash and cars even without charging the people forced to give up
@@littlehills739 yes but we get it sorted out in the courts after. in the end for the most part, the courts rights the gov wrongs.
@@MacSOGAdventureInternational only if you are actually a drug dealer and can afford the lawyers needed to get your money back.
Registration leads to confiscation. Always.
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We had a a supposed buyback,here in NZ after the shootings in Chch.
It is not a buyback as the police named it.
The govt/police haven't owned the gun previously so it isn't a "buyback"
It is a gungrab,from law abiding and decent members of public.
Interesting to note how many people die from smoking and car related activity,but the govt do nothing because of GST grab on excise duty.
Our last piss poor govt brought out a "voluntary" gun registry.
The super computer the police use is like an information highway for clever criminals and my details won't be on any criminals shopping list.
The govt work for us not the other way around.
Do not let the gutless socialists take your rights away.
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Do you guy's in Aus. Need a licence to own guns? In South Africa we need a licence and a competancy tests needs to be completed before getting the licence
@@Schaapkraal yeah licence is mandatory and every single firearm has to be registered
@@Schaapkraal It's such a difficult test that 50% of the police force personnel have been unable to pass the test.
@@andrewallen9993 yup, and its a freakin joke that they try to come up with more ways to restrict people from owning guns and suposedly you can give in your guns in an amnesty, but these guns then end up in the hands of criminals🙄
The irony of bureaucrats writing unjust recommendations before moving onto new ventures is the world we live in now, thanks for the update👌🏼
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Stay strong and lobby your Member of Parliament and inform them that you do not want or agree to further restrictions. Tell them that their decisions will impact your vote.
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I have done. They don’t care they’re all part of the NWO and unfit for our purposes.
Taking our firearms by stealth.
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Mate there's nothing stealthy about the way the wa govt is taking ya firearms. Here in qld we'll start seeing the same bullshite if the labor dogs get back in. 🍺🇦🇺
Got lost in a lake. Lol
The best thing you can do is write to your local member, our Labour member has a majority of 158 votes, I wrote to her and reminded her of this and the fact that she has lost 4 votes in our house hold. The thing a pollie fears most is a small majority, look your member up and remind them of this.
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The money offered seems to correspond with how many firearms of a certain type are in the community, rather than the actual value of each firearm. Good luck guys in WA and all of Australia, we’ve got to stick together!
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They table ridiculous rules,then negotiate them, wolla ,they have just past more laws encroaching on your rights, this is fucked
As said, no laws have been passed!!
@@markandsamafterwork as said,, they table ridiculous, then ,,,,,
Laws are only as good as enforcement. If enforcement decides to enforce ideas that aren't written in laws, what are the citizens going to do about it?
If anything I think every country could benefit from the likes of people like you guys...... best of luck to your and your country..
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Thanks for the heads up much appreciated. Great channel.
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From the USA
I thank we are going down the same road here
Good luck in your fight
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not really, if you keep up with current supreme court rulings we are actually winning against anti gun activists and agendas.
Whatever happens I hope people conduct themselves with dignity and look after each other, demonstrating that gun owners are not what theyre made out to be by mainstream media, bureaucrats and certain politicians
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Your right but unfortunately the propaganda machine just doesn’t stop😢
What your trying to say.....so let me say it for you....is the woke left....🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
How can a government buy something back they never owned in the first place???
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🇦🇺😎👍Thanks for the information Mark🏁🇦🇺
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We as people need to fight against this type of situation where people are giving up Liberty for a little bit of false comfort. Cheer's to You and Sam for getting the word out on this not being a law. And what people need to do if it is not working out correctly with the police. God bless! Cheer's! 🍻
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No, don't do it! I hate to see some really nice firearms given up for pennies or $100 gift cards. So sad. Keep fighting Mark!
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I know you love your home country. However you would fit right in here in the USA. We need more 2A loving Americans.
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Do i still need the jab to enter the US, or do i have to walk in from the southern border? 😂
@cameronhickey7771 currently walkins still welcome it looks like 🤣
A God given natural rite....shall not be infringed...don't have to ask permissions of the Crown for a natural rite of self defense. Guns are the great equalizer of all men. A country can not defend itself without the "people" being armed, as a self regulated militia, with their personally owned firearms equal to the government.
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Is that here or just the US?
@@robertthomas3777 it is an inherent right for all mankind. The US just protects that right by way of 2a. The rest of the world stomps on that right.
We in Australia do not have the right of self-defence. Defending your own life will most likely see you in jail. We have laws that actually forbid you to defend yourself.
@@Michael-hm8cs mate, it was proposed back at the time of our Federation to adopt the likes of the US Constitution. We were hood winked duped, given that it was all covered under Crown Law. A farce. We don’t even have the ‘Castle Doctrine’ here, getting in to more trouble than criminals if they’re harmed on our property. I might move to the U.S. 🦘🇦🇺👍
thanks mark
Cheers Dan
I never did get back all the compensation I was owed from the handgun ban back in 1997 here in the UK, the paperwork and the lack of co,operation from the police just made me give up ,
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Thanks for the weather report Mark.
I think this bears watching, by all, as I suspect this is a model, for what’s to come, elsewhere.
Cheers
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Thank you Mark for your encouraging words.
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The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is how many guns law-abiding citizens have access to.
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Where's the SSAA on this ? Thanks mate good information
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SSAA not worth a pinch of , U know what
Working behind the scenes, as per normal.
I hope you guys fair better than we did in Canada
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If the politicians haven't changed since 2021 they will use those who rush to hand them in as justification to vote for the change. The last thing any politician wants is having to answer calls about the new change and why they are changing it. They will use the data on the buyback to say the public wants it. Worked for Ministers and CEO's and many parts of the Government trust me they do not want those calls. It means they have to work for what they are paid.
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Thanks Mark
Appreciate the heads up
Cheers
Rob
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Cheers mate from north Queensland
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All the best WA firearms owner. Good advice from a a great channel.
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Thanks for the update 😊👍
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Same thing in Brazil, but things will change
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I actually find it really weird that the public reform submissions have been seemingly completely ignored. at least 1000 submissions...
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$64 million to buyback a total of 375,000 registered firearms. And then offering less than a thousand dollars and excluding scopes and accessories. I had heard that the amnesty doesn't mean there will be a payment offered for unregistered weapons.
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Time for all us Aussie legal gun owners to stand up and be counted and make the govt understand we will not bend over.
Thanks Prince
Great content thanks for sharing
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A good video. perfect chance to hand in something under amnesty you would have got nothing for.
It is worrying but I am pleased to see so many in the shooting sports working together.
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Thanks mark.
An educated post on an important issue for West Aussie shooters and our sport.
Always so much confused misguided information passed around about our firearms, that well informed folk like yourself can help straighten out.
I saw your recent much longer post on what this police action is realy about, (votes and staying in power) and your comments regarding fishers, camping, 4wdrivers, park visitors etc, being allies from a different source, that wouldnt usualy think of shooters and our 50 plus year firearm struggle, as the much more visible side of all our freedoms being taken by those in power, with no interest to our benefit.
You're Not just an exceptional shooter Mark.
Thank you.
Thank you Col, Cheers
Thanks for explaining. I want to buy more and I am in the process of a purchase. 👍✌️
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Inch by inch. They will do whatever they can to get to that mile.
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Government: Let us ask the police what the rules should be for a private citizen to own a firearm.
Police: They shouldn't have them
Government: Well, there you have it.
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I had a brief look at the proposed bill last night. One of the weird ones was “dual use” firearms would not be allowed. One set of rifles for competition and one set for hunting.
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Division 2 of part 2, item 29, note 3……. Let’s hope this gets ripped out straight away, what a terrible piece of work.
I saw a third option.
They forgot the fourth - for criminal activity?????
That just shows the ignorance of the writers. My competition rifle is an ordinary rifle used to hunt. I still come home from my local competitions with a medal which is usually gold. That rifle could just as easily be found out on a hunt.
Y’all have to stop this in its tracks. You can’t let them get anything, period. Limits is where it starts, next it will be zero guns
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Canada has lots of things like this too, but unfortunately for the anti gunners, we live next door to the largest gun store in the world, and we have a very long undefended boarder with them.
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Thanks for the update. It's good having someone like you put it together after a heart-sink text like we got yesterday.
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fun fact two guns i been trying to trade at gun shops which they always say naaarrr i don't want them "hand them in" are now worth something and can now clear my safe for a shiny new gun...thank you goverment...
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I think the key word with that text we all got is the word ‘voluntary’. That should have been sufficient clarification for everybody. I’ve got an old Diana springer air rifle that I haven’t shot in years. Paid $400, 2nd hand for that, so $233 from the cops is not that bad an offer. I’m considering it. I could do with the additional room in my gun safe…..!
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There is a limit on how many firearms one can keep. If you're a contractor in controlling "pests" you can have over 10, if you're a primary producer the limit is ten and an individual householder can only have 5 firearms. Moreover, gun owners must have more secure storage and location is now a new rule.
Well explained, the prices offered for junk gun would be more than a gun shop will offer, I know from experience, I handed some old guns of my fathers
to WAPOL for destruction.
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If you wait for things to happen, they will happen.
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Keep up the good work and information wishing you the best
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I contacted the SSAA some time ago. There needs to be some investigation into what relationship there is between Papalia and the so call "Professor" Philip Alpers of Sydney University. Alpers is a rabid supporter of disarming the public and he has also written 1 firearm related article for the WEF which can be found on the WEF website.
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The factory magazine for my rimfire .22lr costs more than the “buy back” (how can you buy back something you never owned?)
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Thank you for helping inform the community. Videos like this help people make logical and informed decisions
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Best of luck with this. The NZ Police breached the security of the NZ Firearms Registry within months of its formation.
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Best of luck to you guys.
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America, I hope you (we) are paying attention to how this works. Mark and Sam - I certainly hope you are able to get this stopped, and if not that, get it to a point that it doesn't affect all the awesome content you provide!
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Similar things going on here in Canada. My province is not going along but mostly we are all just waiting for Justin Castro to lose and leave. Governments don't have any of their own money and no way are they buying my firearms with my own money. My guns aren't 4 sale.
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Ahh yes, they are trying this here in Canada but it’s not working in their favour. Bottom line… do not give up your guns, ever. 🇨🇦 cheers!
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Thankyou Mark,many people are confused and don’t understand that it is not compulsory to hand in your firearms,well done 👍🏿
Yes, not law yet, but If it goes through parliament it will be compulsory... Cheers
Imperfect man regulating imperfect man. Love your content stay strong. From the US 🙏
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I hope the SSAA is getting stuck in over this.
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Why would they? They're a key part of the problem and a key cause of many of the restrictions throughout Australia. SSAA love doing "behind the scenes work" as they always say - every time they say this things get worse. In my personal opinion, they seem to be trying to ensure they have a constant guaranteed revenue stream by virtue of getting laws changed to force people to attend ranges without considering the consequences at all.
On the east coast, SSAA are trying to mandate practical shooting tests for ALL licences (these will likely become mandatory either annually or at every renewal) claiming "improving public safety".
In VIC, SSAA are working with the govt to mandate SSAA provided hunter training as a requirement before being able to get firearm or hunting licences - they've got this for duck shooting from 2025 and they've recently developed field hunting and deer hunting courses with the govt (SSAA wouldn't even consult their own deer hunting club SSAA Deerstalkers and use their already recognised hunter training course, SSAA spent likely a small fortune creating their own course with "expert" consultants). They've also created courses that council officers, zoo keepers, airport animal control officers, kangaroo cullers and rangers are already required by govt to do, and they've already made a "nationally accredited firearm safety course" that only they are permitted to deliver nationwide.
The biggest issues aside from the monopoly on being able to deliver the courses are:
* SSAA don't have the ability to get 250,000 people through such courses every year or even every 3-5yrs
* There aren't enough ranges (simulated field) or Range Officers in the entire east coast to handle the existing mandatory practical shooting test for duck shooting that starts next year
* Many people aren't going to sit through mandatory classes, do online modules, etc. just to do what they've always done - many will either give up or go "off-ticket"
* The cost - each course SSAA offer is several hundred dollars per person, has limited seats per course and requires travel to their "training facility" at their range in Little River (VIC) or in hard to get to areas in NSW and QLD.
SSAA seem to be cutting off their nose to spite their faces - they think they'll make a fortune but they forget that they don't have the means to deliver what they're after and that LAFO's and hunters hate the infinite addition of regulations and "courses" given the volume of courses one already needs to do in order to do anything.
If they were serious about offering buy back then it should be double what the purchase price was at the time it was bought, or valued when produced.
Ha! they were knocking $ off guns here in NZ with the buy back because of "hard use" and "age".!!!!! Thing is they were not for sale, so if they want them that much then they should pay at least what they are worth new
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When do Police make the rules.
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Cost of living crisis but they have $64 million to waste on targeting lawful people.
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Keep all your guns
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Whatever you do don't voluntarily give up your firearms to the government.
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As bad as things are in Canada, I think you guys have it even harder over there!
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Is there a proposed limit if you have a collectors licence ?
Link to proposed bill attached below
I don’t think I could do a 5 gun limit. That is not that much when you consider the different types of guns. Let’s say you have a .22 rifle, and a .22 handgun. Now a 12 gauge shotgun, and a deer rifle. Now add a 9mm handgun and you’re at 5 and you don’t have anything that exotic. If you want some competition guns that are generally only used for competitions you are out of luck.
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You couldn't even shoot Combined Services Discipline (CSD) properly. To do so requires at an absolute minimum and causing you to miss 8 other CSD competitions:
* A military rifle from the Axis and one from the Allies (that's two firearms)
* A military training rifle (22LR, etc.) (that's a third firearm)
* A 'long range'/sniper/scoped rifle (that's a fourth firearm)
* A military handgun from the Axis and one from the Allies (that's two firearms - so now the count is six)
That's the bare minimum and that's already six firearms. Thus its not even possible to properly shoot CSD with the stupid 5 firearm limit. Theoretically, even if they permitted six as a minimum you'd be unable to shoot the other 8 CSD competitions and you'd be unable to ever go hunting as they're trying to not permit 'dual use' of firearms.
Great Video, It sounds like everything is okay for now and I hope it only gets better for the responsible and law abiding folks of Australia. It's the good that ultimately pay for the sins of the bad. It's a shame that people that have earned the right to be trusted are not shown trust and respect. Same problem here.
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Move to Queensland / NSW
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Curious, if a list was made of the who’s who of anti freedom gun control activists…. How long would the list be in Australia?
Just curious
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Hopefully when the pendulem swings the other way, you'll have an opportunity to amend your Constitution with some form of our American Second Amendment.
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I'd tell my elected representatives that I don't want my taxes used to buy guns from law abiding citizens under the nonsensical claim that it'll reduce crime or increase public safety. Criminals are not selling government their guns. As a lawful citizen, selling the government your firearms to prevent violent crime is stupid. Is the government going to offer you $500 at the local police station if you participate in their voluntary castration program to prevent rape? There is apparently no limit to how stupid government can be.
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A lot of firearms more than 6 years are in the thousands when it comes to value who's priced this
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That's always interesting isn't it? A Government buying back something it never manufactured or sold in the first place.
When the government offers money, there's always strings attached. When the government offers money, they got the money from taxes. Citizens "selling" their firearms to the government is citizens taxing other citizens.
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How many ministers will end up with a new firearm from the buyback? Labor politicians are more cracked than a coil of wire and untrustworthy unless it benefits them. If I was WA's Premier, I would keep a watchful eye on Papalia, he's after the top job.
"Voluntary" hahahahahahaha, good one, hahahahahahahaha
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The first rule of gun safety is: Don't let the government take your guns. 😅
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Keep your guns if you have them, Australians will need every weapon they can in the near future.
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The role of the police is to uphold the laws of the land , not to advocate new laws. Spend some of the $64 million on better mental health services and domestic violence counciling would be more effective than another misguided gun grab.
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Feel sorry for you fellas.
Fed up I solved the issue by purposely finding and marrying a US Gal 15 yrs ago and now live in Texas. Extreme I know but but with my job and lifestyle choices it’s worked out very well for us.
You guys need the NRA or similar body to stand up for your sport, the SSAA isn’t even a paper tiger. The WA Govt does this as there is no opposition.
Good luck guys
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Don’t do it, Australia.
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The only problems that involve firearms are criminal activity and mental health issues. If the authorities did their job and keep criminals off the streets and actually help those with mental health issues, the "problems" would be reduced. The problem is not law abiding citizens but we are the ones being penalised while criminals ignore the law. Afterall, murder is against the law but it still happens. Countries that have strict gun laws, still have murders. The criminals just use other tools to commit crime.
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The term “buyback” is, in itself, a problem. You never bought your firearms from “them” or am I missing something?!
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Listen Guys ! Pay attention to what’s happening in Canada. . . Because you will not like it .🇨🇦
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64 million wont go far.
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it is why they said to get it while the money is there basically making you not dwell and act on it sooner for the moneys
You mean compulsory confiscation with minimal compensation?
Perhaps there's grounds for a constitutional challenge.
"On just terms"
Section 51(xxxi) is a subclause of section 51 of the Constitution of Australia.[1] It empowers the Commonwealth to make laws regarding the acquisition of property, but stipulates that such acquisitions must be on just (fair) terms. The terms is sometimes referred to in shorthand as the 'just terms' provision.
Buyback is a misnomer. The property wasn't theirs in the first place. Geez this makes me angry
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To be clear, government does not manufacture goods, nor can they BUY something they never SOLD.
@@exothermal.sprocket agree 100%. They are getting too used to ruling us, rather than governing the country for us
This Western Australian government makes it's own rules about firearms as it goes along. It does mention any errors the Police Minister Papalia made last year in relation to a 50 calibre Sniper Rifle and ammunition. The Police minister and police could have approached the Army for the use of such a weapon, however, they chose not too but purchased a new rifle. To make things worse, they requested the use of the Pearce Airbase aircraft landing runway to be used as a firing range. The airbase commander advised them it was impractical due to the number of aircraft landing and departing. The Police Minister Papalia along with Police personnel arrived at Pearce Airbase ready to fire the 50 calibre rifle, the RAAF Commander had to order them off the airfield and suggested another site suitable for firing tests of the rifle. No-one was reprimanded for any wrong doing. Shortly afterwards the then Premier McGowan resigned from his position stating he was too tired to keep working at that level. Months later, the Police Commissioner resigned his position for a cosy government job. As for the gun buyback, I believe the maximum amount payable is $1,000, in some cases with the bigger bore rifles, a person will lose money by handing it in. Friends have rifles which cost over $4,000 fully kitted up... they'll lose three grand. Most assults in Western Australia are not firearm related but stabbings, bashing, fence posts, screwdrivers etc etc. Mr Papalia did not state anything regarding unlicensed firearms which many people get from the black market. There is also a mental test a licensed firearm owners need to go through which may put the cat amongst the pigeons with another organisation which use firearms daily. People are already asking if these workers will be submitted to the same rule?? Western Australia licensed firearm owners are being dubbed as criminals by the Police Minister Papalia. Why isn't he hitting the unlicensed firearm owners with the same rules???
I havnt got a msg yet
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Just one thing you said - that the Police might say hypothetically - “look at all the Firearms we got off the streets”. Always the excuse / pat on the back the authorities use with Amnesty’s / Buy Backs.
Virtually ZERO Firearms are removed “from the streets” because only Law Abiding Citizens hand in unwanted / unregistered Firearms. The Criminals still have their collections of illegal Firearms to do with as they wish, so virtually ZERO increase in safety for the Public or the Police, but at a very significant cost to the Public.
Cheers
NEVER SUN,IT.
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The interest is clear. Illegal firearms on the streets and elsewhere don't matter, but guns in the hands of law abiding citizens does. How does the government act in the name of the people here?
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@@markandsamafterwork Thank you champ. For some reason the government is always leaning on the broad shoulders of those that respect the law. If they have any dignity let them go fix the crooks and not us.
Are you having any thoughts about moving out of WA ? I wouldn't blame you for thinking about it.
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WTF is going on in WA?
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The government would save more lives spending that 64 million dollars on that health system in west australia
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Once they disarm u ,they can do whatever they want ! The only hope is stay armed and defend your freedom ! How is taking guns from law abiding citizens gonna stop criminals from harming people ? Only Onereason to disarm a law abiding society , the government is not doin law abiding things and wants you helpless to stop it !
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They call it a buyback because the guns are legally yours and they can not take what you legally own
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you dont even legally own your house
try not paying land rates for 10 years.
Don’t fall for the trap. Don’t do it.
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Double check the legal on this before you do this but if your licensed for the firearm you are taking in and they offer half the real value you can walk away with the firearm and try again tomorrow and continue that exercise until they offer you a more appropriate price
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When your government tells you that you have no need for firearms, YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP HOLD OF YOUR FIREARMS
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