Me: So tell me, how did the Ottoman Empire fare in this alternate reality? Kaiser Cat Cinema: Several thousand years ago, civilization began in the Mediterranean
3:53 "The Ottoman Empire will Fall without the support of the Kaiserreich" -Goosebumps. The voice actor has outdone himself. The screensaver is also very cool
Not really the sultans of the Ottoman Empire can claim the title by rights of conquest But the titular heir would be the kings of Spain since Andres Paleologos, successor of the last emperor Paleologos IX, gave the title to the Catholic kings of Castile and Aragon.
@@Dante_-cg3fqSultan Mehmed II is also a descendent of the Byzantine Royalty. Only reason you guys deny it is because Turks aren’t Christians which is stupid; Rome started as a Pagan republic after all.
@@Dr-Ekmek It’s why they also tried getting Ottomans to become a Christian state. Pope Pius II tried to convince Mehmed to become a Christian. He failed, obviously.
@@Dante_-cg3fq I would argue that the Ottoman claim of the title by rights of conquest is more legitimate than the inherited claim of the descendants of Ferdinand II and Isabelle I when Andres had already abdicated and sold the Imperial titles to the House of Valois. Several kings of whom actually styled themselves with the Imperial titles and harbored dreams of retaking Constantinople where neither Ferdinand or Isabelle nor any of their descendants did.
And in our timeline Enver crashed like 4 planes, trying to be a diplomat from Germany to the Soviets Edit: this made me rediscover just how clever Kaissereich is. Starts a bit slow, but it got really good
Thanks! The motion comic is a style I love working in, we will do more of them for future episodes to highlight some of kaiserreichs bigger lore points
Honestly this series has been one of the most entertaining alternate history series on RUclips. I would also like to say that as a lifelong student of history and an avid amateur/‘armchair’ historian this is also, hands down, the most immersive piece of alternate history media I’ve ever come across. Truly, thank you 🙏 🫡🦅
Interesting how this video is somewhat more regional based than linear time progression. The intro in the beginning is awesome, probably the best I've seen out of the series. Perhaps China next?
America, Japan, or China. Any others wouldn’t make sense. After all, Italy, Mittleeuropa, Britain, the Middle East, Danubia, and Russia are done. I’m going to take a bet on America
The Germans: I see this as an absolute win The British: I gotta take what I can get The Ottomans: I hate this The Armenians: Why are we still here, just to suffer?
In hindsight, the tagline of "What if 'Germany' had won WWI" makes a lot more sense than "What if 'The Central Powers' won WWI." Austria Hungary and The Ottoman Empire didn't really "win" as much as they survived the war.
The Ottoman Empire was the only state in the CP to have a frontline and a functional standing army (the German army by 1918 had essentially collapsed). The Ottomans were indeed the best state after the Germans in the CP as they had caused many defeats to the British - causing the British to send more forces to the ME, meaning Germany had to fight less men. The Ottoman army was indeed a competent force that was in some scenarios was hindered by German advisors.
I agree, the germans definitely have won with giant land grabs in Asia and Africa, a bunch of client states in Europe and with military and economic dominance to enforce it’s will. While the Habsburg and ottoman empire were just wrecks. And also Bulgaria, who also have won a lot but is overstretched.
Probably your best one yet, I am from this part of the World and a history buff and you clearly have done your research. Excellent use and understanding of the underlying history to make a new whole.
I would like to see a documentary on what is happening in the United States during this so yes a documentary about the second American Civil War in Kaiserreich
One thing, Gaziantep used to be only Antep. Gazi means veteran, it was given this name after the War of Turkish Independence for the city's fierce resistance against the French. Same way Maraş is Kahramanmaraş right now which means Hero Maraş, but it was named right in the video.
A communication sent by a member of the Secret Intelligence Service of his majesty the king on current events in the Balkans: “It appears like always that the balkans is on fire. What has yet to be seen is if this fire will smolder out, or if the blaze will spread across Europe like last time. We will see. Perhaps this can be of use to us for Operation Ithaca. We will see. Till the king enjoys his own again. Ps. Tell Louise that I hope she had a wonderful birthday.”
Ataturk was the most anti turanist person possible lol. He was a Turkish Nationalist in favor of humble borders instead of Enver pasha delusions of Turania
Some plot holes: a) how on Earth Ottomans would claim hostlile Shia Arab Huzestan from Persia, but not brotherly Azerbaijan? b) what Georgia, who holds almost all of its ethnic territory and overall is irrelevant, would possibly want from the Empire? c) Which pilgrims were travelling via Jabal Shammar (except maybe Iraqis) to Hajj before railways? Majority of pilgrims went by sea via Egypt anyway; d) what 'mujahedeen' ("warriors of faith") could Arabs raise against the Caliph of Islam? It's like crusading Pope, lol)
Problem is just like in real life arabs act like power hungry, barbarians the only god they believe is money just like in real life they will rebel against even the caliph
A) The Ottoman Empire doesn't actually claim Khuzestan. It's just the last remnant of the Qajar Dynasty that's under Ottoman "protection". Azerbaijan is friendly with the Ottomans, but otherwise aligned with Germany, thanks to the Caucasus Conference where they got all their territorial claims and were guaranteed independence. B) I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here. C) The pilgrims coming from Iraq and Iran. D) I'm pretty sure that was more for cinematic effect, but the point is Egypt and Nejd are looking to sponsor domestic uprisings in the Ottoman Empire so they can carve up its territory.
@@rustemzholdybalin6210, oh. What about Iranian Azerbaijan? I'm sure Iran wouldn't be in the mood to give it up, considering one of their more important historical cities is there, and Azerbaijan already has its hands full dealing with Armenian insurgents in its western territories. As for Georgia, they want the region of Ajaria, the part where one of their bigger cities, Batumi, is located. It's part of the Vilayet of Ardahan the Ottomans took back in 1918.
@@occam7382 I mean, Turks would want Iranian Azerbaijan more than Khuzestan, assuming that they would take anything from crumbling Iran. And that region was already occupied particularyl by Russia in early 20th century. Speaking of Ajaria, it's still multicultural region back then, when most of Ajarians and Lazes were not imagining thselves as part of Georgian nation; moreover, Georgia became as homocultural as today during Soviet era, especially after deportation of Mtskheta Turks. Therefore, I doubt that smaller Georgian nation would gamble on expansion instead of trying to keep their stuff together
I think what I love most about this universe is you can side with any faction and it not feel like your siding with the complete bad guys. Yeah, some might be morally better than others, but it’s still neat I find
27:46 Should have been Antep/Ayıntap. The title "Gazi" was given later after the Turkish War of National Liberation when the City managed to defend itself against the invaders.
In alternative historiography, you should also include facts, you have mistakes that will affect the outcome; If you take into account the following historical facts, you can form a different assumption. 1) Sultan Reşat died of the Spanish flu in 1918. Unlike the previous sultans, he was the first sultan to tour his country and mix with the people. He was mild-mannered and very loved. 2) The Caucasian Islamic Army is not an independent army, it is a corps of 3 divisions affiliated with the Eastern armies group. Likewise, later on, the divisions of this army would be among the effective divisions of the War of Independence during the Sakarya and Great Offensive. 3) The Ottoman Empire was not a colonialist state in the truest sense. The most important feature of colonialist states is that they unfairly channeled resources to themselves from the countries they exploited. The Arabian peninsula, on the other hand, was a source of expense and manpower for the Ottoman Empire (except for the Levantine region). 4) Cemal Pasha and Talat Pasha, members of the tripartite government, were pro-British, only Enver Pasha was pro-German. If the British had agreed, they would have entered the war on the side of the British, but since Russia and the British were determined to share the Ottoman Empire, they were forced to fall into the arms of Germany. 5) Mustafa Kemal and his friends did not want the Arabian Peninsula because they saw it as a hole that hindered them on the way to westernization, naturally they did not want that region. I think his simple words are enough to explain this: "But there is no national consent for a single Turkish young man's nose to bleed, not for the deserts of Yemen, not for the ruthlessly idealist caliphate institution, but even for the whole world. And there will not be a national consent for a single Turkish young man's nose to bleed." It's not worth it.“ 6) Mustafa Kemal had very close relations with Azerbaijani patriots, in such a future scenario, a territorial integrity with Azerbaijan instead of Arab lands would be more correct. 7) Mustafa Kemal was a person who was greatly influenced by the French revolutionary thinkers and the French revolution. It would be wrong to think of him as grand vizier during a period when the sultanate continued. The idea of establishing a republic dates back to the years before the war, and he told his friends about it. 8) Enver would not leave power unless the war was lost, so Mustafa Kemal would not have a chance unless Mustafa Kemal's biggest rival left power. Fans of Enver Pasha were everywhere, even to the point of threatening Mustafa Kemal with death. 9) It would be a bit ridiculous if the Arabs, who were repeatedly beaten by tiny Israel despite having Soviet Russia behind them, could defeat the Ottomans in such a scenario.
In the case of #3, Colonialism rarely bore profits. Only if you are wide enough that colonialist powers could turn a profit but its well-known that colonies are nothing but an expensive toy to keep around if you dont have enough. Spain, in her dying years, barely cared about her colonies in Cuba and the Philippines solely because, it wouldve made better sense to sell them rather than try to keep them. The original thirteen colonies were expensive to Britain, especially to protect hence why they wanted to tax them in the first place. The USA's independence had a rather positive impact to the overall British economy. Japan's colonial experiment to Siberia during the Russian Civil War resulted similarly with the state paying more than what they could ever profit from the colony so was eager to retreat from it, the moment a justifiable reason presented itself. French Indochina was famously a money sink for the economically devasted postwar France. Britain's entire reason for decolonialization was because colonies were expensive to maintain and Britain had exhausted all her capital. The Ottoman Empire was a colonialist state through and through and while it did not necessarily profit from its empire, the resources of its colonies only benefitted Istanbul.
The Empire needs a Murad IV persona here. The last of his line to led a military campaign and won in Baghdad and Yerevan. Died so young.. because you know, the endless court conspiracies, malfunctioning economy, and helplessly incapable officials. His life is a testament both to everything fearsome and grand in the Ottoman realm and to the inevitability of the empire’s fall. Modern Turkey has immense potential. Funny enough, its sole problem (that no one is talking about) is being a successor to a Balkan-first empire that does not exist anymore in the Balkans. The first century of the republic had passed as we tried to figure out what to make of Asia Minor, a vast open terrain that honestly no one cared about for a millennium..
Thank you KaiserCat Cinema bringing such beautiful works!! I am a fan of these documentaries and our team is translating this video into Chinese, so are we allowed to publish the Chiese-subtitled version on Bilibili, a video platform in mainland China? We make these for fun, not for profit and we will credit author and encourage audience to support you here
Damn, really wanted to learn more about the Assyrians in this episode. Was really hoping to hear about how they formed, their revolt, and what is the canon ending for their nation.
Damn...the Ottomans suffered so much (not as much as the Armenians, but still) and yet...they still keep going. May the empire survive, stronger and better than before!!
In balkan wars we lost 60k soldiers with 200k turkish civillian casulties , while ww1 we lost 450k soldiers and 1 million civillian casulties how can turks not suffer ? All the media you see is backing by christians see the reality in 1890 turks in ottomans re 14 million in 1930 its still 14 million. How can this possible with out genocides done to turks.
@@efeaydinli25Really? My guy your dudes couldn't make up harmless lies about why they lost to Russians in Caucasus so they decided to ethnically cleanse Armenians. Do you know how many Russians died? French and British casualties were not small either. Turks were ethnically cleansed from most of the Balkans. Maybe if Ottoman Empire did not start putting only turks in positions of power the Balkan people would not be so hungry for revenge.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 everyone killed another no one is a good or bad guy but i have to say these numbers are made up by british propaganda agency from 1916 which they said same things about other axis powers and they also said german soap factory
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 im not saying we didnt do anything but thats not an systematic fenocide but its indeed an humanitarian tragedy from both sides
Sorry one correction the British army has not been referred to as the “Royal Army” since 1660 as a result of the English Civil War and the victory of the Parliamentarian new army over the king. So there is a Royal Navy, Royal Air Force and Royal Tank Corps but no “Royal” army just the British Army
The best episode so far! How many more can we expect, and also are there any news on the development of the Art Book? I don't know if it is ready, but I can't find it anywhere :p
Mustafa kemal Atatürk was pretty much the Josip Broz Tito of this alt history timeline and it was soo interesting to see. How you guys come up with such detailed fictional timeline is soo impressive
@@occam7382Well still it most likely can't be worse than the Ottoman collapse of our own timeline given that it's very unlikely that any of these new enemies of the Sublime Porte can force them into complete surrender like the British had done.
@@simulacrumpilot2777, maybe not any one of them, but most or even all of these powers going up against the Ottomans at once? Yeah, they're screwed in that case.
@@occam7382 Not really given that none of those states has the overwhelming tactical, technological and industrial superiority the British Empire had over Ottomans. They most likely can push the Ottomans quite a bit but I can't see any way of them causing their complete collapse even if Greece, Georgia, Iran, Egypt, all of Arabia(which is very unlikely) declares war at once. Ottomans can just retreat to a more defensible terrain and initiate a stalemate.
@@simulacrumpilot2777, that's assuming the Ottomans are in a stable political and economic position. Which, given that this war takes place after the start of the Great Depression like likely after the death of Kemal, I find unlikely.
53:46 at first I was genuinely confused why the British Empire was being led by Tsar Nicholas II before I remembered he and George V were doppelgängers
My question is, what’s next? When will we get the next part of the kaisereich timeline? I guess it would be for the next few years from 1936 till the start of the 2nd WW
I have a conspiracy about ottomans tho , russians said ottoman will colapse in 1900 but russia collapsed after that french said ottoman will collapse and french was collapsed in 1918 and the while british collapsed i believe west fall to syndicalism but ottoman still gona live. Its not an feeling but just look what happened in these universe every time ottomans found a way to live sad but funny
@@efeaydinli25 If anything I am more fearing can they keep the Middle East in order in this timeline. The Middle East already a nightmare till today is enough. Sometimes I felt the Middle East is a lost cause of peace.
@@scotto2291, really? They're not going to use their last episode to focus on the United States? They already gave Bulgaria its own segment here, why waste another episode on that when we haven't even properly gotten to Asia? Let alone Africa or the Americas?
13:34 How did Greek Forces cross into the Ottoman Border when they did not have a land border at this time, since Bulgaria owned the Strip of Land surrounding Alexandropoli?
Broken into three nations with a Syndicalist Bharatiya Commune on the east, Loyalist Dominion of India to the west, and an independent Princely Federation to the South. Basically when the 1925 revolution tore through the UK, the various groups in South Asia all began to move with the Bharatiya Commune being first, declaring independence in Calcutta. Seeing weakness, the various princes consolidated power in the south, with the Viceroy of India and his forces retreating west to the more loyal princes of Jammu and Kashmir.
The Ottoman Empire lasted centuries until 1914. Even in its grand and twilight years, the Ottoman Empire was still powerful, even though it's a shadow of its territorial height in the 1600s, though, during WW1, it collapsed, yet, in this universe, the Ottoman Empire survived, god forsaken, the Ottomans would still be weak, a former power that would be a shell of its former self, and its territorial height in the 1600s, though the sick man of europe had fought the entente hard, like a man fighting a deadly disease for a long while
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Me: So tell me, how did the Ottoman Empire fare in this alternate reality?
Kaiser Cat Cinema: Several thousand years ago, civilization began in the Mediterranean
Kaisercat cinema is run by Russian Times and Kremlin (Trust me)
in 882, when Rurik arrived to Kyiv...
Putin? Is this you?
Our Tucker Carlson interview is scheduled for next week!
@@jpegvideosRurik?
HOLY SHIT THATS A TNO REF-
the letter from the ottoman officer at 37:56 was Beautiful. well done!
An incredible voice acting performance by Taher Chy!
Yes, without doubt, the best part of the documentary are the talkings heads
So @@kaisercatcinemahim is a great voice actor
Aga bee😢
3:53 "The Ottoman Empire will Fall without the support of the Kaiserreich" -Goosebumps. The voice actor has outdone himself. The screensaver is also very cool
An incredible performance, I agree!
Fun fact: The Ottoman Sultan also holds the title 'Kayser-i Rûm' (Emperor of Rome), a title they've held since they conquered Constantinople in 1453.
Not really the sultans of the Ottoman Empire can claim the title by rights of conquest
But the titular heir would be the kings of Spain since Andres Paleologos, successor of the last emperor Paleologos IX, gave the title to the Catholic kings of Castile and Aragon.
@@Dante_-cg3fqSultan Mehmed II is also a descendent of the Byzantine Royalty. Only reason you guys deny it is because Turks aren’t Christians which is stupid; Rome started as a Pagan republic after all.
@@Dr-Ekmek It’s why they also tried getting Ottomans to become a Christian state. Pope Pius II tried to convince Mehmed to become a Christian. He failed, obviously.
@@guywithacreativename5134 I am well aware but I still consider the Ottoman Empire what is closest to Rome at its time.
@@Dante_-cg3fq I would argue that the Ottoman claim of the title by rights of conquest is more legitimate than the inherited claim of the descendants of Ferdinand II and Isabelle I when Andres had already abdicated and sold the Imperial titles to the House of Valois. Several kings of whom actually styled themselves with the Imperial titles and harbored dreams of retaking Constantinople where neither Ferdinand or Isabelle nor any of their descendants did.
And in our timeline Enver crashed like 4 planes, trying to be a diplomat from Germany to the Soviets
Edit: this made me rediscover just how clever Kaissereich is. Starts a bit slow, but it got really good
How are these fictional documentaries so much better than the actual historical documentaries on TV? Great work 👍🏻👏🏻
Thanks guys, from Turkey with love!
TNO sonrası kaiserreich ya da ww1 konulu mod gelir ki?
Jakoben buradaymış.
Türkçe altyazı gelir mi?
hocam bize soykırımcı demişler nesini beğendin?
1850-1923 arası dönemde Balkanlar ve Orta Doğu'daki tüm halklar birbirine soykırımcı diyebilir. Alıştım artık takılmıyorum bile. @@ottomanmtd6919
This prologue more impressive than HOI4 DLC trailers. I watched more than 10 times.
Thanks! The motion comic is a style I love working in, we will do more of them for future episodes to highlight some of kaiserreichs bigger lore points
Babe wake up! Another Kaiserreich lore video dropped!
Honestly this series has been one of the most entertaining alternate history series on RUclips. I would also like to say that as a lifelong student of history and an avid amateur/‘armchair’ historian this is also, hands down, the most immersive piece of alternate history media I’ve ever come across.
Truly, thank you 🙏 🫡🦅
THE EMPIRE MUST NOT FALL
The Ottoman Empire will fall!
@@something1600NOT AGAIN!!!
THE EMPIRE MUST NOT FALL
THE EMPIRE MUST NOT FALL
@@something1600 WE DON' LET IT. EVERYTHING FOR OUR PADISAH AND HOLY EMPIRE!!!!!!
Interesting how this video is somewhat more regional based than linear time progression.
The intro in the beginning is awesome, probably the best I've seen out of the series.
Perhaps China next?
I’m hoping for a American one
America, Japan, or China. Any others wouldn’t make sense. After all, Italy, Mittleeuropa, Britain, the Middle East, Danubia, and Russia are done. I’m going to take a bet on America
Honestly I'm not sure that even the devs fully understand what is going on in China
The Germans: I see this as an absolute win
The British: I gotta take what I can get
The Ottomans: I hate this
The Armenians: Why are we still here, just to suffer?
Iran: I'M STILL ALIVE! I'M STILL ALIVE!
Georgia: Well, I'm here at least. It's better than the Ottomans. (Shudders)
Russia: ....
Saudis: My time has come.
Balkans: Confused screaming(as always)
France: are algerian worse than syndicalists?
Egypt: I will be Pharaoh once more!
Israel: Do I even exist in this timeline??
The Ottoman Empire will Fall without the support of the Kaiserreich is such an Amazing sentence into the Intro
Thanks! The voice actor really elevated that scene
In hindsight, the tagline of "What if 'Germany' had won WWI" makes a lot more sense than "What if 'The Central Powers' won WWI." Austria Hungary and The Ottoman Empire didn't really "win" as much as they survived the war.
The Ottoman Empire was the only state in the CP to have a frontline and a functional standing army (the German army by 1918 had essentially collapsed). The Ottomans were indeed the best state after the Germans in the CP as they had caused many defeats to the British - causing the British to send more forces to the ME, meaning Germany had to fight less men. The Ottoman army was indeed a competent force that was in some scenarios was hindered by German advisors.
I agree, the germans definitely have won with giant land grabs in Asia and Africa, a bunch of client states in Europe and with military and economic dominance to enforce it’s will. While the Habsburg and ottoman empire were just wrecks.
And also Bulgaria, who also have won a lot but is overstretched.
Even if it means longer production time, I am a huge fan of this new format. Huge improvement in my opinion.
Probably your best one yet, I am from this part of the World and a history buff and you clearly have done your research. Excellent use and understanding of the underlying history to make a new whole.
"The Ottoman Empire will fall without the support of the KAISERREICH!" ✍️✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥
I would like to see a documentary on what is happening in the United States during this so yes a documentary about the second American Civil War in Kaiserreich
Can't wait! This is gonna be AWESOME! Love your work guys🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Absolutely incredible!
One thing, Gaziantep used to be only Antep. Gazi means veteran, it was given this name after the War of Turkish Independence for the city's fierce resistance against the French. Same way Maraş is Kahramanmaraş right now which means Hero Maraş, but it was named right in the video.
Wow, you guys make this “what if” history very intriguing. I wish sometimes certain check points in HoI would give you a cut scene of this quality.
congrats on 100.000 subs. I wish the entire team behind Kaiserreich and Kaiser Cat Cinema all the best. Keep up the great quality of content :)
Waited a while for this but it was definitely worth the wait
Long life the eternal empire, long live Kemal Pasha, long live the Sultan!
We all know why you're here. Mister osmanosman4331
nuh uh
@Suleyman111Grand hello fake muslo
@Suleyman111Grand he's larping as the average soldier in the 1920s
A communication sent by a member of the Secret Intelligence Service of his majesty the king on current events in the Balkans:
“It appears like always that the balkans is on fire. What has yet to be seen is if this fire will smolder out, or if the blaze will spread across Europe like last time. We will see. Perhaps this can be of use to us for Operation Ithaca. We will see.
Till the king enjoys his own again.
Ps. Tell Louise that I hope she had a wonderful birthday.”
Amazing just as always! Keep it up with the amazing work 💙
Kemal's dream must live on!
His dream of an atheist Turkey with Turanist delusions.
No thanks
@@Michael_the_Drunkard I can see micheals comments low iq delusions
@@1mokay911 he was probably friends with popcorn 🍿
@@Michael_the_Drunkard😂 as a Turanist. He has no Turanist ambition or any irredantism sadly😅 wish he had!
Ataturk was the most anti turanist person possible lol. He was a Turkish Nationalist in favor of humble borders instead of Enver pasha delusions of Turania
the most entertaining and SOLID alternate history series on RUclips
Dammm that opening gave me goosebumps , very good video
Great documentary, congratulations on the 100k!! Here’s a comment for the algorithm
Can't wait for Bulgaria next.😊
This is amazingly well made! Love it!
Wow guys that is incredible ! Keep it up !
This stuff is too high quality for just 6k views.. you’re amazing!
Marvellous video mate, I love the music , the lore of Kasierreich, the artwork and the voice acting is truly top notch.
Some plot holes:
a) how on Earth Ottomans would claim hostlile Shia Arab Huzestan from Persia, but not brotherly Azerbaijan?
b) what Georgia, who holds almost all of its ethnic territory and overall is irrelevant, would possibly want from the Empire?
c) Which pilgrims were travelling via Jabal Shammar (except maybe Iraqis) to Hajj before railways? Majority of pilgrims went by sea via Egypt anyway;
d) what 'mujahedeen' ("warriors of faith") could Arabs raise against the Caliph of Islam? It's like crusading Pope, lol)
Problem is just like in real life arabs act like power hungry, barbarians the only god they believe is money just like in real life they will rebel against even the caliph
A) The Ottoman Empire doesn't actually claim Khuzestan. It's just the last remnant of the Qajar Dynasty that's under Ottoman "protection". Azerbaijan is friendly with the Ottomans, but otherwise aligned with Germany, thanks to the Caucasus Conference where they got all their territorial claims and were guaranteed independence.
B) I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here.
C) The pilgrims coming from Iraq and Iran.
D) I'm pretty sure that was more for cinematic effect, but the point is Egypt and Nejd are looking to sponsor domestic uprisings in the Ottoman Empire so they can carve up its territory.
@@occam7382 I meant Iranian Azerbaijan, not Russian. And as for Georgia, what should they want from Turkey, mostly Turkish inhabited territories?
@@rustemzholdybalin6210, oh. What about Iranian Azerbaijan? I'm sure Iran wouldn't be in the mood to give it up, considering one of their more important historical cities is there, and Azerbaijan already has its hands full dealing with Armenian insurgents in its western territories.
As for Georgia, they want the region of Ajaria, the part where one of their bigger cities, Batumi, is located. It's part of the Vilayet of Ardahan the Ottomans took back in 1918.
@@occam7382 I mean, Turks would want Iranian Azerbaijan more than Khuzestan, assuming that they would take anything from crumbling Iran. And that region was already occupied particularyl by Russia in early 20th century. Speaking of Ajaria, it's still multicultural region back then, when most of Ajarians and Lazes were not imagining thselves as part of Georgian nation; moreover, Georgia became as homocultural as today during Soviet era, especially after deportation of Mtskheta Turks. Therefore, I doubt that smaller Georgian nation would gamble on expansion instead of trying to keep their stuff together
Amazing documentary! Love the channel, and the mod. Keep up the work!
I think what I love most about this universe is you can side with any faction and it not feel like your siding with the complete bad guys. Yeah, some might be morally better than others, but it’s still neat I find
Epic documentary as always.
27:46 Should have been Antep/Ayıntap. The title "Gazi" was given later after the Turkish War of National Liberation when the City managed to defend itself against the invaders.
When that Kaiserreich book will come out, I want it
finally made it to 100k congrats
In alternative historiography, you should also include facts, you have mistakes that will affect the outcome; If you take into account the following historical facts, you can form a different assumption.
1) Sultan Reşat died of the Spanish flu in 1918. Unlike the previous sultans, he was the first sultan to tour his country and mix with the people. He was mild-mannered and very loved.
2) The Caucasian Islamic Army is not an independent army, it is a corps of 3 divisions affiliated with the Eastern armies group. Likewise, later on, the divisions of this army would be among the effective divisions of the War of Independence during the Sakarya and Great Offensive.
3) The Ottoman Empire was not a colonialist state in the truest sense. The most important feature of colonialist states is that they unfairly channeled resources to themselves from the countries they exploited. The Arabian peninsula, on the other hand, was a source of expense and manpower for the Ottoman Empire (except for the Levantine region).
4) Cemal Pasha and Talat Pasha, members of the tripartite government, were pro-British, only Enver Pasha was pro-German. If the British had agreed, they would have entered the war on the side of the British, but since Russia and the British were determined to share the Ottoman Empire, they were forced to fall into the arms of Germany.
5) Mustafa Kemal and his friends did not want the Arabian Peninsula because they saw it as a hole that hindered them on the way to westernization, naturally they did not want that region. I think his simple words are enough to explain this: "But there is no national consent for a single Turkish young man's nose to bleed, not for the deserts of Yemen, not for the ruthlessly idealist caliphate institution, but even for the whole world. And there will not be a national consent for a single Turkish young man's nose to bleed." It's not worth it.“
6) Mustafa Kemal had very close relations with Azerbaijani patriots, in such a future scenario, a territorial integrity with Azerbaijan instead of Arab lands would be more correct.
7) Mustafa Kemal was a person who was greatly influenced by the French revolutionary thinkers and the French revolution. It would be wrong to think of him as grand vizier during a period when the sultanate continued. The idea of establishing a republic dates back to the years before the war, and he told his friends about it.
8) Enver would not leave power unless the war was lost, so Mustafa Kemal would not have a chance unless Mustafa Kemal's biggest rival left power. Fans of Enver Pasha were everywhere, even to the point of threatening Mustafa Kemal with death.
9) It would be a bit ridiculous if the Arabs, who were repeatedly beaten by tiny Israel despite having Soviet Russia behind them, could defeat the Ottomans in such a scenario.
An actually interesting comment!
you are wrong past number 5
@@sarubet8725 why?
In the case of #3, Colonialism rarely bore profits. Only if you are wide enough that colonialist powers could turn a profit but its well-known that colonies are nothing but an expensive toy to keep around if you dont have enough. Spain, in her dying years, barely cared about her colonies in Cuba and the Philippines solely because, it wouldve made better sense to sell them rather than try to keep them. The original thirteen colonies were expensive to Britain, especially to protect hence why they wanted to tax them in the first place. The USA's independence had a rather positive impact to the overall British economy. Japan's colonial experiment to Siberia during the Russian Civil War resulted similarly with the state paying more than what they could ever profit from the colony so was eager to retreat from it, the moment a justifiable reason presented itself. French Indochina was famously a money sink for the economically devasted postwar France. Britain's entire reason for decolonialization was because colonies were expensive to maintain and Britain had exhausted all her capital.
The Ottoman Empire was a colonialist state through and through and while it did not necessarily profit from its empire, the resources of its colonies only benefitted Istanbul.
*when you realise there’s a channel dedicated to kaiserreich*
The Empire needs a Murad IV persona here. The last of his line to led a military campaign and won in Baghdad and Yerevan. Died so young.. because you know, the endless court conspiracies, malfunctioning economy, and helplessly incapable officials. His life is a testament both to everything fearsome and grand in the Ottoman realm and to the inevitability of the empire’s fall. Modern Turkey has immense potential. Funny enough, its sole problem (that no one is talking about) is being a successor to a Balkan-first empire that does not exist anymore in the Balkans. The first century of the republic had passed as we tried to figure out what to make of Asia Minor, a vast open terrain that honestly no one cared about for a millennium..
IV. Murad died because of illness. However he really did great during his short time of ruling.
This is the only documentary that gave me goosebumps because it feels so real
Wonderful! I love this series! I can't wait to know the topic of next episode! This Channel Is awesome !
Thanks for making this and I am the place where I live (najd and hasa) is here !
Glory to the sublime porte!
The empire must not fall!!
Thanks guys, from Turkey with love!
❤🤍
3:18 "and the arab cause has never been stronger" oddly reminds me of "and my resolve, has never been stronger" -Palpatine
"The remaining Ottomans shall be hunted down and defeated!"
#FreePalpatine
this is the coolest thing ever
It will be 3:30 am on the 21st for me when it releases :(
It was be 2:00 am for me
Let’s go new Documentary!
Long live The Republic
Long live the sultan
Which republic?
@@occam7382 The Iranian republic
@@behnamkeivan4633, ah. Gotcha.
@LordValorumit has fallen and the world is now a better place
Thank you KaiserCat Cinema bringing such beautiful works!! I am a fan of these documentaries and our team is translating this video into Chinese, so are we allowed to publish the Chiese-subtitled version on Bilibili, a video platform in mainland China? We make these for fun, not for profit and we will credit author and encourage audience to support you here
it's cool to ask but as long as you fully credit and link places to support the original I doubt anyone would have a problem
Damn, really wanted to learn more about the Assyrians in this episode. Was really hoping to hear about how they formed, their revolt, and what is the canon ending for their nation.
The speech at the end by the spy is actually so peak
I like how the epic speech is the most replayed part of the video
AYYYEEE 100K CONGRATS
Right now i see 100k subs great job! :D
Ah yes, obscure lore about alternate timelines about our own history.
I love learning about it
SO COOL!!! How many parts will this series go on? Still a few continents left to get this all-star treatment.
Quite a few episodes I think, considering we cut a ton of lore to keep this episode succinct and it still ended up being 90min 🤣
Thank you, you're a genious team
Damn...the Ottomans suffered so much (not as much as the Armenians, but still) and yet...they still keep going.
May the empire survive, stronger and better than before!!
In balkan wars we lost 60k soldiers with 200k turkish civillian casulties , while ww1 we lost 450k soldiers and 1 million civillian casulties how can turks not suffer ? All the media you see is backing by christians see the reality in 1890 turks in ottomans re 14 million in 1930 its still 14 million. How can this possible with out genocides done to turks.
@@efeaydinli25Really?
My guy your dudes couldn't make up harmless lies about why they lost to Russians in Caucasus so they decided to ethnically cleanse Armenians.
Do you know how many Russians died?
French and British casualties were not small either.
Turks were ethnically cleansed from most of the Balkans.
Maybe if Ottoman Empire did not start putting only turks in positions of power the Balkan people would not be so hungry for revenge.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 yea dude war start when 1915 and ottomans lost in 1916-17 and they killed 1 million armenians in 1915 for fun??
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 everyone killed another no one is a good or bad guy but i have to say these numbers are made up by british propaganda agency from 1916 which they said same things about other axis powers and they also said german soap factory
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 im not saying we didnt do anything but thats not an systematic fenocide but its indeed an humanitarian tragedy from both sides
I wish you added Turkish subtitles
Otomatik çeviri var
Can you make a playlist so we can find each episode easier in one place, thank you
Long live the Sultan!
It’s finally here, I love ya videos sm,
ya work is so detailed and beautiful
Great Video 👍
Great stuff
HERE WE GOOOOOO
Finally something on the Ottomans (most interesting faction to play)
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@@farmanstudio5454 there wasnt any safavids in 20th century
Here when 89k but first saw much earlier
Nice scenario narration
In the sub 10k club baby, thanks for all the good times over the years.
awesome video
Sorry one correction the British army has not been referred to as the “Royal Army” since 1660 as a result of the English Civil War and the victory of the Parliamentarian new army over the king. So there is a Royal Navy, Royal Air Force and Royal Tank Corps but no “Royal” army just the British Army
The best episode so far! How many more can we expect, and also are there any news on the development of the Art Book? I don't know if it is ready, but I can't find it anywhere :p
Mustafa kemal Atatürk was pretty much the Josip Broz Tito of this alt history timeline and it was soo interesting to see. How you guys come up with such detailed fictional timeline is soo impressive
And much like Tito, the moment Ataturk dies, all hell will break loose, and the Empire will fall apart on itself.
@@occam7382Well still it most likely can't be worse than the Ottoman collapse of our own timeline given that it's very unlikely that any of these new enemies of the Sublime Porte can force them into complete surrender like the British had done.
@@simulacrumpilot2777, maybe not any one of them, but most or even all of these powers going up against the Ottomans at once? Yeah, they're screwed in that case.
@@occam7382 Not really given that none of those states has the overwhelming tactical, technological and industrial superiority the British Empire had over Ottomans. They most likely can push the Ottomans quite a bit but I can't see any way of them causing their complete collapse even if Greece, Georgia, Iran, Egypt, all of Arabia(which is very unlikely) declares war at once. Ottomans can just retreat to a more defensible terrain and initiate a stalemate.
@@simulacrumpilot2777, that's assuming the Ottomans are in a stable political and economic position. Which, given that this war takes place after the start of the Great Depression like likely after the death of Kemal, I find unlikely.
53:46 at first I was genuinely confused why the British Empire was being led by Tsar Nicholas II before I remembered he and George V were doppelgängers
SAME
Syndicalism is waving.
My question is, what’s next? When will we get the next part of the kaisereich timeline? I guess it would be for the next few years from 1936 till the start of the 2nd WW
I have a conspiracy about ottomans tho , russians said ottoman will colapse in 1900 but russia collapsed after that french said ottoman will collapse and french was collapsed in 1918 and the while british collapsed i believe west fall to syndicalism but ottoman still gona live. Its not an feeling but just look what happened in these universe every time ottomans found a way to live sad but funny
They have stated they will not be going past 1936, as past that point there is no cannon. They will be doing a smaller documentary on Bulgaria next
@@efeaydinli25 If anything I am more fearing can they keep the Middle East in order in this timeline.
The Middle East already a nightmare till today is enough.
Sometimes I felt the Middle East is a lost cause of peace.
@@scotto2291awwww that sucks
@@scotto2291, really? They're not going to use their last episode to focus on the United States? They already gave Bulgaria its own segment here, why waste another episode on that when we haven't even properly gotten to Asia? Let alone Africa or the Americas?
Very entertaining. 👍👍👍
I almost forgot Louise LaCroix, but it seems she didn't forget.
She's got her slimy tendrils wrapped across the globe. Those damn Syndicalists don't ever quit.
Please do a documentary on the independent puerto rico
İnteresting! Love this
Is this canon,especially the election results?
What does OPAD stand for?
Music at 26:38 is Desert Fighter by Max Anson
LETS GO
Love you work❤
Make one about persia/iran please 🙏🏻
thank you
13:34 How did Greek Forces cross into the Ottoman Border when they did not have a land border at this time, since Bulgaria owned the Strip of Land surrounding Alexandropoli?
İslamists taking the L in this universe too lmao Atatürk bros never stop winning
What are the next project now? China? Japan? United States?
bulgaria
Bulgaria, then Southeast Asia and China
Çiceğim means my flower. In the letter you wrote as my çiceğim and this means "my my flower"
What has become of South Asia in the Kaiserreich timeline?
Broken into three nations with a Syndicalist Bharatiya Commune on the east, Loyalist Dominion of India to the west, and an independent Princely Federation to the South. Basically when the 1925 revolution tore through the UK, the various groups in South Asia all began to move with the Bharatiya Commune being first, declaring independence in Calcutta. Seeing weakness, the various princes consolidated power in the south, with the Viceroy of India and his forces retreating west to the more loyal princes of Jammu and Kashmir.
This was my dream project
For the Empire! For the Algorithm!
The Ottoman Empire lasted centuries until 1914. Even in its grand and twilight years, the Ottoman Empire was still powerful, even though it's a shadow of its territorial height in the 1600s, though, during WW1, it collapsed, yet, in this universe, the Ottoman Empire survived, god forsaken, the Ottomans would still be weak, a former power that would be a shell of its former self, and its territorial height in the 1600s, though the sick man of europe had fought the entente hard, like a man fighting a deadly disease for a long while
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