I think the issue is Fujifilm lenses have an aperture ring. So changing exposure is technically quicker because you're just changing the exposure dial vs. changing a dial and the exposure. I think I'm understanding what you're saying. You're correct that they are stupid, but these are completely different systems.
100% agree with you. I'm Zfc user and never complained on this dial (or any other). For me it is very convenient and intuitive. Sometimes I think that for many people the sense of life is complaining. Maybe they should start thinking before buying? Some people complain also on fully articulated screen, because "it isn't photocentric". What? For me it is, because in my case it is constantly closed, I prefer to use viewfinder, even for menu. Maybe it is because I used manual analog cameras for most of my life.
I wonder if the complaints about the fully articulating screens are from people who like to use the rear screen as a sort of waist level viewfinder; for this case it's definitely faster to position an up/down tilting screen than a fully articulated screen. That said, I really don't understand when people complain about this as if they want every camera to have the same controls and features exactly how they like them. I'm happy there's a variety of control interfaces available; if anything I think there should be more variety, not less!
@@andreweckert3128 that is me. I constantly tilts the LCD up quickly for waist level shooting (or especially lower for the occasional, but not rare, cat photos), quite unironically don't think I can live without a tilting LCD on my EDC camera; very useful on the street as well to keep a low profile and compose without doing a big noticeable movement (such as bringing the camera to your eye), with a flip-out it's quite obvious that you're looking at a screen and the camera profile is significantly wider as seen from the front. Tilting LCD doesn't inherently have much photocentric properties on it's own, it's just that flip-out/fully articulating one often lets the camera have a cooling fan support and that is strictly a videocentric feature. For stills, I think the advantages of tilting LCD for a fast non-eye level composition is a no-brainer; keeping the LCD hidden is quite nifty for protection sake, but if the goal is to exclusively use the finder without "distraction" then one can always just turn the LCD off.
I agree! I currently shoot Fuji, but have shot Nikon for over a decade, including with a Df, which has similar controls to the Zfc and Zf. I've never had a problem with either of Nikon's PASM selector and dials combo, or Fuji's 'A' on the aperture ring and shutter speed dial. I wonder if the problem is that most reviewers just give first impressions of a camera without taking the time to become familiar with it as an actual user would. A photographer who shoots somewhat frequently will learn their camera well enough to operate it from muscle memory, rendering these sorts of complaints absolutely moot.
Well.... I mean, if you are gonna have dedicated dials, the pasm selector becomes redundant? Fuji have done it right IMO with the 3 or 4 dials, one for every parameter. But yeah, the most unread book in existence is the user manual
What you're essentially stumbling upon is the oxymoron that is modern cameras with top analogue style dials, whilst still trying to offer some automation. Back in the day, all you had was the top dials, no front and rear command dials. As a prior XT4/XT30II user, I can tell you that sometimes it does get confusing as hell when wanting to jump between automation modes, because now you have several dials to rotate to C or A to get to where you want. And Nikon chose a different route. These days I am back to PASM style cameras. Most users of the analogue control dials tend to have a honeymoon period with the top dials but eventually they become decorative and the shutter/ISO/EV compensation stuff gets controlled with the front and rear command dials, much like DSLR's. There's a reason we shifted from analogue top dials to PASM+Custom Modes, its simply more efficient.
@@SummersSnaps very interesting and logical take… and that’s most likely the box I fit into. I use aperture priority most of the time but am experienced enough to know when that’s not going to work, and with DSLR controls I can instantly adjust the things I need to… practically without looking at the camera. I adjust ISO and EV frequently using the combination of a button to change the function of the front and rear dials. I can see myself using something like a ZF in the same way… leaving it mainly in A mode and using the rear dial to set the value (I’d have little choice without an aperture ring on the lens) and using the top EV dial. I don’t think I’d go back to using a front / rear dial for that simply because these cameras don’t have a display on the top to summarise these settings.
In my opinion: it boils down to this: Switching modes is one step less and more intuitive on the Fuji but the Nikon 'remembers' your settings if you temporarily switch mode.
I think the issue is Fujifilm lenses have an aperture ring. So changing exposure is technically quicker because you're just changing the exposure dial vs. changing a dial and the exposure. I think I'm understanding what you're saying. You're correct that they are stupid, but these are completely different systems.
100% agree with you. I'm Zfc user and never complained on this dial (or any other). For me it is very convenient and intuitive. Sometimes I think that for many people the sense of life is complaining. Maybe they should start thinking before buying? Some people complain also on fully articulated screen, because "it isn't photocentric". What? For me it is, because in my case it is constantly closed, I prefer to use viewfinder, even for menu. Maybe it is because I used manual analog cameras for most of my life.
I wonder if the complaints about the fully articulating screens are from people who like to use the rear screen as a sort of waist level viewfinder; for this case it's definitely faster to position an up/down tilting screen than a fully articulated screen. That said, I really don't understand when people complain about this as if they want every camera to have the same controls and features exactly how they like them. I'm happy there's a variety of control interfaces available; if anything I think there should be more variety, not less!
@@andreweckert3128 that is me. I constantly tilts the LCD up quickly for waist level shooting (or especially lower for the occasional, but not rare, cat photos), quite unironically don't think I can live without a tilting LCD on my EDC camera; very useful on the street as well to keep a low profile and compose without doing a big noticeable movement (such as bringing the camera to your eye), with a flip-out it's quite obvious that you're looking at a screen and the camera profile is significantly wider as seen from the front.
Tilting LCD doesn't inherently have much photocentric properties on it's own, it's just that flip-out/fully articulating one often lets the camera have a cooling fan support and that is strictly a videocentric feature. For stills, I think the advantages of tilting LCD for a fast non-eye level composition is a no-brainer; keeping the LCD hidden is quite nifty for protection sake, but if the goal is to exclusively use the finder without "distraction" then one can always just turn the LCD off.
I agree! I currently shoot Fuji, but have shot Nikon for over a decade, including with a Df, which has similar controls to the Zfc and Zf. I've never had a problem with either of Nikon's PASM selector and dials combo, or Fuji's 'A' on the aperture ring and shutter speed dial. I wonder if the problem is that most reviewers just give first impressions of a camera without taking the time to become familiar with it as an actual user would. A photographer who shoots somewhat frequently will learn their camera well enough to operate it from muscle memory, rendering these sorts of complaints absolutely moot.
Well.... I mean, if you are gonna have dedicated dials, the pasm selector becomes redundant? Fuji have done it right IMO with the 3 or 4 dials, one for every parameter. But yeah, the most unread book in existence is the user manual
What you're essentially stumbling upon is the oxymoron that is modern cameras with top analogue style dials, whilst still trying to offer some automation. Back in the day, all you had was the top dials, no front and rear command dials. As a prior XT4/XT30II user, I can tell you that sometimes it does get confusing as hell when wanting to jump between automation modes, because now you have several dials to rotate to C or A to get to where you want. And Nikon chose a different route.
These days I am back to PASM style cameras. Most users of the analogue control dials tend to have a honeymoon period with the top dials but eventually they become decorative and the shutter/ISO/EV compensation stuff gets controlled with the front and rear command dials, much like DSLR's.
There's a reason we shifted from analogue top dials to PASM+Custom Modes, its simply more efficient.
@@SummersSnaps very interesting and logical take… and that’s most likely the box I fit into. I use aperture priority most of the time but am experienced enough to know when that’s not going to work, and with DSLR controls I can instantly adjust the things I need to… practically without looking at the camera. I adjust ISO and EV frequently using the combination of a button to change the function of the front and rear dials. I can see myself using something like a ZF in the same way… leaving it mainly in A mode and using the rear dial to set the value (I’d have little choice without an aperture ring on the lens) and using the top EV dial. I don’t think I’d go back to using a front / rear dial for that simply because these cameras don’t have a display on the top to summarise these settings.
In my opinion: it boils down to this: Switching modes is one step less and more intuitive on the Fuji but the Nikon 'remembers' your settings if you temporarily switch mode.