Coments on the datasheets: Missed that Morven get's devs on the sweep profile now! Astrid and thurga is indeed interesting now, with the ability changed to give dev wounds on ranged weapons as well. Dev wound melta on a faction that can auto 6's? Did we learn nothing from initial Eldar ? Novitiates are not the same! They got infiltrate and one of the wargears generate miracle dice on 4+ on an objective! I think they will see more play. exorsist lost heavy on it's big indirect but gains an AP. A welcome change, maybe they can drive around a bit to shoot directly instead of hiding behind a wall all game. D6+2 AP 4 rockets will be wild in the detacement that gets the +1 ap strat.
The thing with Exorcists is that they are an "all-in" option in my opinion. Because they are expensive and powerful but can be highly subject to variable performance due to their primary weapons having variable attacks and no blast. So I think if you take any you take three and build your army around them planning on Exorcists doing most of the heavy lifting. Bringers of Flame gives them the most without extra investment adding assault and potentially +1S (even though you may not want to use it much), but really I can see using any detachment except the penitent host if you're going this direction. Army of faith can potentially help Exorcists a lot of you're willing to put a 5 model jump squad back there you can use the ignore modifiers strategem in a 3" aura around the jump unit. Possible but restrictive and also depends on things outside your control, like terrain to keep them all safe.
Something a lot of people seem to miss about sanctified immolation, the self detonate strat from hallowed martyrs, is that with mortifiers and penitents its basically +1 to hit for all units within 6" as the single mortal wound will trigger blood of martyrs on all your castigators, repentia, and exorcists hiding behind walls while your mortifiers sit on objectives.
Bringers of flame- Serpahim unit with jump pack cannones, that will b 10 hand flammers on avrage 35 hits and with the enhancement for extra hits with torrents weapons it will be 45 hits. So just thinking about retributors in codex that is full of shooty units feels a bit limited.
Aestrid Thurgia giving dev wounds to ranged weapons now is probably the most massive thing. 2 units of retributors in immolators hopping out and blowing up at str 10, then one more jumping out of a rhino with str 10 and dev wounds? NASTY. That detachment is absolutely cracked with some of the new data sheets.
Rightous rage can make for a surprisingly killy Canoness with jump pack for "the shooting detacement." Use the Once per battle +3 attacks and sacrifice 3 miracle dice for a whooping 11, str 8, 2dmg. dev wounds attacks || or 9, S9 sustained1 and dev with the evicerator! If she wasn't only 3 wounds id be tempted to run her solo.
Hitting on 4s with indirect, but still, it might become a problem. Especially with the combos to get extra AP from a strategem or by shooting something with a castigator first
It might be just me but it feels like the exorcist is better geared as a direct fire unit now. Ap2 wasn't enough to commit your tank to shoot something you wouldn't kill. With cover, ap reduction everywhere may as well be ap0. Having native ap3 with many ways to improve it and hitting on 3s or 2s depending on detachments actually encourages direct fire. I don't like indirect at all personally and I get where you're coming from. I just feel like it's more of a buff for direct than indirect
@@danielhughes3758 and then in that one detachment you ignore modifiers, and remove cover from the target and give +1 ap with a castgator, meaning you still hit on 3's with full ap:yes. :)
So, I like Penitent Host, but there's a bit of a gotcha with the Detachment ability not being optional. There is no 'can pick' at the beginning of the battle round. It's angry Mont'ka from Tau.
The thing is with the Retributor re-roll on wounds is that it's just a straight upgrade from what it was before. They always re-rolled 1s to wound and still do, just now they get full re-rolls when the stars align. Can't complain about buffs even if they're slight.
I know this was a first look but there are tons of combos that Adrien didn't see. Example, Tanks are setting up all other shooting including their own.
A full unit of Seraphim with hand flamers and a Fire and Fury hand flamer Canoness spits out 9d6+5 torrent shots a turn, which averages out to just over 36 hits, right? EDIT: Actually it's 9d6+9, as a commentor below clarified. So that's just over 40 Dev Wound rolls on average.
You can do this again but with only 9d6 this time but still with dev wounds by copy and pasting the previous combo. If no overwatch is used, that’s now 18d6+9. Bye bye big scary primarch or annoying knight.
@@itsreecespuffs3994 Right, because the Jump Canoness can reuse the Dev Wounds strat. So that's 72 Dev Wound rolls? Which is pretty bad news for anything without a FNP
No idea yet. Given you can take minimum 5 and up to 10 and how they've generally done it in the past you'll pay some cost (currently unknown) for 5 and double that cost for 6-10.
when you say stuff like "battleschock on castigator was fantastic" and you are sad about this rule, I dont understand what game you are playing and I can't take your opinions serious. This isn't even low key one of the best units in the entire codex now, and EVERYTHING in here is amazing. giving your Mortys and PE's +1 AP, giving another castigator +1ap for potentially S11 -2 3 ignore cover withn 12" when a immolator shot the target, can literally kill any datasheet in the game easily. not to mention how easily they tear through just reuglar guys, terminators or other heavy infantry. they can literally do it all. and then you have your advancing paragons who can reach -5ap through this, auto killing any 2+ save tank without an invuln with S10 +1 to hit +1 to wound
I guess I'm just a minority, and that's ok with me, but i would have loved to see the penitent stuff go. The engines, mortifiers, priests, etc just don't fit the flavor for me. More of a templar vibe to me. Your mileage may vary.
10th rules are so much poorer than 9th, I'm sorry but it's so true. There is no flavour in the new books and smacks of absolute laziness from GW. Great review though, working with the tools you have and all that!
Coments on the datasheets:
Missed that Morven get's devs on the sweep profile now!
Astrid and thurga is indeed interesting now, with the ability changed to give dev wounds on ranged weapons as well. Dev wound melta on a faction that can auto 6's? Did we learn nothing from initial Eldar ?
Novitiates are not the same! They got infiltrate and one of the wargears generate miracle dice on 4+ on an objective! I think they will see more play.
exorsist lost heavy on it's big indirect but gains an AP. A welcome change, maybe they can drive around a bit to shoot directly instead of hiding behind a wall all game. D6+2 AP 4 rockets will be wild in the detacement that gets the +1 ap strat.
Depends on points, but I think the Castigator's new +1 AP for your army rule will supersede the Exorcist.
Lots of big upgrades!
The thing with Exorcists is that they are an "all-in" option in my opinion. Because they are expensive and powerful but can be highly subject to variable performance due to their primary weapons having variable attacks and no blast. So I think if you take any you take three and build your army around them planning on Exorcists doing most of the heavy lifting. Bringers of Flame gives them the most without extra investment adding assault and potentially +1S (even though you may not want to use it much), but really I can see using any detachment except the penitent host if you're going this direction.
Army of faith can potentially help Exorcists a lot of you're willing to put a 5 model jump squad back there you can use the ignore modifiers strategem in a 3" aura around the jump unit. Possible but restrictive and also depends on things outside your control, like terrain to keep them all safe.
Something a lot of people seem to miss about sanctified immolation, the self detonate strat from hallowed martyrs, is that with mortifiers and penitents its basically +1 to hit for all units within 6" as the single mortal wound will trigger blood of martyrs on all your castigators, repentia, and exorcists hiding behind walls while your mortifiers sit on objectives.
Bringers of flame- Serpahim unit with jump pack cannones, that will b 10 hand flammers on avrage 35 hits and with the enhancement for extra hits with torrents weapons it will be 45 hits. So just thinking about retributors in codex that is full of shooty units feels a bit limited.
Aestrid Thurgia giving dev wounds to ranged weapons now is probably the most massive thing. 2 units of retributors in immolators hopping out and blowing up at str 10, then one more jumping out of a rhino with str 10 and dev wounds? NASTY. That detachment is absolutely cracked with some of the new data sheets.
Very spicy!
Rightous rage can make for a surprisingly killy Canoness with jump pack for "the shooting detacement." Use the Once per battle +3 attacks and sacrifice 3 miracle dice for a whooping 11, str 8, 2dmg. dev wounds attacks || or 9, S9 sustained1 and dev with the evicerator!
If she wasn't only 3 wounds id be tempted to run her solo.
Exorcist now ap3 and twice as likely to make stuff explode. Buffing indirect is always fair and never becomes a problem in 40K.
Hitting on 4s with indirect, but still, it might become a problem. Especially with the combos to get extra AP from a strategem or by shooting something with a castigator first
It might be just me but it feels like the exorcist is better geared as a direct fire unit now. Ap2 wasn't enough to commit your tank to shoot something you wouldn't kill. With cover, ap reduction everywhere may as well be ap0. Having native ap3 with many ways to improve it and hitting on 3s or 2s depending on detachments actually encourages direct fire.
I don't like indirect at all personally and I get where you're coming from. I just feel like it's more of a buff for direct than indirect
@@danielhughes3758 and then in that one detachment you ignore modifiers, and remove cover from the target and give +1 ap with a castgator, meaning you still hit on 3's with full ap:yes. :)
That is a freaking sweet nightcrawler shirt man!
Gonna play my sisters like i run my raven guards now. This is gonna be fun! Would have been nice to see another unit go battleline though.
So, I like Penitent Host, but there's a bit of a gotcha with the Detachment ability not being optional. There is no 'can pick' at the beginning of the battle round. It's angry Mont'ka from Tau.
The thing is with the Retributor re-roll on wounds is that it's just a straight upgrade from what it was before.
They always re-rolled 1s to wound and still do, just now they get full re-rolls when the stars align. Can't complain about buffs even if they're slight.
Losing the full reroll wounds when getting out of the Immolator is a huge debuff though.
This makes me want to play Tankline Sisters with advance and shoot S11 weapons with AP:yes.
Awesome codex, happy for all the sisters players
I know this was a first look but there are tons of combos that Adrien didn't see. Example, Tanks are setting up all other shooting including their own.
Retributors just want retribution
Vengeance!
A full unit of Seraphim with hand flamers and a Fire and Fury hand flamer Canoness spits out 9d6+5 torrent shots a turn, which averages out to just over 36 hits, right?
EDIT: Actually it's 9d6+9, as a commentor below clarified. So that's just over 40 Dev Wound rolls on average.
9d6+9 as it’s per flamer, not per model.
@@itsreecespuffs3994 So forty Dev Wound rolls on average, then. That is what top scientists classify as a "yikes"
You can do this again but with only 9d6 this time but still with dev wounds by copy and pasting the previous combo. If no overwatch is used, that’s now 18d6+9. Bye bye big scary primarch or annoying knight.
@@itsreecespuffs3994 Right, because the Jump Canoness can reuse the Dev Wounds strat. So that's 72 Dev Wound rolls? Which is pretty bad news for anything without a FNP
What is the newest Codex (Army out) ?
You guys should wait to record these until you've read them. Love you but you miss a ton of exciting changes
Summarize them heeeerrre
Nice. My Heavy Bolter Retributor Squad can get their guns up to AP -4 ❤
So cool!
No you can’t. Or other : how would that work ?
Thanks for the very great Review 👍
Unit sizes? I assume we are stuck with the *as sold* unit compositions. No more 5 lady repentia or 3 flagellants squads anymore.
Yes, you can still run 5-10 repentia and still 3-10 flagellants.
@@Eldanari will you be paying the same points though? Or will it be reduced for the minimum sizes like the index.
No idea yet. Given you can take minimum 5 and up to 10 and how they've generally done it in the past you'll pay some cost (currently unknown) for 5 and double that cost for 6-10.
Thanks for the bump!
Points will have to wait until launch since the printed ones are never accurate sadly
when you say stuff like "battleschock on castigator was fantastic" and you are sad about this rule, I dont understand what game you are playing and I can't take your opinions serious.
This isn't even low key one of the best units in the entire codex now, and EVERYTHING in here is amazing. giving your Mortys and PE's +1 AP, giving another castigator +1ap for potentially S11 -2 3 ignore cover withn 12" when a immolator shot the target, can literally kill any datasheet in the game easily.
not to mention how easily they tear through just reuglar guys, terminators or other heavy infantry. they can literally do it all.
and then you have your advancing paragons who can reach -5ap through this, auto killing any 2+ save tank without an invuln with S10 +1 to hit +1 to wound
Can you please include a full look-through of the Crusade rules during your review?
It’s a recording
@@leeksveeks4572 this interaction is a nice summary of Tabletop Titans fans
Thanks! This is what we want to hear :)
@@TabletopTitans, the camera didn't focus well on a couple of the pages. Any chance of getting a better look of the Crusade pages? Thank you!
I hate that the priority is to get a review out first or as quickly as possible instead of doing it well.
These comments are saltier than my opponents about to face Army of Faith.
I guess I'm just a minority, and that's ok with me, but i would have loved to see the penitent stuff go. The engines, mortifiers, priests, etc just don't fit the flavor for me. More of a templar vibe to me. Your mileage may vary.
Too soft
10th rules are so much poorer than 9th, I'm sorry but it's so true. There is no flavour in the new books and smacks of absolute laziness from GW. Great review though, working with the tools you have and all that!
Thanks Richard!