Tube Tests Show Ep.26 "Telefunken U47, FLEA 47 and Vintage U47"

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  • Опубликовано: 5 июн 2012
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  • @nogoogleplus
    @nogoogleplus 6 лет назад +33

    Tele USA 00:46
    Flea 01:45
    Vintage 02:56

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад +1

    Thanks again. The good thing is that I am meeting guys all the time that are working hard to bring great quality to the microphone market. Like this guy in Orange county who is building his own capsules and was showing me the art of capsule building. It is very cool process to see. -johnny

  • @thirdroompro
    @thirdroompro 8 лет назад +10

    Flea bridges the gap. The vintage 47 has a bigger Low mid thats for sure than the others. Made the new U47 seem a bit small. Flea is hard to beat. Makes you wonder how much brighter the Orig U47 would be when it was brand new.

  • @cgoobes
    @cgoobes 11 лет назад +5

    Actually like the new telefunken with his voice best. Sounds super smooth.

  • @pythgoreansassistant2789
    @pythgoreansassistant2789 5 лет назад +3

    I'd take the FLEA in a heartbeat

  • @monkeyxx
    @monkeyxx 10 лет назад +1

    man I just love the old real one. glad those things still exist.

  • @3str
    @3str 12 лет назад

    Thanks for doing this, great test!

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    Thanks for the support. -johnny

  • @experiment0003
    @experiment0003 8 лет назад +9

    Of course in this demo, the vintage (which I'm guessing is a Neumann) sounds best, but I also notice that the actual performance on the vintage one was the best (would have been better to have only one performance with all three mics set up). With that being said, for a fraction of the cost, FLEA is a no-brainer... especially in today's music where everything is over processed. I don't think the end-consumer would even tell the subtle differences.

  • @esotericaudiophile3884
    @esotericaudiophile3884 6 лет назад

    This really helps! I have a new mic invention and need to see the differences between expensive mics. Seems that with my invention, I can transform a "less expensive mic" into something even better sounding than the most expensive mic here. I can change the freq response naturally, even with no preamp. ONLY MY OPINION! Thanks for these comparisons, I appreciate it!

  • @ashleylewis3001
    @ashleylewis3001 10 лет назад +1

    Thanks for taking the time to do this review guys.
    Regarding the comment about the Telefunken cable connecting to the power supply feeling a little poor in quality - Is it possible Telefunken were going for an exact reproduction in "every" way possible. My original 1951 U47 VF14M longbody has the same "grit" feel when connecting to the original NG power supply and I have always had to be careful not to force the thread. There are various theories relating to material choice at the time of production. I'm sure Neumann would choose a higher quality Alloy if he was making the mic cable connector today. If Telefunken were to take it upon themselves to improve the specs on this relatively minor detail, what else could they adjust for improvement and where would they draw the line? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. Just thought I'd shed some light on the topic. Cheers!

  • @monkeyxx
    @monkeyxx 7 лет назад

    On this day, I really like the Flea as a modern alternative. Glad they are making new ones that good in 2016. Glad this video is still out there. By the way, do take a look at the very, very educational Vintage King 47 shootout that just came out.

  • @ikennafunken9306
    @ikennafunken9306 8 лет назад +6

    damn actually the real one by a long shot lol

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  11 лет назад +2

    Hey Paul. I think you are correct about the Vox-O-Rama it is definitely one of the best made mics out there. As far as the Brauner VMA I will be doing a show on it coming up probably episode 33. I hope to come to Germany next year!!!
    Cheers,
    Johnny

  • @richlodato106
    @richlodato106 Месяц назад

    Interesting, the new tele sounded the most sibilant. The Flea and the short body sounded really close. I truly preferred the Flea. Wow. That surprised me. Thank you!

  • @I-LOG
    @I-LOG 6 лет назад +5

    The vintage sounded best to me, but the modern telefunken was very close, it just had a little more high end

  • @JimCaputoMusic
    @JimCaputoMusic 2 года назад +1

    I'm very late in writing this 'thank you' post. About 6-7 years ago my vocal mic was a Blue Kiwi which I ran into a Demeter VTMP-3c pre. It worked well for me. The Kiwi is a solid mic and the Demeter makes any FET mic punch above its weight. Despite the fact that it sounded good, I wanted to see if I could get to the next level. I embarked on a research mission that had me reading and watching an absolutely ridiculous number of mic reviews over the course of a year. I finally decided that I wanted something with a 47 flavor. Problem was, there's a thousand mics with a 47 flavor. At some point I came across this video. The Telefunken or a vintage 47 were out of reach ...or at least they were priced high enough that it was a hole into which I was unwilling to put myself. But that didn't matter because of the three mics, it was the Flea that I really loved. Flea hadn't been on my radar and I was curious so I looked up the price. I think it was around $3800 at the time. Vintage 47s were going for $14K+ and the Tele was around 8 or 9K at the time. At $3800, the Flea seemed like a bargain ...but it would still be the most I've ever spent on a microphone and it took me a long time to pull the trigger. I'm not lying when I say that over the course of about a year, I watched this video hundreds of times. It took that long to talk myself into spending that kind of money on a microphone. In the end, I finally did the deed and I've never regretted it. The Flea 47 was the right mic for me and I haven't been on the hunt for another vocal mic in the five years since I bought it. Hearing the Flea up against the vintage 47 in this video is what did it. Yeah, it took watching the video a few hundred times but if not for this video, I'd likely have made a mistake and bought a different mic. You cost me $3800 but I'm not complaining. So thanks.

  • @paulboanton8749
    @paulboanton8749 6 лет назад

    The vintage mic sounded best to my ears. What preamp was used? I'm sure that by changing the preamp and with a little eq, the FLEA and Tele could sound very close to the original for a fraction of the cost. But, I understand that nothing sounds like a original one in proper working order.
    Great shootout!!

  • @JSGilbert
    @JSGilbert 9 лет назад +3

    Critical listening on Beyerdynamic 880 headphones and Dynaudio speakers and while there are slight differences among the 3, one might expect that when purchasing 3 different Neumann U47's back in the 1960's. There's always going to be slight differences which show up in the polar pattern. Also, the humidity of your studio, temperature, etc. is all going to have some effect on the sound.
    In critical listening situations with original vintage microphones (U87/ U47) vs $1,000+ clones, in professional studios, I have found that neither musicians, directors or audio engineers were capable of picking out the vintage and/or most expensive microphones with any type of consistency.
    Any of these microphones will work in any number of situations, but I would also say that a Telefunken AK47, which features a completely different tube also has an incredible "Neumanesque" vintage sound for less than $2,000. In a couple of shootouts, it ran neck and neck with a vintage U87 microphone and was preferred over the new Neumann U87 microphone.
    There are a great number of exceptional microphone choices that won't break the bank, including some simple mods by Mike Joly, Peluso, Dave Pearlman and Telefunken.
    In some cases, simple changes using a NOS tube or a different power supply can make a world of difference. I use a NOS Seimens tube in my AK47 and a NOS Mullard tube in a copperhead Telefunken microphone. They both sound very much like a vintage Neumann microphone.
    I also have an Oktava 319 that was modded by Michael Joly and it surprisingly sounds a lot like a vintage Neumann U87. (But it has much better room rejection)

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    Hey Brian Thanks for the comment!!! Are there any mics you want to hear in an upcoming show?? Always looking for suggestions.

  • @farr64
    @farr64 10 лет назад +8

    What a great voice..

  • @SomeLittleShoe
    @SomeLittleShoe 11 лет назад

    i feel like a little kid at Christmas time looking through the store window at the toys that are way to expensive for him to ever get, but he wants to just look at them for a long time anyway. The most I would stretch myself for a mic is a Neumann TLM 102. And it is a beauty. But it's nice to hear these mics and dream.

  • @ygung
    @ygung 9 лет назад

    what preamp is the telefunken u47 going in to ?

  • @DynamixWarePro
    @DynamixWarePro 10 лет назад

    I liked liked the Flea and really liked the original a lot and it seems smoother than the Flea which is a bit more modern sounding than the original, awesome mic.

  • @nvguitarguy
    @nvguitarguy 12 лет назад

    Great to hear these dream mics but I'd like to hear some of the lesser mics like the stellar. How about letting us hear more instrumentals as well? I enjoyed hearing the nylon string guitar in one of the episodes. Thanks for posting!

  • @BlueBanjoGrass
    @BlueBanjoGrass 7 лет назад

    Telefunken U47 best of all!

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    ya it's nice if you can grab and afford a vintage 47 but it's nice to know that there are other options. I will try to get ep.27 on the JZ V11 out faster this time and we have already filmed most of ep.28 on "Cathedral Pipes Microphones" Thanks for the comment -johnny

  • @LanceisLawson
    @LanceisLawson 8 лет назад +6

    The vintage U47 was the sweetest smoothest fullest of the the lot. I liked the Telefunken reissue but din't like the Flea. If I want a sizzling "modern" sound I'll use a MXL-V67G.

    • @joeboonmusic4004
      @joeboonmusic4004 4 года назад

      @Darren Francis Agreed... Think this guy might've been watching a different video to the rest of us.

  • @the_newvoice
    @the_newvoice 3 года назад

    I like the first one. More body and smooth. Second has a bit rough, but in the mix may be nice. Third is something in between, but much noticable lows.

  • @sheilasmith8844
    @sheilasmith8844 10 лет назад

    I would also like to know which tube was used in the Flea. I am getting confused by the different options! I really loved the sound of the Flea (like the U47 best duh!) but the Flea is much more within my budget. Can you find out which capsule and tube combination were used on that mic?

    • @luigimaeshiro9995
      @luigimaeshiro9995 8 лет назад

      Flea 47 standart usually ships with EF12 tube and their own F7 M7 capsule mylar.

  • @nogoogleplus
    @nogoogleplus 6 лет назад

    So did you expert judges in the comments listen with ear buds or laptop speakers? :)

  • @richscellphones
    @richscellphones Год назад

    The vintage sounds the best !

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    Ya I will be getting a Brauner in a week to check out and the Horch RM would be cool to feature. Thanks!!! -johnny

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  11 лет назад

    I would agree. The problem always is the Mbox even though is an inexpensive focusrite is very neutral. If I reach for my favorite Telefunken V76 it will be so colored that people will be blown away by the pre rather than hearing the mic for what it is. Do you have a suggestion on a neutral pre? -johnny

  • @sartoriusrock
    @sartoriusrock 7 лет назад

    Preamp used?

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    Good point. Thanks for saying that. Currently I am finishing up episode 27 " JZ Vintage 11" microphone for $699. It should be a great show and I will record more instruments like acoustic guitar. -johnny

  • @phfatband
    @phfatband 7 лет назад

    Funny Question. Did Johnny have a christmas cover placed in the 2003 movie "Bad Santa?" I could swear I recognised his voice in the soundtrack singing "Happiest time of the year"

    • @samknaak
      @samknaak 7 лет назад +1

      Johnny does live sound for tv shows. ha.. buddy of mine

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    The DIY Royer 47 is a great microphone on it's own. When comparing it to a FLEA 47 it lack in the bottom end. My wife Natalie's opinion was that the Royer DIY was too sterile for her vocal but did sound good. I would agree with that. It does sound fantastic on instruments like an acoustic guitar, piano or uke. Vocals are great depending on what type of music and who the singer is. I do favor it to tube mics in the $1800. and below price range -johnny

  • @ozotel
    @ozotel 11 лет назад

    Thanks for this test. My favorite is Flea U47. Original U47 hasn't got inherent "U47"-ish presence.

  • @huss03
    @huss03 8 лет назад +12

    Flea biggest sounding and most detailed. Vintage sounded great in a vintage way. New Tele my least favourite.

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  11 лет назад +2

    Ya how can you beat the vintage U47. My friend just built a U47 with all vintage parts and it killed his vintage U47 but then again it was an original K47, original VF14 and different output transformer. The body was a kit U47 we never figured if it was a FLEA or pre-FLEA era....It sounded fantastic...maybe we will have to do an ultimate 47 show for episode 47!!!
    -johnny

  • @ArcticBulletNation
    @ArcticBulletNation 9 лет назад

    Can you test a Neumann u47 Fet?

  • @sartoriusrock
    @sartoriusrock 7 лет назад +1

    Oddly, I noticed that the FLEA 47 picked up more of the spittle and saliva sounds than any of the others. Maybe they were just louder that take, but they seemed to be considerably more present....

  • @ryanadkins3076
    @ryanadkins3076 9 лет назад

    Great shootout. Next time try some compression on the dialog mics though...lol

  • @markgabbidon7787
    @markgabbidon7787 12 лет назад

    Hi - You made a DIY dave royer version of the U47. How does this compare to the Flea 47 in your opinion. Does it sound as good or close to the Flea 47.

  • @frusciante370
    @frusciante370 11 лет назад +1

    Let me say you guys are great doing these shootouts. Nice voice too,
    Too me the vintage U47 sounds the best warm, natural and effortless followed but the Tele USA U47 which is close but falls a bit short of the smoothness of the original. The FLEA honestly sounds like a caricature of what a U47 should sound like and has a bit of raggedness to it. It's a pleasing mic but the least natural with a very distinctive sonic signature.

  • @chuckschillingvideos
    @chuckschillingvideos 11 лет назад

    The vintage U47 is clearly the superior mike in this test.

  • @officialchelectro
    @officialchelectro 11 лет назад

    Hey. Nice Test. What do you think about the Brauner VMA or VMX. I really prefer those Mike´s and please test the Vox-O-Rama Grossner U47...You will never hear such a good U47 (it is like an original U47 from the 50´s but new:) Best Regards and keep on singin´--Paul from Germany!!!

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    I would agree my wife loves hers and now uses it as a bench mark when I make her sing on other mics. It is hard to get a better sounding modern mic.
    -johnny

  • @frusciante370
    @frusciante370 11 лет назад

    BTW, Forsell and GML and Millennia, make great neutral sounding pres that would do these mics justice.

  • @brain96969
    @brain96969 12 лет назад

    I heard Horch RM and Brauner VMA tube mics were real good and they are also cheaper than U47

  • @jellelieshout2783
    @jellelieshout2783 10 лет назад

    That Flea will get very close when you use a Thiersch M7 and an original BV8 transformer. Especially the BV8 makes that well known U47 sound.

    • @luigimaeshiro9995
      @luigimaeshiro9995 8 лет назад

      i already have the Thiersch M7 blue line PVC, sounds brighter in my Flea 47 but sounds wonderfull with full silky details

  • @ozotel
    @ozotel 11 лет назад

    Yeah, caps are not the same. But I t'm talking about 5-7 kHZ area. Paper caps affects most of all on 10-16kHZ area

  • @CalebKBaker
    @CalebKBaker 10 лет назад

    The inherent huge bottom of the original U47 is important. If you put up a U47 against a one trick pony mic like the $300(street) M-Audio Sputnik, the untrained ear would prefer the Sputnik's pre-eq'd sound. Great microphones, in general, have a somewhat unflattering, yet dynamically rich character to them. With a little EQ, great microphones outclass the competition.

    • @SamVahedi
      @SamVahedi 10 лет назад

      The vast majority of fans and consumers have "untrained ears"

  • @TubeTestsShow
    @TubeTestsShow  12 лет назад

    Absolutely what do you want to hear? -johnny

  • @ferabra8939
    @ferabra8939 8 лет назад +11

    The Telefunken sounded best to me. The Flea sounded a tad aggresive and the vintage a tad to muddy.

  • @tobe2056
    @tobe2056 4 года назад

    Original had a different capsule than the others. So not quite apples to apples. Anyways made you sound like Bing Crosby. And I'm listening on ATC and Dynaudios. In fairness pple were right, you were also singing a bit off axis looking at the music off to the side.

  • @WizardsMachine
    @WizardsMachine 6 лет назад

    (Qualifying this comment with the fact that I have worked many times with real u47s as well as every other mic that is beloved.) Wow, It almost sounds like your engineer "inherently flawed glass" pal is naming the wrong mics! The redux Telefunken had a modern sound? Too much top end? Not even close. It had the most damped of the top ends and hardly has a modern sound. In fact it was my least favorite of the three. I thought it was a nice mic, but actually sounded like it had tissue paper over it in comparison to the other two. The Flea had the most top end and sounded terrific. Engineer 'inherently flawed' thought it lacked bottom?Not even. The original had just a bit less top end, big bottom and sounded... well like the original. Hey Johnny, how about a review of the GA-47 and the WA-47? Would look forward to that. Thanks for your videos.

  • @nicolassuarez7938
    @nicolassuarez7938 6 лет назад

    telefunken wow wow wow, better than original

  • @HMJohnsonGuitar
    @HMJohnsonGuitar 11 лет назад

    I really don't trust my ears because I've played in bands for forty five years, but to me the vintage U47 sounded best. It sounds like it's a part of his voice. It sounds like it would need to be up front in a mix for that old sound though.

  • @supiriabeats2433
    @supiriabeats2433 8 лет назад

    I'll use any mic in the studio. I'd rather a Vintage U47 for the low end.

  • @skylisszthecolossus
    @skylisszthecolossus 4 года назад

    I wish it was the FLEA u47 or 48 NEXT.

  • @Oportunidades369
    @Oportunidades369 12 лет назад

    I sent the guy (Johnny)some sound samples of my cm 47 asking him to let me know his thoughts about the mic but Inever got a reply.
    so I m still waiting...
    why you didnt reply anymore Johnny?

  • @Phewson60
    @Phewson60 11 лет назад

    RME mic pres are pretty neutral.

  • @virgogreg
    @virgogreg 8 лет назад

    the U47 had less sizzle but . big .Xfactor you clearly cant replicate in the previous mics

  • @ptubeyall
    @ptubeyall 11 лет назад +1

    try singing into the capsule dude

  • @earldingman3201
    @earldingman3201 8 лет назад +1

    On the Vintage U47 I heard music bleed through the headphones. I didn't hear that on the other two. That's how sensitive the U47 is.

  • @timpadrick9669
    @timpadrick9669 8 лет назад +2

    I did not like the Flea as compared to the others. There was a strange harmonic in it.

  • @hueykhalidX
    @hueykhalidX 10 лет назад +3

    Sounds good, but definitely not $4-$10,000 good that's for sure.

    • @Buttsac
      @Buttsac 9 лет назад

      Turn_off_TV honestly. its crazy whats it made of dinosaur bones?

    • @the80386
      @the80386 9 лет назад

      Turn_off_TV agree. Once past the 500 dollar range, difference start to narrow. Past the 1000 dollar range it's very little.

    • @hueykhalidX
      @hueykhalidX 9 лет назад +1

      zeebazu True. People hate to admit that with many things you're paying a premium for the name/brand. A white t-shirt made by Nike is no different than a white t-shirt made by Hanes.

  • @wizardlywonder1336
    @wizardlywonder1336 17 часов назад

    No comparison. The vintage slays. Listen to the ugly sibilance on the Flea. THat's one thing, but that fabulous midrange in the vintage is not even present in either the Telefunken not the FLea. V14 baby. No replacement so far. But hey, Neumann peeps... I'm pulling for you to come up with a reissue. :)

  • @petemarx1129
    @petemarx1129 7 лет назад +1

    Without Wagner U47 shootout is not complete IMHO.

  • @eduardkukulsky962
    @eduardkukulsky962 9 лет назад +1

    In blind test they would know not be able to say which mic is which. I know from long years experience.

  • @jameswallace5967
    @jameswallace5967 7 лет назад +1

    I didn't like the original U47 as much as the new one. It sounded a little muddy.

    • @lonca25088
      @lonca25088 7 лет назад +2

      that is because of capsule that has +/- 30 yars of function . because the gold plated plastic film in capsule loses function and in my opinion old 47s are just for collection not for use if u dont have original spare parts . sry for my bad english

  • @Buzzrocketmedia
    @Buzzrocketmedia 2 года назад

    Telefunken U47 (Reissue) = ruclips.net/video/BVhJupnT5Uw/видео.html
    Flea 47 = ruclips.net/video/BVhJupnT5Uw/видео.html
    Vintage T-Funk U47 = ruclips.net/video/BVhJupnT5Uw/видео.html
    .

  • @zaperfan
    @zaperfan 4 года назад

    Flea47 is the winner

  • @EandVEntertainment
    @EandVEntertainment 4 года назад

    I just posted an in depth look at the FleA 47 & 49 on my channel. If your looking for more samples check it out.

  • @jameswallace5967
    @jameswallace5967 7 лет назад

    I liked the FLEA best then the new Telefunken u 47, and lastly, the original u47. Maybe old mics don't always age well.

  • @anatol1204
    @anatol1204 7 лет назад

    telefunken is more close to original but the mids are not as fat

  • @revelationsoundstudio
    @revelationsoundstudio 8 лет назад +2

    Flea has too much sss, Telefunken sounded better

  • @e3befree
    @e3befree 3 года назад

    Vintage Tele sounds best...no competition. New tele sounds muddy. Flea is too sensitive, doesn’t roll off in the highs

  • @anatol1204
    @anatol1204 12 лет назад

    the old wins..clearly more fat..smooth the new after it smooth but not so fat..and flea more metalic..

  • @maldonadocorrea
    @maldonadocorrea 4 года назад

    Neumann u47

  • @Oportunidades369
    @Oportunidades369 12 лет назад

    selling mine
    check ebay.

  • @brain96969
    @brain96969 12 лет назад

    No.1) Telefunken U47
    No.2) FLEA 47
    No.3) Vintage U47

  • @robliguori
    @robliguori 4 года назад +1

    Tele USA 00:46
    Flea 01:45
    Vintage 02:56