Middle class women of a certain age who have the status to be in celebrity master chef are the only women who have enough status, power and life experience to be ABLE to speak out. The 20 year old intern won`t say anything for fear of loosing the opportunity to work in TV ever again.
I'm a 50 something male and interacted with over 8000 women in a 25yr events career. Not a single complaint ! Never mind 13 ffs. He's morally uncalibrated ... 🇬🇧
how do you know if there has not been 50 complaints against you that your employer has deemed totally frivilous tittle tattle and not worthy of investigation ?
Do "men think oh here we go again, why is there this pile on"? I can only speak for myself, but as reported I find Wallace's behaviour gross, and completely unacceptable in any workplace environment.
Well maybe he will (has/have) destroyed his career, self-sabotaged catastrophically, impaired his mental health irrevocably, become a hated pariah to people "of a certain" offence-seeking ideology, and had the unimaginable experience of being front page news in, shall we say, sub-optimal circumstances Isn't that sufficient? Something tells me it won't be?
I didn't think that either. At all. Why generalise in such a ridiculous manner? Emily must choose the men she interacts with better if that's how they think.
Speaking as a man of his age, I am NOT on his side. To be clear? I was and am not a MasterChef viewer and he is the key reason. I find his behaviour unacceptable.
I remember getting a promotion to a job I really wanted. As soon as I started, on my first day my boss was making sexualised inappropriate jokes and it was soul-destroying.
@bigbinji6145 You think you're some kind of moral judge on the banter front, or have the capability to request then disect, evaluate & determine what may offend someone...??? Jog on fella...for everyone's sake...smdfh. 🙄
Sir Terry Wogan, the nicest & wisest of people in the showbiz & entertainment industry, during his Radio 2 breakfast show, was often & memorably on-air critical of Wallace... Both Terry & his TOG listeners saw straight thru' all of Wallace's on-screen barrow-boy banter, with Terry questioning just how did this mouthy vegetable seller with no professional experience in catering or cooking end up in a position of judging on one of the BBC's best food shows...& Terry was absolutely spot-on about Wallace. 🙏
CB-kh8lr. Is it because, using your comment here as an example, you do not know how to structure or write a coherent sentence & therefore no one at the BBC would know what the heck you are waffling on about...? 🙄🤔😴
Middle class women of a certain age who have the status to be in celebrity master chef are the only women who have enough status, power and life experience to be ABLE to speak out. The 20 year old intern won`t say anything for fear of loosing the opportunity to work in TV ever again.
On his factory show, Greg had such an unwarranted, bitter attack on an Asian man, it left him speechless. It stank of racism and his East End white greengrocer background at that age does associate with that. I did spend a lot of years in that Essex /East London region so I amy be attuned to that attitude and was very pleased to get right away from it. Nobody picked him up on that. Maybe I should have attempted it, but the BBC need a lot of complaints before they take anything seriously. Anyway, for my money Greg is poison.
The same factory show that Nestle have now just confirmed they contacted both the BBC & the production company 18 months ago regarding Wallace's unacceptable behavior whilst in their York factory filming.... I hope they publish the letter to find out who it was addressed to at the BBC & what actions/inactions this person took with Wallace... I get the feeling he was yet another alpha male wannabe celeb who'd got the Beeb absolutely sussed & was letching & mouthing-off to women knowing full-well he'd get away with it & never factor'd in the might of Kirsty Wark or Kirstie Allsopp..💪
possibly, but then proceeds to do it herself, men are saying they're victims, saying women are harridans. Literally nobody is saying this, just the voices in her head.
I thought he was the Scottish bloke Mel Gibson played with a blue face in that awful film? Wondered what the connection was with a cooking programme. Didn’t Wallace get hung, drawn and quartered? History repeating itself?😊
I totally agree with Emily. This is precisely the reason we thought Pres Biden pardoned his son. I guess it wasn't an easy decision to make but in the end, gods know what Trump would have done to Hunter Biden.
The Justice System in this Country is also in a dreadful state the Post Office Victims still have not received justice & the perpetrators have not been charged ,that is a far more important issue for us than Donald Trump for God's sake !
A bit of a sweeping statement, Emily. Judging by my experience on social media there are plenty of women sticking up for Wallace and plenty of men think Wallace has only himself to blame.
I was sexually harassed/assaulted out of three jobs by the time I was 27 so went freelance. Still facing inappropriate comments but at least I'm not in an office so won't be pulled onto a sixty-year-old man's lap or have my hair stroked while I'm standing at the photocopier.
@@isobelbrookhaslam9547 I think the reason for the post was because Sopel initially said the criticism of Huw Edwards was unfair and that he'd done nothing illegal (when he had). Then when the nature of his offences came to light Jon was strangely silent. I'd guess the poster is implying that Jon should maybe sit the Gregg Wallace debate out given his behaviour over Edwards.
Since when was being rude, intimidating, crass, sexist, ageist, and a bully, the sign of masculinity? It’s a sign of weakness surly? Feeling the need to leverage your power as ‘the talent’ like this shows a weakness of character and fundamental lack of confidence. His role as ‘the voice of the ordinary bloke’ among all the culinary experts and award winning chefs, gives him angst over his inadequacy. It’s easy isn’t it? Simply apply the ‘do-as-you-would-be-done-by’ rule. How happy would he be if a man behaved like this to his daughter? Or his young wife? He’d be wanting to swing for them wouldn’t he?
The BBC wrote the book on tolerating bad behaviour. Emily is right- women are not horrified nor are we surprised. Everyone is fed up of this type of behaviour, women don't like it and men don't either. If I were a bloke I'd be relieved that to some extent and in some work environments, I no longer had to play up to this type of juvenile conduct. I'm sure most men despite this type of bloke as much as their female colleagues do.
It reallly seems that the world of (uyes, middle class) celebrity and media are the only ones terribly upset by Gregg Wallace's comments. In the scheme of things, given the state of the world and what people are experiencing in Gaza , the Ukraine and Sudan and elsewhere, where is the perspective?
Emily makes valid points. Having done research into bullying and harassment the reactions on x seen on Sunday and Monday were typical of someone who has been called out - Victim Blaming, Gaslighting and DARVO.
Although i'm now retired i was fortunate to work for a Company that did not tolerate this sort of behavior...and i have too much respect for women to act in that way .
Please do not tar all men with the same brush Em, I, as a 56y/o male, would never dream of doing & saying the things that GW said over the weekend. I am not a fan of Andrew Tate and all of those other no hopers who call themselves alpha males or any of that sh*te.I am by no means perfect but i do not feel challenged by women expressing themselves, I am not transphobic or anti LGBTQ+ but I am very respectful of others & views. So please don't say men will etc etc; undoubtedly some will but not all of us.
I don't think the metoo movement has "helped" men- I think it was handled badly like many progressive movements where it becomes more about individuals' vitriol in online spaces than it does about how to solve the actual issue and very predictably is met with a backlash or "culture war" partisan response.
There has been a revolution in Korea and we’re worried about an elderly minor television presenter with dated views. It feels like the media has lost perspective. Somehow you two have hung a half hour on this.
Not all men agree with Greg, nor do I think I can't say anything. Simply put, you can 'banter' but just make sure you know the women you're around and that they are comfortable with your sense of humour. Doesn't even seem like he was making jokes for a lot of the complaints, just strange stories
By the sounds of it he was making crass jokes and boasting about his younger wife and he would intimidate anyone not laughing. I don't think it just a case of being comfortable with his sense of humour, it seems it was relentless and the people subject to it couldn't escape it.
I've despised Wallace and everything he represents since he first appeared on TV...and now his arrogantly grinning gob haunts me. I find him totally devoid of any talent other than being a shallow figurehead for the TV world to make money from. I hope he's been well and truly found out and he 's demonised for the rest of his time. He'll no doubt be offered some dodgy job by a right wing benefactor....but that's certainly not going to make him a better person.
Sadly for Melanie Sykes, it is likely nothing will be done to punish Greg and he'll probably get another job soon enough and be able to move on whereas she is being demonised for speaking out as if she is the one with a nasty vendetta against Greg 🤦🏼. The trial by social media is also to blame for a lot of the woeful negative reactions towards the women speaking out.
Great debate! Thank you. Now I understand why John Terode looked so on edge despite his abilities and experience. Why is it thought acceptable for Wallace to be absent/not included in one Master Chef The Professionals broadcast episode a week? So bizarre! Why is the inclusion of two experienced chef-presenters not sufficient? Dig deeper. Please.
I remember my pal got a job fresh out of school in around year 2000 when he was 17. He worked in a factory. There were gangs of older women making comments about having a 'younger man' around and he told me it made him uncomfortable, and this was almost 25 years ago. Just saying, it can work both ways. In that era, you just got told to man the f*ck up, especially as a male, no matter how young or inexperienced in the workplace you were.
It sounded idyllic...All those older women clucking over him like mother hens...what a fabulous first job to have had, & what a twonk that he did not fully embrace & enjoy all the attention....
There have been nonces throughout time. Wallace’s alleged behaviour has been unacceptable for decades. I’m older than him and this sort of abuse has never been tolerated.
Thank you for covering this. It is nice to hear voices of reason. Especially a male voice of reason!! Looking at comments online to see men defend this behavior was expected. It's the women defending it that is heartbreaking 😢
He just sounds really annoying and innapropriate rather than predatory. But then the BBC won't do anything about changing this kind of behaviour unless the pressure is on
I have not watched some of the programmes he's presented because he was presenting them - programmes, including MC, that I was actually interested in but I just couldn't stand to see or listen to him. A wrong 'un in many ways.
"...men think here we go again..." All men. No, a lot of men think he was weird and a bit creepy. Strange to see Emily blame all men. She is usually so unbiased and level headed on this stuff.........
If you are absolutely not like all these men, that`s great. Did you speak out, when you witnessed behavior like that from other men? Do you go to HR when you see other men behaving like Greg? Because that´s what it would take to not be like him: You standing up against men who behave like that at every opportunity.
I used to think “not all men”, but 60 years on the planet has taught me that it kind of is! Not all men behave like this, but of the ones who don’t very very few will actually speak out when they witness such behaviour. And in not speaking out they are complicit. I can count on one hand the number of men I know who actually would speak out, and that’s from the hundreds of men I’ve known, worked with, and/or had friendships with. It’s very disappointing.
Ever had a female boss come onto you, and felt powerless to do anything because no one would either believe you, or you've been threatened with losing hours, your job or they'll claim you harrassed them? I have. No difference, except society and the law will back her and laugh at me/you without question (literally). Plenty of men get sexually harrassed at work. A lot of women aren't as weak or powerless as they would have you believe. The ones in power are there for a reason, and it's not because they're weak and defenseless.
Emily is right about Trump and the law. I think they’re going to. We’re going to see at the end of the first term of Trump that he or whoever is in charge of the GOP will continue, meaning Trump or Vance will not leave. it’s not a conspiracy it’s probably gonna be an actuality and that’s terrifying.
How does he get a fair hearing? This is all over the media, so many making statements in public. Guilty or innocent with all this detail being publicly broadcast, how can anyone make a clear unpredgerdiced decision?????
“Men” do not all feel the same way, as women don’t. I resent that ‘oh here comes the pile on’ construction, Emily. This creature doesn’t represent “men” .
A spectacular lack of taste and decorum can’t be remedied - the die is cast in most of us by the time we’ve grown into adulthood so the hirers of such people should perhaps be questioning their motives.
20:25 It's not "like the black and white dress". That was definitive. It could be proven to be one or the other. It wasn't a subjective problem. It's not a mystery.
The power relationships between men such as Trump, Putin, Musk, Epstine and women is clearly unequal, yes. However, most men are being judged upon such power inequalities when they don’t possess the same power as Trump, Putin, Tate, Musk, etc.. In fact, many men might be quite powerless. We are having our “masculines” challenged as punishment for power we do not possess or exercise over women. Most men are sick of being punished for things powerful men do to or say about women. Don’t assume all men possess the same level of power over women. Don’t assume that women don’t have power over men too.
it's easy to say think about it before you hit post but nobody else will. Social media moves at great speed. It won't wait for Greg or the BBC to have their say.
I have to say that he is being hounded beyond belief . He did bury himself with his own shovel though. Far too much attention is being directed at him when there are far more important matters domestically and internationally to discuss. Useful red herring
Do me a favour Kirsty Wark has plenty of power herself to have called this out in the moment or immediately afterwards and has waited 12 years to say something. Pathetic
Why is it always assumed that women don't speak out and submit a complaint to the revelevant people at the time? Do you really believe one woman is likely to be listened to against a money making celebrity?
These women are not victims are they? There’s been no crime committed? Feeling uncomfortable is not something that should mean you’re in trouble. This whole thing isn’t a serious story at all.
@@GorgeDawes I don’t understand why you want things that aren’t criminal to be policed as if they are, he’s an embarrassing David Brent type character who I don’t much enjoy watching on TV. People have come forward now saying he sexually assaulted them, I hope he’s dealt with as severely as possible should these allegations be true as this is completely unacceptable. Making some jokes in poor taste should not mean you lose your job however!
Emily, are you only describing and representing women in the media and Television? Expand your opportunities and make a wider difference. If not, what are you talking about changing. ?
Get a life this is trivia and you are milking it for all it's worth. If he's guilty he does not deserve this shitstorm. If the offended people had spoken up at the time he probably would have modified his behaviour. You epitomise what is wrong with the media. I find your smug authority awful.
Lets be honest, Wallace has only issued an apology because the penny has just dropped that he is shooting his career in the foot. Personally I've always found him to be an irritating presenter, a motormouth who makes me switch channels as soon as he appears.....I won't be missing him if he doesn't come back.
MeToo needs to balance back to some level of centre as a father of two daughters they’re frustrated by guys being overly sensitive. Not a clue how they or a young fella navigates right now. Don’t get me wrong there’s complete aholes out there but societal norms should be for the majority of& not the loud minority.
He clearly behaved badly but its on the BBC to steer/amend this stuff. I wouldn't go to Sopel/Maitlis for moral advice on this subject though, the self righteousness is somewhat sickening and in a weird way I see them as just as toxic as him.
Middle class women of a certain age who have the status to be in celebrity master chef are the only women who have enough status, power and life experience to be ABLE to speak out. The 20 year old intern won`t say anything for fear of loosing the opportunity to work in TV ever again.
FACTS
Totally agree.
Exactly, why are people ignoring this fact ?
* losing
This is where the potatoes jammed-up the exhaust pipe(s) of the rude celeb's car works every time...& no excuses on a cooking TV show...!?!
I'm a 50 something male and interacted with over 8000 women in a 25yr events career. Not a single complaint ! Never mind 13 ffs. He's morally uncalibrated ... 🇬🇧
Oooooo interacted over....I've heard it called lots of things but never interacted over. You are awful.😅😅😅😅😅😅
How dare you count women, like they are sheep or something!
Are you hetrosexual or homosexual?
how do you know if there has not been 50 complaints against you that your employer has deemed totally frivilous tittle tattle and not worthy of investigation ?
@doverivermedia3937 Ben, we all know why.
Saying “I’m sorry you’re offended” isn’t apologising. It puts the emphasis on the reaction, rather than being accountable.
It was more of a PR exercise than an apology
@@davdt437a really bad PR exercise at that
Offence is taken; not given...
From the "I'm sorry if you were offended when I called your wife a ditzy fat cow who shouldn't be let out of the attic" school of apologies.
Do "men think oh here we go again, why is there this pile on"? I can only speak for myself, but as reported I find Wallace's behaviour gross, and completely unacceptable in any workplace environment.
Well maybe he will (has/have) destroyed his career, self-sabotaged catastrophically, impaired his mental health irrevocably, become a hated pariah to people "of a certain" offence-seeking ideology, and had the unimaginable experience of being front page news in, shall we say, sub-optimal circumstances
Isn't that sufficient?
Something tells me it won't be?
Why?
I'm with you Will, I didn't think that either
I didn't think that either. At all. Why generalise in such a ridiculous manner? Emily must choose the men she interacts with better if that's how they think.
Unfortunately there are men that think that way and it can be easy as a man to not come across this type of attitude, but it's there.
Speaking as a man of his age, I am NOT on his side. To be clear? I was and am not a MasterChef viewer and he is the key reason. I find his behaviour unacceptable.
I stopped watching because I couldn't stand him.
I’ve never watched a full MC episode because of him.
Cry me a river.
@@jamesjarrett52Oh James. I bet you'd be a hit with the ladies, if only they could bear to be near you.
I remember getting a promotion to a job I really wanted. As soon as I started, on my first day my boss was making sexualised inappropriate jokes and it was soul-destroying.
Was she an Alpha Female?
You got a fragile soul.
You left us all on a cliffhanger there Ruth...How did it all eventually work out for yourself...???
give us a sample of these ''jokes''
@bigbinji6145 You think you're some kind of moral judge on the banter front, or have the capability to request then disect, evaluate & determine what may offend someone...???
Jog on fella...for everyone's sake...smdfh. 🙄
Sir Terry Wogan, the nicest & wisest of people in the showbiz & entertainment industry, during his Radio 2 breakfast show, was often & memorably on-air critical of Wallace... Both Terry & his TOG listeners saw straight thru' all of Wallace's on-screen barrow-boy banter, with Terry questioning just how did this mouthy vegetable seller with no professional experience in catering or cooking end up in a position of judging on one of the BBC's best food shows...& Terry was absolutely spot-on about Wallace. 🙏
I never liked TW horses for courses
TW I never took too!
Theres a reason, an outrageous one that I'd never write down and everyone in the BBC knows about.
CB-kh8lr. Is it because, using your comment here as an example, you do not know how to structure or write a coherent sentence & therefore no one at the BBC would know what the heck you are waffling on about...? 🙄🤔😴
@@_Ben4810who doesn't love a riddle? 😅
Women of a certain age would have experienced abuse and verbal sexism in the 70’s and therefore have no tolerance for it.
Middle class women of a certain age who have the status to be in celebrity master chef are the only women who have enough status, power and life experience to be ABLE to speak out. The 20 year old intern won`t say anything for fear of loosing the opportunity to work in TV ever again.
Women still experience it today.
@ they do, but it takes a few years to understand its not acceptable imo.
Exactly! Been there, heard it and survived it…
If Lisa faulkner said no to john, would the me too brigade be destroying him too for daring to ask out Lisa?
On his factory show, Greg had such an unwarranted, bitter attack on an Asian man, it left him speechless. It stank of racism and his East End white greengrocer background at that age does associate with that. I did spend a lot of years in that Essex /East London region so I amy be attuned to that attitude and was very pleased to get right away from it. Nobody picked him up on that. Maybe I should have attempted it, but the BBC need a lot of complaints before they take anything seriously. Anyway, for my money Greg is poison.
The same factory show that Nestle have now just confirmed they contacted both the BBC & the production company 18 months ago regarding Wallace's unacceptable behavior whilst in their York factory filming....
I hope they publish the letter to find out who it was addressed to at the BBC & what actions/inactions this person took with Wallace... I get the feeling he was yet another alpha male wannabe celeb who'd got the Beeb absolutely sussed & was letching & mouthing-off to women knowing full-well he'd get away with it & never factor'd in the might of Kirsty Wark or Kirstie Allsopp..💪
Emily is entirely correct about the dog whistle
possibly, but then proceeds to do it herself, men are saying they're victims, saying women are harridans. Literally nobody is saying this, just the voices in her head.
I must be the only person who had never heard of Gregg Wallace...
Lucky you 🍀
lol
I hadn't either and I don't think I missed much
I thought he was the Scottish bloke Mel Gibson played with a blue face in that awful film? Wondered what the connection was with a cooking programme. Didn’t Wallace get hung, drawn and quartered? History repeating itself?😊
I totally agree with Emily. This is precisely the reason we thought Pres Biden pardoned his son. I guess it wasn't an easy decision to make but in the end, gods know what Trump would have done to Hunter Biden.
The Justice System in this Country is also in a dreadful state the Post Office Victims still have not received justice & the perpetrators have not been charged ,that is a far more important issue for us than Donald Trump for God's sake !
A bit of a sweeping statement, Emily. Judging by my experience on social media there are plenty of women sticking up for Wallace and plenty of men think Wallace has only himself to blame.
Typical Emily..shes vile
I was sexually harassed/assaulted out of three jobs by the time I was 27 so went freelance. Still facing inappropriate comments but at least I'm not in an office so won't be pulled onto a sixty-year-old man's lap or have my hair stroked while I'm standing at the photocopier.
Why is it still the main news after a whole week ?
Greg decided to keep it going with his insults and non apology
@janwynne-woodhouse5144 * Gregg
Does Huw Edwards allegedly sexually harassing young male staff count as “inappropriate behaviour”?
Of course.
@@isobelbrookhaslam9547 I think the reason for the post was because Sopel initially said the criticism of Huw Edwards was unfair and that he'd done nothing illegal (when he had). Then when the nature of his offences came to light Jon was strangely silent. I'd guess the poster is implying that Jon should maybe sit the Gregg Wallace debate out given his behaviour over Edwards.
Since when was being rude, intimidating, crass, sexist, ageist, and a bully, the sign of masculinity?
It’s a sign of weakness surly?
Feeling the need to leverage your power as ‘the talent’ like this shows a weakness of character and fundamental lack of confidence.
His role as ‘the voice of the ordinary bloke’ among all the culinary experts and award winning chefs, gives him angst over his inadequacy.
It’s easy isn’t it?
Simply apply the ‘do-as-you-would-be-done-by’ rule.
How happy would he be if a man behaved like this to his daughter? Or his young wife? He’d be wanting to swing for them wouldn’t he?
The word that comes to mind is 'desperate'.
Two words; Gordon Ramsay...
The BBC wrote the book on tolerating bad behaviour. Emily is right- women are not horrified nor are we surprised. Everyone is fed up of this type of behaviour, women don't like it and men don't either. If I were a bloke I'd be relieved that to some extent and in some work environments, I no longer had to play up to this type of juvenile conduct. I'm sure most men despite this type of bloke as much as their female colleagues do.
It reallly seems that the world of (uyes, middle class) celebrity and media are the only ones terribly upset by Gregg Wallace's comments. In the scheme of things, given the state of the world and what people are experiencing in Gaza , the Ukraine and Sudan and elsewhere, where is the perspective?
Emily makes valid points. Having done research into bullying and harassment the reactions on x seen on Sunday and Monday were typical of someone who has been called out - Victim Blaming, Gaslighting and DARVO.
Why can't both of his statements be true? At the time he made them?
Five stages:
denial,
anger,
bargaining, depression,
and acceptance.
I think zero tolerance really just means that you try to be a decent human being by not making people feel uncomfortable.
Kay Burley is a great example of someone not getting cancelled
Won’t someone please stand up for the poor oppressed rich white guys.
Women are so tired of this BS. An apology just doesn't cut it any more.
We're all tired of this BS....
It wasn't even an apology. He didn't own up to anything.
Although i'm now retired i was fortunate to work for a Company that did not tolerate this sort of behavior...and i have too much respect for women to act in that way .
When you are in a hole, stop digging...
Yes! 🙄
🤜🤛
Jon Sopel is the same guy that was defending Huw Edwards initially...what a tosspot.
To be fair they were colleagues for decades
He didn’t know that about him
Exactly. How can someone with such bad judgement sit there and criticise anyone.
They both did
Exactly...The BBC r-soles.
Re Biden ; thank you Emily you are clearly correct ❤
Please do not tar all men with the same brush Em, I, as a 56y/o male, would never dream of doing & saying the things that GW said over the weekend. I am not a fan of Andrew Tate and all of those other no hopers who call themselves alpha males or any of that sh*te.I am by no means perfect but i do not feel challenged by women expressing themselves, I am not transphobic or anti LGBTQ+ but I am very respectful of others & views. So please don't say men will etc etc; undoubtedly some will but not all of us.
The same.
No sympathy for him
So glad you brought up Clarkson.
I don't think the metoo movement has "helped" men- I think it was handled badly like many progressive movements where it becomes more about individuals' vitriol in online spaces than it does about how to solve the actual issue and very predictably is met with a backlash or "culture war" partisan response.
What a bizarre character the Bellowing Grocer is, its like someone fed every sexist comedian and TV host from the 70s into an AI
There has been a revolution in Korea and we’re worried about an elderly minor television presenter with dated views. It feels like the media has lost perspective. Somehow you two have hung a half hour on this.
Hi Emily, I'm a man of a certain age (68) and I have no sympathy for Wallace whatsoever.
Go away!
“Men think…” really?
Not all men agree with Greg, nor do I think I can't say anything. Simply put, you can 'banter' but just make sure you know the women you're around and that they are comfortable with your sense of humour. Doesn't even seem like he was making jokes for a lot of the complaints, just strange stories
By the sounds of it he was making crass jokes and boasting about his younger wife and he would intimidate anyone not laughing. I don't think it just a case of being comfortable with his sense of humour, it seems it was relentless and the people subject to it couldn't escape it.
I've despised Wallace and everything he represents since he first appeared on TV...and now his arrogantly grinning gob haunts me. I find him totally devoid of any talent other than being a shallow figurehead for the TV world to make money from. I hope he's been well and truly found out and he 's demonised for the rest of his time. He'll no doubt be offered some dodgy job by a right wing benefactor....but that's certainly not going to make him a better person.
@@starmersbarber why bring right wing into it ?
@@starmersbarberWhat did he represent on his first day that caused you to despise him?
Sadly for Melanie Sykes, it is likely nothing will be done to punish Greg and he'll probably get another job soon enough and be able to move on whereas she is being demonised for speaking out as if she is the one with a nasty vendetta against Greg 🤦🏼. The trial by social media is also to blame for a lot of the woeful negative reactions towards the women speaking out.
He's done for. He'll be lucky if his agent can get him a spot reviewing the newspapers on GB News...
She lost her work back then because she was arrested for beating up her boyfriend
She’s a mess and a hypocrite
A great example of “The pile on”
...& deservedly so. 🙄
Huw Edward’s …….not in jail……How?
Perhaps read the trial proceedings.
Never getting cancelled? What about Schofield , Fox, Wootton, Calvin Robinson?
Greg, if you're too stressed to be reasonable, stop talking
Great debate! Thank you. Now I understand why John Terode looked so on edge despite his abilities and experience. Why is it thought acceptable for Wallace to be absent/not included in one Master Chef The Professionals broadcast episode a week? So bizarre! Why is the inclusion of two experienced chef-presenters not sufficient? Dig deeper. Please.
I remember my pal got a job fresh out of school in around year 2000 when he was 17. He worked in a factory. There were gangs of older women making comments about having a 'younger man' around and he told me it made him uncomfortable, and this was almost 25 years ago. Just saying, it can work both ways. In that era, you just got told to man the f*ck up, especially as a male, no matter how young or inexperienced in the workplace you were.
It sounded idyllic...All those older women clucking over him like mother hens...what a fabulous first job to have had, & what a twonk that he did not fully embrace & enjoy all the attention....
There have been nonces throughout time. Wallace’s alleged behaviour has been unacceptable for decades. I’m older than him and this sort of abuse has never been tolerated.
Thank you for covering this. It is nice to hear voices of reason. Especially a male voice of reason!! Looking at comments online to see men defend this behavior was expected. It's the women defending it that is heartbreaking 😢
You look at the evil in the world and this is what's making headlines the world is insane
The irony of these 2 opining on Wallace having made massive excuses for a paedo is striking
Are you deleting comments ?
Why is the BBC been draw into this. They don’t make the programme.
I have just written several replies but none of them has shown up here! No more interaction.
They were very dull comments so hardly surprising you had no interaction...😴
He just sounds really annoying and innapropriate rather than predatory. But then the BBC won't do anything about changing this kind of behaviour unless the pressure is on
That's not an apology! It's a copout.
Greg needs to convert to a born again christian like another celebrity?????
Right on brand.
Jon sopel defended huw edwards 😂
Are we we applying todays standards to yesterdays man...........
I have not watched some of the programmes he's presented because he was presenting them - programmes, including MC, that I was actually interested in but I just couldn't stand to see or listen to him. A wrong 'un in many ways.
Same here!
Never been so interested and annoyed by two people talking
"...men think here we go again..." All men. No, a lot of men think he was weird and a bit creepy. Strange to see Emily blame all men. She is usually so unbiased and level headed on this stuff.........
Hi Gregg, is that you 👋😂
If you are absolutely not like all these men, that`s great. Did you speak out, when you witnessed behavior like that from other men? Do you go to HR when you see other men behaving like Greg? Because that´s what it would take to not be like him: You standing up against men who behave like that at every opportunity.
Mad Maitlis unbiased 😂😂
Biden is a nuclear hypocrite - Trump can simply look for something 11 years ago or from 2025. Hunter Biden will do something 😂😂
I used to think “not all men”, but 60 years on the planet has taught me that it kind of is!
Not all men behave like this, but of the ones who don’t very very few will actually speak out when they witness such behaviour. And in not speaking out they are complicit.
I can count on one hand the number of men I know who actually would speak out, and that’s from the hundreds of men I’ve known, worked with, and/or had friendships with. It’s very disappointing.
And it’s perfectly ok for women on breakfast and daytime TV to flirt and make innuendo with no consequences.
Where’s John Torode’s voice in all of this? I feel he is complicit.
Complicit.
Ever had a female boss come onto you, and felt powerless to do anything because no one would either believe you, or you've been threatened with losing hours, your job or they'll claim you harrassed them? I have. No difference, except society and the law will back her and laugh at me/you without question (literally).
Plenty of men get sexually harrassed at work. A lot of women aren't as weak or powerless as they would have you believe. The ones in power are there for a reason, and it's not because they're weak and defenseless.
funny how you hear from all these people now , seems like a witch hunt , a lot of muck raking going on
Wallace behaviour is inexcusable he needs to learn from his actions without being criticised
What ever happened to gentle men...
feminism killed him off
The presenter has no right to make this a man vs woman debate. She's completely wrong to do this.
Emily is right about Trump and the law. I think they’re going to. We’re going to see at the end of the first term of Trump that he or whoever is in charge of the GOP will continue, meaning Trump or Vance will not leave. it’s not a conspiracy it’s probably gonna be an actuality and that’s terrifying.
do a news agents edition
about Grooming Gangs
30! Years untouchable.
Oh yeah
Awkward Question ❓
Self Censoring like always
How does he get a fair hearing? This is all over the media, so many making statements in public. Guilty or innocent with all this detail being publicly broadcast, how can anyone make a clear unpredgerdiced decision?????
Unprejudiced.
Gino DiCaprio must be quaking in his boots
Why?
Who ? Is that Leo's brother ?
“Men” do not all feel the same way, as women don’t. I resent that ‘oh here comes the pile on’ construction, Emily.
This creature doesn’t represent “men” .
Why is it always the BBC?
It’s not the BBC. The show is made by totally separate production company.
Well I know people who had issue with him when he was doing a show on Channel 5. It's NOT always the BBC. Schofield wasn't on the BBC.
@@stevehaskey Can’t have been much of an issue a Channel 5.
@ you wait, give it a little time.
@ Time will show that the news cycle has moved on.
What a Wally ! Don't want him on my TV this Christmas! No thanks!
Hunter’s pardon covers the period of his business interests in Ukraine that may implicate his father.
He pardoned Hunter before drumpf took office.
To me Greg Wallace's alleged behaviour sounds , at the very least , unprofessional. Does that not mean anything in show business?
Any father would do the same...wrong yes...but not unexpected
A spectacular lack of taste and decorum can’t be remedied - the die is cast in most of us by the time we’ve grown into adulthood so the hirers of such people should perhaps be questioning their motives.
I haven’t followed this “story” much, what with the imminent global war and multiple ongoing genocides in the world…
Did this man break the law..?
Perhaps yes
20:25 It's not "like the black and white dress". That was definitive. It could be proven to be one or the other. It wasn't a subjective problem. It's not a mystery.
The power relationships between men such as Trump, Putin, Musk, Epstine and women is clearly unequal, yes. However, most men are being judged upon such power inequalities when they don’t possess the same power as Trump, Putin, Tate, Musk, etc.. In fact, many men might be quite powerless. We are having our “masculines” challenged as punishment for power we do not possess or exercise over women. Most men are sick of being punished for things powerful men do to or say about women. Don’t assume all men possess the same level of power over women. Don’t assume that women don’t have power over men too.
Yeah because us men think the way Wallace behaved is fine. Ffs.
Quite a lot of us do, apparently. Or at least they claim they do because they think it will upset the right people.
it's easy to say think about it before you hit post but nobody else will. Social media moves at great speed. It won't wait for Greg or the BBC to have their say.
Downing Street?! What about safe places for women?
Bring back the shop stewards. Mind you, I don't suppose middle class women of a certain age would be up for that.
This conversation is insane
I have to say that he is being hounded beyond belief . He did bury himself with his own shovel though. Far too much attention is being directed at him when there are far more important matters domestically and internationally to discuss. Useful red herring
Do me a favour Kirsty Wark has plenty of power herself to have called this out in the moment or immediately afterwards and has waited 12 years to say something. Pathetic
Why is it always assumed that women don't speak out and submit a complaint to the revelevant people at the time? Do you really believe one woman is likely to be listened to against a money making celebrity?
These women are not victims are they? There’s been no crime committed? Feeling uncomfortable is not something that should mean you’re in trouble. This whole thing isn’t a serious story at all.
i felt uncomfortable after being beaten up by skinhead gang in the 80's
Ah, so everything that falls short of being a crime is just fine then? Do you aspire to behave like Wallace?
@@GorgeDawes I don’t understand why you want things that aren’t criminal to be policed as if they are, he’s an embarrassing David Brent type character who I don’t much enjoy watching on TV. People have come forward now saying he sexually assaulted them, I hope he’s dealt with as severely as possible should these allegations be true as this is completely unacceptable. Making some jokes in poor taste should not mean you lose your job however!
Emily, are you only describing and representing women in the media and Television?
Expand your opportunities and make a wider difference.
If not, what are you talking about changing. ?
Sit in your ivory towers and allow yourselves to be the judge and jury in a situation where this man has done nothing illegal..Who are you?
Unsubscribing from these two self-absorbed narcissists.
Get a life this is trivia and you are milking it for all it's worth. If he's guilty he does not deserve this shitstorm. If the offended people had spoken up at the time he probably would have modified his behaviour. You epitomise what is wrong with the media. I find your smug authority awful.
You get away with it until you show weakness
Really? Are you begrudging Clarkson his success? Nothing to do with the BBC, did it?
Lets be honest, Wallace has only issued an apology because the penny has just dropped that he is shooting his career in the foot. Personally I've always found him to be an irritating presenter, a motormouth who makes me switch channels as soon as he appears.....I won't be missing him if he doesn't come back.
MeToo needs to balance back to some level of centre as a father of two daughters they’re frustrated by guys being overly sensitive. Not a clue how they or a young fella navigates right now.
Don’t get me wrong there’s complete aholes out there but societal norms should be for the majority of& not the loud minority.
Now we’re getting to the bottom of it…
He clearly behaved badly but its on the BBC to steer/amend this stuff. I wouldn't go to Sopel/Maitlis for moral advice on this subject though, the self righteousness is somewhat sickening and in a weird way I see them as just as toxic as him.