Actually, the lower your resolution, the more demand is put on your CPU instead of the GPU. Think about it, When you're at a high resolution, your CPU is waiting on your GPU all the time, because the GPU is working harder and the CPU has nothing to do other than wait for it to process that data. At a lower resolution the GPU is outputting more frames, and that data still has to be handled by the CPU, because the CPU is what sends the data that needs processing by the GPU, to the GPU. The GPU cannot process the next frame until the CPU sends that data across, more frames = more demand on the CPU. In other words you can bottleneck a GPU at low resolution if the CPU isn't fast enough, but that same setup may not even lose frames from increasing the resolution because it's just balancing out the bottleneck between the 2.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants If I was trying to get hundreds of frames at 1080p, then yes CPU matters. At 1440p and a goal of 60 fps, there is no need to spend more on the CPU, and particularly it doesn't matter if it is six cores or eight for gaming, so spending extra for that is a waste.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants And I'm telling you, look at the raw data as reported by sites like Gamer Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. In Starfield, for example, the number of cores a CPU has simply does not matter, four core CPU's outperform ones with more. For that game, a 7700 performs only a frame or two better than a 7600. I mention this game only because I looked at it recently. Generalizations like "balance matters" are useless. Match your components to the specific needs of the software you run.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants Lower resolution outputting more frames? makes no sense, you're basically sayin that 1440 has more frames than 4k. Your GPU should be faster building the frames if the resolution is lower because there's not as much work for the GPU as working with 4k resolution, which means u get more work for the CPU if u have a high end GPU and lower end CPU, it's totally opposite of what you're saying.
I have a 1440p setup using a 7800xt and I grabbed a 7600x although the 7800x3d is superior the gains at 1440p are not worth £150. Was able to use that £150 for a steel series mouse and keyboard set instead. Thanks again AMD. Been team red since the FX days and now my Intel fan boy friends hiding in the sand (the very hot expensive sand)
if you play at 4k and above absolutely. I have a 7600x and RTX 4090 and play PCVR with a quest 2 @ 5048x2736 render resolution. I wont be upgrading my CPU until ryzen 8000 series at the earliest. 7600x is a badass.
Normally higher resolutions are less processor using and more GPU. So if you are aiming to play in high resolutions then you don't really need better processor. But if you do it on FHD then I'd wonder if it's not something to consider.
Yep. Especially with DLSS3. I got a r5 7600x paired with my 4080 OC, it does not bottleneck it and using DLSS3 I get well over 100fps on all titles Ive played. Including CP2077.
So unless you mainly play one of those games that massively profit off of the 3D-V-cache, at 1440p or lower, it's not really worth it. Here, selling my 7600X and buying a 7800X3D would cost me 320€ minimum, plus a few hours of my time getting it done. My main game is not in any benchmark nor can be benchmarked, so I'm not taking the risk. With Ryzen 8000 (or whatever it's gonna be called), the X3D-CPUs will probably tank in price, unlike the 5800X3D, because they won't be top of their platform anymore. They'll be somewhat comparable in gaming but lack in terms of everything else. Then again, if you spent almsot 2000€ on a RTX 4090 and 3000€ in total without CPU, paying a few hundred Euros on the CPU to reduce the impact of CPU-bound moments and getting the best experience may be worth it. I don't understand how someone can spend the price of a reasonable used car on a GPU but then be stingy on the CPU.
I went from a 5900X to 5800X3D to 5800X to 7600X to 7800X3D in the course of 2 months. I realized the 5800X3D was actually helping over my 5900X but I didn't realize till I went back to a vanilla 5800X. I then decided for basically zero out of pocket cost to sell AM4 w/ 5800X3D and for about $40 more I went to 7600X on x670/32gb CL30 6000MT. This 7600X ran great in my older BF4 game at 5450mhz. I have a second motherboard to use so I thought maybe a open box 7700X but found a brand new 7800X3D for $340 locally sealed in the box. Just installed the 7800X3D and BF4 at least near 4k resolution doesn't feel a whole lot different then the 5800X3D & 7600X. But I will be set for a good while. Now time to upgrade my Media Gaming PC on 4k 144hz with the 7600X/X670 parts.
Few months ago i got myself a brand new gaming pc with a ryzen 5 7600, it is a beast nontheless, but a friend of mine that has a ryzen 7800X3D got himself a new ryzen 9 7950X3D for his work. So i bought his (now 1 year old) 7800X3D for 250 euro. I still have to put it in the system, but when i will fire it up, i dont think i will notice huge differences in gaming (maybe some). Like you said, you will be set for i while. For 250 euro i thought yea why not take the best gaming cpu for that price.
Always found it funny how there is heavy diminishing returns when considering what cpu to pair with your gpu with very little bottleneck in 4K when compared to 1080p. On paper you have to spend MORE money on your CPU to get less of a bottlebeck running in 1080p. Yes, obviously you're gonna spend more on a 4K monitor with a decent refresh rate but I still find it bemusing. Currently rocking a 7600x with my 6950 xt on my 4K 144hz Sammy and it's serving me beautifully.
I play pcvr exclusively with a quest 2 at 5408x2476 which us technically 5k i guess so my choice of the 7600x with 4090 truly was the best price to performance combo you could get so im happy. Ill wait for ryzen 8000 series to upgrade my cpu.
Very intelligent choice. For high resolution gaming always put most money into the gpu and get a decent cpu, that can max out the gpu at 4K. Later upgrade the cpu :)
i play only 4k so i went with 7600x, paired with 7900xtx its a great build. 43 inch 4k 144hz hdr mini led monitor. last time i buy monitor from samsung though as they rape new buyers then lower price after 3 weeks
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I game at 1440p so it makes no difference which card I use, its all about the GPU. I can save hundreds by buying the cheaper CPU. Thank you!
Actually, the lower your resolution, the more demand is put on your CPU instead of the GPU. Think about it,
When you're at a high resolution, your CPU is waiting on your GPU all the time, because the GPU is working harder and the CPU has nothing to do other than wait for it to process that data.
At a lower resolution the GPU is outputting more frames, and that data still has to be handled by the CPU, because the CPU is what sends the data that needs processing by the GPU, to the GPU. The GPU cannot process the next frame until the CPU sends that data across, more frames = more demand on the CPU.
In other words you can bottleneck a GPU at low resolution if the CPU isn't fast enough, but that same setup may not even lose frames from increasing the resolution because it's just balancing out the bottleneck between the 2.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants If I was trying to get hundreds of frames at 1080p, then yes CPU matters. At 1440p and a goal of 60 fps, there is no need to spend more on the CPU, and particularly it doesn't matter if it is six cores or eight for gaming, so spending extra for that is a waste.
@@thegreatgazoo7579 I'm just telling you that balance is what matters most. Otherwise one side or the other is wasted potential.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants And I'm telling you, look at the raw data as reported by sites like Gamer Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. In Starfield, for example, the number of cores a CPU has simply does not matter, four core CPU's outperform ones with more. For that game, a 7700 performs only a frame or two better than a 7600. I mention this game only because I looked at it recently. Generalizations like "balance matters" are useless. Match your components to the specific needs of the software you run.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants Lower resolution outputting more frames? makes no sense, you're basically sayin that 1440 has more frames than 4k. Your GPU should be faster building the frames if the resolution is lower because there's not as much work for the GPU as working with 4k resolution, which means u get more work for the CPU if u have a high end GPU and lower end CPU, it's totally opposite of what you're saying.
I have a 1440p setup using a 7800xt and I grabbed a 7600x although the 7800x3d is superior the gains at 1440p are not worth £150. Was able to use that £150 for a steel series mouse and keyboard set instead. Thanks again AMD. Been team red since the FX days and now my Intel fan boy friends hiding in the sand (the very hot expensive sand)
Exactly what I’m doing next month
So if you're just a gamer the 7600x is enough good to know.
if you play at 4k and above absolutely. I have a 7600x and RTX 4090 and play PCVR with a quest 2 @ 5048x2736 render resolution. I wont be upgrading my CPU until ryzen 8000 series at the earliest. 7600x is a badass.
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If you're competitive at all you play 1080p low settings in which case a 7800x3d rtx 4070 outperforms a 7600 4090 build.
Id take the 7800x3d, but the difference in price in my country is 150eur
This is what I've been waiting for. 7-14 more frames at 2k and 4k for $200 or so more bucks, yeah no.
4k is always going to be CPU limited, the 3D trumps in power efficiency.
yesn't
Normally higher resolutions are less processor using and more GPU. So if you are aiming to play in high resolutions then you don't really need better processor. But if you do it on FHD then I'd wonder if it's not something to consider.
Yep. Especially with DLSS3.
I got a r5 7600x paired with my 4080 OC, it does not bottleneck it and using DLSS3 I get well over 100fps on all titles Ive played. Including CP2077.
@@mp6732 and if you had a better CPU you might get 150 fps. Like who cares? I agree with you.
So unless you mainly play one of those games that massively profit off of the 3D-V-cache, at 1440p or lower, it's not really worth it. Here, selling my 7600X and buying a 7800X3D would cost me 320€ minimum, plus a few hours of my time getting it done. My main game is not in any benchmark nor can be benchmarked, so I'm not taking the risk. With Ryzen 8000 (or whatever it's gonna be called), the X3D-CPUs will probably tank in price, unlike the 5800X3D, because they won't be top of their platform anymore. They'll be somewhat comparable in gaming but lack in terms of everything else.
Then again, if you spent almsot 2000€ on a RTX 4090 and 3000€ in total without CPU, paying a few hundred Euros on the CPU to reduce the impact of CPU-bound moments and getting the best experience may be worth it. I don't understand how someone can spend the price of a reasonable used car on a GPU but then be stingy on the CPU.
I went from a 5900X to 5800X3D to 5800X to 7600X to 7800X3D in the course of 2 months. I realized the 5800X3D was actually helping over my 5900X but I didn't realize till I went back to a vanilla 5800X. I then decided for basically zero out of pocket cost to sell AM4 w/ 5800X3D and for about $40 more I went to 7600X on x670/32gb CL30 6000MT. This 7600X ran great in my older BF4 game at 5450mhz. I have a second motherboard to use so I thought maybe a open box 7700X but found a brand new 7800X3D for $340 locally sealed in the box. Just installed the 7800X3D and BF4 at least near 4k resolution doesn't feel a whole lot different then the 5800X3D & 7600X. But I will be set for a good while. Now time to upgrade my Media Gaming PC on 4k 144hz with the 7600X/X670 parts.
Few months ago i got myself a brand new gaming pc with a ryzen 5 7600, it is a beast nontheless, but a friend of mine that has a ryzen 7800X3D got himself a new ryzen 9 7950X3D for his work. So i bought his (now 1 year old) 7800X3D for 250 euro. I still have to put it in the system, but when i will fire it up, i dont think i will notice huge differences in gaming (maybe some). Like you said, you will be set for i while. For 250 euro i thought yea why not take the best gaming cpu for that price.
Always found it funny how there is heavy diminishing returns when considering what cpu to pair with your gpu with very little bottleneck in 4K when compared to 1080p. On paper you have to spend MORE money on your CPU to get less of a bottlebeck running in 1080p. Yes, obviously you're gonna spend more on a 4K monitor with a decent refresh rate but I still find it bemusing.
Currently rocking a 7600x with my 6950 xt on my 4K 144hz Sammy and it's serving me beautifully.
I play pcvr exclusively with a quest 2 at 5408x2476 which us technically 5k i guess so my choice of the 7600x with 4090 truly was the best price to performance combo you could get so im happy. Ill wait for ryzen 8000 series to upgrade my cpu.
good choice
Very intelligent choice. For high resolution gaming always put most money into the gpu and get a decent cpu, that can max out the gpu at 4K. Later upgrade the cpu :)
Yeah I was just thinking of buying the 7800x3d to replace my 7600x for use with my RTX 4080. Probably just wait.
@@Gaetano.94 def wait
lower resolution 1080p = major difference
higher resolution = negligible
7600x is the best price/fps cpu! Got mine for 170usd. Next year will see how much the 9600x will cost 🎉
7500f is better when it comes to price/fps but 7600x is still pretty good
i play only 4k so i went with 7600x, paired with 7900xtx its a great build. 43 inch 4k 144hz hdr mini led monitor. last time i buy monitor from samsung though as they rape new buyers then lower price after 3 weeks
I'm pretty sure you're bottlenecking ur GPU bro btw
Nope not at 4k as he literally explained in the comment in fact at 4k the gpu is probably bottlencing the cpu@@TheKainzor
no way you're complaining about a company lowering prices
Maybe when the price goes down ill upgrade ah ha ha ha...
I was going to buy a 7 7800x3d but here in Australia it’s $600 while the 5 7600x is only $250
Not worth the extra money of the X3D to play in 4k
what about 1080p?
@@someguywithmtndew5691 Why are you playing at peasant resolution my guy
@@JamesBond77 because it’s the monitor i have and it’s 240hz :|
@@someguywithmtndew5691 144hz, 1440p monitors are cheap now you now ?
@@JamesBond77most people use 1080p lmao
Not worth in 1440p
the description says its a detailed comparison. where? dogshit
my 13600K is enough