Only if they are not being provided with adequate space and/or enrichment and things to keep them entertained or challenged. Proper medical care is necessary as well.
It is only if its cruel (improper care, used for fighting, abused, neglected, bred to just sell en masse) to the animal. Or if the animal is from an endangered species.
"In general, living life without parasites inside of you is better than living life with parasites inside you." This is the content I came here for lol
@@WickensWickedReptiles this sounds like an argument for wild caught animals though. Take them out the wild so they don't get parasites. The question of morality comes more from is it better to breed these animals into captivity at all, or just not to breed them. I dont think anyone thinks it's a good idea to release all captive animals.
Idk, man, one of my 2nd cousins had a tape worm as a kid for Lord only knows how long. It was discovered when the cuz took a couple sips of kerosene; cuz was never the brightest bulb. Prior to expelling the tape worm, dude could and did eat everything in sight without gaining any weight. He didn't change those habits for quite some time after the parasite was out and packed on the pounds like crazy. He still says he wishes he still had that tapeworm....obviously he doesnt understand they're a lot more than a weight loss tool and can cause real damage...but still.
Whoever says "What about Snake Discovery?" For the argument for keeping alligators HAS NOT watched the videos about Rex's story. Emily says UP FRONT that she does NOT support keeping crocodilians as pets. They themselves didn't want a pet alligator. But they saw the horrid conditions she was being kept in and knew that even though they didn't ever plan on having a pet alligator, they were still a better option for that particular alligator to live a better life. Heck! She went from a 4-5 foot box that she lived in for like 20+ years, to a whole room that Ed and Emily converted into a gator enclosure. AND NOW is about to get an even better enclosure at their reptile zoo! So, yeah. Anyone using Snake Discovery as an excuse to keep alligators hasn't actually watched Snake Discovery because they REPEATEDLY say that they DO NOT condone keeping them as pets, at all.
@@tides1506 It is. She was raised in a 4 ft box her whole life with improper heating and lighting, which stunted her growth, and it was so small that whenever she tried to turn around her face would bump on the sides. That paired with no UVB and improper diet gave her rubber jaw and it deformed her jaw. She lived like that for like 25 yrs.
Honestly Snake Discovery is an amazing example of WHY people should not keep Alligators. If rex was kept properly she wouldn't have the issues she does now that have made her so small and special needs.
Sometimes i look at my spoiled leopard gecko all splooted out sleeping halfway out of his cave like he's the comfiest guy in the world and I'm like man he would never survive in the wild😌❤
Wait, you mean you don't look at how comfy he is and think I want to be that gecko? That's how I care for any animal. If I magically trade places, would I have optimal care. Your gecko is living a best life. ❤
@@jdandkikisExotics those dumb so called "animal rights activists" don't understand that some animals are invading species. Examples like Burmese pythons, snapping turtle, tegus, and other predator animals Even if we release them in wild, it will make things even worse
I work in a vet office as a kennel attendant. We work with dog and cat rescues I've seen SO MANY feral and stray cats in dogs with ringworm, giardia, kennel cough, worms, parvo, feline leukemia, canine distemper, FIV, etc... So whenever someone starts waxing poetic about "THE FREEDOM AND BEAUTY AND HAPPINESS OF THE WILD" I start cracking up. The wild is NASTY y'all.
Interesting comment since it points out the human negligence factor that created all those feral strays. Lack of responsible care. Those cats and dogs came from domestic sources. Spay neuter, or some form of altering to prevent out of control breeding needs to be in place. Controlling intentional breeders needs to be in place. Microchipping to ID animals and hold humans accountable needs to be in place. Vaccination, parasite testing, deworming, flea/tick control, heartworm control, you name it, this all needs to be addressed for dogs and cats in our care. I've rarely seen such "bugs" infest dogs and cats that are moderately cared for. I lol about people blissfully ignorant about life in the wild being some paradise 😅😂. Noooope! Nope nope nope nooooo! The damn flies! Oh good grief let me spare you the knowledge of what I know 😬.
I've been really passionate and active in the fight to make keeping marine mammals in captivity illegal world wide and nothing makes me happier than to see another person say it too. Fucking party on dude.
Define what you mean when saying "marine mammals". If you are talking about orca whales, I absolutely agree with you that keeping them in captivity in the current conditions is a bad thing. If you're including seals and sea lions in this, I absolutely disagree, as many quality zoos and aquariums allow seals and sea lions to live superb lives. Marine mammals is a big term, and I just want clarification with what species you are talking about.
@@neilchace1858 I am specifically talking about all marine mammals (and I also believe in primate rights but that's separate), these animals have all shown to have significant mental capabilities which show that they understand that they are being held captive, and they all live shorter, less healthy lives in captivity due to the human limits placed on their social structures which hinders mental development. I do know that's further than most people feel, but nonetheless, I think it's a cause worth fighting for.
Errin Watson I’m starting up my career and education to work with the AZA as a animal welfare specialist. AZA being “the non profit that allows AZA certified zoological facilities like zoos and aquariums to work as nonprofits that can help to fund conservation and take on animal rescue, while enforcing animal welfare standards and guidelines through a yearly animal welfare based certification process” Me and many other people of my generation in the same field are huge advocates for the freedom of cetaceans, as we currently can’t keep them properly long term, and much more research and improvements to animal husbandry must be made before it should even be thought of. Many of us are actually suggesting that many of the spaces that the few facilities that do still have spaces made for cetaceans be used as rehabilitation centers that Keeps rescues and orphaned animals for short term care. We are also suggesting that marine mammals like seals and sea lions have tighter restrictions and higher species care standards. This means that if a facility wants to keep these animals in any long term non rehab capacity they will have a much harder time reaching welfare standards to keep their status as a AZA certified facility if they aren’t doing it perfectly, and most of the animals will be long term non Releasable rescues rather than animals bred as part of the population in zoological facilities. This will also get rid of any show or entertainment based non natural behavioral training in non accredited facilities like marine parks. We are also looking at doing much the same for great apes specifically. We are planing on having their care standards tripled in capacity in the next 5 years, and all animals will hopefully be either rescues, or members of conservation based breeding programs by that time as well. Many facilities even have specialist psychologist to make sure primates have good mental healthcare already. Many of us are also encouraging the growth of a focus in reptiles, amphibian, small mammals, small birds, and small fish i zoological facilities as we can help to conserve more species, while keeping them all in far above care standards My local AZA zoo will be mostly reptiles, and other smaller animals come summer 2021 because they realized that it’s better to do a large amount of small animal care extremely well, and limit the amount of large intelligent and hard to care for animals so that the few they have get as much focus and care as they need to ensure that they thrive. Fortunately most places are adopting a quality or quantity mindset putting the animals first. There are big changes coming! A lot of larger zoological facilities are even looking at doing large almost wild safari like conditions. One has already done a fantastic job of it. Look up The Wilds in Ohio.
It all depends on how you do it. Generally* they live much longer and more healthy lives. People get to caught up in the virtual signaling for these things but as long as we respect the wild individuals and leave them and take good care of the captive ones then there’s nothing wrong with it
Thank you for this. Every time I bring up wanting to get a pet snake, or any reptile, my grandma gives me the "It's just so sad. They need to be back in their home." You explained everything in this video much better than I ever could, and I hope this helps her see why that is an absolutely terrible idea. I think people seem to forget that cats, dogs, hamsters, bunnies, etc., all came from the wild at some point, and nobody really complains about those being unhappy in captivity. Anyways, love your content, and thanks again
Crested geckos are literally endangered in the wild. My guy has veterinary care, a 34 gallon tank, balanced diet and literally perfect conditions..... I definitely feel like he’s doing better in captivity
@@WickensWickedReptiles We are 100 percent on the same page, I never believed the articles lol. But your channel as a whole has been extremely helpful. By far my favorite reptile RUclipsr
@@WickensWickedReptiles indeed it has though i believe you are a bit too nice when speaking of other RUclipsrs😊😊 Just my opinion though and of course you have to be careful with what you say to avoid nonsense. We all know stans can be toxic. You know the st-alker f-ans who cancel anyone who dare critique their favorites. I am very grateful to have found your channel!
Great topic! If done correctly with the right reptiles it is 100% acceptable. I love watching animals in the wild and I pride myself on providing the best care for all my pets, reptiles included. Most keepers try to provide habits that completely mimic the animals natural environment. The difference is as stated, its minus the predators, drought and lack of food. Those that see it otherwise are often just looking for something to complain about. Well done!!!
I have some video ideas! 1. Tubs vs Enclosures 2. Top 5 substrates you can use 3. Paper towel vs substrate 4. Should you buy from Petsmart 5. Should you adopt a reptile 6. Top 5 most expensive reptiles to keep 7. Should you become a breeder 8. Old reptile care (before the 70s) vs modern reptile care
These captive bred animals wouldn't even exist if people didn't want to keep them. As long as you're a responsible owner, there is nothing wrong with it. Also, Snake Discovery didn't seek out an American Alligator to own, they rescued it from a bad situation, and they are now giving Rex the best life possible in captivity. Thanks for making this video, it was great 👍
The other thing is that it’s not like they just went out and bought a croc at snake discovery. The animal was in a bad situation and they knew they had the resources and skills to give her a better life so they did. They constantly say that they do not condone people keeping pet crocodilians, theirs is an outlying circumstance. Also random but I love how when he said you shouldn’t keep a bearded dragon in a 20 gallon he had a suggestion pop up for his video on reptiles that can live in 20 gallons forever, just made me chuckle
People don't understand that reptiles don't long for something more. They don't wish and pine for a natural life. They just live in the moment. And if the moment is good, they're chillin.
Mostly true, only two exceptions to this- 1. Animals in which husbandry hasn't been mastered yet (ex. dragon snake) 2. Large Tortoise species- they live so long in the wild, captivity doesn't extend the lifespan at all.
*when kept in the appropriate conditions. I know he clearly stated this in the video but i do think we can't gloss over the fact that many animals are litetally created purely so they can be mistreated, neglected and abused just to die. Id love to know how many kids have gotten a bearded dragon alone on a whim without they or the parents having a clue or caring much about them. Don't get me wrong im not against reptiles as pets in the slightest but i do think its irrational to give an argument for anything thats manipulated so it only supports what we want, because bottom line as long as we as a group decide to have them as pets we decide to also have them available to everyone which means a lot of terrible ownership and terrible lives.
I think keeping reptiles in captivity also helps us understand them better to the point where we can use this understanding towards improving our conservation efforts.
100% agree. I just gotta say... this guy is so underrated. I think he deserves 10 mil subs. Let’s get the reptile community up in here! You’re so amazing Adam :) you make my day!!
Here’s what gets me.....one of the most popular reptile you tubers made a video about how he hated to go to the dungeon because of the conditions that HE HIMSELF is responsible for keeping them that way. So on that video he committed towards changing things down there and making much bigger enclosures to be in and to provide bedding and not just a piece of paper. As most of us predicted, it never happened. Even if it’s a tiny hog nose snake or if it’s a giant python, every animal in captivity deserves the best possible enclosure that can be given to them. Why??? Because they rely on their human for every need. Animals who have always been in captivity can’t just be set free because they don’t know how to care for themselves in the wild. My area of expertise is mammals...dogs, cats, cows, and horses mostly, but I love all animals. My dream has always been to have a western hog nose snake named Dingo. As soon as I can find one, he has an awesome enclosure waiting for him. Great video as always Adam. We appreciate you.
You talking about N.E.R.D? I’m looking up various combinations of reptile/snake/dungeon and Kevin calls the heated and regulated underground area with all the snakes the “Dungeon”. Are we really talking about Kevin?
Your average pet smart or Petco won't have a hognose snake you can get them from local breeders lesser known local pet stores, and online. I got my checked garter from a local pets store in my area at my local mall
Love this video! Great take on this very frequent comment by very ignorant people. And you didn't even touch on species of animals that are ONLY alive because of the pet industry. For example, Axolotls have practically been eradicated from their native environment but are thriving in the pet industry.
This is a video that I think really should be made, many people think that it is just all out cruel to own a reptile when they don't understand, so thank you for making this video with a clear answer
To be fair I think there is quite a broad area between "keeping any animal is cruel" and "there is no widespread abuse in the hobby" for example I absolutely despise how most reptile breeding is done and I think the biggest breeders put themselves in situations where they cannot possibly give proper care to all of their animals. Tom Crutchfield calls them puppy mills and I think thats hard to argue with.
This video is a great segue into the next discussion point: if the absence of negative things (like disease, predation, hunger) doesn’t ensure an animal has a good quality of life - what does it mean to provide a good life for our reptiles? We all intuitively understand that raising a child in a small padded cell - even with the arguments of “I’m keeping it clean and safe from harm... and look... it’s healthy and living a long time” wouldn’t equate to quality of life. So what does it look like to provide more than just the absence of the negative? What does it look like to provide the positive things a living being needs to thrive? How do we give our pets habitat complexity, dietary variation, humidity variation, access to infrared A and B, light gradients, training, enrichment, and choice? (Full credit to Reptiles and Research for that list.) I’d love to hear more on this! I know you’re typically a one man show - but if you ever partnered with channels like Animals at Home, Lori Torrini, JTB Reptiles, etc... I’d be so excited to see what great content that would produce!
I agree with this video because even though I don’t have a reptile I have a cat and whilst he can hunt mice he wouldn’t survive because he’s so playful with any being he sees and doesn’t understand that a big loud being may want to hurt them Great vid
My Bearded Dragon passed away at 9 years old I think I gave him the best life I could give him. Many people told me Bearded Dragons don’t even make it to 9 years old in the wild and 9 is considered their senior years.
People think it’s cruel to own reptiles and I think life in general is cruel. Sooooo having a little cold blooded friend to make your life more entertaining while giving them a good home sounds like a win win in this cruel world.
Another great video! I found your channel when I was educating myself before I got my gargoyle gecko and your channel has made me grow such a love for reptiles in general, not just geckos. Can't wait for you to reach 1 million subscribers and beyond, you deserve it!
What I usually tell people as a human analogy is that it's like the difference between staying at an all-inclusive resort with room service where you're never allowed to leave your room or living your entire life being hunted by wolves, bears, insects, parasites, naked, in the woods with no tools or weapons to help you. Always waiting for something to eat you or your offspring, always scrounging and hoping for another bite to eat so that you don't starve to death. Battling hypothermia, dehydration, all of the above.
i agree with everything except the tick picture OTL I have a phobia of them and the sudden trigger freaked me out, rip. otherwise yea! Your opinions are super balanced and I find myself always agreeing with you!
WWR: i don't think you should keep alligators in your basement me, a huge snake discovery fan: ANGRY SCROLLS TO MAKE A COMMENT WWR: i'm not talking about snake discovery me: ..... okay i still like this guy.
Wow thank you so much for bringing us this kind of topic. The argument was very on point and eye-opening. Every video you posted made me love your channel more and more! Hope this channel will grow bigger than you’ve ever expected 😊
When you fail to provide for all your pet’s needs, it’s stops being a pet and starts being a prisoner. Some species need more care, and should only be in captivity if cared for by professions and if they for some reason can’t survive on their own. SnakeDiscovery’s gator was a rescue, and has stunted growth and was raised in captivity. She likely wouldn’t survive if released.
I personally think it’s not wrong and personally believe that a lot of captive animals enjoy life as long as it’s a good life. For example: I keep dart frogs and for a pair of green and blacks you need a 10 gallon. I have 3 and have a 75 gallon. Give them space and give them as close to the wild as you can without it being dangerous. The ultimate goal is they’re there for our entertainment and in return we need to give them a stress free happy life where the chance of disease or injury is low.
I'm gonna come out and say that I'm very much FOR keeping reptiles/animals with proper and well-researched husbandry. Even for some endangered species, I believe it is important to figure out how to successfully perpetuate the species in captivity. The way I see it having healthy breeding populations of these animals in captivity could potentially save the species should the animals' native range undergo rapid change (Human-induced or otherwise) that could result in the extinction of a species. Animals like the Axolotl come to mind, were it not for a prolific captive population, it'd be highly endangered today some even believe it to be extinct in its native range. It does pain me, however, that not all breeders are what I'd considered moral, but I do hope that we can perpetuate species in captivity under expert care, even in small populations, for the days when those species become extinct in the wild.
Very nicely summed up Adam with great points and simple facts. The key is in the husbandry and we (pet reptile keepers) are finally trending towards better care :-)
Thanks for the video, it helped me clear my mind. I’ve been debating about this lately since I really love keeping reptiles and wish to keep more intelligent and bigger reptiles in the future (only when I’m capable, and no crocodilian) but at the same time I’m a new vet student and a new recruit of a conservation organisation. I felt hypocritical that I criticize people keeping big cats and primates yet keep reptiles and even want big lizards myself. But I also know that those are different, while one is able to live happier in captivity the other cannot/is extremely hard to achieve. I just couldn’t put it into words and it made me feel guilty for a while.
I do not have a problem with most animals being kept in captivity,done right. . Your assessment is correct. If you have not read t The Covenant Of The Wild,Why Animals Choose Domination: Stephan Budinsky, I'd suggest you do. Speaking as an X wild rehabber,I'm going to add to what you said.. I agree that the carnage to those released into the wild would be horrific. Some species would not be able to figure out what to eat and would starve. Or not knowing what is safe, cause they were not fed a wild diet,might eat the wrong things and die. Finding water and shelter would not be a walk in the park. Havering lived in captivity,they would have no clue what a predictor was.Diamond's lack of reaction proves my point. Plus,the process of domestication modulates the animal's fight/flight response,which is why Diamond is so chill. A critter who sees something bigger than it's self and does not run or fly away is dinner. Finding a mate and living with one's own kind would not,in many cases,be easy. This pertains mainly to birds cause if they are hand raised,they imprint on humans and when they hit puberty,they will want to mate with humans. (I have a red tailed hawk story on this if you want to read it/) . They also won't know how to behave with their own kind and will often be rejected. Mammals might approach humans for food,said humans think they have rabies,and kill them. Birds approving the wrong human could also be killed.. When wildlife rehabbers release their charges,only half survive. Those who are gradually introduced to the wild (called hacking out) often don't make it, even though they are wild. They simply cannot deal with such a massive change. Diamond might last a couple months,as an example. And then there are parrots. I personally think no large parrot should be kept in captivity. There are lots of reasons,which you can research. Anyway, that's my take on it since I'm trying to keep this short and sweet. Ok,maybe not so sweet. Anyone who wants to argue with me will be ignored. Work at a wildlife shelter for one year and you will see what I mean.
I’ve probably watched close to 30 of your videos now and I will say you deserve so much more popularity than you already have. Your method of making videos is absolutely captivating. My favorite youtubers are Snake Discovery, clints reptiles, the tarantula collective, and goherping. And now you. I would say you are DEFINITELY up there with them, keep up the amazing work man.
Great video Adam! I agree 100% If we’re caring for these animals correctly, giving them appropriate food and water, interacting with them regularly and giving them the enrichment they need, they are living their best life. 🙏🏼
Next time you see a huge old sea turtle on TV just imagine the journey they went through made it to the water without getting eaten and survived the ocean and can get over 100 years..no thats a survival story
Well.. I don’t think it’s animal abuse personally, like I said before in your comment section my friends and family all have reptiles. I love my reptiles! Another nice video, keep it up for your #1 fan!
Not a herp, but Red tailed hawks, only something like 1% of them actually survive their first year. Falconry is huge almost solely as a conservation method.
A great example as to why we cannot release all captive animals is what happened in multiple cases of people releasing minks from fur farms. As Adam listed above, most captive animals aren't used to the wild and so cannot hunt well nor do they know how to protect themselves, along with depleting resources in their area. This is exactly what happened. "Animal-rights Activists" thought they were saving minks from their local fur farms, but the opposite happened when almost all of them died and the bodies of the minks were scattered everywhere. It doesn't help either that minks are extremely territorial and started killing each other off, but for the ones who did manage to stay alive they ruined the ecosystems around them, especially in places they are either rarely found naturally or are non-native. From what I read it wasn't PETA's doing for most of these releases, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that some were.
In my recent obsession with common boas (false red tail boas, BCIs) I’ve come across your channel and I started binging your videos! Too be fair I do watch mostly just videos about large snakes, but even videos not relating to BCIs I’ve found myself watching, like this one! Anyways, you got a subscriber, looking forward to whatever you create! Besides the point but I’m hoping to get a BCI soon, my first proper snake, for my birthday :) gosh they’re so awesome
Great video! I totally agree with a lot of the points you made. I like how you brought up how some animals can’t be kept in captivity properly. Lots of who are not knowledgeable with reptiles compare a leopard gecko with a whale and that overall is not a good comparison. Loved the video!
Thanks for this video! I get how some people want to end animal cruelty and think places like zoos are terrible. And I understand that in an ideal world, those animals wouldn't need us to survive. But that's not the reality of things. What we need to change are regulations surrounding zoos so they put the animal's well-being before everything, not shut the place down itself (at least don't make it your first step). Because then, what you gonna do with all these animals? Some of them are wild, sure, but some of them were raised in captivity and don't have the same instincts as purely feral animals. And we know what would happen if we released a bunch of animals loose: Burmese pythons in the Everglades x 1,000. Also, you're getting good at plugging your sponsorships =].
Dethklok!!!! Brutal!!! I also get kind of peeved when owners intentionally piss off their bearded dragons so they can film them darkening their necks. Ugh.
I agree with everything you said in this video, especially when it comes to the difference between a hard, dangerous life in the wild vs a relatively safe easy one in captivity. However, I would put an asterisk on that to mention that is all coming from our human perspective. From the human perspective, yes, a well kept captive has a better and longer life. But the truth is we don't really know what animals are thinking. They may very well not think like us, may not see or even realize how much of a struggle life is. Because they're adapted for that life, they may not even view it as hard. We just don't know. Brains are so complex that I don't think we can assume all think alike but just at lower levels compared to humans. So it's possible that we are actually harming animals by keeping them captive at all. And we may very well never even know that. That being said... I don't think "might" is a good enough reason to not keep pets. I'd rather base it on our human understanding than a hypothetical "they might just not think like that" even though I acknowledge it's a possibility. Because it's equally and probably more possible that they really do just enjoy being waited on hand and foot by their simian slaves
Another reason is; reptiles like ballpythons have a simple brain so they don't have the mental problems (not big enough enclosure, not enough enrichment etc) like other animals in captivity.
Most reptiles don't bother me in captivity, but I really hate when people treat primates as pets, even the little ones are too much for 99.99% of the population, and just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you can provide the complete care they need
Dude, Snake Discovery holds my heart, but all you do is reinforce the correct selections for reptiles, while sharing your own views, and linking them to other too rated hep channels. I LOVE IT
To all the people who dont think hes right about this go live out in the wild for a month catching your own food drinking dirty water and tell me living inside a house isnt better
Does that you mean you also think wild caught is good? I think the question is whether we should breed animals in captivity at all, potentially into "cruel" conditions depending on your view. Not whether all captive animals should be released, no one with any kind of common sense would think that's good.
@@silentscales8631 yeah but the logic of the comment would suggest the same for wild caught. Cos if living in a box is better cos of those things he said, then that would apply to wild animals, not just captive bread ones. To only apply that to captive bred animals would be a special pleading fallacy.
@@michaelcolbourn6719 "To all the People who don't Think Hes Right" already with that he means About what The Vid is Talking About, And Since the Vid Clearly Stated that They are *Not* Talking about wild Caught animals, then that Means That his Comment has Nothing to do with Wild Caught Animals, as he is Talking about the Opinions of the Vidio which tañk about Captive bred Animals and Not Wild Caught
I love that you took time to answer this question and also that you did it in a way that respects those that have asked the question. Even if some people have extreme belief, one can always try to answer then sensibly and respectfully. Otherwise, how could they learn. And anyway they maybe some reason behind their beliefs as well.
Life is very cruel...I was traveling in a day trip from Whitehorse to Watson Lake for work. I saw a fox on the side of the road that has been hit by a vehicle. It was curled up likely unable to move. There was three Ravens just there, waiting for it to die so they can eat. It could have easily injured itself doing anything so ignore the fact it was hot by a vehicle... Life is very very cruel and doesn't care about feelings. Just some perspective
I’m gonna be real. My answer is no but yeah. If you can’t make an adequate habitat for the animal in captivity then yes. Like orcas? Nah fam we can’t give them what we need or at least we haven’t yet. But snakes, most lizards etc. most definitely these can be kept completely fine. I’ll even dare to disagree that some, some and again SOME species can be wild caught and transition just fine to captivity for example, American toads do really well. They don’t need a lot of space they eat bugs and have really easy to replicate requirements now don’t everyone go catch a toad, because obviously the wild population is important and shouldn’t be tampered with excessively but the toads themselves as individuals? They do pretty good.
Okay, but I mean, they don't even have to worry about the next time that they're going to eat. In the wild, my beardie, gecko, skink, and snakes wouldn't know when they'd eat again. They'd most likely have parasites, and other issues, where in captivity, they're spoiled, fed all the time, and kept clean. However, I've seen neglectful reptile keepers with adult bearded dragons in 10 gallon tanks with no uvb. Obviously stunted growth and mbd, plus the keeper had no idea that it was female or could brumate and lay eggs. Pretty much, if a responsible owner/keeper does their research, you get healthy, happy, captive babies. But there are always going to be the irresponsible ones out there too.
I think the biggest things for anyone who decides to bring an animal into their home (reptile, mammal, whatever) are the awareness and appreciation for what an animal needs in order to thrive (not just survive), an honest acknowledgement of what your skills and abilities are as their caretaker, and an understanding of how to obtain an animal in an ethical manner (as well as support those who practice proper animal husbandry and honestly care for their animals and want their best homes possible for their progeny).
Also cruel (in my opinion), buy a reptile (or bing them from the wild) but having no idea how to take care of them, how they behave, what & how much they eat and at the end resell them because the reptile is "broken". This is how I got my two Tracheloptychus petersi. That isn't even a joke, the person, where originally caught them from the wild & brought them to my country, thought really they where broken because they didn't wanted eat (those lizards are very picky & weak eater and don't really like crickets ) & where buried all the time and then sold it to a pet shop. (at least to a very good reptile pet shop where they really care about the animals.)
There's a reason most reptiles kept in captivity have way longer average life spans than their wild counterparts. The same goes if every human went back to "wild" alot wouldn't survive, they wouldn't known where to get food without a grocery store or restaurant. Wouldn't hown to survive the elements etc.
True. I can survive in "the wild" because of where and how I was raised and the skills I learned over the years through various sources and I'm not saying that theoretically. Every few years I put myself to the test for a week or 2 to make sure I can still survive out in the woods without access to shit we all take for granted and the older I get, the more I hope to never find myself in that situation out of necessity instead of as part of some weird "ritual" I voluntarily take part in. Now that I've hit 40 (fml) I doubt I'll be doing any more dead of winter survival practice runs; pretty sure I'd rather die than be forced to live outdoors in freezing temps lol. No way would I consider myself a survivalist expert but I have no doubt I'd do a lot better than the vast majority of my peers, through little fault of their own. Seems to never cross a lot of people's minds that they'd need to find other options if everything went to shit and there were no more stores, restaurants, utilities, etc.
What do you think? Is keeping animals in captivity cruel?
Do you sell reptiles?
@@jaygotglock334 yeah he does but it depends on the time of year they do not always breed and he might be put.
@@random_guy5497 is there a website or something
Only if they are not being provided with adequate space and/or enrichment and things to keep them entertained or challenged. Proper medical care is necessary as well.
It is only if its cruel (improper care, used for fighting, abused, neglected, bred to just sell en masse) to the animal. Or if the animal is from an endangered species.
"In general, living life without parasites inside of you is better than living life with parasites inside you."
This is the content I came here for lol
I spit straight facts yo!
@@WickensWickedReptiles this sounds like an argument for wild caught animals though. Take them out the wild so they don't get parasites. The question of morality comes more from is it better to breed these animals into captivity at all, or just not to breed them. I dont think anyone thinks it's a good idea to release all captive animals.
Agreed. I took parasitology in Grad school. Fascinating and revolting at the same time.
@@michaelcolbourn6719 the way the world is now if you want something to keep existing its gotta serve humans in some way
Idk, man, one of my 2nd cousins had a tape worm as a kid for Lord only knows how long. It was discovered when the cuz took a couple sips of kerosene; cuz was never the brightest bulb. Prior to expelling the tape worm, dude could and did eat everything in sight without gaining any weight. He didn't change those habits for quite some time after the parasite was out and packed on the pounds like crazy. He still says he wishes he still had that tapeworm....obviously he doesnt understand they're a lot more than a weight loss tool and can cause real damage...but still.
Whoever says "What about Snake Discovery?" For the argument for keeping alligators HAS NOT watched the videos about Rex's story. Emily says UP FRONT that she does NOT support keeping crocodilians as pets. They themselves didn't want a pet alligator. But they saw the horrid conditions she was being kept in and knew that even though they didn't ever plan on having a pet alligator, they were still a better option for that particular alligator to live a better life.
Heck! She went from a 4-5 foot box that she lived in for like 20+ years, to a whole room that Ed and Emily converted into a gator enclosure. AND NOW is about to get an even better enclosure at their reptile zoo!
So, yeah. Anyone using Snake Discovery as an excuse to keep alligators hasn't actually watched Snake Discovery because they REPEATEDLY say that they DO NOT condone keeping them as pets, at all.
👍👍👍I heard rexs story it’s sad.
@@tides1506 It is. She was raised in a 4 ft box her whole life with improper heating and lighting, which stunted her growth, and it was so small that whenever she tried to turn around her face would bump on the sides. That paired with no UVB and improper diet gave her rubber jaw and it deformed her jaw. She lived like that for like 25 yrs.
Honestly Snake Discovery is an amazing example of WHY people should not keep Alligators. If rex was kept properly she wouldn't have the issues she does now that have made her so small and special needs.
The only possible exception I think would be if you were so rich you could literally have/make a zoo-level enclosure.
@@technicaldifficulties368 that's the dream
"When you're a noodle with a head, the world is a scary place." ~Dr. Clinton Laidlaw, Ph.D.
Unless you end up in the hands of an animal lover
Sometimes i look at my spoiled leopard gecko all splooted out sleeping halfway out of his cave like he's the comfiest guy in the world and I'm like man he would never survive in the wild😌❤
hahahah same
And i bet most of us do with our animals. Sometimes i wish i was my animal because they have it made in the uv shade!
We pretend we can’t see our bearded dragon when she is hiding...don’t make eye contact...yes you are very good at hiding...such a smart dragon...
Wait, you mean you don't look at how comfy he is and think I want to be that gecko? That's how I care for any animal. If I magically trade places, would I have optimal care. Your gecko is living a best life. ❤
My pets are spoiled rotten. I dare anyone to try and seize my animals to “set them free”. Not gonna happen!!!
same!!
Yeah, set them free where they could destroy the habitat of your community
People are dumb for thinking that it's okay
@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 yea take Florida for example got iguana tegu burmese pythons running everywhere
@@jdandkikisExotics those dumb so called "animal rights activists" don't understand that some animals are invading species. Examples like Burmese pythons, snapping turtle, tegus, and other predator animals
Even if we release them in wild, it will make things even worse
PETA would definitely still try even then lol
I actually love the “you live in a house to regulate it” argument. That was a mic drop right there IMO.
exactly
I work in a vet office as a kennel attendant. We work with dog and cat rescues I've seen SO MANY feral and stray cats in dogs with ringworm, giardia, kennel cough, worms, parvo, feline leukemia, canine distemper, FIV, etc...
So whenever someone starts waxing poetic about "THE FREEDOM AND BEAUTY AND HAPPINESS OF THE WILD" I start cracking up. The wild is NASTY y'all.
And some would argue there are so many because of domesticated strays. The abandoned type. Sad but likely part of it.
Interesting comment since it points out the human negligence factor that created all those feral strays. Lack of responsible care. Those cats and dogs came from domestic sources. Spay neuter, or some form of altering to prevent out of control breeding needs to be in place. Controlling intentional breeders needs to be in place. Microchipping to ID animals and hold humans accountable needs to be in place. Vaccination, parasite testing, deworming, flea/tick control, heartworm control, you name it, this all needs to be addressed for dogs and cats in our care. I've rarely seen such "bugs" infest dogs and cats that are moderately cared for. I lol about people blissfully ignorant about life in the wild being some paradise 😅😂. Noooope! Nope nope nope nooooo! The damn flies! Oh good grief let me spare you the knowledge of what I know 😬.
Pretty sure all of us watching this is because we care about our animals, another awesome video always great advice, and knowledge. Agreed 100%
Completely agree!
Thanks for watching! thank you!
I've been really passionate and active in the fight to make keeping marine mammals in captivity illegal world wide and nothing makes me happier than to see another person say it too. Fucking party on dude.
I live ten minutes from Marineland, it makes me smile to see the protesters there every week
@@WickensWickedReptiles I knew you were a good human.
Define what you mean when saying "marine mammals". If you are talking about orca whales, I absolutely agree with you that keeping them in captivity in the current conditions is a bad thing. If you're including seals and sea lions in this, I absolutely disagree, as many quality zoos and aquariums allow seals and sea lions to live superb lives. Marine mammals is a big term, and I just want clarification with what species you are talking about.
@@neilchace1858 I am specifically talking about all marine mammals (and I also believe in primate rights but that's separate), these animals have all shown to have significant mental capabilities which show that they understand that they are being held captive, and they all live shorter, less healthy lives in captivity due to the human limits placed on their social structures which hinders mental development. I do know that's further than most people feel, but nonetheless, I think it's a cause worth fighting for.
Errin Watson I’m starting up my career and education to work with the AZA as a animal welfare specialist.
AZA being “the non profit that allows AZA certified zoological facilities like zoos and aquariums to work as nonprofits that can help to fund conservation and take on animal rescue, while enforcing animal welfare standards and guidelines through a yearly animal welfare based certification process”
Me and many other people of my generation in the same field are huge advocates for the freedom of cetaceans, as we currently can’t keep them properly long term, and much more research and improvements to animal husbandry must be made before it should even be thought of. Many of us are actually suggesting that many of the spaces that the few facilities that do still have spaces made for cetaceans be used as rehabilitation centers that Keeps rescues and orphaned animals for short term care.
We are also suggesting that marine mammals like seals and sea lions have tighter restrictions and higher species care standards. This means that if a facility wants to keep these animals in any long term non rehab capacity they will have a much harder time reaching welfare standards to keep their status as a AZA certified facility if they aren’t doing it perfectly, and most of the animals will be long term non Releasable rescues rather than animals bred as part of the population in zoological facilities. This will also get rid of any show or entertainment based non natural behavioral training in non accredited facilities like marine parks.
We are also looking at doing much the same for great apes specifically. We are planing on having their care standards tripled in capacity in the next 5 years, and all animals will hopefully be either rescues, or members of conservation based breeding programs by that time as well. Many facilities even have specialist psychologist to make sure primates have good mental healthcare already.
Many of us are also encouraging the growth of a focus in reptiles, amphibian, small mammals, small birds, and small fish i zoological facilities as we can help to conserve more species, while keeping them all in far above care standards
My local AZA zoo will be mostly reptiles, and other smaller animals come summer 2021 because they realized that it’s better to do a large amount of small animal care extremely well, and limit the amount of large intelligent and hard to care for animals so that the few they have get as much focus and care as they need to ensure that they thrive.
Fortunately most places are adopting a quality or quantity mindset putting the animals first.
There are big changes coming!
A lot of larger zoological facilities are even looking at doing large almost wild safari like conditions. One has already done a fantastic job of it. Look up The Wilds in Ohio.
It all depends on how you do it. Generally* they live much longer and more healthy lives. People get to caught up in the virtual signaling for these things but as long as we respect the wild individuals and leave them and take good care of the captive ones then there’s nothing wrong with it
yep!
Thank you for this. Every time I bring up wanting to get a pet snake, or any reptile, my grandma gives me the "It's just so sad. They need to be back in their home." You explained everything in this video much better than I ever could, and I hope this helps her see why that is an absolutely terrible idea. I think people seem to forget that cats, dogs, hamsters, bunnies, etc., all came from the wild at some point, and nobody really complains about those being unhappy in captivity. Anyways, love your content, and thanks again
Did it help?
Crested geckos are literally endangered in the wild. My guy has veterinary care, a 34 gallon tank, balanced diet and literally perfect conditions..... I definitely feel like he’s doing better in captivity
What kind of vinegar do you mix with water to clean aquarium with
@@chuckgosnell4500 I use zoo med wipe out to clean the tank
Humans in prison have shelter, food, and medical care too. A way less risky life than outside. Better, though? I'm not sure.
@cerberaodollam I assume you've never been to prison. Unless you're talking about SHU, prison isn't safer than the outside.
I recently saw some articles talking about how keeping snakes is cruel. Crazy timing for this video
hope this helped
@@WickensWickedReptiles We are 100 percent on the same page, I never believed the articles lol. But your channel as a whole has been extremely helpful. By far my favorite reptile RUclipsr
@@WickensWickedReptiles indeed it has though i believe you are a bit too nice when speaking of other RUclipsrs😊😊
Just my opinion though and of course you have to be careful with what you say to avoid nonsense. We all know stans can be toxic. You know the st-alker f-ans who cancel anyone who dare critique their favorites.
I am very grateful to have found your channel!
Great topic! If done correctly with the right reptiles it is 100% acceptable. I love watching animals in the wild and I pride myself on providing the best care for all my pets, reptiles included. Most keepers try to provide habits that completely mimic the animals natural environment. The difference is as stated, its minus the predators, drought and lack of food. Those that see it otherwise are often just looking for something to complain about. Well done!!!
Well said! thanks Rick :)
Why is your comment telling me it was put up a day ago.
@@hannahhenderson1113 early release to Patreon members.
@@rickcroney1286 ah yes makes sense just weird to see
I have some video ideas!
1. Tubs vs Enclosures
2. Top 5 substrates you can use
3. Paper towel vs substrate
4. Should you buy from Petsmart
5. Should you adopt a reptile
6. Top 5 most expensive reptiles to keep
7. Should you become a breeder
8. Old reptile care (before the 70s) vs modern reptile care
The 8th is my favorite
I;ve done all of these haha, Most expensive reptiles is my most watched video I think, check it out :)
Wickens Wicked Reptiles I don't think you have done all of them...
Enclosures > Tubs
@Cougar Killer I was saying enclosures are better than tubs. 😉
These captive bred animals wouldn't even exist if people didn't want to keep them. As long as you're a responsible owner, there is nothing wrong with it. Also, Snake Discovery didn't seek out an American Alligator to own, they rescued it from a bad situation, and they are now giving Rex the best life possible in captivity. Thanks for making this video, it was great 👍
The other thing is that it’s not like they just went out and bought a croc at snake discovery. The animal was in a bad situation and they knew they had the resources and skills to give her a better life so they did. They constantly say that they do not condone people keeping pet crocodilians, theirs is an outlying circumstance. Also random but I love how when he said you shouldn’t keep a bearded dragon in a 20 gallon he had a suggestion pop up for his video on reptiles that can live in 20 gallons forever, just made me chuckle
People don't understand that reptiles don't long for something more. They don't wish and pine for a natural life. They just live in the moment. And if the moment is good, they're chillin.
How do you know that?
@@satorisnakes because they're not wired like that
If you take care of them and fulfil all of their needs, then no.
If you neglect them and give them a compartment they can't enjoy as a home, then yes.
bingo!!
They live longer in captivity
way longer!
Mostly true, only two exceptions to this-
1. Animals in which husbandry hasn't been mastered yet (ex. dragon snake)
2. Large Tortoise species- they live so long in the wild, captivity doesn't extend the lifespan at all.
@Xpgamer Jr Alligators do perfectly fine in captivity as long as they have proper husbandry and care, not good for your average person though.
EXACTLY
*when kept in the appropriate conditions.
I know he clearly stated this in the video but i do think we can't gloss over the fact that many animals are litetally created purely so they can be mistreated, neglected and abused just to die. Id love to know how many kids have gotten a bearded dragon alone on a whim without they or the parents having a clue or caring much about them.
Don't get me wrong im not against reptiles as pets in the slightest but i do think its irrational to give an argument for anything thats manipulated so it only supports what we want, because bottom line as long as we as a group decide to have them as pets we decide to also have them available to everyone which means a lot of terrible ownership and terrible lives.
I literally don’t have any reptiles but I’ve been binging his videos
Same
thank you!
I think keeping reptiles in captivity also helps us understand them better to the point where we can use this understanding towards improving our conservation efforts.
100% agree. I just gotta say... this guy is so underrated. I think he deserves 10 mil subs. Let’s get the reptile community up in here! You’re so amazing Adam :) you make my day!!
I appreciate that
In due time trust me he'll get there! Maybe some thumbnail and title experimenting could help speed up the process.
Here’s what gets me.....one of the most popular reptile you tubers made a video about how he hated to go to the dungeon because of the conditions that HE HIMSELF is responsible for keeping them that way. So on that video he committed towards changing things down there and making much bigger enclosures to be in and to provide bedding and not just a piece of paper. As most of us predicted, it never happened. Even if it’s a tiny hog nose snake or if it’s a giant python, every animal in captivity deserves the best possible enclosure that can be given to them. Why??? Because they rely on their human for every need.
Animals who have always been in captivity can’t just be set free because they don’t know how to care for themselves in the wild. My area of expertise is mammals...dogs, cats, cows, and horses mostly, but I love all animals. My dream has always been to have a western hog nose snake named Dingo. As soon as I can find one, he has an awesome enclosure waiting for him.
Great video as always Adam. We appreciate you.
thanks so much for the kind words and i agree
You talking about N.E.R.D? I’m looking up various combinations of reptile/snake/dungeon and Kevin calls the heated and regulated underground area with all the snakes the “Dungeon”. Are we really talking about Kevin?
Your average pet smart or Petco won't have a hognose snake you can get them from local breeders lesser known local pet stores, and online. I got my checked garter from a local pets store in my area at my local mall
Love this video! Great take on this very frequent comment by very ignorant people. And you didn't even touch on species of animals that are ONLY alive because of the pet industry. For example, Axolotls have practically been eradicated from their native environment but are thriving in the pet industry.
I'm picking up what you're laying down Adam 👍🏾. This is your magnum opus. Facts not feelings. Thanks my friend. Take care and stay safe 🇺🇸🇨🇦.
Thanks 👍
This is a video that I think really should be made, many people think that it is just all out cruel to own a reptile when they don't understand, so thank you for making this video with a clear answer
To be fair I think there is quite a broad area between "keeping any animal is cruel" and "there is no widespread abuse in the hobby" for example I absolutely despise how most reptile breeding is done and I think the biggest breeders put themselves in situations where they cannot possibly give proper care to all of their animals.
Tom Crutchfield calls them puppy mills and I think thats hard to argue with.
:)
This video is a great segue into the next discussion point: if the absence of negative things (like disease, predation, hunger) doesn’t ensure an animal has a good quality of life - what does it mean to provide a good life for our reptiles? We all intuitively understand that raising a child in a small padded cell - even with the arguments of “I’m keeping it clean and safe from harm... and look... it’s healthy and living a long time” wouldn’t equate to quality of life. So what does it look like to provide more than just the absence of the negative? What does it look like to provide the positive things a living being needs to thrive? How do we give our pets habitat complexity, dietary variation, humidity variation, access to infrared A and B, light gradients, training, enrichment, and choice? (Full credit to Reptiles and Research for that list.) I’d love to hear more on this! I know you’re typically a one man show - but if you ever partnered with channels like Animals at Home, Lori Torrini, JTB Reptiles, etc... I’d be so excited to see what great content that would produce!
Bam! Straight to the point and logical information with great examples. Great video!
thank you!
The channel growth is insane!!! Good job, keep doing what you do!
Thanks! Will do!
Spicy video after spicy video, huh? Love the content Adam!
thank you!!!!!
I agree with this video because even though I don’t have a reptile I have a cat and whilst he can hunt mice he wouldn’t survive because he’s so playful with any being he sees and doesn’t understand that a big loud being may want to hurt them
Great vid
thank you!
My Bearded Dragon passed away at 9 years old I think I gave him the best life I could give him. Many people told me Bearded Dragons don’t even make it to 9 years old in the wild and 9 is considered their senior years.
People think it’s cruel to own reptiles and I think life in general is cruel. Sooooo having a little cold blooded friend to make your life more entertaining while giving them a good home sounds like a win win in this cruel world.
bingo
Wow two other reptile RUclipsr references, the reptile RUclips expanded universe is growing.
:)
Congrats on 75k! It seems like 2 months ago you only had 50k! You'll be at 100k before you know it!
So close!
Another great video! I found your channel when I was educating myself before I got my gargoyle gecko and your channel has made me grow such a love for reptiles in general, not just geckos.
Can't wait for you to reach 1 million subscribers and beyond, you deserve it!
If anyone is unsure of what animal abuse truly is, here is an example: Reptiles By Mack (Big company that most Petcos/PetSmarts get there reptiles).
Great video! I think we are all here for the same reason : our passion and love for our little friends 💞
Absolutely!!
What I usually tell people as a human analogy is that it's like the difference between staying at an all-inclusive resort with room service where you're never allowed to leave your room or living your entire life being hunted by wolves, bears, insects, parasites, naked, in the woods with no tools or weapons to help you. Always waiting for something to eat you or your offspring, always scrounging and hoping for another bite to eat so that you don't starve to death. Battling hypothermia, dehydration, all of the above.
i agree with everything except the tick picture OTL I have a phobia of them and the sudden trigger freaked me out, rip. otherwise yea! Your opinions are super balanced and I find myself always agreeing with you!
WWR: i don't think you should keep alligators in your basement
me, a huge snake discovery fan: ANGRY SCROLLS TO MAKE A COMMENT
WWR: i'm not talking about snake discovery
me: ..... okay i still like this guy.
hahahahaha!
+10 points for the Metalocalypse reference 👌😂
Remember my older brother let me watch that back in the day.
yeah, that's pretty metal
Wow thank you so much for bringing us this kind of topic. The argument was very on point and eye-opening. Every video you posted made me love your channel more and more! Hope this channel will grow bigger than you’ve ever expected 😊
I appreciate that!
When you fail to provide for all your pet’s needs, it’s stops being a pet and starts being a prisoner. Some species need more care, and should only be in captivity if cared for by professions and if they for some reason can’t survive on their own. SnakeDiscovery’s gator was a rescue, and has stunted growth and was raised in captivity. She likely wouldn’t survive if released.
Animal abusers can die
Anti-captivity-extremists can die,
Adam is right and his views are the best
I personally think it’s not wrong and personally believe that a lot of captive animals enjoy life as long as it’s a good life. For example: I keep dart frogs and for a pair of green and blacks you need a 10 gallon. I have 3 and have a 75 gallon. Give them space and give them as close to the wild as you can without it being dangerous. The ultimate goal is they’re there for our entertainment and in return we need to give them a stress free happy life where the chance of disease or injury is low.
agreed!
I'm gonna come out and say that I'm very much FOR keeping reptiles/animals with proper and well-researched husbandry. Even for some endangered species, I believe it is important to figure out how to successfully perpetuate the species in captivity. The way I see it having healthy breeding populations of these animals in captivity could potentially save the species should the animals' native range undergo rapid change (Human-induced or otherwise) that could result in the extinction of a species. Animals like the Axolotl come to mind, were it not for a prolific captive population, it'd be highly endangered today some even believe it to be extinct in its native range. It does pain me, however, that not all breeders are what I'd considered moral, but I do hope that we can perpetuate species in captivity under expert care, even in small populations, for the days when those species become extinct in the wild.
Wow, "uploaded 4 seconds ago". That's a record for me.
Congrats!
:)
100% agree with you. as long as we take care of them accordingly it's defintiely not cruel
agreed
Very nicely summed up Adam with great points and simple facts. The key is in the husbandry and we (pet reptile keepers) are finally trending towards better care :-)
Thanks for the video, it helped me clear my mind. I’ve been debating about this lately since I really love keeping reptiles and wish to keep more intelligent and bigger reptiles in the future (only when I’m capable, and no crocodilian) but at the same time I’m a new vet student and a new recruit of a conservation organisation. I felt hypocritical that I criticize people keeping big cats and primates yet keep reptiles and even want big lizards myself. But I also know that those are different, while one is able to live happier in captivity the other cannot/is extremely hard to achieve. I just couldn’t put it into words and it made me feel guilty for a while.
I do not have a problem with most animals being kept in captivity,done right.
. Your assessment is correct. If you have not read t The Covenant Of The Wild,Why Animals Choose Domination: Stephan Budinsky, I'd suggest you do.
Speaking as an X wild rehabber,I'm going to add to what you said.. I agree that the carnage to those released into the wild would be horrific.
Some species would not be able to figure out what to eat and would starve.
Or not knowing what is safe, cause they were not fed a wild diet,might eat the wrong things and die.
Finding water and shelter would not be a walk in the park.
Havering lived in captivity,they would have no clue what a predictor was.Diamond's lack of reaction proves my point. Plus,the process of domestication modulates the animal's fight/flight response,which is why Diamond is so chill. A critter who sees something bigger than it's self and does not run or fly away is dinner.
Finding a mate and living with one's own kind would not,in many cases,be easy.
This pertains mainly to birds cause if they are hand raised,they imprint on humans and when they hit puberty,they will want to mate with humans.
(I have a red tailed hawk story on this if you want to read it/) .
They also won't know how to behave with their own kind and will often be rejected.
Mammals might approach humans for food,said humans think they have rabies,and kill them.
Birds approving the wrong human could also be killed..
When wildlife rehabbers release their charges,only half survive.
Those who are gradually introduced to the wild (called hacking out) often don't make it, even though they are wild. They simply cannot deal with such a massive change.
Diamond might last a couple months,as an example.
And then there are parrots. I personally think no large parrot should be kept in captivity.
There are lots of reasons,which you can research. Anyway, that's my take on it since I'm trying to keep this short and sweet. Ok,maybe not so sweet.
Anyone who wants to argue with me will be ignored.
Work at a wildlife shelter for one year and you will see what I mean.
Not if you do your reptile and other animals or treat them properly like humans or good people.
Also good video Watler
thanks!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve probably watched close to 30 of your videos now and I will say you deserve so much more popularity than you already have. Your method of making videos is absolutely captivating. My favorite youtubers are Snake Discovery, clints reptiles, the tarantula collective, and goherping. And now you. I would say you are DEFINITELY up there with them, keep up the amazing work man.
Diamond doesn’t wanna live in the wild because there is no tasty ears for him to monch on
Great video Adam! I agree 100% If we’re caring for these animals correctly, giving them appropriate food and water, interacting with them regularly and giving them the enrichment they need, they are living their best life.
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im so glad you mentioned the snake discovery thing because I love them and I love that you understand the unusual circumstances of Rex
Great video, loved the shade average Joe joke. As a steelers fan it tickled me
Glad you enjoyed, Johnny Manziel light this dude is
Next time you see a huge old sea turtle on TV just imagine the journey they went through made it to the water without getting eaten and survived the ocean and can get over 100 years..no thats a survival story
amazing right
Well.. I don’t think it’s animal abuse personally, like I said before in your comment section my friends and family all have reptiles. I love my reptiles! Another nice video, keep it up for your #1 fan!
Not a herp, but Red tailed hawks, only something like 1% of them actually survive their first year. Falconry is huge almost solely as a conservation method.
Oh I have been waiting for this!
:)
A great example as to why we cannot release all captive animals is what happened in multiple cases of people releasing minks from fur farms. As Adam listed above, most captive animals aren't used to the wild and so cannot hunt well nor do they know how to protect themselves, along with depleting resources in their area. This is exactly what happened. "Animal-rights Activists" thought they were saving minks from their local fur farms, but the opposite happened when almost all of them died and the bodies of the minks were scattered everywhere. It doesn't help either that minks are extremely territorial and started killing each other off, but for the ones who did manage to stay alive they ruined the ecosystems around them, especially in places they are either rarely found naturally or are non-native. From what I read it wasn't PETA's doing for most of these releases, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that some were.
If humans wouldnt keep pet animals no one would give a damn about nature anymore
BINGO!
In my recent obsession with common boas (false red tail boas, BCIs) I’ve come across your channel and I started binging your videos! Too be fair I do watch mostly just videos about large snakes, but even videos not relating to BCIs I’ve found myself watching, like this one! Anyways, you got a subscriber, looking forward to whatever you create! Besides the point but I’m hoping to get a BCI soon, my first proper snake, for my birthday :) gosh they’re so awesome
Great video! I totally agree with a lot of the points you made. I like how you brought up how some animals can’t be kept in captivity properly. Lots of who are not knowledgeable with reptiles compare a leopard gecko with a whale and that overall is not a good comparison. Loved the video!
one could argue that keeping snakes in tiny tubs for breeding purposes their whole life is cruel.
clearly you keep your animals so well and i love it
Thanks for this video!
I get how some people want to end animal cruelty and think places like zoos are terrible. And I understand that in an ideal world, those animals wouldn't need us to survive. But that's not the reality of things. What we need to change are regulations surrounding zoos so they put the animal's well-being before everything, not shut the place down itself (at least don't make it your first step). Because then, what you gonna do with all these animals? Some of them are wild, sure, but some of them were raised in captivity and don't have the same instincts as purely feral animals.
And we know what would happen if we released a bunch of animals loose: Burmese pythons in the Everglades x 1,000.
Also, you're getting good at plugging your sponsorships =].
Your wisdom just earned another subscriber.. keep up the great content
Awesome, thank you!
I’d argue that keeping reptiles is less cruel than parrots if you’re not emotionally available. Coming from someone with two budgies
indeed
Dethklok!!!! Brutal!!! I also get kind of peeved when owners intentionally piss off their bearded dragons so they can film them darkening their necks. Ugh.
same!
I agree with everything you said in this video, especially when it comes to the difference between a hard, dangerous life in the wild vs a relatively safe easy one in captivity.
However, I would put an asterisk on that to mention that is all coming from our human perspective. From the human perspective, yes, a well kept captive has a better and longer life. But the truth is we don't really know what animals are thinking. They may very well not think like us, may not see or even realize how much of a struggle life is. Because they're adapted for that life, they may not even view it as hard. We just don't know. Brains are so complex that I don't think we can assume all think alike but just at lower levels compared to humans.
So it's possible that we are actually harming animals by keeping them captive at all. And we may very well never even know that.
That being said... I don't think "might" is a good enough reason to not keep pets. I'd rather base it on our human understanding than a hypothetical "they might just not think like that" even though I acknowledge it's a possibility. Because it's equally and probably more possible that they really do just enjoy being waited on hand and foot by their simian slaves
Another reason is; reptiles like ballpythons have a simple brain so they don't have the mental problems (not big enough enclosure, not enough enrichment etc) like other animals in captivity.
indeed!
Most reptiles don't bother me in captivity, but I really hate when people treat primates as pets, even the little ones are too much for 99.99% of the population, and just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you can provide the complete care they need
Dude, Snake Discovery holds my heart, but all you do is reinforce the correct selections for reptiles, while sharing your own views, and linking them to other too rated hep channels. I LOVE IT
I am fairly certain I'm not so much keeping a reptile as he is keeping me as a servant. Oh my goodness I'm a dragon cult member! O-O
Video idea! Top 5 reasons to support local pet stores over petsmart/petco/chain pet stores. :)
Thank you for educating the masses brother. Keep up the good fight for the hobby we love. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
i’ve been digging these discussion vids. keep up the good work homeski
Thanks, will do!
My day just went from a horrible sick day to a happy day :D
True story
YAY!
Could you do a Black Mexican Kingsnake care guide?
To all the people who dont think hes right about this go live out in the wild for a month catching your own food drinking dirty water and tell me living inside a house isnt better
BINGO!
Does that you mean you also think wild caught is good? I think the question is whether we should breed animals in captivity at all, potentially into "cruel" conditions depending on your view. Not whether all captive animals should be released, no one with any kind of common sense would think that's good.
@@michaelcolbourn6719 we Arent Talking About Wild Caught Animals, the Commentor is Talking About the Vid and the Vid states That at The beggining
@@silentscales8631 yeah but the logic of the comment would suggest the same for wild caught. Cos if living in a box is better cos of those things he said, then that would apply to wild animals, not just captive bread ones. To only apply that to captive bred animals would be a special pleading fallacy.
@@michaelcolbourn6719 "To all the People who don't Think Hes Right" already with that he means About what The Vid is Talking About, And Since the Vid Clearly Stated that They are *Not* Talking about wild Caught animals, then that Means That his Comment has Nothing to do with Wild Caught Animals, as he is Talking about the Opinions of the Vidio which tañk about Captive bred Animals and Not Wild Caught
Awesome video! I don't 100% agree with your viewpoint but it's still cool to hear your thoughts and opinions.
That's why I give my animals more space than they need, my russian tortoise table is 10ft by 12ft
that is so awesome!
I love that you took time to answer this question and also that you did it in a way that respects those that have asked the question. Even if some people have extreme belief, one can always try to answer then sensibly and respectfully. Otherwise, how could they learn. And anyway they maybe some reason behind their beliefs as well.
:)
I gave you the like in the first 5 seconds of video. I knew it was going to be good and you never disappoint. Thanks Adam for your educational videos.
Life is very cruel...I was traveling in a day trip from Whitehorse to Watson Lake for work. I saw a fox on the side of the road that has been hit by a vehicle. It was curled up likely unable to move. There was three Ravens just there, waiting for it to die so they can eat. It could have easily injured itself doing anything so ignore the fact it was hot by a vehicle... Life is very very cruel and doesn't care about feelings. Just some perspective
I’m gonna be real. My answer is no but yeah. If you can’t make an adequate habitat for the animal in captivity then yes. Like orcas? Nah fam we can’t give them what we need or at least we haven’t yet. But snakes, most lizards etc. most definitely these can be kept completely fine. I’ll even dare to disagree that some, some and again SOME species can be wild caught and transition just fine to captivity for example, American toads do really well. They don’t need a lot of space they eat bugs and have really easy to replicate requirements now don’t everyone go catch a toad, because obviously the wild population is important and shouldn’t be tampered with excessively but the toads themselves as individuals? They do pretty good.
"bring me worms, peasant" got me 😂😂😂
hahaha
I wish I could be treated half as good as my pets.
same
Would love a video, about things you wished you knew before you got reptiles updated!
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Okay, but I mean, they don't even have to worry about the next time that they're going to eat. In the wild, my beardie, gecko, skink, and snakes wouldn't know when they'd eat again. They'd most likely have parasites, and other issues, where in captivity, they're spoiled, fed all the time, and kept clean. However, I've seen neglectful reptile keepers with adult bearded dragons in 10 gallon tanks with no uvb. Obviously stunted growth and mbd, plus the keeper had no idea that it was female or could brumate and lay eggs. Pretty much, if a responsible owner/keeper does their research, you get healthy, happy, captive babies. But there are always going to be the irresponsible ones out there too.
I think the biggest things for anyone who decides to bring an animal into their home (reptile, mammal, whatever) are the awareness and appreciation for what an animal needs in order to thrive (not just survive), an honest acknowledgement of what your skills and abilities are as their caretaker, and an understanding of how to obtain an animal in an ethical manner (as well as support those who practice proper animal husbandry and honestly care for their animals and want their best homes possible for their progeny).
Did anyone else think of Seaworld when he said you can’t keep orcas in captivity
I live 20 minutes from Marineland. Basically hell on earth for the animals they have there.
@@WickensWickedReptiles yeah it’s really messed up
Also cruel (in my opinion), buy a reptile (or bing them from the wild) but having no idea how to take care of them, how they behave, what & how much they eat and at the end resell them because the reptile is "broken".
This is how I got my two Tracheloptychus petersi.
That isn't even a joke, the person, where originally caught them from the wild & brought them to my country, thought really they where broken because they didn't wanted eat (those lizards are very picky & weak eater and don't really like crickets ) & where buried all the time and then sold it to a pet shop. (at least to a very good reptile pet shop where they really care about the animals.)
12:10 amazing ! Did not know diamond could teleport!
He’s a magician
I like the magical teleporting beardie in this video. There one second, gone the next, then back again.
There's a reason most reptiles kept in captivity have way longer average life spans than their wild counterparts.
The same goes if every human went back to "wild" alot wouldn't survive, they wouldn't known where to get food without a grocery store or restaurant. Wouldn't hown to survive the elements etc.
True.
I can survive in "the wild" because of where and how I was raised and the skills I learned over the years through various sources and I'm not saying that theoretically. Every few years I put myself to the test for a week or 2 to make sure I can still survive out in the woods without access to shit we all take for granted and the older I get, the more I hope to never find myself in that situation out of necessity instead of as part of some weird "ritual" I voluntarily take part in. Now that I've hit 40 (fml) I doubt I'll be doing any more dead of winter survival practice runs; pretty sure I'd rather die than be forced to live outdoors in freezing temps lol. No way would I consider myself a survivalist expert but I have no doubt I'd do a lot better than the vast majority of my peers, through little fault of their own. Seems to never cross a lot of people's minds that they'd need to find other options if everything went to shit and there were no more stores, restaurants, utilities, etc.