If they would have said I'm a metallurgist and followed up with a statement I would be more inclined to listen. I have dealt with pipe manufacturers and only ran across one trained, certified metallurgist. He was incredibly knowledgeable and worth listening to
Correct! This is why Ford and others are warranting their Super Duty wheels as road salt sits in the counterbore where the metal valve stem. The reaction from the catalyst facilitated the corrosion. Your stainless pin is juuuust fine in that aluminum bore. God forbid we have steel lug nuts hold on our aluminum wheels.
The world we live in I see how these idiots do their job on a daily basis “GO BLESS THEM” It’s a damn shame you have to waste your time explaining this
I hate to see you go on a rant, and appear to lump all engineers into one; some engineers graduated at the top of their class, and some graduated at the bottom. I know nothing about the engineer that set you off, but I know a lot of great engineers. For the engineer that set you off, if he or she is worried about galvonic corrosion, he or she can simply apply a product like Lanocote Corrosion Inhibitor to the aluminum surface area to resolve the concern. I agree with you that this issue is really a non-issue. You received my order for your steering spindle kit first thing this morning, so I stand with you in your design of this product. There are a lot of good examples of aluminum and stainless steel assemblies listed below by others that have offered their comment.
Any engineer insulted by my post is probably the guy I'm talking about. If you read the replies in on this video, you will find that almost all people in all industries have had the same experience I have had with engineers. You have to imagine in my line of work, they confront me frequently with their superior knowledge.
WELL Mr GOOGLE GAGETIT those were to two questions I was going to ask you . 1. Why not use a non conducting grease. 2. Aren't the wheel and yoke roller bearings , SS, and the keepers and the races also SS? And aren't they (races) in direct (pressed in)...therefore there is in fact lots of SS in direct contact with the Alum. frame and wheels and I am sure other parts of the wing and always has been. So I have to agree with what you are saying, once again !!!! Thanks for explaining that to those who don't know what they are talking about to folks who will believe anything they are told...Ya done good once again....Oh by the way I am not an engineer either I just play one on the internet (NOT) just someone who uses common since.. just my .2 worth.. Turtle
HAHA! Thanks! For the record, your bearings are hardened steel, not stainless steel. Definitely different. But yes, a high pressure interface for sure, and corrosion free.
We had a saying at work, "At some point in product development, it is necessary to shoot the engineers and start production." They will refine a design over and over, making tweeks that do not add to function. Innovations would be out of date before they could get implemented. Once functioinality and safety are assured, its time to move on.
Just because they say " I'm an engineer" doesn't make them one. I could say " I'm a Doctor" and tell people things about medicine. But even if they have a degree in engineering doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. I am a mechanic and know other mechanics who don't know what they are talking about.
I'm not worried. I just ordered one from Max last week to install on my 2018 Goldwing. Great video... Update: Safety Pin installed after work today in the Garage. A very simple install indeed. Thanks Max...
Agree. When I see an advert for a bike with engineer seller I always 'walk away'. I have also diagnosed mechanical problems that 'mechanic/s' have wholly misjudged. My favourite, on a Bedford TK lorry years ago, was a friend being advised to change the gearbox. He didn't trust mechanic so asked for my opinion. On inspection with operator questioned on symptoms, was mainly noise, I located the problem. Exhaust manifold retaining nut/s had worked loose causing different noises at different revs. New gearbox??!! Torque up a few stud bolts to manufacturers specs. Nuff said. Have loved this channel for a long while now, although only recently posting!, All the best, Etienne.
HI Max! Let me tell you, i'm NO Engineer! Great Video again (like always). Keep on going....... If you like, could you make one about Alarm Systems? It's a really expensive bike and i think everybody think about Alarm Systems, that it is not been stolen or somebody playing around with the buttons of your bike. But there are a view Systems and i would like to know, how they work with the canbus..... Thank you !
Hello Jurgen! To my knowledge, most alarm systems stand alone electrically, and would not be integrated with the CANBUS. The best many to ask for this is Lewis at Electrical Connection. He is the all-knowing electrical guru!
I will be by to get one soon Max. '18 wing with full Traxxion suspension and lovin every minute of it. Oh and I am a submariner... ROFLOL.. and I do know a lot about submerged metals and galvanic corrosion... I have personally witnessed it in heat exchangers. Max is 100% correct, there will be no measurable corrosion caused due to galvanic corrosion.
I do power line work (20 years worth) and we BOND aluminum with a steel core to Copper with an aluminum compression connection then send voltage thru it not couting the AMPS. The only failure I seen is someone not doing the compression sleeve right so I believe the pen should be good.
Max is one funny dude! I am an engineer and my wife completely agrees with Max. I always think I know everything even when I don't! Good thing I can laugh at myself and Max helps me to do that. Good job Max as usual! Since I love your expertise and videos you can put me in my place anytime and I will not be offended.
Hi Merv, Engineers set me straight plenty of times too. I think posts like this let us know who takes himself/herself too seriously. If you're an engineer and you can't understand what I'm saying, I suppose that's your sign that you are probably one of the ones that's a problem! HAHAHA!!! Like a country person watching He-Haw, and saying "I don't git it".
Just out curiosity why not make the safety pin out of solid piece of aluminum? Is one way or the other cheaper? You had a hell of a time trying to break Honda's hollow aluminum spindle. I can only imagine how hard it would be to break a solid aluminum safety pin. Aluminum on aluminum = no corrosion.
Stainless steel on aluminum = no corrosion.... unless you can create certain circumstances, none of which exist on the Goldwing... thus the point of this video. Unfortunately, I forgot to talk about aluminum corroding all by itself, when in contact with nothing at all. That's why anodizing is required. We used stainless so that it would be the strongest, most rust corrosion resistant material. So to be clear, your Goldwing is rotting and corroding away right now, all by itself. Ever seen one fall apart from corrosion? The rate at which it is corroding would take centuries. So don't worry about any of this. It's safe. Unless you drive under the surface of the ocean. Then I would recommend some waterproof grease on the pin.
Max et al., As a devout Traxxioneer, I AM AN ENGINEER, but I actually am an engineer. However, I started life as a machinist and was boring engine blocks and running Bridgeports and lathes at age nine in my Dad’s machine shop. I went through tech school and a New York State apprenticeship program (where I was making $4.25 an hour doing calculations for “machinists” with 40 years experience. At age 60, I have two Master’s degrees and a doctorate and have designed everything from split labyrinth seals made of K-monel for nuclear submarines to compound multi-angle, compound radii antenna mounts made of AL64V titanium for the Space Shuttle with tolerances of 0.00005 to 0.000008 inch. You have to have a three coordinate measuring machine with a ruby tip just to inspect such things: isolated inspection room at least 80 feet deep, etc. I have also been a source engineer for contract machine shops who have the equipment and the inspection equipment, but not the personnel to do the complex math and setups to machine the parts. Now, I have a brother in-law who has to be the smartest guy in the room at all times. When I met him 25 years ago, we did the normal handshakes and the “so, what do you do?” stuff. He said, “I’m a chemist!” The truth is, he was a janitor in a chemical plant and scrubbed the huge vats after so many runs. Even though he knows that I know, he still continues to hijack all conversations to come off as the smartest guy in the room. My point is, real engineers don’t normally write or say “I’m an engineer” to try to prove something online. Although, my daughter helped me create my handle. So, this video made me chuckle because I know you weren’t talking to me😂
I'm not an "ENGINEER" however I have been Iikened to an "ENGINEER" because I fabricate things using a lathe, mill and welders. However stainless Steel is by virtue of its name unlikely to corrode or cause any significant corrosive effect, due to its chrome contents, there are different stainless steel grades, but generally 304 is the most used because its the easier one to turn and weld, however I still can't beleive if someone is an college educated "ENGINEER " they would jump on this, if they knew their onions! I admire your work Max, and even though I'm classed as an "ENGINEER " I have the intelligence to listen and take on board anything that you say, because I'm not of the attitude I know it all. " The mind is like a parachute, it's no good unless its open" I wish that was a saying I made up, but its a good sentiment to live by. Thank you Max.
@@Traxxion My wife sometimes calls me a bodger because I recycle stuff, I just think its my way of doing my bit for the environment. Stay well Max your a star.
I used many sources, compared and cross referenced to validate. If I handed all of the sources out, how would that allow others to do their own research? :) I'll tell you one of my sources was peronsally putting stainless and aluminum together for decades and never witnessing them destroy each other. If you use this search: galvanic corrosion aluminum and stainless steel You will find a lot of information from fastener companies.... bonding (grounding) stainless and aluminum together... which we're not doing in this application, but is still informative. The British Stainless Steel Association had a lot of good info.
Max... Great explanation and well thought out. One comment though, why be so insulting of all engineers? I am an engineer and received my degree and have been working in y field for many years. Engineers create and design lots of useful things including Goldwing and life saving medical equipment. Seems to me like you have big chip on your shoulder, which is a shame because you are a smart guy. Why not just shoot down the bad argument, instead of being so insulting?
Try this (in Jeff Foxworthy style): If you are an engineer, and your experience with "engineers" is not the same mine, then you might be an "engineer". The fact that you haven't written a dossier on why I'm wrong leads me to believe you are an engineer, and not an "engineer". !!!
I forgot to mention, and wish I had... aluminum corrodes in the presence of water all by itself.... but how much time is required? Well, I've never seen a motorcycle rot in half!
You need to have a dealer inspect it properly for sure. Sounds like the tie rod is worn too. We have an upgrade for the right tie rod that lasts the life of the bike.
So the "steel" race that is pressed into the "aluminum" frame so the "steel" bearings have a surface to ride on, all the galvanic corrosion has resulted in the necessary replacement of how many motorcycle frames? It's sad that stupid people are able to pay for a piece of paper that suggests that they're smart.
That actually is a bonded union... a press fit. But the "Engineers" will tell you that the race is hardened steel, not stainless steel, so that's not "it".
yup after posting and reflecting It dawned on me that bearings are not SS but in fact hardened steel. At least you knew that lolololo keep up the great work and new products for the wing and other products...
That must be why almost every motorcycle shock spring is made of steel and most of the shock thread/collars/cups/perches are made of aluminum...so they will explode!!!!!! Stainless steel social distancing!
Hi Max, I'm a retired unmentionable. The number of University A-holes I have had to put down during my working life is embarrassing, most have never touched a tool even in University, in the UK master technicians do the machining for them on their projects & they stand there trying to tell me my Job. In the good old day you could give them a commonsense slap, now you'd be jailed now. Thanks for the great videos and keep up the good work.
Just a brief funny story. Years ago when I worked as an Electrical Helper, we were on a job site with engineers from Sweden who were employed by ASEA Brown Boveri (ABB, as it was know at that time). Their engineering staff asked our engineering staff how much time they spent in the field, working on and servicing equipment before they became engineers. Our staff replied none, they just did 4 to 5 years of college and they became engineers. The ABB staff spent at least 5 years in the field before they were even considered to be hired as engineers!
LOL 😆. My brother and best friend are both engineers. You are dead on! Had a few comments on my channel regarding the same fears.
You are surrounded by infinite wisdom!!! :)
If they would have said I'm a metallurgist and followed up with a statement I would be more inclined to listen. I have dealt with pipe manufacturers and only ran across one trained, certified metallurgist. He was incredibly knowledgeable and worth listening to
Correct! This is why Ford and others are warranting their Super Duty wheels as road salt sits in the counterbore where the metal valve stem. The reaction from the catalyst facilitated the corrosion. Your stainless pin is juuuust fine in that aluminum bore. God forbid we have steel lug nuts hold on our aluminum wheels.
The world we live in I see how these idiots do their job on a daily basis “GO BLESS THEM” It’s a damn shame you have to waste your time explaining this
I hate to see you go on a rant, and appear to lump all engineers into one; some engineers graduated at the top of their class, and some graduated at the bottom. I know nothing about the engineer that set you off, but I know a lot of great engineers. For the engineer that set you off, if he or she is worried about galvonic corrosion, he or she can simply apply a product like Lanocote Corrosion Inhibitor to the aluminum surface area to resolve the concern. I agree with you that this issue is really a non-issue. You received my order for your steering spindle kit first thing this morning, so I stand with you in your design of this product. There are a lot of good examples of aluminum and stainless steel assemblies listed below by others that have offered their comment.
Any engineer insulted by my post is probably the guy I'm talking about. If you read the replies in on this video, you will find that almost all people in all industries have had the same experience I have had with engineers. You have to imagine in my line of work, they confront me frequently with their superior knowledge.
LOL That's just like the saying > I am from the government and I am here to help.
HA!
WELL Mr GOOGLE GAGETIT those were to two questions I was going to ask you . 1. Why not use a non conducting grease. 2. Aren't the wheel and yoke roller bearings , SS, and the keepers and the races also SS? And aren't they (races) in direct (pressed in)...therefore there is in fact lots of SS in direct contact with the Alum. frame and wheels and I am sure other parts of the wing and always has been. So I have to agree with what you are saying, once again !!!! Thanks for explaining that to those who don't know what they are talking about to folks who will believe anything they are told...Ya done good once again....Oh by the way I am not an engineer either I just play one on the internet (NOT) just someone who uses common since.. just my .2 worth.. Turtle
HAHA! Thanks! For the record, your bearings are hardened steel, not stainless steel. Definitely different. But yes, a high pressure interface for sure, and corrosion free.
We had a saying at work, "At some point in product development, it is necessary to shoot the engineers and start production." They will refine a design over and over, making tweeks that do not add to function. Innovations would be out of date before they could get implemented. Once functioinality and safety are assured, its time to move on.
That is funny!
Keep up the good work Max. The small pin surrounded by all that aluminum will be just fine.
Keep a breeze passing over it, and I think it will last a few years.
I’m a machinist, machinists exist because engineers need hero’s too. Lol. Great information, very informative. Keep up the awesome vids.
You are SO correct.
I'm not an Engineer, but I play one on TV.....
Just because they say " I'm an engineer" doesn't make them one. I could say " I'm a Doctor" and tell people things about medicine. But even if they have a degree in engineering doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. I am a mechanic and know other mechanics who don't know what they are talking about.
I'm not worried. I just ordered one from Max last week to install on my 2018 Goldwing. Great video... Update: Safety Pin installed after work today in the Garage. A very simple install indeed. Thanks Max...
Max you’re great! - I’m retired and know everything about old people
There's a few to contend with in the Wing World!
Im a civil engineer so my words are true.
When you put Metallic painted plastic on a metal bike it will rust..🤪
Max, let the barking dogs bark! You know your job better. I am ordering mine by this week.
Gotta love engineers! and from my experience, architects too! :D
Agree. When I see an advert for a bike with engineer seller I always 'walk away'.
I have also diagnosed mechanical problems that 'mechanic/s' have wholly misjudged.
My favourite, on a Bedford TK lorry years ago, was a friend being advised to change the gearbox. He didn't trust mechanic so asked for my opinion. On inspection with operator questioned on symptoms, was mainly noise, I located the problem. Exhaust manifold retaining nut/s had worked loose causing different noises at different revs.
New gearbox??!! Torque up a few stud bolts to manufacturers specs. Nuff said.
Have loved this channel for a long while now, although only recently posting!,
All the best,
Etienne.
I need to do more work!
I think they have some GALVANIC CORROSION BETWEEN THEIR EARS. BUY YOURSELF SOME NEW JEANS. 🚗.MINI
I don't have time to shop... I did get one pair for Christmas!
HI Max! Let me tell you, i'm NO Engineer! Great Video again (like always). Keep on going.......
If you like, could you make one about Alarm Systems? It's a really expensive bike and i think everybody think about Alarm Systems, that it is not been stolen or somebody playing around with the buttons of your bike. But there are a view Systems and i would like to know, how they work with the canbus..... Thank you !
Hello Jurgen! To my knowledge, most alarm systems stand alone electrically, and would not be integrated with the CANBUS. The best many to ask for this is Lewis at Electrical Connection. He is the all-knowing electrical guru!
Already purchased and installed mine! As an extra precaution, I'm glad I have it for the passenger's sake. Thanks Max.
I will be by to get one soon Max. '18 wing with full Traxxion suspension and lovin every minute of it. Oh and I am a submariner... ROFLOL.. and I do know a lot about submerged metals and galvanic corrosion... I have personally witnessed it in heat exchangers. Max is 100% correct, there will be no measurable corrosion caused due to galvanic corrosion.
Submariners... a special kind of insane!
I do power line work (20 years worth) and we BOND aluminum with a steel core to Copper with an aluminum compression connection then send voltage thru it not couting the AMPS. The only failure I seen is someone not doing the compression sleeve right so I believe the pen should be good.
We'll check back in 100 years for an update to see how they held up!
Max is one funny dude! I am an engineer and my wife completely agrees with Max. I always think I know everything even when I don't! Good thing I can laugh at myself and Max helps me to do that. Good job Max as usual! Since I love your expertise and videos you can put me in my place anytime and I will not be offended.
Hi Merv, Engineers set me straight plenty of times too. I think posts like this let us know who takes himself/herself too seriously. If you're an engineer and you can't understand what I'm saying, I suppose that's your sign that you are probably one of the ones that's a problem! HAHAHA!!! Like a country person watching He-Haw, and saying "I don't git it".
Just out curiosity why not make the safety pin out of solid piece of aluminum? Is one way or the other cheaper? You had a hell of a time trying to break Honda's hollow aluminum spindle. I can only imagine how hard it would be to break a solid aluminum safety pin. Aluminum on aluminum = no corrosion.
Stainless steel on aluminum = no corrosion.... unless you can create certain circumstances, none of which exist on the Goldwing... thus the point of this video. Unfortunately, I forgot to talk about aluminum corroding all by itself, when in contact with nothing at all. That's why anodizing is required. We used stainless so that it would be the strongest, most rust corrosion resistant material. So to be clear, your Goldwing is rotting and corroding away right now, all by itself. Ever seen one fall apart from corrosion? The rate at which it is corroding would take centuries. So don't worry about any of this. It's safe. Unless you drive under the surface of the ocean. Then I would recommend some waterproof grease on the pin.
I was worried, for a minute there, about the steel bolts holding my aluminum engine cases together.
HAHA! They aren't stainless steel.... the engineers will correct you.
Max et al., As a devout Traxxioneer, I AM AN ENGINEER, but I actually am an engineer. However, I started life as a machinist and was boring engine blocks and running Bridgeports and lathes at age nine in my Dad’s machine shop. I went through tech school and a New York State apprenticeship program (where I was making $4.25 an hour doing calculations for “machinists” with 40 years experience. At age 60, I have two Master’s degrees and a doctorate and have designed everything from split labyrinth seals made of K-monel for nuclear submarines to compound multi-angle, compound radii antenna mounts made of AL64V titanium for the Space Shuttle with tolerances of 0.00005 to 0.000008 inch. You have to have a three coordinate measuring machine with a ruby tip just to inspect such things: isolated inspection room at least 80 feet deep, etc. I have also been a source engineer for contract machine shops who have the equipment and the inspection equipment, but not the personnel to do the complex math and setups to machine the parts. Now, I have a brother in-law who has to be the smartest guy in the room at all times. When I met him 25 years ago, we did the normal handshakes and the “so, what do you do?” stuff. He said, “I’m a chemist!” The truth is, he was a janitor in a chemical plant and scrubbed the huge vats after so many runs. Even though he knows that I know, he still continues to hijack all conversations to come off as the smartest guy in the room. My point is, real engineers don’t normally write or say “I’m an engineer” to try to prove something online. Although, my daughter helped me create my handle. So, this video made me chuckle because I know you weren’t talking to me😂
As long as you don't try and convice me the flux capacitor is out of sync with the choder valve, we should get along fine!
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics 👍🏻
Engineers designed the Goldwing.
So they are capable of doing some good things, I can't deny.
I'm not an "ENGINEER" however I have been Iikened to an "ENGINEER" because I fabricate things using a lathe, mill and welders. However stainless Steel is by virtue of its name unlikely to corrode or cause any significant corrosive effect, due to its chrome contents, there are different stainless steel grades, but generally 304 is the most used because its the easier one to turn and weld, however I still can't beleive if someone is an college educated "ENGINEER " they would jump on this, if they knew their onions!
I admire your work Max, and even though I'm classed as an "ENGINEER " I have the intelligence to listen and take on board anything that you say, because I'm not of the attitude I know it all.
" The mind is like a parachute, it's no good unless its open"
I wish that was a saying I made up, but its a good sentiment to live by.
Thank you Max.
Theoretically making things, and ACTUALLY making things are what separates you from the Engineers!
@@Traxxion My wife sometimes calls me a bodger because I recycle stuff, I just think its my way of doing my bit for the environment.
Stay well Max your a star.
I'm wondering if you can cite the references you are using in this video. Would be interesting to allow others to do their own research.
I used many sources, compared and cross referenced to validate. If I handed all of the sources out, how would that allow others to do their own research? :)
I'll tell you one of my sources was peronsally putting stainless and aluminum together for decades and never witnessing them destroy each other.
If you use this search: galvanic corrosion aluminum and stainless steel
You will find a lot of information from fastener companies.... bonding (grounding) stainless and aluminum together... which we're not doing in this application, but is still informative.
The British Stainless Steel Association had a lot of good info.
Don't let them push your buttons Max!
I have more important things to be doing than this!
@ShaneDorange SDSS Tuning haha!!!
Max... Great explanation and well thought out. One comment though, why be so insulting of all engineers? I am an engineer and received my degree and have been working in y field for many years. Engineers create and design lots of useful things including Goldwing and life saving medical equipment. Seems to me like you have big chip on your shoulder, which is a shame because you are a smart guy. Why not just shoot down the bad argument, instead of being so insulting?
Try this (in Jeff Foxworthy style): If you are an engineer, and your experience with "engineers" is not the same mine, then you might be an "engineer". The fact that you haven't written a dossier on why I'm wrong leads me to believe you are an engineer, and not an "engineer". !!!
PS... stereotypes exist for a reason. They don't originate from one or two guys acting a certain way. :)
i kan cpel engineer, therefore i ar wun!!
Sorry you don't need a pin..:-) too funny.
Isn't the factory nut on the spindle made of steel? I guess the only ones who should be worried are the people driving their Goldwings to Hawaii.
Not STAINLESS steel... as long as you don't ride it on the bottom of the ocean from CA to HI you should be fine.
I work with Engineers everyday ! Smh Some times I just can’t understand how they got they’re diploma. Stupid is is what stupid does. Or says !
Could have used timescale also, how many years to get near a failure point. Keep good stuff coming.
I forgot to mention, and wish I had... aluminum corrodes in the presence of water all by itself.... but how much time is required? Well, I've never seen a motorcycle rot in half!
Do you ever ride that Goldwing?
Which one?
I never had a doubt, Haters Hate for the sake of Hating.
What’s dangerous is what Honda did. My GW fell over and the handelbar hit the ground and now my handelbar is damaged and it has play to it.
You need to have a dealer inspect it properly for sure. Sounds like the tie rod is worn too. We have an upgrade for the right tie rod that lasts the life of the bike.
@@Traxxion it’s already at the dealer. When it fell it kept going and hit the side curb. The engine took the impact 😭
@@09Mrsubaru bummer...
So the "steel" race that is pressed into the "aluminum" frame so the "steel" bearings have a surface to ride on, all the galvanic corrosion has resulted in the necessary replacement of how many motorcycle frames? It's sad that stupid people are able to pay for a piece of paper that suggests that they're smart.
That actually is a bonded union... a press fit. But the "Engineers" will tell you that the race is hardened steel, not stainless steel, so that's not "it".
LOL! Love it!
yup after posting and reflecting It dawned on me that bearings are not SS but in fact hardened steel. At least you knew that lolololo keep up the great work and new products for the wing and other products...
If I put my Engineering hat on for Halloween, you'll see just how smart I really am! Hahaha!
i believe in you mission wholehartedly but you need to develop a little thicker skin !
You'd be shocked at what I have to put up with... every once in a while, you just have to straighten people out! :)
yo estoy esperando el mio y deseando montarlo en mi goldwing...
"I'm an engineer!" Good, go drive your train and leave me alone.
I updated the thumbnail for this video, thanks for reminding me!
That must be why almost every motorcycle shock spring is made of steel and most of the shock thread/collars/cups/perches are made of aluminum...so they will explode!!!!!! Stainless steel social distancing!
p.s. I'm a Funeral Director...and I know what kills people!
Hi Max, I'm a retired unmentionable. The number of University A-holes I have had to put down during my working life is embarrassing, most have never touched a tool even in University, in the UK master technicians do the machining for them on their projects & they stand there trying to tell me my Job. In the good old day you could give them a commonsense slap, now you'd be jailed now. Thanks for the great videos and keep up the good work.
If only it were possib le!!! HAHA!!! Thanks.
"retired unmentionable" hahahahaha!
Just a brief funny story. Years ago when I worked as an Electrical Helper, we were on a job site with engineers from Sweden who were employed by ASEA Brown Boveri (ABB, as it was know at that time). Their engineering staff asked our engineering staff how much time they spent in the field, working on and servicing equipment before they became engineers. Our staff replied none, they just did 4 to 5 years of college and they became engineers. The ABB staff spent at least 5 years in the field before they were even considered to be hired as engineers!
@@johnanderson9735 Applied experience is highly over-rated these days...