It’s primarily a boys’ club in there, and until the new producer, the only Blacks were Fuhad, James, and Rem. And the new producer isn’t strong enough to spot check them if they say crazy things.
I'm so glad someone shared a TikTok clip of you discussing ShxtsnGigs so I could come to RUclips, subscribe, and listen to the this episode in its entirety.
Unpopular opinion. Im nsorry but im not going to make excuses for them.. i feel like its common sense to just shut down those types of conversations especially when its towards your own community. THEY HAVE been making these comments for years hence why they have been deleting videos and comments. They went on Andrew's podcast knowing what he is about and they didnt take that opportunity to uplift the community soo... idkkk about this one lmao They fell right into Andrew's trap and now they are getting all the heat. hopefully they get better media training for this stuff
I think BW should stay out of any Tyla discourse. It shouldn't bother us and we shouldn't be fighting so hard for a non BW. Why must we always be soldiers for everyone else? And will Tyla come to our defense as a group when the time comes? I'm not fighting for anyone other than BW, sorry I am resting!
My husband's cousin is one of those Black Americans that believes she's indigenous to the US. My husband had his ancestry and it came back like 68 percent Nigerian, and that particular cousin told him the DNA companies are apart of the cover-up.🤦🏾♀️It's giving delulu.
Don't forget that black Caribbeans seemingly believe/act like they are indigenous to the islands. When they get asked where are you from and reply Jamaican no one bats an eye forgetting that the islands were just busy stops on their way to America from Africa. People love to say black Americans don't know where they're from and never bring that same heat to black Caribbeans.
I 100% feel AK. Looking after my mum since her stroke has brought up lots of resentment - I'm doing for her what she hasn't done for me. And I grew up with my mum, but pretty much on my own cos she was single, and constantly working - so I can't imagine doing it for a parent that was totally absent. Resentment is a huge problem!!
The ‘Black indigenous’ theory is a very, very fringe idea that most Black Americans have never heard of and most of the ones who have have dismissed it. It’s the type of the stuff you hear discussed in rabbit hole rooms on clubhouse.
@YourAuntiesCouldNever this also exists throughout the Caribbean and parts of South America, we Americans are just very outspoken, when others are more hush
When Teena Marie’s first album was released Motown Records purposely did not have her photograph on the cover, because they were concerned that Black Americans would not accept a white woman as an R & B artist. Teena grew up around and was totally immersed in Black culture. Her audience and supporters were almost exclusively Black. She was never really a crossover artist. I don’t think that she engaged in cultural appropriation. What do y’all think?
Wanted to see what Black Brits will say about these two. I have seen a few videos from the Americans. Mind you the podcast Bros and bots are finding their way to these videos. Just see the comments section.
Thank you so much guys for the transparency at the start. Damn, I hate that there is a common thread running through all your stories about your parents 😔 all we can do now is try to heal
Ok so if they deleted 100 videos that means they’ve been talking smack about BW, which means BW have most likely seen that content. Therefore why is there an abundant audience of BW there? N why is it NOWW, after they have a huge platform that they’re being exposed? BW dooo betterrr and more research in whom you support!! Bc this is getting old, usually these types of dudes tell on themselves super early, sooo how did they receive ANYYY support from the group that they’re disparaging. This WW was like “they’ve been soooo disrespectful to BW, I’m surprised it took this long etc.” I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense! BW STAND UP! Geeez
You do realsie most of their following was built in the past 2 years? So many people who watch them now never watched their earlier episodes - I know I didn't. It's only the OGs from 2020 ish that can say they really watched all that content and know what they were on years back.
@@LOVELYLONDONGURLit was beginning of the year. They mentioned it - as they were getting “bigger” they have moved it there. I used to be on their Pateron and they explained why
Re: Cassie being with the trainer. The trainer helped her escape ( from my understanding) because she tried several time and could not. The trainer is a part of a cowboy brotherhood who are really closed… again, from my understanding.
Cassie in that video is only wearing one shoe and whatever clothes she could grab. She's clearly trying to sneak out making as little noise as possible.
1 of 2/ I just came across your Podcast because of your Title. I believe that some of you were wonderfully balanced and the others were unfair in their approach to this subject matter. As a British Black older woman in my 60s, who is also a fan of SNG and a Member, I think what is happening to them now is massively unfair. Until they went on that show, I had never heard of Andrew etc. It is strange that the focus seems to be on their reaction but not what was said: 1. Andrew called Jams a "Double Sl*ve", because he is mixed race and his heritage is Irish and Caribbean. Where is the outr@ge? James and Fuhad had to grit their teeth professionally, smiled and moved on 2. Andrew implied that because our British boys did well the time they went to a G*n range -It was to be expected! Whatever stereotyping that man has about Black American men, he put it on our boys. We don't have g* ns here. What we have sadly are kn# ves amongst our youth. James and Fuhad grit their teeth, smiled and moved on. Where is the outr@ge 3. Andrew asked James and Fuhad who they thought the most beautiful woman in the world was? James and Fuhad named the Black American Female singer (named after a male horse - YT Guidelines prevent Mr from mentioning her name). Again - that man would not have it. However James and Fuhad, gritedt their teeth, professionally, smiled and moved on 4. James and Fuhad started the conversation about "the black girl friend effect". WHY? because they were extolling the beauty and graces of a black woman and the effect she has on partners of other races. AGAIN - this man was negative. James and Fuhad gritedt their teeth, smiled and moved on. Where is the outr@ge Those of us fans who know James and Fuhad and are members - not just watching Episodes on YT - know and understand these guys - hence many black women - despite it all - are supporting and backing these guys up. I saw the first 100 videos - those were not moved recently as someone on your panel tried to imply - these were moved months ago - so now we members can carry on watching them on the other Social Media. These boys are old enough to be my sons - I would not hesitate to say if they have done wrong. They have apologised yet our own (People of colour) are still trying to be negative. Why do we do this to ourselves? The person who made the comment, should be the one everyone should be raising concerns about because until I watched SNG on their Podcast, I'd never heard of Andrew, Flagrance etc. James and Fuhad for quite a long time, (over a year at least), have been known to support black female businesses, so our British black sisters can benefit from SNG's success. SNG have done over 800 Videos at least here on YT, and other Social Media Platform where fans like me have Membership and other Platforms- their good work isn't being highlighted! These boys saw me through 8 months of Sick Leave - because of how much their videos made me laugh etc. And people of colour (especially Americans who know this man), raising concerns about this "Comedian", people are being negative about SNG's apology! Many of these Podcasts criticising them start off by admitting they don't know SNG! So any discerning spiritual person out there begins to wonder - so what is going on here?! - SNG should never have stepped foot on Andrew's Podcast. I wish they had never gone to America and just stayed here doing their work. I say this with respect to fellow Americans who support SNG and are also fed up with this negativity. Sorry guys but I just don't understand why that man is not being pulled up on the way he treated our boys and instead our boys are the ones being blamed. What is this?! There is a learning curve - Next time our boys are invited to an American Podcast- they better get their Team to do a proper homework- because now we have all these Americans appearing on Social Media saying they all know this man and his content. Well I'd never heard of him and I now wonder if our boys knew what they were walking into themselves 😢 Maybe if they plan to go on tour in America again, they need to have an American on their Team who can advice them because even when I watched them on that Podcast- this Comedian had allegedly barely watched SNG - It was his co-hosts who seemed to know more about SNG than this man. Please give our boys a break. If SNG had reacted the way some people are suggesting we would be having a different conversation! Someone once said to me - and it relates especially to public figures: If you overreact in an uncouth manner to a statement, that justifies a firm response and over reaction - sadly people will not remember what was said - what people will remember is the way you reacted! The "R" Word in Britain as all of us know is more subliminal and underhanded - from being sniffed at (meaning you are acting above your station); to the psychological games being played by sections of our Media and Press - everyone knows Meghan has been treated negatively because she is mixed race and American (White American Koo Stark went through awful Headlines, for those of us who remember in the 1980s) - Why because both women were dating a Royal. Yet no where would you see the "N" word blatantly plastered across some of those Right Wing rags - yet what Harry and especially Meghan have undergone is worse tan that: The misogynoir, "R" Word; Elitism; Anti Americanism (Koo and Meghan) etc have been sad to say the least. How many of us - let me speak for myself - How many times have I watched myself clearly undergoing an "R" word moment, which is so subtle yet so devastating -that you know what it is - The other person knows what it is - but you just are in shock and just either let it go (as some battles are not worth fighting); you walk out; you even smile but you don't start shouting and throwing stuff. Those of us who know SNG saw how uncomfortable those boys were during that interview. We have watched them on other Podcasts where they are more relaxed! Yet here in this land we have the Law to back us up if there is any kind of "R" word - even I with my legal training - I know if I walked into a Police Station and said someone sniffed at me - Even though the Officer might know exactly what I mean - the reality is - He would rightly ask: "What if the person was sniffing because they have a cold?!". "What if the person looked at you a particular way, because of your hair cut, or followed you in the shop because he happened to have been going the same way?!"Hence many black people I know - and even me - just let things ride. I had an American friend visit me and she was different. She was feisty, in a polite way, would not let you get away with ..... I admired her but we Brits (like it or not) are different from our American cousins! They are very direct and don't take...... As for whether they prefer white or black women. How Fuhad reacted could also be read the other way - Not because there is anything wrong with a black woman but - Why did she want to be a black woman when white women are treated as princesses and black women are - (and the following words - I heard when I was studying for the Bar): "Black women are deemed to be at the bottom of the rung of the ladder!" We have all heard of the power of the White woman's tears! So why would a white woman want to be black with all the privileges that come with her colour?! FACT! We may not like it but it's true! I know how I'm treated when I am walking along with my best friend who happens to be a white British woman. the irony is she sounds so posh, but if it were possible she knows more about the black culture, black music etc than I do - and I'm the black one. We have been friends for 44 years and that woman does not have an "R" word in her bones and because of the bracket of society in which she comes from she has lost friends because of me. Not because they dumped her but because she would not stand for any negativity towards me. Even when her French boyfriend now husband met me back in the 1980s he knew I was her best friend. As bold as she is, there have been times we have both stood in shock (as though frozen in time), as we have observed an "R" moment being levelled at me - It is that flight or fight moment. It happens when you least expect it by the time you recover from the shock - its not even worth responding - sometimes the moment has been lost because the person's moved on.
2 of 2/ I am a wordsmith (as you can see) and I can respond in a way that will make you come close to tears - in a professional manner - but there are times when you just want to keep it going and just leave! I believe SNG when they said they were shocked - they probably were praying for the Interview to be over - laugh, smile and leave but never go back! I would have loved to have been in the car as they were driven away from that studio and the guard was down and their SNG cap was taken off (so to speak). Although I now live a celibate life, which I have done since 1992/93 - (because of my religious beliefs) - I can confidently say - I have dated White, Black and Asian (Chinese) men. Does that mean I don't like Black men?! What a conclusion to draw - it's like going from 0 to 100. People have their preferences and quite frankly as a Born Again, Bible believing, Tongue speaking Christian - Today - Your colour as a man, would not be doing the dictating as to whom I choose to settle with. I may have my preferences but you better have the Godly qualities I'm looking for! I have to live with that person and be compatible with them spiritually, emotionally and physically! It's not just about colour! I admired my American friend for standing up to people, politely but firmly - I wish I had her boldness, but not defending in the moment does not mean they h*te black women! Fuhad speaks fondly and with love about his mum, sister and her child. James and Fuhad have invested in supporting businesses on Social Media belonging to Black women. James needs "Inner Healing and Deliverance" from the b@llying he experienced from black women when he was young - right up to his early University days when he was always addressed as the "Light one" - with no names. But following those moments James has dated black women! We are humans, lets not pretend. Someone on the panel did not like what he said about the women who bullied him - he was hurt - what would you say -"Oh! but they were really beautiful, even though they b@llied me!". Anyone who has followed James for a minute knows he has no filter and is honest. He was hurt and he had a come back - everyone at that moment - would! You don't praise those who b@lly you! You may pray for them but you don't praise them, and to knock him for pushing back at b@llies and then concluding he does not like black women is a great jump! An erroneous one. James the 'hurting one' at that moment - reacted. If he did not like black women he would not say - time and time again (for those of us Members that follow them) - that his ideal woman is that Black American woman with the name of a male horse! I have heard James say that at least THREE Times on different Podcasts and their own Podcast! He is also attracted to white women - so what?! James cannot deny himself - he is part white - so something in him must like people who look like half of his family and heritage! Anyway can we just let this go. Where is grace? Even God said the following powerful words in John 8:7. But for people to say our boys do not like black women as some Podcasts (no one has ever heard of) have suggested is so untrue 😢 That statement (31:07/1:44:21) - about "ShXting on people they have st@len from" - Wow! was with respect - extreme, harsh, unkind and unnecessary! Wow! God bless that lady in the panel for highlighting that SNG have supported black businesses - and this is what we know of them. God bless the other lady for showing grace! People of colour need to stop tearing each other apart and - Yes - black women are always being put down - people need to start reacting to those making those comments not the reactions. And Yes - I do accept their apology. That man was negative about BOTH Black women and the TWO black and mixed race men whom he invited to his Studio. He was not just negative about black women - The outr@ge should be about that - not the way the boys reacted! The apology was never deleted. It is still there aft the beginning of their "Her inside of her mouth skin" (Episode 427) and I'm glad they did not delete it. I accept their apology. these young men are being given a hard time whilst Andrew allegedly gets away with this! Apologies for any typographical and grammatical errors.
Each one of your experiences with the relationships of your parents with each other and with you was interesting. It would be interesting to know how you feel those experiences have affected your relationships with Black men.
And also, sure they “invested in” Nella Rose but I feel like they did that for a piece of her clout. Nella Rose was already Nella Rose before they started working with her
Joe B is just the worst. He can’t help but denigrate a Black woman when he sees the chance. She can dance if she wants and disengage if she wants. When I think about how Usher is literally twice Tyla’s age and how we’re likely moments away from Usher being implicated in PD’s array of crimes I’m glad she demurred. Good for her.
I just finished listening to the podcast and honestly the part about Tyla being bullied is partially right. I wish we had this same animosity towards 🖐🏻 who use our culture as cosplay while Tyla comes from our original culture. We have been brainwashed on many things but we have a VERY complex history. Most if not all of Black Americans are not 100% African. Plus we don’t know our original culture from any part of Africa cause it was taken from us. And no not all dark skin people are African. Native Americans are only called that because they walked over some ice but Vikings, Africans, even Asians came over to America before Europeans washed the dirt off their bodies. Humans all know that the original man came from Africa and spread out to all the lands. Scientists say they only changed due to environment and food sources.
black culture: interesting discussion, so what can black artists do ? I agree with Sade, there is nothing you can do. Its a reflection of the way the world is run.
I don't understand why we are shocked at this! We all talk like this only that it's not filmed and put out here. We black people love to act like we have amnesia 🙄 at some point most nigerians have said something about Nigerians and the 'other' tribes. Listen, there's no smoke without fire, we Nigerians have a reputation for a reason. Nigerians have suffered in the hands of other Nigerians period! These two's only fault was sitting down and shitting on Nigerians for the world to see and hear, apart from that, this conversation is going on in your homes and circles every 👏🏾day! The hypocrisy stinks!
I think your comparison of Mya to Tyla is wrong and unfair. Mya came up in a different industry where they were media trained and had different gatekeepers who you couldn't speak out against. Literally the same environment that Diddy is being indicted for now. You've seen what's happened to women from that era. Mya was blackballed because she didn't want to play ball behind the scenes and quietly left the industry, took her initiative and started her own label and went independent. How is she 'quiet'? There is strength in her actions- she took control of her life. There's no comparison between herself and Tyla other than being of a certain phenotype. Two different women with separate ethnicities, nationalities and identities.
On the other side of the spectrum, I saw a news story about obviously upper middle class women who do either Instagram or TikTok posts about the outfits that they are wearing to drop their children off at school. 🤷🏿♂️
So sisters let’s be real if you want to have this conversation about black Americans then ask one of us. The ADOS community would like to say something and black Americans have no problem being black… we are not all distancing ourselves from Africa. We are also not allowed by Africa to be welcomed back with open arms.
Most of the women on this podcast sound like they are praying for the downfall of Shxts n Gigs. I am a subscriber and a member. I will continue to watch and listen to Shxts n Gigs. I believe James and Fuhad know that they made a mistake. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! One day one of you ladies will make a mistake too and I pray that you receive more grace than what you have extended to James and Fuhad.
Definitely not praying for the downfall. But disappointed in their behaviour. Thank you for subscribing. Appreciate it. Even if you we're not always on the page 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Black Americans are not saying they are indigenous as in what we know as aboriginal. Some try to distance themselves from Africans but this isn’t the case. Indo/indigenous also means more than “native”. If you’re interested look up indo and indigenous of India, caribbeans, Asia, etc
I think that she is referring to the fabricated fringe theory that says Black Americans were indigenous to this continent.. The theory argues that white people came here, enslaved us, told us that we were from Africa and over time we began to believe them.
@@MarianneSunshine I agree. This is from Wikipedia: 'Indo-Caribbean people or Indian-Caribbean people are people in the Caribbean who trace their ancestry to the Indian subcontinent. They are descendants of the Jahaji indentured laborers from British India, who were brought by the British, Dutch, and French during the colonial era from the mid-19th century to the early 20th century." And this: 'At the time of first contact between Europe and the Americas, the Indigenous peoples of the Caribbean included the Taíno of the northern Lesser Antilles, most of the Greater Antilles and the Bahamas, the Kalinago of the Lesser Antilles, the Ciguayo and Macorix of parts of Hispaniola, and the Guanahatabey of western Cuba.'
Ok so r.e. the indigenous to america point, what I took it as meaning is the black american race is indigenous to america. They are made up of a mix of different african and european ancestries as a result of slavery. They are indigenous in that their unique ethnic admixture and culture was founded in america as a result of slavery. It is a unique black identity in the same way nigerian and Jamaican are.
Downfall where? If Americans don't want to watch that's their business but their audience is worldwide and you lot must be nuts if you think you're going to dictate what others should do.
28:37 Ok maybe I'm stupid, but my take away from that "Why do you want to be black" didn't feel like an anti black thing. It's more to do with why tf would you want to change your race? It's weird. We dragged Rachel Dolezal for doing the exact same thing.
24:18 Set up by Andrew. Andrew is an actor too. Played along. Maybe he wanted to call them out. It's that brand of comedy. Ricky Gervais, Frankie Boyle, Bill Burr. Not for everyone.
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I refuse to believe there is a sane and smart woman on James and Fuhads management!!
Not a black one, for definite
She is whyt.
It’s primarily a boys’ club in there, and until the new producer, the only Blacks were Fuhad, James, and Rem. And the new producer isn’t strong enough to spot check them if they say crazy things.
I'm so glad someone shared a TikTok clip of you discussing ShxtsnGigs so I could come to RUclips, subscribe, and listen to the this episode in its entirety.
@@Passion84GodAlways Welcome 🤗
@@YourAuntiesCouldNever - Thank you! 🤗
I wish u had a black American on the panel for the diaspora convos bc there’s so much nuance missing from the black American perspective
We may get into it on News & Nonsense tomorrow x
Yeah. That Tyla and Black American conversation was really cringe.
@@jayce4065why was it cringe?
@@jayce4065why
@@jayce4065 I am a U.S born black and and I didn't find the black american convo cringe? what was cringe part for me.
Unpopular opinion. Im nsorry but im not going to make excuses for them.. i feel like its common sense to just shut down those types of conversations especially when its towards your own community. THEY HAVE been making these comments for years hence why they have been deleting videos and comments. They went on Andrew's podcast knowing what he is about and they didnt take that opportunity to uplift the community soo... idkkk about this one lmao They fell right into Andrew's trap and now they are getting all the heat. hopefully they get better media training for this stuff
Just subscribed ladies, I missed the whole S&G saga and I am glad you are covering it and also calling that ish out, not cool at all.
Thank you for subscribing 🖤🖤🖤
I think BW should stay out of any Tyla discourse. It shouldn't bother us and we shouldn't be fighting so hard for a non BW. Why must we always be soldiers for everyone else? And will Tyla come to our defense as a group when the time comes? I'm not fighting for anyone other than BW, sorry I am resting!
Just found you ladies and obviously, I subscribed.
Welcome!! And thank you!! 🤍
Thank you 🎉🎉🎉🖤🖤🖤
My husband's cousin is one of those Black Americans that believes she's indigenous to the US. My husband had his ancestry and it came back like 68 percent Nigerian, and that particular cousin told him the DNA companies are apart of the cover-up.🤦🏾♀️It's giving delulu.
Don't forget that black Caribbeans seemingly believe/act like they are indigenous to the islands. When they get asked where are you from and reply Jamaican no one bats an eye forgetting that the islands were just busy stops on their way to America from Africa. People love to say black Americans don't know where they're from and never bring that same heat to black Caribbeans.
I 100% feel AK. Looking after my mum since her stroke has brought up lots of resentment - I'm doing for her what she hasn't done for me. And I grew up with my mum, but pretty much on my own cos she was single, and constantly working - so I can't imagine doing it for a parent that was totally absent. Resentment is a huge problem!!
Sorry to hear. I'm trying to navigate my feelings of resentment everyday. Big hugs and take care of yourself. 🖤🖤🖤 Aunty AK xxx
The ‘Black indigenous’ theory is a very, very fringe idea that most Black Americans have never heard of and most of the ones who have have dismissed it. It’s the type of the stuff you hear discussed in rabbit hole rooms on clubhouse.
Agreed but the point is there are sets Black Americans that are set on distances themselves from Africa and Africans
Thank you!!
@YourAuntiesCouldNever this also exists throughout the Caribbean and parts of South America, we Americans are just very outspoken, when others are more hush
Agreed im black and born here in US and am nearly 30 and have never heard that. Ive lived in both the north and the south
When Teena Marie’s first album was released Motown Records purposely did not have her photograph on the cover, because they were concerned that Black Americans would not accept a white woman as an R & B artist. Teena grew up around and was totally immersed in Black culture. Her audience and supporters were almost exclusively Black. She was never really a crossover artist. I don’t think that she engaged in cultural appropriation. What do y’all think?
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Wanted to see what Black Brits will say about these two. I have seen a few videos from the Americans. Mind you the podcast Bros and bots are finding their way to these videos. Just see the comments section.
Thank you so much guys for the transparency at the start. Damn, I hate that there is a common thread running through all your stories about your parents 😔 all we can do now is try to heal
Ok so if they deleted 100 videos that means they’ve been talking smack about BW, which means BW have most likely seen that content. Therefore why is there an abundant audience of BW there? N why is it NOWW, after they have a huge platform that they’re being exposed? BW dooo betterrr and more research in whom you support!!
Bc this is getting old, usually these types of dudes tell on themselves super early, sooo how did they receive ANYYY support from the group that they’re disparaging.
This WW was like “they’ve been soooo disrespectful to BW, I’m surprised it took this long etc.”
I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense! BW STAND UP! Geeez
You do realsie most of their following was built in the past 2 years? So many people who watch them now never watched their earlier episodes - I know I didn't. It's only the OGs from 2020 ish that can say they really watched all that content and know what they were on years back.
They moved 1-100 episodes to their pateron this year
@@deedescartes apparently it’s in response to this.
@@LOVELYLONDONGURLit was beginning of the year. They mentioned it - as they were getting “bigger” they have moved it there. I used to be on their Pateron and they explained why
@@deedescartes As people are saying they removed the videos in response to the backlash, good to know this.
I always thought SHXTS N GIGS were secretly hunching each other. No shade. Their apology was shyt.
Me too which would be ok. but why really fumble the bag. I found them when they went on KevOnStage podcast with Angle and they seemed ok
I love the diaspora saying what tf needs to be said! 🇨🇦🇯🇲
I love the conversation at the beginning ❤❤❤. Thank you for sharing!!
Thank you 🖤🖤🖤
Re: Cassie being with the trainer. The trainer helped her escape ( from my understanding) because she tried several time and could not. The trainer is a part of a cowboy brotherhood who are really closed… again, from my understanding.
Can you expound on the meaning of “cowboy brotherhood?” I’ve never heard that phrase.
But we supported them in big numbers, even when there were signs they were problematic. I think there is a bigger discussion to have about why?
Cassie in that video is only wearing one shoe and whatever clothes she could grab. She's clearly trying to sneak out making as little noise as possible.
She practically put on the socks and shoes at the elevator.💔Diddy and his Lawyers need to come up with a better lie.
People quickly move onto the next thing. They will maybe disappear for a month or 2 and come back like nothing happened
They will not even dissappear. They will just go on until ppl forget & move on to the next.
Please they'll be just fine, black Americans really need to get this idea that they run the world out of their delusional minds.
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I just came across your Podcast because of your Title. I believe that some of you were wonderfully balanced and the others were unfair in their approach to this subject matter. As a British Black older woman in my 60s, who is also a fan of SNG and a Member, I think what is happening to them now is massively unfair. Until they went on that show, I had never heard of Andrew etc. It is strange that the focus seems to be on their reaction but not what was said:
1. Andrew called Jams a "Double Sl*ve", because he is mixed race and his heritage is Irish and Caribbean.
Where is the outr@ge? James and Fuhad had to grit their teeth professionally, smiled and moved on
2. Andrew implied that because our British boys did well the time they went to a G*n range -It was to be expected! Whatever stereotyping that man has about Black American men, he put it on our boys. We don't have g* ns here. What we have sadly are kn# ves amongst our youth. James and Fuhad grit their teeth, smiled and moved on. Where is the outr@ge
3. Andrew asked James and Fuhad who they thought the most beautiful woman in the world was? James and Fuhad named the Black American Female singer (named after a male horse - YT Guidelines prevent Mr from mentioning her name). Again - that man would not have it. However James and Fuhad, gritedt their teeth, professionally, smiled and moved on
4. James and Fuhad started the conversation about "the black girl friend effect". WHY? because they were extolling the beauty and graces of a black woman and the effect she has on partners of other races. AGAIN - this man was negative. James and Fuhad gritedt their teeth, smiled and moved on.
Where is the outr@ge
Those of us fans who know James and Fuhad and are members - not just watching Episodes on YT - know and understand these guys - hence many black women - despite it all - are supporting and backing these guys up. I saw the first 100 videos - those were not moved recently as someone on your panel tried to imply - these were moved months ago - so now we members can carry on watching them on the other Social Media. These boys are old enough to be my sons - I would not hesitate to say if they have done wrong. They have apologised yet our own (People of colour) are still trying to be negative. Why do we do this to ourselves? The person who made the comment, should be the one everyone should be raising concerns about because until I watched SNG on their Podcast, I'd never heard of Andrew, Flagrance etc.
James and Fuhad for quite a long time, (over a year at least), have been known to support black female businesses, so our British black sisters can benefit from SNG's success. SNG have done over 800 Videos at least here on YT, and other Social Media Platform where fans like me have Membership and other Platforms- their good work isn't being highlighted! These boys saw me through 8 months of Sick Leave - because of how much their videos made me laugh etc. And people of colour (especially Americans who know this man), raising concerns about this "Comedian", people are being negative about SNG's apology! Many of these Podcasts criticising them start off by admitting they don't know SNG! So any discerning spiritual person out there begins to wonder - so what is going on here?!
- SNG should never have stepped foot on Andrew's Podcast. I wish they had never gone to America and just stayed here doing their work. I say this with respect to fellow Americans who support SNG and are also fed up with this negativity. Sorry guys but I just don't understand why that man is not being pulled up on the way he treated our boys and instead our boys are the ones being blamed. What is this?! There is a learning curve - Next time our boys are invited to an American Podcast- they better get their Team to do a proper homework- because now we have all these Americans appearing on Social Media saying they all know this man and his content. Well I'd never heard of him and I now wonder if our boys knew what they were walking into themselves 😢
Maybe if they plan to go on tour in America again, they need to have an American on their Team who can advice them because even when I watched them on that Podcast- this Comedian had allegedly barely watched SNG - It was his co-hosts who seemed to know more about SNG than this man.
Please give our boys a break. If SNG had reacted the way some people are suggesting we would be having a different conversation!
Someone once said to me - and it relates especially to public figures:
If you overreact in an uncouth manner to a statement, that justifies a firm response and over reaction - sadly people will not remember what was said - what people will remember is the way you reacted! The "R" Word in Britain as all of us know is more subliminal and underhanded - from being sniffed at (meaning you are acting above your station); to the psychological games being played by sections of our Media and Press - everyone knows Meghan has been treated negatively because she is mixed race and American (White American Koo Stark went through awful Headlines, for those of us who remember in the 1980s) - Why because both women were dating a Royal. Yet no where would you see the "N" word blatantly plastered across some of those Right Wing rags - yet what Harry and especially Meghan have undergone is worse tan that: The misogynoir, "R" Word; Elitism; Anti Americanism (Koo and Meghan) etc have been sad to say the least. How many of us - let me speak for myself - How many times have I watched myself clearly undergoing an "R" word moment, which is so subtle yet so devastating -that you know what it is - The other person knows what it is - but you just are in shock and just either let it go (as some battles are not worth fighting); you walk out; you even smile but you don't start shouting and throwing stuff. Those of us who know SNG saw how uncomfortable those boys were during that interview. We have watched them on other Podcasts where they are more relaxed! Yet here in this land we have the Law to back us up if there is any kind of "R" word - even I with my legal training - I know if I walked into a Police Station and said someone sniffed at me - Even though the Officer might know exactly what I mean - the reality is - He would rightly ask:
"What if the person was sniffing because they have a cold?!".
"What if the person looked at you a particular way, because of your hair cut, or followed you in the shop because he happened to have been going the same way?!"Hence many black people I know - and even me - just let things ride.
I had an American friend visit me and she was different. She was feisty, in a polite way, would not let you get away with .....
I admired her but we Brits (like it or not) are different from our American cousins! They are very direct and don't take......
As for whether they prefer white or black women. How Fuhad reacted could also be read the other way - Not because there is anything wrong with a black woman but - Why did she want to be a black woman when white women are treated as princesses and black women are - (and the following words - I heard when I was studying for the Bar):
"Black women are deemed to be at the bottom of the rung of the ladder!"
We have all heard of the power of the White woman's tears! So why would a white woman want to be black with all the privileges that come with her colour?! FACT! We may not like it but it's true! I know how I'm treated when I am walking along with my best friend who happens to be a white British woman. the irony is she sounds so posh, but if it were possible she knows more about the black culture, black music etc than I do - and I'm the black one. We have been friends for 44 years and that woman does not have an "R" word in her bones and because of the bracket of society in which she comes from she has lost friends because of me. Not because they dumped her but because she would not stand for any negativity towards me. Even when her French boyfriend now husband met me back in the 1980s he knew I was her best friend. As bold as she is, there have been times we have both stood in shock (as though frozen in time), as we have observed an "R" moment being levelled at me - It is that flight or fight moment. It happens when you least expect it by the time you recover from the shock - its not even worth responding - sometimes the moment has been lost because the person's moved on.
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I am a wordsmith (as you can see) and I can respond in a way that will make you come close to tears - in a professional manner - but there are times when you just want to keep it going and just leave! I believe SNG when they said they were shocked - they probably were praying for the Interview to be over - laugh, smile and leave but never go back! I would have loved to have been in the car as they were driven away from that studio and the guard was down and their SNG cap was taken off (so to speak). Although I now live a celibate life, which I have done since 1992/93 - (because of my religious beliefs) - I can confidently say - I have dated White, Black and Asian (Chinese) men. Does that mean I don't like Black men?! What a conclusion to draw - it's like going from 0 to 100. People have their preferences and quite frankly as a Born Again, Bible believing, Tongue speaking Christian - Today - Your colour as a man, would not be doing the dictating as to whom I choose to settle with. I may have my preferences but you better have the Godly qualities I'm looking for! I have to live with that person and be compatible with them spiritually, emotionally and physically! It's not just about colour!
I admired my American friend for standing up to people, politely but firmly - I wish I had her boldness, but not defending in the moment does not mean they h*te black women! Fuhad speaks fondly and with love about his mum, sister and her child. James and Fuhad have invested in supporting businesses on Social Media belonging to Black women. James needs "Inner Healing and Deliverance" from the b@llying he experienced from black women when he was young - right up to his early University days when he was always addressed as the "Light one" - with no names. But following those moments James has dated black women! We are humans, lets not pretend. Someone on the panel did not like what he said about the women who bullied him - he was hurt - what would you say -"Oh! but they were really beautiful, even though they b@llied me!". Anyone who has followed James for a minute knows he has no filter and is honest. He was hurt and he had a come back - everyone at that moment - would! You don't praise those who b@lly you! You may pray for them but you don't praise them, and to knock him for pushing back at b@llies and then concluding he does not like black women is a great jump! An erroneous one. James the 'hurting one' at that moment - reacted. If he did not like black women he would not say - time and time again (for those of us Members that follow them) - that his ideal woman is that Black American woman with the name of a male horse! I have heard James say that at least THREE Times on different Podcasts and their own Podcast! He is also attracted to white women - so what?! James cannot deny himself - he is part white - so something in him must like people who look like half of his family and heritage! Anyway can we just let this go. Where is grace? Even God said the following powerful words in John 8:7. But for people to say our boys do not like black women as some Podcasts (no one has ever heard of) have suggested is so untrue 😢
That statement (31:07/1:44:21) - about "ShXting on people they have st@len from" - Wow! was with respect - extreme, harsh, unkind and unnecessary! Wow! God bless that lady in the panel for highlighting that SNG have supported black businesses - and this is what we know of them. God bless the other lady for showing grace! People of colour need to stop tearing each other apart and - Yes - black women are always being put down - people need to start reacting to those making those comments not the reactions.
And Yes - I do accept their apology. That man was negative about BOTH Black women and the TWO black and mixed race men whom he invited to his Studio. He was not just negative about black women - The outr@ge should be about that - not the way the boys reacted!
The apology was never deleted. It is still there aft the beginning of their "Her inside of her mouth skin" (Episode 427) and I'm glad they did not delete it. I accept their apology. these young men are being given a hard time whilst Andrew allegedly gets away with this!
Apologies for any typographical and grammatical errors.
Each one of your experiences with the relationships of your parents with each other and with you was interesting. It would be interesting to know how you feel those experiences have affected your relationships with Black men.
And also, sure they “invested in” Nella Rose but I feel like they did that for a piece of her clout. Nella Rose was already Nella Rose before they started working with her
Joe B is just the worst. He can’t help but denigrate a Black woman when he sees the chance. She can dance if she wants and disengage if she wants. When I think about how Usher is literally twice Tyla’s age and how we’re likely moments away from Usher being implicated in PD’s array of crimes I’m glad she demurred. Good for her.
I just finished listening to the podcast and honestly the part about Tyla being bullied is partially right. I wish we had this same animosity towards 🖐🏻 who use our culture as cosplay while Tyla comes from our original culture. We have been brainwashed on many things but we have a VERY complex history. Most if not all of Black Americans are not 100% African. Plus we don’t know our original culture from any part of Africa cause it was taken from us. And no not all dark skin people are African. Native Americans are only called that because they walked over some ice but Vikings, Africans, even Asians came over to America before Europeans washed the dirt off their bodies. Humans all know that the original man came from Africa and spread out to all the lands. Scientists say they only changed due to environment and food sources.
black culture: interesting discussion, so what can black artists do ? I agree with Sade, there is nothing you can do. Its a reflection of the way the world is run.
Ak’s face when Farrah and Sade started going on about bottle cap 🤣🤣🤣she just wanted to drink her water in peace
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Are they really getting canceled from one episode on someone else’s show? They are hilarious 😢.
Imagine denouncing lineage linked to the cradle of civilisation and humanity itself to claim native America lol
I don't understand why we are shocked at this! We all talk like this only that it's not filmed and put out here. We black people love to act like we have amnesia 🙄 at some point most nigerians have said something about Nigerians and the 'other' tribes. Listen, there's no smoke without fire, we Nigerians have a reputation for a reason. Nigerians have suffered in the hands of other Nigerians period! These two's only fault was sitting down and shitting on Nigerians for the world to see and hear, apart from that, this conversation is going on in your homes and circles every 👏🏾day! The hypocrisy stinks!
I think your comparison of Mya to Tyla is wrong and unfair. Mya came up in a different industry where they were media trained and had different gatekeepers who you couldn't speak out against. Literally the same environment that Diddy is being indicted for now. You've seen what's happened to women from that era. Mya was blackballed because she didn't want to play ball behind the scenes and quietly left the industry, took her initiative and started her own label and went independent. How is she 'quiet'? There is strength in her actions- she took control of her life. There's no comparison between herself and Tyla other than being of a certain phenotype. Two different women with separate ethnicities, nationalities and identities.
On the other side of the spectrum, I saw a news story about obviously upper middle class women who do either Instagram or TikTok posts about the outfits that they are wearing to drop their children off at school. 🤷🏿♂️
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Akash wasn't getting much backlash as he brought it up. Andrew is getting it all.
So sisters let’s be real if you want to have this conversation about black Americans then ask one of us. The ADOS community would like to say something and black Americans have no problem being black… we are not all distancing ourselves from Africa.
We are also not allowed by Africa to be welcomed back with open arms.
Also we are so mixed because slavery was a lot and there were several fires in the 1800’s that destroyed a lot of records of births and marriages.
Most of the women on this podcast sound like they are praying for the downfall of Shxts n Gigs. I am a subscriber and a member. I will continue to watch and listen to Shxts n Gigs. I believe James and Fuhad know that they made a mistake. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! One day one of you ladies will make a mistake too and I pray that you receive more grace than what you have extended to James and Fuhad.
Definitely not praying for the downfall. But disappointed in their behaviour. Thank you for subscribing. Appreciate it. Even if you we're not always on the page 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Black Americans are not saying they are indigenous as in what we know as aboriginal. Some try to distance themselves from Africans but this isn’t the case. Indo/indigenous also means more than “native”. If you’re interested look up indo and indigenous of India, caribbeans, Asia, etc
I think that she is referring to the fabricated fringe theory that says Black Americans were indigenous to this continent.. The theory argues that white people came here, enslaved us, told us that we were from Africa and over time we began to believe them.
Indo Caribbean people are those with Indian ethnicity completely different from the indigenous Caribbean people.
@@MarianneSunshine I agree. This is from Wikipedia: 'Indo-Caribbean people or Indian-Caribbean people are people in the Caribbean who trace their ancestry to the Indian subcontinent. They are descendants of the Jahaji indentured laborers from British India, who were brought by the British, Dutch, and French during the colonial era from the mid-19th century to the early 20th century." And this: 'At the time of first contact between Europe and the Americas, the Indigenous peoples of the Caribbean included the Taíno of the northern Lesser Antilles, most of the Greater Antilles and the Bahamas, the Kalinago of the Lesser Antilles, the Ciguayo and Macorix of parts of Hispaniola, and the Guanahatabey of western Cuba.'
Please change your thumbnail! Lol. Those guys are really hard to look at.
James and Fuhad seem like they follow the herd and come across as beta men.
Fish fingers!!!! I never knew!!!!
Ok so r.e. the indigenous to america point, what I took it as meaning is the black american race is indigenous to america. They are made up of a mix of different african and european ancestries as a result of slavery. They are indigenous in that their unique ethnic admixture and culture was founded in america as a result of slavery. It is a unique black identity in the same way nigerian and Jamaican are.
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Downfall where? If Americans don't want to watch that's their business but their audience is worldwide and you lot must be nuts if you think you're going to dictate what others should do.
I wonder if Jennifer Lopez will be subpoenaed?
Is there any overlap between Diddy and Epstein?
If the girls did bully James then he should call them out. Not go after all Black women.
I think there needs to be more of an understanding of the South African culture within the American culture.
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It was a joke get a life
You stupid
28:37 Ok maybe I'm stupid, but my take away from that "Why do you want to be black" didn't feel like an anti black thing. It's more to do with why tf would you want to change your race? It's weird. We dragged Rachel Dolezal for doing the exact same thing.
24:18 Set up by Andrew. Andrew is an actor too. Played along. Maybe he wanted to call them out. It's that brand of comedy. Ricky Gervais, Frankie Boyle, Bill Burr. Not for everyone.