Mission : Impossible. The very first one. My favorite of the series and my favorite Brian De Palma film (Scarface is overrated 😋). The Bluray was always unwatchable because the color saturation was so hot. I never understood why. Then the 4K release came out, and it was a miracle. The first time it looked proper since I saw it in Theaters back in 96.
When I'm only occasionally willing to buy a movie on 4K, they have to be epic movies with a sense of scale or horror or sci-fi movies I've always cherished or it's the only way to buy long-out-of-print movies (although I've bought a number of Kino Lorber 4K releases lately, but they included a Blu-ray too, so paying a few more dollars to have the 4K too just made sense). For example, I don't need 'National Lampoon's Vacation' or 'Uncle Buck', etc. on 4K. That format is just overkill for certain movies that really don't need such a major upgrade. In those cases, the DVD or Blu-ray is good enough, but those are all personal tastes and choices anyway. :)
I'm still yearning for 4KS of 1966's "A Man for All Seasons" and the 1990s "The Road Home" (Zhang Ziyi, directed by Zhang Yimou). And there are others.
@@jnagarya519, yeah, 'A Man for All Seasons' would be great on 4K. I bought it on DVD for just a few dollars at a local Value Village and I bought the soundtrack many years prior to that on LP record which has most of the dialogue of the movie and the main title and end title score by Georges Delerue. If you liked Delerue's score for that movie, I highly recommend his score for 'Anne of the Thousand Days' (1969) which is also a fantastic period movie as you probably already know. Delerue also composed a wonderful score for 'The Day of the Dolphin' starring George C. Scott and I have that movie on a Kino Lorber Blu-ray as well as the score on a pristine used LP and CD. :)
@@TorontoJon I can agree on many of the Blu-ray’s in my collection are just fine with Blu-ray. Watching some of the first Blu-ray’s especially some of the comedies don’t look as good. Just rewatched Hitch & Into the Blue yesterday, and both looked soft and the colors were on the dull side compared to other Blu-ray’s I have.
@@80sMadeConsumer, yes, some of those earlier Blu-rays did not live up to their full potential and even some DVD releases were not as bright or polished as their Blu-ray upgrades. I remember that being a criticism of the first Blu-ray release of 'The Fifth Element' that the transfer had a lot of flaws in terms of the colour timing or other details compared to a later Blu-ray release and an even later 4K release. It all depends, I guess, on the quality of the source material transferred and on the dedication of particular studios to release top notch products.
I just recently upgraded my TV and got a 4k player. I knew nothing about 4k until I got them for Xmas. While I do see a big difference, the colors and the brightness and darkness along with the sharpness of the picture is real. But it's not so important that I need every movie in 4k. I have compared some movies back-to-back and not all are that much better. I found that Bleuray still does the trick for most films.
Yeah I find that some not all the older Blu-ray’s don’t look as good, the biggest jump is from an older film with a good 4k transfer absolutely amazing.
A proper 4K transfer is shockingly better, not necessarily because of the denser pixel structure but because of the capability of HDR and the expanded color pallet tied to it. More importantly, more and more large size panels are being sold (I'm using a 77 C2), and the capabilities of these sets, imo are far exceeding what we even see in a lot commercial theaters. What 4K physical represents is really apparent on them. . Bluray is still a great alternative. But it is limited in a proper direct comparison.
I agree, and I have all my bells and whistles turned off or low. No upscaling no motion smoothing on. Sharpness turned way down etc…. Great 4ks look amazing. The ones that most people say are tye worst aren’t as bad. So settings also play a factor. Rewatching a lot of the older Blu-ray’s and with out the upscaling they look a bit rough. Most of the newer ones are all around solid, but could be better.
They can put those same transfers on blu ray discs though. I bought the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy on blu ray years ago (remastered in 4k). I re-bought the same movies on 4K discs years later and decided to compare the quality on my 65inch 4K TV and on my 4K projector (110 inch screen). I'd be lying if I said there was a noticeable difference.
Eh, I've seen Blu rays that look almost as sharp as 4k on 85". If the picture and sound improvement isn't there, it's not worth it imo. Here's looking at you Se7en and Zodiac.
I have a standard blu ray player and a 1080p led Toshiba. I also have a collection of about 30-40 movies. I think im gonna stick with the Blu ray format for all my movies because theyre cheap, look great and have a consistent shelf appeal lol.
I sit 10 feet back in my bed on a 75’ tv a dvd upscaled looks great, I don’t always have the best of 4k deals in person here in Vegas but a dvd is 1 or 2 bucks and a bluray is 3 bucks or so used, so it’s better on my wallet to do that then throw 35-45 on a 4k , great video , I enjoyed this 💪🏼
Oh for sure it is get them as cheap as you can! Living in a military town its the same very limited selection, tons of DVDs. I only started buying used movies in 2016 wished I started sooner. Thanks!
Dude thank you for this video. I was going to do one myself but you took the words right out of my mouth. Honestly I think this is an exhausted argument 4k vs Blu-ray.
Great minds right! It’s been hitting me hard lately constant comments with strong opinions of only 4k or only Blu-ray guys. There truly is room for both, and we live in an odd time in home video history. Now the biggest part of the conversation is transfers. When Blu-ray came out no one was talking about the nitpicky details, and if you don’t your aren’t a serious collector. There were plenty of Blu-ray’s that had bad transfers and eventually they got better, no one was arguing DVDs vs Blu-ray.
When streaming reaches Kaleidescape levels of audio/quality then we can have a discussion. Even then, the issue of ownership is still present. Physical media...always.
Old movie restorations benefit the most on 4K … digital formats have changed the game and for these the difference between 1080p and 4K is sometimes negligible. But the difference between DVD and formats mentioned above is much more glaring period.
Some of my favorite looking 4ks are movie like Spartacus and the Trouble with Harry. Proper restorations from movies shot on film with great lighting is something that is breathtaking.
The searchers recent 4k release by WB is exactly what 4k is about, but unfortunately, studios are not willing to put that much effort across the board.
I keep hearing that about The Searchers I’ll have to grab that soon. It really is the problem there is no standard. Quality varies drastically from disc to disc some look too dark others too much film grain added in or DNR. I truly think best of both worlds do all the 4k restoration and put them on Blu-ray’s. I’d rather have a solid Blu-ray than a subpar 4k.
I'm a home media enthusiast. I have a small home theater with a 110inch screen, 4K projector, and a 5.2.2 audio system and I can barely tell the difference when it's the same transfer/remaster. Unless I'm looking for small details to nitpick (instead of simply enjoying the movie I'm watching,) it's completely negligible. 99% of the time I upgrade for better artwork &/or a steelbook.
Like 100 here! So I just picked up Inland Empire by David Lynch Critertion for $30, I never spend money like that compared to my .50 cent thrfit VHS LOL. But this was necessary I am cleaning out any Lynch I can find in my huntin' grounds. So the Criterion Collection Lost Highway will be my first 4K Purchase, I have no player. They did this with a Blu Ray / 4K combo set to trick me into having to upgrade potentially LOL You are my High end Guy LOL Keep on Huntin'
Nice! sometimes all it takes is that one film to get you. I’m finding more and more 4ks while thrifting for about 2 bucks, you’ll have a whole collection soon haha
Great Video 🎉... When I first heard about the first 4K releases nearly 10 years ago, there I was expecting: Citizen Kane, 2001, Gone with the Wind, Enter the Dragon, and what did we get..?? "Pineapple Express"..!!?? 😢😮
Thank you! I was surprised some of the classics took so long to get on the format seeing as they are some of the best sellers to this day. Gone With The wind still has no 4k, and we just very recently got Enter the Dragon & Citizen Kane on 4k. Just baffling 🤯
The only movie i keep multiple copies of is The Burbs. Because its my favorite movie ever. Laserdisc, dvd, og blu ray, arrow uk steelbook br, and Shout Factory blu ray. Shout is best. But i love Laserdisc audio. For others i usually wait for the inevitable 4k sale. Tho i did buy The Searchers day one. Finally gonna watch tonight.
I still have to grab The searchers! You can’t go wrong with The Burbs just and absolute classic. Give me that & Money Pitt and I’ll good for the afternoon.
I just got a big 4k tv. Many of my blurays and DVDs look really good on it. Some 4Ks look fine but not great if they are older movies. I found a bunch of 4K for a good price so I ordered some of my favorite movies just for fun.
Awesome on the upgrade! Unfortunately there isn’t a standard for 4ks some look better than others. I did just make a video about how tv settings could ruin the picture. That helps with many of the 4ks on the worst lists. Some are just early 4ks with bad transfers.
If it's a dialogue heavy film, and the mix is only 5.1 or 7.1 (no Atmos) it's pretty much never worth upgrading unless the Blu-ray had a weak transfer. If it's an action/horror/sci-fi film though, HDR can make a nice difference, but especially the audio if it has an Atmos or DTS-X mix. The actual resolution bump is the least worthwhile upgrade, and I say this as someone with a 77'' G4 who sits less than seven feet away. Kill Bill Vol 1 is the perfect example of the UHD being more of a lateral move. It has better highlights (Blu-ray is blown out everywhere), but it has massive grain problems that are not nearly as noticeable on the Blu-ray.
I’m running a 65 OLED at 12 feet away. I’m holding off on the Kill Bill 4ks the Blu-ray’s are good enough. looking forward to Jackie Brown though. Going from a decent 5.1 or 7.1 to Atmos or DTSX on a non action movie can be hit or miss sometimes it can be very subtle. Something to note, but not a selling point.
@@80sMadeConsumer Where you're sitting sounds pretty much standard for most people in a living room, which is actually too far from even a 65'' to notice the actual *full* resolution difference over 1080p. Not a criticism at all, just mentioning it because 10 - 12 seems pretty much where most people sit in their living rooms from their TVs now. I'm sitting just under seven feet from a 77'', and yes, if I move back to 12 - 15 feet, the problems are way less noticeable, but then I may as well be watching 1080p too (aside from the HDR benefit). I know what I said about resolution being the least reason to upgrade, but it still kind of matters. 🙂 It is the film though, because there are plenty of "grainy" films that look great where I sit. Jackie Brown being one of them. Also, Vol 2 is a noticeable improvement over Vol 1. The issues that are on the Vol 1 UHD remain, but are GREATLY diminished to the point where it's not even noticeable outside of the very start during the black and white rehearsal. Overall it is an upgrade to the Blu-ray.
I will get the Kill Bills eventually, I was very happy with Jackie Brown. I mean I guess its average viewing distance, a door way is stopping me from sitting closer. Moving at the end of the year so maybe that won't be an issue any more.
The dvd upscale is good enough for me. I have been going blu ray but think I’ll revert back to dvd because the hunt at thrift stores is half of the fun for me and dvd is abundant in the thrift stores. 4k sounds cool but I’m done with replacing movies- no more wasting money for me.
I love the physical media that has all 3 formats 4k UHD + Blu-ray + Digital. My living room has a 1080p TV with 5.1 receiver. In my room I have 4k Tv and speaker. So I have use for all formats especially Digital when am my cousin place and wanna have a movie playing in the background
I think I have in a round about way talking about blu-ray boutique labels or importing movies. Great idea I will have to make a specific versus video thank you.
I slowly been building a collection. If the blue ray has the Atmos and is substantially cheaper then its good enough for me. I even buy dvds (50 cents) if its just and old comedy or not flashy because the 4k upscale is pretty damn good. 4k is really dark on my tv, so now i need to upgrade that just to run 4k.
Collecting used is great, I love finding things I had no clue existed. I had that dark 4k problem too, cleared most of that up by adjusting my contrast and Gamma settings. It took me a while to get the sweet spot so the Blu-rays still looked good.
Have you ever double dipped by accident? I have the with anime movie Akira I had the Blu ray already but slipped my mind one day when I went to best buy and got the 4k version
I have many times, I accidentally preordered two A Nightmare on Elm Street deluxe sets. One from France and one from the UK. I’ve gotten several Kino titles during sales only to put them away and it’s already sitting on the shelf.
Something I do as a solution for my thrift store hauls is I take photos of my entire haul after every hunt and closeups of movies, CDs, records, or books, etc. and I keep them all in folders on my computer or on a portable hard-drive with folders organized by year. That way, I can glance at and keep track of which movies I've already purchased because it's easy to forget what one has previously organized so well on shelves or stored away in boxes, etc. :)
The number of times I hear this. Of course there is minimal difference on a 65” screen, maybe apart from the HDR which most reviewers ignore. To get the maximum benefit you need the right video and audio gear. A lot of people also see 4K streams and jump to wrong conclusion. Blu-ray is a great format and good enough on a lot of set ups but cannot touch 4K when done right
If you have a screen of at least 60 inches, as long as the transfer remaster is well done, you'll 100% appreciate the upgrade. Now with people getting 80-inch screens and beyond, those old normal blurays are starting to look like DVDs on a 50-incher. I've honestly never noticed a lot of sound differences but then again I've only got a standard soundbar and subwoofer. The issue here is that prices for things like steelbooks, out of print slipcovers, pre-orders for steelbooks before the same damn movie has even made it out of its FIRST weekend in theaters, are all things that make buying physical media unattractive on the whole for everyone. I myself am boycotting steelbooks bc their prices are ludicrously overpriced, shamelessly even. Especially when just a year ago we used to only pay $19.99 - $24.99 for a new steelbook. It's only "niche" and overpriced bc studios have propagandized us to believe so. Best Buy getting rid of its 1 dinky movie shelf does NOT make physical media "niche." Just excuses for them to milk more money out of gullible sheep consumers. Having to jump through hoops for a 4k is uncalled for. You have to be almost LUCKY to get the first Terminator on 4k at a decent reasonable price... And that movie has ONLY BEEN OUT FOR A MONTH!!! Unacceptable. Why can't Wal-Mart just carry it? Why can't I just get a decent conditioned copy with slipcover off Amazon??
It probably depends on the tv and the player, In my experience It felt the same with my 50 inch tv and after I upgraded to the 65, some looked better than others with plenty looking more soft focus or like you said DVDs. On my old 1080p tv Blu-rays looked great. I agree and hate the preorder option. I would stop using it, but too often The ones I really wanted sold out quickly. They should be at a fair price and available for everyone. Overpaying ebay scalpers is the worst.
I watch VHS movies on a large screen 4K TV and even projected onto a 120 inch screen for some fun and not once have I whined about the images not being sharp enough or the colours not being vibrant enough (and that was with just a new $65 1080p LCD projector too or an older Canon 1080i projector from the late 1990s or early 2000s; not even a super high-end projector), so lock me up. Hahahaha! :)
@TorontoJon LOL I made another comment on this video that said if you watch blue rays on a 4k you might as well watch vhs. You totally do it. Nice. Your logic checks out lol.
Sonic film blu-ray has Atmos.....sounds amazing , im more sound person so .if it on discount i get it. Also the cgi remake Ghost in Shell 1080p blu-ray has atmos is really good doubt u see much visible difference compared to 4k.
For some movies it sure is but for many i think it is overhyped. The last issue that made me love the 4k was the release of the Searchers. Perfect restoration. But for others it is not necessary... the Bluray will be enough.
I have all the motion smoothing and upscaling turned off. Many older Blu-ray’s don’t look as good, but many of the newer ones look great. I would love for more older movies get The Searchers treatment
Very true. I have all that turned off for 4k movies and Blu-ray’s. But I have a custom setting where all the features are turned on, most dvds look ok and some of the Blu-rays look better on that setting.
I have a 4K tv and player. But I always check the remaster reviews first... the fact that Jaws 3 and 4, Cameron films and now Fincher making bad Ai 2K upscaled to 4K nonsense, I'll be buying less f4Ke UHDs going forward.
Everyone has different tastes and also tvs and tv settings play a part in how films look. Many people love film grain many people don't its always good to check different reviewers when possible.
Bought Phantom Menace in 4k and boy was i disapointed by The picture 😬 audio was good tho and hdr made The colors pop i guess 😅 not worth getting in 4k unless The price is good.
If I can find the Blu-ray for $4 and the 4K cost $30 and above it’s just not worth it. I can probably get 7 Blu-ray’s for price if the 4K. If I see it used or on sale for $10 I might upgrade depending on film. I watched a movie on dvd last night called Bingo Long Traveling All Stars that I checked out from library. I highly enjoyed it. It doesn’t need to be Blu-ray or 4K to be enjoyed. DVD still looks pretty good. To me money is a huge factor. I am not I the $40 a movie business just to see it in HD.
Great film, I imported the Blu-ray from indicator films during their 3 for 30 sale. Price is a huge factor outside my top 100 favorite films. I’m still buying VHS and DVD although I can watch them on the 4k I still have a CRT hooked up in the movie room, for the most part it’s more about the movie than the format.
Streaming movies will not be in 4k, only disc, TV programs has to be live when air if in 4k ?!?!, And and furthermore you can't sell a TV in 4k if the TV industry not going to have any discs because everything is on the disc for quality for these expensive TVs
4K IMO has gotten out of control. Watched Tombstone earlier today, the packaging is so much better than Blu-ray or 4K. Plus the soundtrack is in 5.1 DTS, in my experience, if you buy a quality television like a sony oled, anything you play with a nice 4K unit will look fantastic, no matter what. We are being taken, dishing out money for this format which I was totally into. But not this year, my eyes are open now.
I can see that, having a Sony OLED hooked up to a Panasonic UB9000. I thing the conversation is all over the place because so many people have budget friendly models, or older tvs without HDR or Dolby Vision built in.
It is with the exception of a few discs, I’ve had a hand full that look way too dark, others look perfect. There are some old Blu-ray’s that looked rough almost like they were dvd transfers on a Blu-ray, but overall the majority looked great on my old HD tv.
I only buy 4K (steelbooks if I can find them). I will appreciate my choice in the future when I win the lottery and can afford a home cinema with a projector and surround sound 😂
@80sMadeConsumer yeah UK and Germany (with Turbine) are putting out nice releases. I just got myself into a new world of pain with Vinegar Syndrome. They don't have any distributor in mainland Europe so basically I have to import everything directly from them. On top of the high shipping costs there is 21% tax and other customs/administration fees..it's really disheartening to be honest.
Tell me about it, I love Imprint Films out of Australia they put out a ton each month, you get free shipping if you spend X amount of dollars, so to buy 1 or 2 titles isn't worth it especially since the shipping on that would be about the cost of another movie. I can go through Diabolik DVD or one of the other places that handle international blu-rays, but they get a limited amount and I am a creature of habit.
A lower-resolution TV benefits more from higher resolution media, than Higher resolution TV's from lower resolution media. Downscaling is technically Super-Sampling and has major benefits because it has more pixel information to work with so a 4k image on a 1080p will have upto* (Techinally depends on disc size) 4x the information. Upscaling is essentially Interpolation which is an estimation of what it believes the pixel to be, based on a hardware and software algorithm. This however has no upsides, it's simply refitting a lower resolution image onto a higher resolution screen that has up to* 4x less information to work with per pixel, so the TV or device has to essentially fill in pixels with what it belives to be the best possible answer for that pixel. And bless your heart if you're watching a DVD on a 4K screen, you would actually be better off watching a DVD on a 1080p screen. This is why and its going to get nerdy. 4K is 3840 x 2160p = 8,294,400 pixels of the screen and 4K disc ( Hardware & Software ) , up to 4x higher than 1080p and up to 24x higher than 480p/DVD! 1080p or 2k is 1920 x 1080p = 2,073,600 pixels on the screen and Blu-Ray disc, up to 4x lower than 2160p/4K and up to 6x higher than 480p/DVD. 480p or 1k is 720 x 1080p = 345,600 pixels on the screen and DVD disc, up to 6x lower than 1080p/Blu-Ray, and up to 24x lower than 2180p or 4K.... 24X! It's harder for 4k to fill in the Pixel difference because it's having to interpolate more pixels than 1080p. If a person is forced to upgrade their 1080p TV in 2025 because it broke or whatever reason then that necessarily forces them to upgrade their DVD player and media to at the minimum a Blu-Ray player because all their DVD's are going to look much worse on a 4K screen than a 1080p or 2k screen. That's not considering other benefits like HDR etc. Just for giggles, God help us if 8K is ever the standard, It's be the same but DVD will be unwatchable on a 8k screen. The information gap would be insurmountable.
I 100% agree. I've always felt the same way about video games (even moreso actually) if the native game resolution exceeds the display resolution then all the jagged edges and artifacts just fade away
8k would be something I'd probably pass on if I could help it. I might buy a new 4k tv or 2 if they start pushing that as the standard, get the most milage I can out of my collection. Some DVDs while not great aren't unwatchable on my 4k tv, I do prefer to watch them on my old CRTs and 1080p tv.
I started collecting blu rays again because they are so often superior to 4k. Just because you can make it brighter doesnt mean you should, and they do that a lot. Or worse, they mess with the color timing or use AI to shit all over the image. Rare cases where the 4k is actually an improvement, mad max 2 the road warrior is a good example in my opinion
I'm still buying VHS and DVD just because of the movie, so for me its about the film and not the format. Watching a good 4k on the big system is great when its great.
I would say that 4K is only for cinema enthusiasts who want the best, but for everyone else who isn't that into it, the Bluray is enough, even the DVD looks very good on my non-OLED 4K TV. Of course, it's always a question of how you're used to watching films. If you're more used to the old film look, then 4K is obviously not for you. Since I grew up with VHS myself, I have seen some changes when it comes to home entertainment, but I've now reached the point where I don't want to update anymore and for me the 4K format simply doesn't offer any added value for me to jump on the bandwagon. On top of that, I'm very nostalgic when it comes to my films and DVD is often the better choice when it comes to that old school feeling. I believe that everyone should collect the format that they feel is right and not what the elite dictates.
100% Agree 🎉 it's the same for Anything in the 'Real World', consumers should only consider/acquire what is 'Appropriate for their purposes'. "Not Everyone Needs a Sports Car to do Grocery Shopping" ❤
fair enough, I too am still buying VHS and DVD. too mant films never junmped to the newest format at the time. For me I would rather have some of these older films rereleased rather than another copy of some of the more popular titles.
Think of it: 8-track tapes had a lifespan of 20 years and cassette tapes had a lifespan of 40 years of production (with a bit of a resurgence now). Will 4K as a format have a longer lifespan? It's only been available to consumers since 2012 and manufacturers are already scaling back their production of 4K players, so it might not even exist in 7 or 8 years' time.
Can't argue with that, but last year it was hard for me to get everything that was released that i wanted. That window of time could produce a great library of 4k films.
@@80sMadeConsumer, I certainly hope that 4K and Blu-ray will be around for a long time because like you, I enjoy my physical media library. It always brings a smile to my face that no amount of streaming thumbnails could ever achieve. Haha! :)
It’s worth it at $15, unless you really have to have the expensive steelbook.😂 Then price is no object and you need to watch Prometheus again! Tomorrow’s watch Heat in 4K, much better looking than the Blu-ray. Need for Speed is great in 3D! I grew up in Michigan and worked at Ford…so love this movie. Rampage is also great in 3D. Got Annihilation on Blu-ray with Atmos for $5…didn’t go for the 4K.
Very true! I have some big chunky premium editions that I’m afraid to tell my wife I want just because of the price 😂 I’ll get to it someday, maybe I’ll marathon the whole Alien franchise. Annihilation trailer looked stunning, have to get that soon! Heat is amazing enjoy!
If it was worth it, we wouldn't have people making videos like this. Most people can't even tell what resolution or frame rate they're watching, let alone if it's in Dolby Vision. People just want good movies.
Lots of tv settings across the different manufacturers amp up the contrast. The key is adjusting the contrast for 4ks to look brighter and not making the Blu-ray’s too bright. After changing that setting only Snatch still had a darker image. If interested I would check out a video of the best looking reference 4k discs to make your adjustments. And then double check with any snow scene.
I honestly don't see 4K having the longevity that DVD still enjoys for the time-being and it won't last as long as Blu-ray has either. Given how 4K is being scaled back by certain manufacturers, we'll never see 8K at any point, not in physical form anyway, so 4K will most likely be the last of the physical media formats.
The thing about Atmos and DTS:X isn't needed because say you're watching a DVD with standard 5.1, most modern AVRs have such good upmixing that you can select DTS: Neural X, Auro 3D or Multi channel stereo and you will have all of your speakers active. Sure it's not as pinpoint accurate but sometimes I prefer selecting one of the upmixing settings because you get more bass with DTS: Neural X or Multi channel stereo. But if I have a DVD I will upgrade to the 4K UHD blu-ray because they take up less room. But I will wait on reviews and usually will watch My Moonization, HD-Numérique and a few other comparison videos to see if it's worth getting.
@@DrakonR Come to my place and I'll prove you wrong. My 7.3.4 setup along with 20 other subwoofers not including my standalone subwoofers with DTS: Neural X more than 90% of the time craps all over native Dolby Atmos.
@@DrakonR Well how does it work? Oh ya, you use your ears and hear a crappy Atmos sounds compared to DTS: Neural X. Keep in mind that with DTS: Neural X you don't need height channels, but if you do, it's heaven to the eardrums.
Fair enough, I'm in the best of both worlds still having my old tvs and home theater set ups in another room. If I just had the one main system, I would probably go all in on 4k only.
Let me chime back in. I’ve been spending lots of money on 180gram LPs, upgrading to 4K which is all said and good but you know something it’s not all what it’s cracked up to be people. Demolition Man for one from arrow video. I gotta say the Blu-ray looks so much better than their 4K transfer. These items are nothing but a cash grabs. Save your money buy Blu-ray, DVD and LP’s at a used record store. I’ve been doing this for 50 years.
I still buy plenty of used media and have a great time doing so. The Demolition Man blu-ray was always really good. I did a review when the 4k came out. I liked the 4k but it wasn't a huge difference. My thing was the colors were off. Simon Phoenix had an extremely unnatural skin tone on the 4k compared to the bluray.
In some cases Blu-Ray is too much. The fourth Rambo movie is what i use as my prime example of why. The last kill of the film which see Rambo take out the main bad guy is completely ruined on Blu-Ray because you can’t see the cgi effect and it looks bad. I was born in 1969,i witnessed the birth of the vhs revolution which was the first time we could basically have the cinema in our own homes and back then eighteen months after it’s release Star Wars was still being shown in the cinema and it was hard to get the big movies and that was made up by the smaller studios and cinema from other countries being put onto vhs and that’s where many of my favourite movies come from and being scrubbed up for a Blu-Ray or 4K UHD doesn’t benefit all movies. I always said the first 4K film I’d buy would be Close Encounters Of The Third Kind and it was and there was no real difference between that and the Blu-Ray so for me unless it’s a Collectiors set I’m not buying 4K UHD any more
I'm an 80s kid so I was born into VHS and can still appreciate the format having a few hundred. Still using CRT tvs and regular 1080p hd tvs too. 4k when its great its great, but at the end of the day I'd watch most films good picture bad picture doesn't matter. Spending extra for not much of a quality jump is where most people are. Many of the older special effects become obvious or look horrible in HD and 4K.
Every time there's a new disc based format that comes out, I upgrade the hardware and begin buying new titles from that point on in that format - I am not one of those people who go ahead and replace everything in my collection on the new format... just "because." I'm perfectly okay with letting a player upscale the lower resolution discs to the panel. So when Blu-ray came out, I began purchasing films that came out which I wanted from that point onward, not replacing all my DVDs. Now, I DO cherry pick certain titles to replace in a better format from time to time.... whether it's because the DVD or Blu-ray didn't look that great or because the DVD was a pretty old version that was non anamorphic or full screen. On the audio side, I'm set up for 5.1 with in ceiling surrounds, not Atmos, so I don't get caught up in whether the 4K got an Atmos upgrade or not; heck, even 7.1 Master Audio and TrueHD tracks are folded down to 5.1 on our system and sound fantastic. The Denon receiver we're using in the home theater is Atmos enabled, but it's powering our 5.1 setup just fine. In addition to that, a lot of titles I own and watch have stereo or mono tracks, and that obviously doesn't take advantage of Atmos. Further, when Atmos tracks on Blu-rays and 4Ks are played through our system, they fall back to the core Dolby TrueHD mix, and this sounds absolutely fine sans overhead effects (which we're kind of getting because we have the in ceiling surrounds) - same with DTS:X tracks, which are played back in their DTS Master Audio core variants. Interestingly, our newish Denon AVR does decode DTS:X even with the 5.1 arrangement - on our previous receiver, an Onkyo TX-SR605, the unit didn't support Atmos or X, so we always got TrueHD and Master Audio. To the creator of the video: what do you mean when you say you watch Blu-rays on 4K on your 1080p TV? If you have a 1080p display, you'd have to watch Blu-rays that come bundled with 4Ks... even if you have a 4K player, the 4K disc won't be supported by the display. Do you mean the 4Ks are downsampled to match the resolution of your 1080p set?
Yes they are and they look beautiful. I am not sure that all 4k players can do that though. The Panasonic 420 or 820 do that extremely well especially regarding HDR to SDR conversion.
@@Nicolaoua2 Yes, I have the UB9000 and it does have the ability to convert, so to speak, 4K signals with HDR to SDR. It's related to settings under the HDMI tab of the setup menu, specifically Network Service Conversion, or something like that... I never experimented with this because my UB9000 is connected to a 4K TV; was there a reason you never upgraded from 1080?
@@Nicolaoua2 I understand about the budget, totally; Interestingly enough, we had a Sony SXRD rear projection set from around that time that lasted us about as long. We wanted a Bravia LCD but couldn't afford it; the 50" SXRD was in our budget. That TV impressed us so much, I want to get a Sony 4K set to replace our current Samsung edge lit travesty, which has given us nothing but problems.
Thanks for sharing your setup-sounds like you’ve got a solid system that works really well for your needs. I totally get your approach to upgrading; cherry-picking titles for better formats makes a lot of sense, especially with how much some releases can vary in quality. As for my main setup I have A 4k OLED and Marantz AVR 7013 with Bowers and Wilkins Speakers, height Speakers 2 anoive my head and two mounted on the front wall. For my movie room I have a CRTtv and 1080p tv for VHS tapes and DVDs mainly, I do have a 4K player connected to a 1080p TV. While the TV obviously can’t display 4K resolution, the player downscales the image, and it does result in a sharper and cleaner picture with 4k movies compared to a standard Blu-ray, at least in my experience. It’s not the full 4K experience, of course, but I find it’s a noticeable improvement on a 1080p display. Hope that clears things up!
@@chrismann5766 they are similar and 4k players will play Blu-ray Discs and DVDs too, but Blu-ray players can not play 4k discs. 4K UHD discs are specifically designed to store Ultra HD content with a resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels. A standard Blu-ray disc has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, which is Full HD (High Definition).
There are some that I suspect are like that to hide imperfections or heavy film grain. I did recalibrate my tv last year, and while boosting the contrast didn’t fix them all. It gave me an extremely enjoyable experience on most 4ks and didn’t ruin the Blu-ray viewing. Snatch on 4k was still too dark, the Blu-ray and the VHS look better.
4K is, or will soon become, a niche market at best and the fact that certain manufacturers are not going to continue to make 4K players adds another snag to the format if one cannot repair or replace one's 4K player(s) in the not-so-distant future.
I see the point, but I'm still buying VHS in 2025 if it all ends in a few years I'll still have my collection, and there are so many blu-rays and 4ks I don't own. I do have a few back up players just in case. Like many other hobbies when things become outdated or ended by the manufactures people get creative. I may be too optimistic 🤷♂
@@80sMadeConsumer, I'm definitely a believer in maintaining some redundancy, i.e. having a couple of players at least, particularly less commonly found 4K players (that one won't find easily in thrift stores compared to VCRs, DVD players, and Blu-ray players), to be prepared in case other manufacturers other than LG suddenly stop making 4K players.
@@DrakonR, that is my point that some time in the future, Sony and Panasonic could stop making 4K players just as LG has and you can't possibly know their long-term game plan to keep making 4K players or to dump the format entirely, so it pays to have at least one backup 4K player in that event (just as I have several used Blu-ray players and VHS VCRs as built-in redundancy in the event that certain units I have break down or replacements are no longer readily available). :)
a wiseguy would buy the 4k then keep the bluray and sell the 4k w/case. and a 4k with low price point means the digital code is expired. or sell the slip separately as well. wise guy guy.
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What was the one 4k movie you just had to have?
The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
@ very solid pick!
Mission : Impossible. The very first one. My favorite of the series and my favorite Brian De Palma film (Scarface is overrated 😋). The Bluray was always unwatchable because the color saturation was so hot. I never understood why. Then the 4K release came out, and it was a miracle. The first time it looked proper since I saw it in Theaters back in 96.
So far… Fifth Element, Super Mario Bros, Demolition Man and Hero (directors cut).
Man I think the first one I needed was the shinning.
When I'm only occasionally willing to buy a movie on 4K, they have to be epic movies with a sense of scale or horror or sci-fi movies I've always cherished or it's the only way to buy long-out-of-print movies (although I've bought a number of Kino Lorber 4K releases lately, but they included a Blu-ray too, so paying a few more dollars to have the 4K too just made sense).
For example, I don't need 'National Lampoon's Vacation' or 'Uncle Buck', etc. on 4K. That format is just overkill for certain movies that really don't need such a major upgrade. In those cases, the DVD or Blu-ray is good enough, but those are all personal tastes and choices anyway. :)
I'm still yearning for 4KS of 1966's "A Man for All Seasons" and the 1990s "The Road Home" (Zhang Ziyi, directed by Zhang Yimou).
And there are others.
@@jnagarya519, yeah, 'A Man for All Seasons' would be great on 4K. I bought it on DVD for just a few dollars at a local Value Village and I bought the soundtrack many years prior to that on LP record which has most of the dialogue of the movie and the main title and end title score by Georges Delerue.
If you liked Delerue's score for that movie, I highly recommend his score for 'Anne of the Thousand Days' (1969) which is also a fantastic period movie as you probably already know.
Delerue also composed a wonderful score for 'The Day of the Dolphin' starring George C. Scott and I have that movie on a Kino Lorber Blu-ray as well as the score on a pristine used LP and CD. :)
@@TorontoJon I can agree on many of the Blu-ray’s in my collection are just fine with Blu-ray. Watching some of the first Blu-ray’s especially some of the comedies don’t look as good. Just rewatched Hitch & Into the Blue yesterday, and both looked soft and the colors were on the dull side compared to other Blu-ray’s I have.
@@jnagarya519A Man for All Seasons is available on 4K UHD with Dolby Atmos in the recently released Columbia Classics Volume 5 box set
@@80sMadeConsumer, yes, some of those earlier Blu-rays did not live up to their full potential and even some DVD releases were not as bright or polished as their Blu-ray upgrades.
I remember that being a criticism of the first Blu-ray release of 'The Fifth Element' that the transfer had a lot of flaws in terms of the colour timing or other details compared to a later Blu-ray release and an even later 4K release. It all depends, I guess, on the quality of the source material transferred and on the dedication of particular studios to release top notch products.
I just recently upgraded my TV and got a 4k player. I knew nothing about 4k until I got them for Xmas. While I do see a big difference, the colors and the brightness and darkness along with the sharpness of the picture is real. But it's not so important that I need every movie in 4k. I have compared some movies back-to-back and not all are that much better. I found that Bleuray still does the trick for most films.
Yeah I find that some not all the older Blu-ray’s don’t look as good, the biggest jump is from an older film with a good 4k transfer absolutely amazing.
A proper 4K transfer is shockingly better, not necessarily because of the denser pixel structure but because of the capability of HDR and the expanded color pallet tied to it.
More importantly, more and more large size panels are being sold (I'm using a 77 C2), and the capabilities of these sets, imo are far exceeding what we even see in a lot commercial theaters. What 4K physical represents is really apparent on them. .
Bluray is still a great alternative. But it is limited in a proper direct comparison.
Totally agree, the hdr makes all the difference. I've just upgraded after about 20 years to a s90c and q990c sound, and wow ,been missing out
I agree, and I have all my bells and whistles turned off or low. No upscaling no motion smoothing on. Sharpness turned way down etc…. Great 4ks look amazing. The ones that most people say are tye worst aren’t as bad. So settings also play a factor.
Rewatching a lot of the older Blu-ray’s and with out the upscaling they look a bit rough. Most of the newer ones are all around solid, but could be better.
They can put those same transfers on blu ray discs though. I bought the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy on blu ray years ago (remastered in 4k). I re-bought the same movies on 4K discs years later and decided to compare the quality on my 65inch 4K TV and on my 4K projector (110 inch screen). I'd be lying if I said there was a noticeable difference.
If you watch movies in a home theater with a ust projector setup, 4k picture makes a huge quality jump To blu ray
Depends on the Movie.
Some really knock it out of the park
Depends on the tv i guess
No it really doesn't always. Resolution is the least impactful part of the actual difference too.
Eh, I've seen Blu rays that look almost as sharp as 4k on 85". If the picture and sound improvement isn't there, it's not worth it imo. Here's looking at you Se7en and Zodiac.
I have a standard blu ray player and a 1080p led Toshiba. I also have a collection of about 30-40 movies. I think im gonna stick with the Blu ray format for all my movies because theyre cheap, look great and have a consistent shelf appeal lol.
Can’t go wrong with that. If I never upgraded my tv I wouldn’t have ever got into 4k
I sit 10 feet back in my bed on a 75’ tv a dvd upscaled looks great, I don’t always have the best of 4k deals in person here in Vegas but a dvd is 1 or 2 bucks and a bluray is 3 bucks or so used, so it’s better on my wallet to do that then throw 35-45 on a 4k , great video , I enjoyed this 💪🏼
Oh for sure it is get them as cheap as you can! Living in a military town its the same very limited selection, tons of DVDs. I only started buying used movies in 2016 wished I started sooner. Thanks!
Dude thank you for this video. I was going to do one myself but you took the words right out of my mouth. Honestly I think this is an exhausted argument 4k vs Blu-ray.
Great minds right! It’s been hitting me hard lately constant comments with strong opinions of only 4k or only Blu-ray guys. There truly is room for both, and we live in an odd time in home video history. Now the biggest part of the conversation is transfers. When Blu-ray came out no one was talking about the nitpicky details, and if you don’t your aren’t a serious collector. There were plenty of Blu-ray’s that had bad transfers and eventually they got better, no one was arguing DVDs vs Blu-ray.
When streaming reaches Kaleidescape levels of audio/quality then we can have a discussion. Even then, the issue of ownership is still present. Physical media...always.
Even then it is about ownership, having horrible internet zero buffering with discs.
Watched Dracula last weekend and thought the Atmos track on it was done really well.
@@videoproboston2450 It really was!
Old movie restorations benefit the most on 4K … digital formats have changed the game and for these the difference between 1080p and 4K is sometimes negligible. But the difference between DVD and formats mentioned above is much more glaring period.
Some of my favorite looking 4ks are movie like Spartacus and the Trouble with Harry. Proper restorations from movies shot on film with great lighting is something that is breathtaking.
The searchers recent 4k release by WB is exactly what 4k is about, but unfortunately, studios are not willing to put that much effort across the board.
I keep hearing that about The Searchers I’ll have to grab that soon. It really is the problem there is no standard. Quality varies drastically from disc to disc some look too dark others too much film grain added in or DNR. I truly think best of both worlds do all the 4k restoration and put them on Blu-ray’s. I’d rather have a solid Blu-ray than a subpar 4k.
Prices are too high. I buy stuff if I get a good deal.
@@matthewgaudet4064 can’t blame you there, I’m still buying VHS for 50 cents.
I torrent everything 4k Remix geht the exact same as you guys
I've seen hundreds of 4k discs that way
I saved so much money jfc
I'm a home media enthusiast. I have a small home theater with a 110inch screen, 4K projector, and a 5.2.2 audio system and I can barely tell the difference when it's the same transfer/remaster. Unless I'm looking for small details to nitpick (instead of simply enjoying the movie I'm watching,) it's completely negligible. 99% of the time I upgrade for better artwork &/or a steelbook.
Like 100 here! So I just picked up Inland Empire by David Lynch Critertion for $30, I never spend money like that compared to my .50 cent thrfit VHS LOL. But this was necessary I am cleaning out any Lynch I can find in my huntin' grounds. So the Criterion Collection Lost Highway will be my first 4K Purchase, I have no player. They did this with a Blu Ray / 4K combo set to trick me into having to upgrade potentially LOL You are my High end Guy LOL Keep on Huntin'
Nice! sometimes all it takes is that one film to get you. I’m finding more and more 4ks while thrifting for about 2 bucks, you’ll have a whole collection soon haha
You have amazing collection as well
Thank you!
Great Video 🎉... When I first heard about the first 4K releases nearly 10 years ago, there I was expecting:
Citizen Kane, 2001, Gone with the Wind, Enter the Dragon, and what did we get..??
"Pineapple Express"..!!?? 😢😮
Thank you! I was surprised some of the classics took so long to get on the format seeing as they are some of the best sellers to this day. Gone With The wind still has no 4k, and we just very recently got Enter the Dragon & Citizen Kane on 4k. Just baffling 🤯
The only movie i keep multiple copies of is The Burbs. Because its my favorite movie ever. Laserdisc, dvd, og blu ray, arrow uk steelbook br, and Shout Factory blu ray. Shout is best. But i love Laserdisc audio. For others i usually wait for the inevitable 4k sale. Tho i did buy The Searchers day one. Finally gonna watch tonight.
I still have to grab The searchers! You can’t go wrong with The Burbs just and absolute classic. Give me that & Money Pitt and I’ll good for the afternoon.
I just got a big 4k tv. Many of my blurays and DVDs look really good on it. Some 4Ks look fine but not great if they are older movies. I found a bunch of 4K for a good price so I ordered some of my favorite movies just for fun.
Awesome on the upgrade! Unfortunately there isn’t a standard for 4ks some look better than others. I did just make a video about how tv settings could ruin the picture. That helps with many of the 4ks on the worst lists. Some are just early 4ks with bad transfers.
If it's a dialogue heavy film, and the mix is only 5.1 or 7.1 (no Atmos) it's pretty much never worth upgrading unless the Blu-ray had a weak transfer.
If it's an action/horror/sci-fi film though, HDR can make a nice difference, but especially the audio if it has an Atmos or DTS-X mix. The actual resolution bump is the least worthwhile upgrade, and I say this as someone with a 77'' G4 who sits less than seven feet away.
Kill Bill Vol 1 is the perfect example of the UHD being more of a lateral move. It has better highlights (Blu-ray is blown out everywhere), but it has massive grain problems that are not nearly as noticeable on the Blu-ray.
I’m running a 65 OLED at 12 feet away. I’m holding off on the Kill Bill 4ks the Blu-ray’s are good enough. looking forward to Jackie Brown though. Going from a decent 5.1 or 7.1 to Atmos or DTSX on a non action movie can be hit or miss sometimes it can be very subtle. Something to note, but not a selling point.
@@80sMadeConsumer Where you're sitting sounds pretty much standard for most people in a living room, which is actually too far from even a 65'' to notice the actual *full* resolution difference over 1080p.
Not a criticism at all, just mentioning it because 10 - 12 seems pretty much where most people sit in their living rooms from their TVs now.
I'm sitting just under seven feet from a 77'', and yes, if I move back to 12 - 15 feet, the problems are way less noticeable, but then I may as well be watching 1080p too (aside from the HDR benefit). I know what I said about resolution being the least reason to upgrade, but it still kind of matters. 🙂
It is the film though, because there are plenty of "grainy" films that look great where I sit. Jackie Brown being one of them.
Also, Vol 2 is a noticeable improvement over Vol 1. The issues that are on the Vol 1 UHD remain, but are GREATLY diminished to the point where it's not even noticeable outside of the very start during the black and white rehearsal. Overall it is an upgrade to the Blu-ray.
I will get the Kill Bills eventually, I was very happy with Jackie Brown. I mean I guess its average viewing distance, a door way is stopping me from sitting closer. Moving at the end of the year so maybe that won't be an issue any more.
Good video mate 👍🏻
Thanks 👍 glad you enjoyed!!
The dvd upscale is good enough for me. I have been going blu ray but think I’ll revert back to dvd because the hunt at thrift stores is half of the fun for me and dvd is abundant in the thrift stores. 4k sounds cool but I’m done with replacing movies- no more wasting money for me.
I love the physical media that has all 3 formats 4k UHD + Blu-ray + Digital.
My living room has a 1080p TV with 5.1 receiver. In my room I have 4k Tv and speaker. So I have use for all formats especially Digital when am my cousin place and wanna have a movie playing in the background
It’s a nice to have all three especially when some special features are only one of the formats.
Have you made a video where getting the movie in its regular form versus the special features so which one is better.
I think I have in a round about way talking about blu-ray boutique labels or importing movies. Great idea I will have to make a specific versus video thank you.
I really need a sound system
Yeah you do it makes a huge difference, but fine tuning it is a bit of a learning curve. Worth it!
I slowly been building a collection. If the blue ray has the Atmos and is substantially cheaper then its good enough for me. I even buy dvds (50 cents) if its just and old comedy or not flashy because the 4k upscale is pretty damn good.
4k is really dark on my tv, so now i need to upgrade that just to run 4k.
Collecting used is great, I love finding things I had no clue existed. I had that dark 4k problem too, cleared most of that up by adjusting my contrast and Gamma settings. It took me a while to get the sweet spot so the Blu-rays still looked good.
Have you ever double dipped by accident? I have the with anime movie Akira I had the Blu ray already but slipped my mind one day when I went to best buy and got the 4k version
I have many times, I accidentally preordered two A Nightmare on Elm Street deluxe sets. One from France and one from the UK. I’ve gotten several Kino titles during sales only to put them away and it’s already sitting on the shelf.
Something I do as a solution for my thrift store hauls is I take photos of my entire haul after every hunt and closeups of movies, CDs, records, or books, etc. and I keep them all in folders on my computer or on a portable hard-drive with folders organized by year.
That way, I can glance at and keep track of which movies I've already purchased because it's easy to forget what one has previously organized so well on shelves or stored away in boxes, etc. :)
Good video bro
Thanks man
The number of times I hear this. Of course there is minimal difference on a 65” screen, maybe apart from the HDR which most reviewers ignore. To get the maximum benefit you need the right video and audio gear. A lot of people also see 4K streams and jump to wrong conclusion. Blu-ray is a great format and good enough on a lot of set ups but cannot touch 4K when done right
I agree there are plenty of blu-rays that could use a restoration
If you have a screen of at least 60 inches, as long as the transfer remaster is well done, you'll 100% appreciate the upgrade. Now with people getting 80-inch screens and beyond, those old normal blurays are starting to look like DVDs on a 50-incher. I've honestly never noticed a lot of sound differences but then again I've only got a standard soundbar and subwoofer. The issue here is that prices for things like steelbooks, out of print slipcovers, pre-orders for steelbooks before the same damn movie has even made it out of its FIRST weekend in theaters, are all things that make buying physical media unattractive on the whole for everyone. I myself am boycotting steelbooks bc their prices are ludicrously overpriced, shamelessly even. Especially when just a year ago we used to only pay $19.99 - $24.99 for a new steelbook. It's only "niche" and overpriced bc studios have propagandized us to believe so. Best Buy getting rid of its 1 dinky movie shelf does NOT make physical media "niche." Just excuses for them to milk more money out of gullible sheep consumers. Having to jump through hoops for a 4k is uncalled for. You have to be almost LUCKY to get the first Terminator on 4k at a decent reasonable price... And that movie has ONLY BEEN OUT FOR A MONTH!!! Unacceptable. Why can't Wal-Mart just carry it? Why can't I just get a decent conditioned copy with slipcover off Amazon??
I think it depends on tv. I have been projecting Blu-ray because I don’t have 4K projector to 120 inch home theater scream. It looks pretty damn good.
I have a 65-inch L.G. OLED and I can USUALLY tell the difference. I buy 4K Discs every week. My next T.V. will be a 77-inch screen....
It probably depends on the tv and the player, In my experience It felt the same with my 50 inch tv and after I upgraded to the 65, some looked better than others with plenty looking more soft focus or like you said DVDs. On my old 1080p tv Blu-rays looked great. I agree and hate the preorder option. I would stop using it, but too often The ones I really wanted sold out quickly. They should be at a fair price and available for everyone. Overpaying ebay scalpers is the worst.
Watching a blue ray on a large screen 4k TV should be a crime.
I watch VHS movies on a large screen 4K TV and even projected onto a 120 inch screen for some fun and not once have I whined about the images not being sharp enough or the colours not being vibrant enough (and that was with just a new $65 1080p LCD projector too or an older Canon 1080i projector from the late 1990s or early 2000s; not even a super high-end projector), so lock me up. Hahahaha! :)
@TorontoJon LOL I made another comment on this video that said if you watch blue rays on a 4k you might as well watch vhs. You totally do it. Nice. Your logic checks out lol.
That’s the main reason I kept my 1080p and CRT TVs
Sonic film blu-ray has Atmos.....sounds amazing , im more sound person so .if it on discount i get it. Also the cgi remake Ghost in Shell 1080p blu-ray has atmos is really good doubt u see much visible difference compared to 4k.
Sonic really has a great Surround track!
For some movies it sure is but for many i think it is overhyped. The last issue that made me love the 4k was the release of the Searchers. Perfect restoration. But for others it is not necessary... the Bluray will be enough.
I have all the motion smoothing and upscaling turned off. Many older Blu-ray’s don’t look as good, but many of the newer ones look great. I would love for more older movies get The Searchers treatment
Newer high end TVs also upscale to 4k good enough to fool most people.
Very true. I have all that turned off for 4k movies and Blu-ray’s. But I have a custom setting where all the features are turned on, most dvds look ok and some of the Blu-rays look better on that setting.
Well the thing is the 1080P OLDER Movies 🎬 shot with Film 🎥 shows the Grains better than the 4K. I would only buy the 4K for Current Gen movies 🎬
I still do both the recent 4K of Se7en was really great a high recommend. The Blu-ray was never bad imo.
@80sMadeConsumer Sorry I meant to say the Original Blu Ray (1080P)
@@Alex_Manifestation111 ok thanks for clearing that up. Was there a 4k that stood out to you?
I have a 4K tv and player. But I always check the remaster reviews first... the fact that Jaws 3 and 4, Cameron films and now Fincher making bad Ai 2K upscaled to 4K nonsense, I'll be buying less f4Ke UHDs going forward.
Way overblown and exaggerated by video purists. The James Cameron releases are some of the best looking 4ks out there.
@DrakonR 🤡
@@TroyUlysses stop projecting.
@@DrakonR Yes dear
Everyone has different tastes and also tvs and tv settings play a part in how films look. Many people love film grain many people don't its always good to check different reviewers when possible.
Hey, where’s the link you said at the end?
Sorry I’m still working on that video it’ll be out no later than Monday.
@ thanks, just wondered if possibly link didn’t work, enjoy your vids
Thank you and if you haven't seen I did post that video a few days ago.
Bought Phantom Menace in 4k and boy was i disapointed by The picture 😬 audio was good tho and hdr made The colors pop i guess 😅 not worth getting in 4k unless The price is good.
A lot of those new films or ones shot digitally have a very small uptick in quality. Sales or anything older shot in film is usually a good value.
If I can find the Blu-ray for $4 and the 4K cost $30 and above it’s just not worth it. I can probably get 7 Blu-ray’s for price if the 4K. If I see it used or on sale for $10 I might upgrade depending on film. I watched a movie on dvd last night called Bingo Long Traveling All Stars that I checked out from library. I highly enjoyed it. It doesn’t need to be Blu-ray or 4K to be enjoyed. DVD still looks pretty good. To me money is a huge factor. I am not I the $40 a movie business just to see it in HD.
Great film, I imported the Blu-ray from indicator films during their 3 for 30 sale. Price is a huge factor outside my top 100 favorite films. I’m still buying VHS and DVD although I can watch them on the 4k I still have a CRT hooked up in the movie room, for the most part it’s more about the movie than the format.
Streaming movies will not be in 4k, only disc, TV programs has to be live when air if in 4k ?!?!, And and furthermore you can't sell a TV in 4k if the TV industry not going to have any discs because everything is on the disc for quality for these expensive TVs
Streaming is horrible, discs are the best way to go.
4K IMO has gotten out of control. Watched Tombstone earlier today, the packaging is so much better than Blu-ray or 4K. Plus the soundtrack is in 5.1 DTS, in my experience, if you buy a quality television like a sony oled, anything you play with a nice 4K unit will look fantastic, no matter what. We are being taken, dishing out money for this format which I was totally into. But not this year, my eyes are open now.
Blue ray is a blurry mess. Why have a 4k tv if your not gonna watch anything in 4k.
I can see that, having a Sony OLED hooked up to a Panasonic UB9000. I thing the conversation is all over the place because so many people have budget friendly models, or older tvs without HDR or Dolby Vision built in.
UHD is far superior as long as tou have a proper setup and viewing condition..no question
It is with the exception of a few discs, I’ve had a hand full that look way too dark, others look perfect. There are some old Blu-ray’s that looked rough almost like they were dvd transfers on a Blu-ray, but overall the majority looked great on my old HD tv.
I would like to get. Dracula 4K
It’s a good one! Get the steelbook because it has Dolby Vision.
I only buy 4K (steelbooks if I can find them). I will appreciate my choice in the future when I win the lottery and can afford a home cinema with a projector and surround sound 😂
Planning ahead...smart haha
for me is a 10-15 euro difference (almost 40% more)...wish it was 5 euro more 😂
Well that’s rough. I wish it was too especially since I’ve been importing more Blu-ray’s from the UK and Germany. 10-15 more plus VAT tax 🤦♂️
@80sMadeConsumer yeah UK and Germany (with Turbine) are putting out nice releases. I just got myself into a new world of pain with Vinegar Syndrome. They don't have any distributor in mainland Europe so basically I have to import everything directly from them. On top of the high shipping costs there is 21% tax and other customs/administration fees..it's really disheartening to be honest.
Tell me about it, I love Imprint Films out of Australia they put out a ton each month, you get free shipping if you spend X amount of dollars, so to buy 1 or 2 titles isn't worth it especially since the shipping on that would be about the cost of another movie. I can go through Diabolik DVD or one of the other places that handle international blu-rays, but they get a limited amount and I am a creature of habit.
A lower-resolution TV benefits more from higher resolution media, than Higher resolution TV's from lower resolution media. Downscaling is technically Super-Sampling and has major benefits because it has more pixel information to work with so a 4k image on a 1080p will have upto* (Techinally depends on disc size) 4x the information.
Upscaling is essentially Interpolation which is an estimation of what it believes the pixel to be, based on a hardware and software algorithm. This however has no upsides, it's simply refitting a lower resolution image onto a higher resolution screen that has up to* 4x less information to work with per pixel, so the TV or device has to essentially fill in pixels with what it belives to be the best possible answer for that pixel.
And bless your heart if you're watching a DVD on a 4K screen, you would actually be better off watching a DVD on a 1080p screen. This is why and its going to get nerdy.
4K is 3840 x 2160p = 8,294,400 pixels of the screen and 4K disc ( Hardware & Software ) , up to 4x higher than 1080p and up to 24x higher than 480p/DVD!
1080p or 2k is 1920 x 1080p = 2,073,600 pixels on the screen and Blu-Ray disc, up to 4x lower than 2160p/4K and up to 6x higher than 480p/DVD.
480p or 1k is 720 x 1080p = 345,600 pixels on the screen and DVD disc, up to 6x lower than 1080p/Blu-Ray, and up to 24x lower than 2180p or 4K.... 24X!
It's harder for 4k to fill in the Pixel difference because it's having to interpolate more pixels than 1080p.
If a person is forced to upgrade their 1080p TV in 2025 because it broke or whatever reason then that necessarily forces them to upgrade their DVD player and media to at the minimum a Blu-Ray player because all their DVD's are going to look much worse on a 4K screen than a 1080p or 2k screen. That's not considering other benefits like HDR etc.
Just for giggles, God help us if 8K is ever the standard, It's be the same but DVD will be unwatchable on a 8k screen. The information gap would be insurmountable.
I 100% agree. I've always felt the same way about video games (even moreso actually) if the native game resolution exceeds the display resolution then all the jagged edges and artifacts just fade away
8k would be something I'd probably pass on if I could help it. I might buy a new 4k tv or 2 if they start pushing that as the standard, get the most milage I can out of my collection. Some DVDs while not great aren't unwatchable on my 4k tv, I do prefer to watch them on my old CRTs and 1080p tv.
I started collecting blu rays again because they are so often superior to 4k. Just because you can make it brighter doesnt mean you should, and they do that a lot. Or worse, they mess with the color timing or use AI to shit all over the image. Rare cases where the 4k is actually an improvement, mad max 2 the road warrior is a good example in my opinion
I'm still buying VHS and DVD just because of the movie, so for me its about the film and not the format. Watching a good 4k on the big system is great when its great.
I would say that 4K is only for cinema enthusiasts who want the best, but for everyone else who isn't that into it, the Bluray is enough, even the DVD looks very good on my non-OLED 4K TV.
Of course, it's always a question of how you're used to watching films. If you're more used to the old film look, then 4K is obviously not for you.
Since I grew up with VHS myself, I have seen some changes when it comes to home entertainment, but I've now reached the point where I don't want to update anymore and for me the 4K format simply doesn't offer any added value for me to jump on the bandwagon. On top of that, I'm very nostalgic when it comes to my films and DVD is often the better choice when it comes to that old school feeling.
I believe that everyone should collect the format that they feel is right and not what the elite dictates.
100% Agree 🎉
it's the same for Anything in the 'Real World', consumers should only consider/acquire what is 'Appropriate for their purposes'.
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fair enough, I too am still buying VHS and DVD. too mant films never junmped to the newest format at the time. For me I would rather have some of these older films rereleased rather than another copy of some of the more popular titles.
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Think of it: 8-track tapes had a lifespan of 20 years and cassette tapes had a lifespan of 40 years of production (with a bit of a resurgence now). Will 4K as a format have a longer lifespan? It's only been available to consumers since 2012 and manufacturers are already scaling back their production of 4K players, so it might not even exist in 7 or 8 years' time.
Can't argue with that, but last year it was hard for me to get everything that was released that i wanted. That window of time could produce a great library of 4k films.
@@80sMadeConsumer, I certainly hope that 4K and Blu-ray will be around for a long time because like you, I enjoy my physical media library. It always brings a smile to my face that no amount of streaming thumbnails could ever achieve. Haha! :)
same it really is part of the ritual of going to a shelf and picking out a movie, can't beat it!
It’s worth it at $15, unless you really have to have the expensive steelbook.😂 Then price is no object and you need to watch Prometheus again! Tomorrow’s watch Heat in 4K, much better looking than the Blu-ray. Need for Speed is great in 3D! I grew up in Michigan and worked at Ford…so love this movie. Rampage is also great in 3D. Got Annihilation on Blu-ray with Atmos for $5…didn’t go for the 4K.
Very true! I have some big chunky premium editions that I’m afraid to tell my wife I want just because of the price 😂 I’ll get to it someday, maybe I’ll marathon the whole Alien franchise. Annihilation trailer looked stunning, have to get that soon! Heat is amazing enjoy!
I paid $80 for Black Widow in 3D from Japan, the most I have paid for a single movie.
@@garyharper2943 I have a few pricey Japan sets…..no regrets
If it was worth it, we wouldn't have people making videos like this. Most people can't even tell what resolution or frame rate they're watching, let alone if it's in Dolby Vision. People just want good movies.
If you have a decent setup, the comparison is like day and night. It does make a huge difference, even for normies
No arguments there
People who make that argument might as well stick to vhs.
I wish I could watch 4K movies on my TV, but every time I watch a 4K disc, the image looks darker compared to a normal Blu-ray disc.
Lots of tv settings across the different manufacturers amp up the contrast. The key is adjusting the contrast for 4ks to look brighter and not making the Blu-ray’s too bright. After changing that setting only Snatch still had a darker image. If interested I would check out a video of the best looking reference 4k discs to make your adjustments. And then double check with any snow scene.
I honestly don't see 4K having the longevity that DVD still enjoys for the time-being and it won't last as long as Blu-ray has either. Given how 4K is being scaled back by certain manufacturers, we'll never see 8K at any point, not in physical form anyway, so 4K will most likely be the last of the physical media formats.
I don't see it either, my hope is that Blu-ray hangs on for the long haul. Once no one thought we'd see Vinyl back in stores.
@@80sMadeConsumer, I certainly hope that Blu-ray and 4K will last a long time because like you and so many other collectors, I love physical media. :)
The thing about Atmos and DTS:X isn't needed because say you're watching a DVD with standard 5.1, most modern AVRs have such good upmixing that you can select DTS: Neural X, Auro 3D or Multi channel stereo and you will have all of your speakers active. Sure it's not as pinpoint accurate but sometimes I prefer selecting one of the upmixing settings because you get more bass with DTS: Neural X or Multi channel stereo. But if I have a DVD I will upgrade to the 4K UHD blu-ray because they take up less room. But I will wait on reviews and usually will watch My Moonization, HD-Numérique and a few other comparison videos to see if it's worth getting.
Up mixing does not perform nearly as well as native.
@@DrakonR Come to my place and I'll prove you wrong. My 7.3.4 setup along with 20 other subwoofers not including my standalone subwoofers with DTS: Neural X more than 90% of the time craps all over native Dolby Atmos.
@ not how it works, but sure. I'll be right over.
@@DrakonR Well how does it work? Oh ya, you use your ears and hear a crappy Atmos sounds compared to DTS: Neural X. Keep in mind that with DTS: Neural X you don't need height channels, but if you do, it's heaven to the eardrums.
@ still doesn't debunk that native support is better than upmixing. 👍
If you're a hardcore home theatre enthusiast like myself, it's gotta be 4K!
If you are not, Blu-ray is good.
Fair enough, I'm in the best of both worlds still having my old tvs and home theater set ups in another room. If I just had the one main system, I would probably go all in on 4k only.
Let me chime back in. I’ve been spending lots of money on 180gram LPs, upgrading to 4K which is all said and good but you know something it’s not all what it’s cracked up to be people. Demolition Man for one from arrow video. I gotta say the Blu-ray looks so much better than their 4K transfer. These items are nothing but a cash grabs. Save your money buy Blu-ray, DVD and LP’s at a used record store. I’ve been doing this for 50 years.
I still buy plenty of used media and have a great time doing so. The Demolition Man blu-ray was always really good. I did a review when the 4k came out. I liked the 4k but it wasn't a huge difference. My thing was the colors were off. Simon Phoenix had an extremely unnatural skin tone on the 4k compared to the bluray.
In some cases Blu-Ray is too much. The fourth Rambo movie is what i use as my prime example of why. The last kill of the film which see Rambo take out the main bad guy is completely ruined on Blu-Ray because you can’t see the cgi effect and it looks bad.
I was born in 1969,i witnessed the birth of the vhs revolution which was the first time we could basically have the cinema in our own homes and back then eighteen months after it’s release Star Wars was still being shown in the cinema and it was hard to get the big movies and that was made up by the smaller studios and cinema from other countries being put onto vhs and that’s where many of my favourite movies come from and being scrubbed up for a Blu-Ray or 4K UHD doesn’t benefit all movies.
I always said the first 4K film I’d buy would be Close Encounters Of The Third Kind and it was and there was no real difference between that and the Blu-Ray so for me unless it’s a Collectiors set I’m not buying 4K UHD any more
I'm an 80s kid so I was born into VHS and can still appreciate the format having a few hundred. Still using CRT tvs and regular 1080p hd tvs too. 4k when its great its great, but at the end of the day I'd watch most films good picture bad picture doesn't matter. Spending extra for not much of a quality jump is where most people are. Many of the older special effects become obvious or look horrible in HD and 4K.
Every time there's a new disc based format that comes out, I upgrade the hardware and begin buying new titles from that point on in that format - I am not one of those people who go ahead and replace everything in my collection on the new format... just "because." I'm perfectly okay with letting a player upscale the lower resolution discs to the panel.
So when Blu-ray came out, I began purchasing films that came out which I wanted from that point onward, not replacing all my DVDs.
Now, I DO cherry pick certain titles to replace in a better format from time to time.... whether it's because the DVD or Blu-ray didn't look that great or because the DVD was a pretty old version that was non anamorphic or full screen.
On the audio side, I'm set up for 5.1 with in ceiling surrounds, not Atmos, so I don't get caught up in whether the 4K got an Atmos upgrade or not; heck, even 7.1 Master Audio and TrueHD tracks are folded down to 5.1 on our system and sound fantastic. The Denon receiver we're using in the home theater is Atmos enabled, but it's powering our 5.1 setup just fine. In addition to that, a lot of titles I own and watch have stereo or mono tracks, and that obviously doesn't take advantage of Atmos.
Further, when Atmos tracks on Blu-rays and 4Ks are played through our system, they fall back to the core Dolby TrueHD mix, and this sounds absolutely fine sans overhead effects (which we're kind of getting because we have the in ceiling surrounds) - same with DTS:X tracks, which are played back in their DTS Master Audio core variants. Interestingly, our newish Denon AVR does decode DTS:X even with the 5.1 arrangement - on our previous receiver, an Onkyo TX-SR605, the unit didn't support Atmos or X, so we always got TrueHD and Master Audio.
To the creator of the video: what do you mean when you say you watch Blu-rays on 4K on your 1080p TV? If you have a 1080p display, you'd have to watch Blu-rays that come bundled with 4Ks... even if you have a 4K player, the 4K disc won't be supported by the display. Do you mean the 4Ks are downsampled to match the resolution of your 1080p set?
Yes they are and they look beautiful. I am not sure that all 4k players can do that though. The Panasonic 420 or 820 do that extremely well especially regarding HDR to SDR conversion.
@@Nicolaoua2 Yes, I have the UB9000 and it does have the ability to convert, so to speak, 4K signals with HDR to SDR. It's related to settings under the HDMI tab of the setup menu, specifically Network Service Conversion, or something like that...
I never experimented with this because my UB9000 is connected to a 4K TV; was there a reason you never upgraded from 1080?
@ My 14 years old Sony Bravia TV still offers excellent picture quality and I prefer to invest my very limited budget in films rather than hardware.
@@Nicolaoua2 I understand about the budget, totally; Interestingly enough, we had a Sony SXRD rear projection set from around that time that lasted us about as long. We wanted a Bravia LCD but couldn't afford it; the 50" SXRD was in our budget.
That TV impressed us so much, I want to get a Sony 4K set to replace our current Samsung edge lit travesty, which has given us nothing but problems.
Thanks for sharing your setup-sounds like you’ve got a solid system that works really well for your needs. I totally get your approach to upgrading; cherry-picking titles for better formats makes a lot of sense, especially with how much some releases can vary in quality.
As for my main setup I have A 4k OLED and Marantz AVR 7013 with Bowers and Wilkins Speakers, height Speakers 2 anoive my head and two mounted on the front wall. For my movie room I have a CRTtv and 1080p tv for VHS tapes and DVDs mainly, I do have a 4K player connected to a 1080p TV. While the TV obviously can’t display 4K resolution, the player downscales the image, and it does result in a sharper and cleaner picture with 4k movies compared to a standard Blu-ray, at least in my experience. It’s not the full 4K experience, of course, but I find it’s a noticeable improvement on a 1080p display. Hope that clears things up!
I thought 4ķ disc's were Blu-ray.
@@chrismann5766 they are similar and 4k players will play Blu-ray Discs and DVDs too, but Blu-ray players can not play 4k discs.
4K UHD discs are specifically designed to store Ultra HD content with a resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels.
A standard Blu-ray disc has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, which is Full HD (High Definition).
4K's always look darker to me
There are some that I suspect are like that to hide imperfections or heavy film grain. I did recalibrate my tv last year, and while boosting the contrast didn’t fix them all. It gave me an extremely enjoyable experience on most 4ks and didn’t ruin the Blu-ray viewing. Snatch on 4k was still too dark, the Blu-ray and the VHS look better.
Some 4k players include a tone mapping feature that allows you to set how clear or dark the picture of the movie will be.
Is that silly beard and stupid backwards hat worth it in 2025? NO!! 😆
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4k is a scam
my grandfather said that about DVDs
@80sMadeConsumer I'm sorry he felt that way.
my new samsung 1080p tv and 1080p blu-rays are better...
Sure max resolution will look great
4K is, or will soon become, a niche market at best and the fact that certain manufacturers are not going to continue to make 4K players adds another snag to the format if one cannot repair or replace one's 4K player(s) in the not-so-distant future.
Losing LG was fine. Nobody recommended the players anyways. You would only have a point if Sony and Panasonic leave.
I see the point, but I'm still buying VHS in 2025 if it all ends in a few years I'll still have my collection, and there are so many blu-rays and 4ks I don't own. I do have a few back up players just in case. Like many other hobbies when things become outdated or ended by the manufactures people get creative. I may be too optimistic 🤷♂
@@80sMadeConsumer, I'm definitely a believer in maintaining some redundancy, i.e. having a couple of players at least, particularly less commonly found 4K players (that one won't find easily in thrift stores compared to VCRs, DVD players, and Blu-ray players), to be prepared in case other manufacturers other than LG suddenly stop making 4K players.
@@DrakonR, that is my point that some time in the future, Sony and Panasonic could stop making 4K players just as LG has and you can't possibly know their long-term game plan to keep making 4K players or to dump the format entirely, so it pays to have at least one backup 4K player in that event (just as I have several used Blu-ray players and VHS VCRs as built-in redundancy in the event that certain units I have break down or replacements are no longer readily available). :)
@@TorontoJon you can literally perform these mental gymnastics with every product on the market.
a wiseguy would buy the 4k then keep the bluray and sell the 4k w/case. and a 4k with low price point means the digital code is expired. or sell the slip separately as well. wise guy guy.
People do, it’s just not for me
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