very unbiased explanation, love it! I was wondering why people all cry about "No All-I, bad camera"... i wondered mainly because my EOS R7 looks just fine with IPB only. The harder to edit/process/playback is a somewhat reasonable point people have (and i recently found out.... literally NO COMPUTER in our house except my M1 Pro Mac is capable of playing back the files from the SD card). I really have to edit and export the files in a proper format, something i didnt really think of as i bought the R7 for hybrid/video stuff. Luckily i have a M1 Mac, otherwise i would also struggle with Canons IPB files at least.
Thanks! That is a good question I'm not too certain about. When you use an external recorder like the ninja V and you are trying to access 10 bit or higher for video quality, IPB and All-I don't matter as much because the higher codec and bit rate built into the external recorder make it nearly impossible to indicate any difference in the image since the quality is much greater than what is built into the camera body. Hope this helps!
@@MattKendallPhotoVideo Ok thx 🙂My concern is the "guessing" the in-between frames, as opposed to full image data. (prob not a big deal, but, i care about grabbing clean ideal stills from the video) *any data on this would be appreciated. Thx again :-)
@@MattKendallPhotoVideo FYI, from Atomos: "Yes, Atomos recorders bypass the limitations of the camera and capture directly from the sensor of the camera. Atomos recorders significantly enhance video capabilities by supporting a variety of codecs. These codecs provide high-quality video while delivering exceptional performance. Cameras lack this processing power and codecs, as well as the ability to preserve this extremely fast data since they utilize SD cards rather than high-speed SSD storage. As a result, Ninja V+ avoids Canon's IPB compression and records footage in the ProRes RAW codec."
All-i and ipb are basicly just cameras codecs. HDMI signal is clean stream from sensor trough hdmi chip usually with discarded color information but uncompressed. So no codecs at all.
Something I've noticed is that a lot of 24fps footage on YT looks juddery despite KNOWING that the person posting knows their stuff about camera settings when it comes to motion blur. Even 4k doesn't seem to help in these cases. The only stuff that seems to be smooth is legit full-on cinematics/short films. I've been through the wringer trying to figure out what's causing it. Is it the 23.976 being edited in a true 24? Is it being uploaded to YT at 23.976 and youtube forces it to be true 24 (something that I heard youtube did)? Is it the difference between x264 and x265? I've been told maybe on the first account, no on the last, and "IDK" as well as "you're an idiot" on the second one. NOW I just recently came across this IPB vs ALL-I crap, and I'm just totally lost... The way you described it "calculating" a few frames leads me to believe it might be affecting stuff, but I just don't know anymore. Any ideas/thoughts?
To be honest.... is it? Sure, i also found out recently how annoying IPB can be when i just wanted to watch a file directly out of camera with another device than my MacBook Pro since literally NO COMPUTER in the house (except the small Mac) is capable of smooth 4k60 or 4k24/30 fine HDR PQ playback. After edting and exporting on the Mac the files are just fine and run on a very old machine as well (H264, HEVC not so much) So yes, from a production/editing standpoint where SSD/memory card prices doesnt matter that much... All-I is the way to go, but for the average customer/hobby videographer IPB is just fine as long the computers can handle it. In fact even with good IPB compression on my Canon EOS R7 and 2x 256GB SD cards.... i run very often out of SD card space since the files are just HUGE, All-I would make it a lot worse. Additionally, i have "just" the base model MacBook Pro, so 512GB SSD internally. if i fill up both SD cards, i cant even backup them on the go without an additional external m.2 SSD. I really get the complains about IPB, especially regarding Canons "uneditable" codecs, luckily as a M1 Mac user i dont struggle too much (except with internal SSD space). But i hope computers make soon a leap in performance and/or video codec support to compensate for the harder to edit and playback files. In fact IPB doesnt have that much downsides from a consumer/more basic standpoint. And the ones complaining about missing All-I are in 95% of the cases people earning money with it/using the stuff daily and need "the best".... I think IPB vs All-I is a similar comparison like log vs raw format, the differences are negliable and for the most people not even visible!
Quick informative video! Thanks man
Thanks for this video. Very clear and short . Cheers
very unbiased explanation, love it!
I was wondering why people all cry about "No All-I, bad camera"... i wondered mainly because my EOS R7 looks just fine with IPB only.
The harder to edit/process/playback is a somewhat reasonable point people have (and i recently found out.... literally NO COMPUTER in our house except my M1 Pro Mac is capable of playing back the files from the SD card). I really have to edit and export the files in a proper format, something i didnt really think of as i bought the R7 for hybrid/video stuff.
Luckily i have a M1 Mac, otherwise i would also struggle with Canons IPB files at least.
Hi Matt :-), thx for vid
Question: if you shoot directly to the Atomos Ninja, would that bypass these settings?
Thanks! That is a good question I'm not too certain about. When you use an external recorder like the ninja V and you are trying to access 10 bit or higher for video quality, IPB and All-I don't matter as much because the higher codec and bit rate built into the external recorder make it nearly impossible to indicate any difference in the image since the quality is much greater than what is built into the camera body. Hope this helps!
@@MattKendallPhotoVideo Ok thx 🙂My concern is the "guessing" the in-between frames, as opposed to full image data. (prob not a big deal, but, i care about grabbing clean ideal stills from the video) *any data on this would be appreciated. Thx again :-)
@@MattKendallPhotoVideo FYI, from Atomos:
"Yes, Atomos recorders bypass the limitations of the camera and capture directly from the sensor of the camera. Atomos recorders significantly enhance video capabilities by supporting a variety of codecs. These codecs provide high-quality video while delivering exceptional performance. Cameras lack this processing power and codecs, as well as the ability to preserve this extremely fast data since they utilize SD cards rather than high-speed SSD storage.
As a result, Ninja V+ avoids Canon's IPB compression and records footage in the ProRes RAW codec."
All-i and ipb are basicly just cameras codecs. HDMI signal is clean stream from sensor trough hdmi chip usually with discarded color information but uncompressed. So no codecs at all.
Very helpful, thanks!
Great explanation!
Something I've noticed is that a lot of 24fps footage on YT looks juddery despite KNOWING that the person posting knows their stuff about camera settings when it comes to motion blur. Even 4k doesn't seem to help in these cases. The only stuff that seems to be smooth is legit full-on cinematics/short films.
I've been through the wringer trying to figure out what's causing it. Is it the 23.976 being edited in a true 24? Is it being uploaded to YT at 23.976 and youtube forces it to be true 24 (something that I heard youtube did)? Is it the difference between x264 and x265? I've been told maybe on the first account, no on the last, and "IDK" as well as "you're an idiot" on the second one. NOW I just recently came across this IPB vs ALL-I crap, and I'm just totally lost...
The way you described it "calculating" a few frames leads me to believe it might be affecting stuff, but I just don't know anymore. Any ideas/thoughts?
Nice
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Useful
Thank you very much!
Canon seems to think that all-i is not needed anymore.
To be honest.... is it?
Sure, i also found out recently how annoying IPB can be when i just wanted to watch a file directly out of camera with another device than my MacBook Pro since literally NO COMPUTER in the house (except the small Mac) is capable of smooth 4k60 or 4k24/30 fine HDR PQ playback.
After edting and exporting on the Mac the files are just fine and run on a very old machine as well (H264, HEVC not so much)
So yes, from a production/editing standpoint where SSD/memory card prices doesnt matter that much... All-I is the way to go, but for the average customer/hobby videographer IPB is just fine as long the computers can handle it.
In fact even with good IPB compression on my Canon EOS R7 and 2x 256GB SD cards.... i run very often out of SD card space since the files are just HUGE, All-I would make it a lot worse.
Additionally, i have "just" the base model MacBook Pro, so 512GB SSD internally. if i fill up both SD cards, i cant even backup them on the go without an additional external m.2 SSD.
I really get the complains about IPB, especially regarding Canons "uneditable" codecs, luckily as a M1 Mac user i dont struggle too much (except with internal SSD space). But i hope computers make soon a leap in performance and/or video codec support to compensate for the harder to edit and playback files. In fact IPB doesnt have that much downsides from a consumer/more basic standpoint. And the ones complaining about missing All-I are in 95% of the cases people earning money with it/using the stuff daily and need "the best"....
I think IPB vs All-I is a similar comparison like log vs raw format, the differences are negliable and for the most people not even visible!