Heard so many of these. As young guy I was obsessed with photography. It was all I wanted to do. But I went to college, then Uni beckoned and as "an education is easier carried than a toolbox" to quote my Dad, I could go to Uni get the "good job" and use that to fund the photography. "Just keep it as a hobby" It took me a long time to realise that life doesn't work like that. It took me until my forties until I got a shot a being a pro and I loved it. Didn't make much money, but I loved it! Of course life got in the way again and I had to quit to become a carer. Pushing sixty now and realistically no chance of having the photography career I dreamt of. If I've got one piece of advice for anyone reading this it's really simple: follow your heart, follow your dreams and don't let anyone talk you out of it. "Unto thine own self be true."
I empathise. I was a web developer for many many years - always freelance. Got to the point where the whole market had changed and I couldn't be bothered to keep up with it. Projects would make me miserable. After Covid, I decided to pursue photography as a career. Whilst I'm still a hell of a long way from where I want to be, I now work shooting properties. It's bread and butter money and a fraction of what I could earn - but my god I'm so much happier. I felt like I was in a rut before, but now I can breathe and concentrate on new things.
I've been a pro photographer for 20 plus years and just quitted to become a a pm in an agency. i've reached a strange point where i won multiple international awards, had an agent, got pads on the shoulder by art buyers and art directors, telling me how cool and unique my work is, but still dind't got booked enough to have a positive perspective for the future. Not getting booked is bad enough, but being told to be great and not getting booked is more then frustrating. Being your own boss is great for obvious reasons, but having a monthly paycheck is something i envied my friends for the past year. Looking at the momentary state of the business in general, with a pandemic behind us, a war going on and AI around the corner, i had to face reality. I am no Van Gogh, a not recognized genius, where people go...oh look, how could we miss that. Not even if i cut of my ear. I am just a pretty good photographer, who didnt make it. One of many. I could whine about how unfair i think it is, how much i wish it wasnt so. But that wont bring me nowhere. I rather suck it up, and be thankful that i had the chance to get that far, that i had 7 great years as my own boss and could make money with something i love. Now its time to do something different and make a living, face new challenges and become in expert in a new field. One book finished, one new to read.
I have worked in the software industry for the past 15 years and despite having built a decent life through this career I have laways wanted to do photography full time. I did quit my IT job 10 years ago for six months to start a photography business and even though I didn't manage to make enough money in to stay in photography, my wife managed to conitnue with that business and she grew it into a relatively successful business with great reputaion. Me on the otherhand never got a second chance to give that a go again. I did do photography on weekends for a while but doing both a full time IT job and shooting and editing on weekends didn't leave any time to dedicate to my young child so kinda gave up on that idea. But I keep considering to switch to doing photography full time again as it matches my personality much more than IT and I think it would bring more balance to my life. These videos are very helpful and inspiring so thanks.
@@Ramin_Esfandiari kinda in the same position. I quit being a data analyst to work at a marketing agency doing video and editing. After 6 months it didn’t work out with the company and I’m now doing my own stuff, got my own LLC and trying to do this filmmaker thing. It’s an hustle i don’t know if I want to keep up with it. And I hate even after a great win I can never relax and I get anxious about what’s next. I’m starting to get more bookings but I know that’s because it’s summer and it’s the feast season. The data analyst job I left had me on contract ever since I left and low key is what I use to pay my bills. The contract looks like it’s at the end point and I’m thinking if I should get an IT job while working on the business at the same time because I hate feeling broke. Back to what you are talking about I don’t want to be in the hustle culture working each hour of my life. So I’m on the fences of re-entering the IT space
@@ShanygneKing Completely understand. If you don't have anyone that is financially dependent on you then I'd encourage you to stick you your own business as it will surely pick up at some point you won't have to worry too much about the next thing after you find your flow. Grinding in the software industry can take a toll on you if you are not suited for that sort of work hence the higher pay. Wish you all the best of luck mate.
@@Ramin_Esfandiari my financial obligations aren’t that massive. I’m able to pay bills and saving a little and do just that but thank you for the advise I have a lot more grinding to do
the key in life is to do what makes you happy regardless. The only way you will find that is to go trough the experiences in life good or bad ones, and don't live in fear.simple
Thank you for sharing this! And to sharpen (my) distinction between quitting and changing. I like to be in the zone where it is difficult- don't know why, I just do. So my photography is all over the place. A camera and a lens is about the only common denominator. I blame myself and tell myself I should go photograph ravens only for 5 years like Fukase, but I simply get bored or loose the bigger perspective. So no solutions from my side unfortunately 🙂
Considering how you were able to make a very successful style jump a few years ago during Covid, I'm excited to see whatever you have going on this time.I'm sure it will be great!
I love this. Learning to quit is not giving up. I have said this for years. When you are doing things for the routine and not for the love. It's easy to fall into a rut, it is much harder to realize you are in it and to get out.
Not related to photography but software. Have a prototype I believe will be great but it's amazing how many people advise you that it won't work. No point trying. 2023 for me is the year of doing all the ideas and not listening to negative feedback so much. I'd say follow your gut which you are doing. Looking forward to hearing what your plans are mate. Love the channel. Cheers.
Reminds me of me reaching the 5 star review level for my drum making business. I had a massive health issue happen right at the same time and my Professor of Lungs (not her title but basically what she professes in) told me honestly "Its wealth or Health". After a 2 month struggle and the 5 star review in the top drum magazine, I added up what I had achieved and I had achieved it all. Carrying on would just be "rinse and repeat" so I decided that saving my health was the path for me. 12 years later and here I am still breathing and now taking my first baby steps in "pro" photography. So in short, I wish you well in your future adventures and I hope that bring you all you desire.
What makes these videos so compelling is the honesty and the insight into the world of photography by a professional. I wish you well in your new venture, and hopefully these brilliant videos will still continue.
In order to grow we need to change. I’ve been going through a similar thought process myself lately. Time to stop doing what I’ve been doing and feel comfortable doing and go someplace “uncomfortable” in order to grow and learn. Best of luck.
It’s so nice to hear someone else who thinks quitting is okay. I don’t mean quitting when things get challenging and not having any grit. I mean quitting when you’ve truly exhausted your options, enjoyment, energy, etc. I think especially in the States we have a mindset that it’s never okay to quit. “You can sleep when you’re dead” is a disturbing phrase I’ve heard uttered by many people. I also studied violin for 9 years. I peaked around year 5 and then spent the next 4 watching everyone around me get better while I’d lost the drive but was afraid of quitting. I look forward to whatever you’re going to do next. I’m sure you will bring the same energy and creativity to it - just because your focus has changed doesn’t mean you do. 😊
Was a pro shooter for over 20 years, quit and became a policeman. I just retired yesterday with a pension and now I can do MY photography free of any financial pressures. Always look ahead for a path to creative freedom.
Im so glad i subscribed to this channel. Before i sat down and found this video i was at the point of just quitting. It seems like i cant get a damn leg up in any part of the industry. Im not burnt out because i haven't even been shooting professionally for not even a year but im so tired of being told no. Which is stupid because people are told no everyday. Anyhow, Im not quitting now sense ive seen this video. If anyone is wondering im a rodeo / western lifestyle photographer. Ive been around rodeo my whole life and i love the culture, No im not a cowboy but i love the culture. So, thank you Tin House. Please keep the videos coming. I look forward in seeing your new photography journey.
100% agree, always quit/change direction if it's time for you. I've quit several good jobs and changed career direction couple of times over the years and planning another "I quit" moment coming on and not regretted it once, life's too short. Enjoy the videos, keep them coming.
I live in Southern California and worked in tech prior to pandemic. As a shut-in I decided to hone my photography. I started on film as a kid, but it was cost prohibitive in those days. Now is an incredible time to learn photography. The digital age has ushered in the ability to shoot endlessly on battery and hard drive. That being said, I'm not making the money that I used to. Event photography is a rough gig. It's hard to make money at something that others will do for free. I generate a small income from affiliate advertising, but it's not sustainable. After watching your channel I have changed direction. I'm currently working on still life in a very specific niche. I don't know where I'm headed, but your channel has helped me "crack on." Event will remain a part of my life. The niche that I am interested in compliments a lot of events. Fingers crossed. Thank you for contributing to so many of our endeavors.
A very timely video - thank you for sharing. I tend to throw the baby out with the bath water, so a pivot in one's craft is an option I didn't take into consideration! Very excited to see the new direction!
Best of luck on your new challenge! I think if you taught in person you would have all great reactions. Thanks for all the great content, I really appreciate it!
I worked in the printing trade for 30 years and did restoration photography in my spare time for 20 years. The covid wrecked my industry to the point where I have had to made a change to restoration . My former industry is not going to recover from this. I have a long road ahead. I did once consider commercial photography a long time ago (I had the qualifications) but money was the barrier to that one.... Anyway good luck moving forward. I think a lot of people are in the same boat right now.
A very inciteful video. I shot weddings and portraits from 1993 - 2015. I did very well out of it and reached as high as I could go. I began in 2006 to feel it was a bit like Ground Hog Day, wash rinse repeat. In 2015 I woke up one day and said, "right, that is it. At the end of June I weill shoot my last wedding. My gut, (always listen to your gut feeling) was telling me it was time, actually beyond time to change. So I quit. I mothballed my camera gear knowing I would one day go back if I could. I needed a break from it so I got a job for a few years and covid hit. Covid gave me so much time to practice my new genre of photography, completely change to a new website and rebrand and so here I am again. My 5DSR is back by my side and I'm rebuilding my career. I'm refreshed and will never go back to my past life as a Wedding photographer. I've moved on and the industry has too. I'm intregued to hear your plans. Striving for something new in our careers and making the necessary changes are good for us. Keep up the great work and informative videos.
I studied Industrial Engineering...HATED IT!!! Left that, tried Market Research. Was okay. All the time trying to "everyone hates their job" thing, and "just try harder, you'll see you'll come to accept it." Got retrenched few months after I video'd a motorcycle rally. I flew in a gyrocopter with an awesome pilot. Thought...a lot more fun. Fast forward a few years, I'm on set on a commercial TV production as a spark (electrician). It's been four 16 hour days already and low pay...being a spark in a small city. Thought, has to be an easier way to make money. The next day, after another 18 hours shooting...Director yells "That's a WRAP!" and the first thought in my head was "can't we shoot tomorrow?" Fast forward another good bunch of years, I now work as a freelance Cinematographer, Film lighting Technician, and building a commercial photography portfolio and business. I pivoted. I didn't want to rely on the Film industry for my sole income...it's a hard life...fun but hard. I want to shape the film industry opportunities to my will by having another big income stream. Next up, in a few months I'll start RUclips as well, two channels...although the 2nd will likely be income free cause I feel it's a social good. So yeah, I've told myself a few times I shouldn't do this, but here I am, in a small town, in a country where the photographer does not by default have license to images. Where "usage fees" are terms as weird as "poolnoodle salad". Will I change...not at the moment no. I'm 41 and I want to be a photographer and cinematographer. It does mean at somepoint in the next year or two I have to move internationally, besides I want to live in Spain. And yes, I was told study Engineering son, you like cars so study engineering. I should've changed courses after the first semester. Thanks for the videos
Yeah I had a similar crisis regarding design at one stage, I was very dejected and thought my stuff was not the best so decided to do some extra courses, within the first day I realised I was way beyond and much more skilled than the tutors, they even asked me to teach, thankfully that was all I needed for a kick up the bum.
Wise words. I wish you well in your chosen change as a photographer. I hope we will see your changed way of photography. I love it when people give themselves a challenge. 8:47
I have noticed your IG absence actually. Knowing you I figured it was deliberate. I look forward to all being revealed. And always take the stoops option. It keeps life fun. I think quitting and change can both be very healthy.
Great advice and great video! 15 years ago I was architectural photographer, often published in local magazines and brochures. 10 years ago I started wedding photography, quite succesfully. Now I'm moving towards b2b video and photo production, in my small studio (40m2). My plan is to quit wedding photography in next 3-5 years. I still do shoot architecture occasionally. I guess I will not stop shooting weddings ccompletely until I reach 60 or so (i'm 50 now), but hopefuly it will not be my main photography occupation... And I will start teaching, I hope... And... well, who knows what future brings... but I'm almost sure I will be photographer and/or videographer until I retire 🙂
Sometimes I think you hold out hope you can recover the love and so if you don't persevere during the loveless time you aren't giving yourself that opportunity. From my own experience, only once did that happen for me and the rekindled love was a bright flame that burned out pretty quickly. Was it worth it? Yes, but I did waste a lot of time and energy on those that never reignited. Looking forward to seeing the new direction, Scott.
Funny how I found your channel now, when I am in similar spot (at least mindset wise). I was doing stuff that was easy for few years cause I started getting some income, from it but barely enjoying it. Eventually made a mistake in choosing gear - Sony ergonomics really did not fit me. Refused to invest more into learning and doing photoshoots I actually wanna do cause I was afraid to even try. Needed to take a break and reset for few years. But only selling the camera did the thing, cause then if I wanted to try again I needed to buy a new one, so it needed to be a more conscious decision than "oh let me try take few shots with this camera I hate". Got Fujifilm body, with 35m after crop, which for me is quite challenging as I never shot that wide lol. So I need to work on my composition, take the background into account, the angles etc.etc. One more thing for me, at least now, I needed to realize I don't really want to make money from photography. I want to have fun. So now I am answering the question, what is fun photography is for me? Also taking it seriously, as in investing in the learning aspect, I know my composition skills suck and I hate editing so need learn how to get better at first one, and create a more streamlined process for editing so I don't dread it so much. Thanks for the vid!
Always in a state of starting and stopping. Today my gear is all packed safely away (out of sight out of mind) but I know it won't be long before I blow the dust of my 5D IV, set up my lights and trick someone to step in front of my camera again. Definitely enjoy listening to your thoughts and insights. cheers from Vancouver.
Yeah man, gotta reinvent yourself. I like to think of this gig / profession as like being a music artist. You’ve perfected your album and you’re on tour for a few years, you are grateful that your on tour and that your album has a success. But you know you can’t keep making the same album. You gotta reinvent yourself for the next release. As a fellow music guy I’m sure you know what I mean.
I am sort of on the same space, but it seems like a natural progression. I am a public speaker, but probably I am no longer the youngest out there! When COVID hit, I moved into online presenting and found I loved it. 3 years later, I am starting to hand the reins to the youngsters and focus on the audio -video side and the production side.
Thank you for making a less "conventional" video. I am starting my photo/video journey, and I am considering if I eventually want to be a full-time photographer and quit my job (not a bad job btw) or maybe just be some sort of part time and embrace fully something else. Quitting in order to improve is not bad. Best of luck on your career.
Mate, I feel like you did when you first stated out, I love what I do but I find it so difficult to stay motivated and consistent in finding work. It feels like the work side has taken the love out of it. I want it to feel organic and fun again.
As I'm not doing photography in a professional capacity, no one has ever told me to quit photography - or for that matter my day job. But, I am myself at a point in my career, where either, I stay put and aim to keep doing my current job for the rest of my career, or I find something different to do within the next 6-12 months. Since my current employer is attempting to undercut the CBA I feel very motivated to find a new job elsewhere. Unfortunately due to health issues, mine is a subsidized job, which makes it more of a challenge to make a switch. As it is, I had to prove the consultant at the job centre wrong the last time I was unemployed to even end up with a job as good as my current job. The consultant thought I had inappropriately high ambitions at the time, because I only had about 2½ years worth of experiences from my old job, but it turned out to be enough, and it meant job security through out the Covid years. There is a big difference between quitting a career outright and moving your career in a new direction - and maybe taking a bit of a gamble. Seems like you know what you're doing, so I'll look forward to see, what you come up with next.
Loving the videos- great content and well put together. I have recently changed my job, same subject but working for myself, rather than others, so a change, this has also freed me up to pursue my photography. whist an enthusiastic amateur, I don’t have the confidence to take on commissions. Maybe I will find the right time for that ‘ change’ at some point.
I was advised not to become a photographer as a teenager. Have worked with different stuff in IT and telecom. Now i retire from that and go full time 📷. Please continue with your RUclips. You are one of very few that I learn something from. I’m not into food photography, and not into your style (I’m more a black and white portrait and reportage guy) but still I learn lots.
I think photography and any creative business is always one constant change and reinvention. The market is oversupplied with creative businesses in general. It is going to be rough going forward, but not impossible.
Thanks for sharing, looking forward to seeing what you have planned! I've booked a bunch of test shoots in a slightly different genre, shooting the first one tomorrow, exciting change. I feel like if we follow and shoot what we love we can't fail..? edit: can't fail in the sense that you enjoyed it anyway so even if nobody ends up hiring you, you still got something out of it.
I am only 3 years in from spending the previous 8 years working for other people in different aspects of media work and the brink has being there for the last half year. Each time I am close to putting a pause on things, some of my work gets a bit of recognition and then the odd call back for more work happens. Still broke but some how still on the move.
good luck for your career, funny enough this week i've also changed my career dramatically from freelance photographer to art director. looking forward to see new things, can't wait to see where it will take me.
Quitting is never an option for me. However, the pathway to change often looks like a big orange 🥕 🥕. I’m intrigued by what’s to follow. The only (ONLY) channel offering raw perspective and honest appraisal. Looking forward to the unveiling 🙏🏻
The best thing about running your own company is being able to decide to learn new skills and apply them to creative projects. At big companies you are put into a box and you are not allowed to leave it. No matter what your new interest is, if you give it your heart and soul you will find it to be rewarding. The money part of it is mysterious. If you do it for the love, there's a good chance the money will eventually follow. But it may take some time. I've enjoyed your channel as you are a shooter rather than just a pontificator. I wish you well on the new journey.
I just completed a BA degree course in photography and I think I might be done with taking pictures - certainly the type which serves the academic/artphoto gatekeepers. But photography has been in my life for a long time so I guess I too am probably just looking for the next train...
I went through a slump last year. Nothing was enjoyable anymore, not my filmmaking, not my cinematography, not my photography. I wanted to leave it all. But I took a break, for 6 weeks I went to work (and some gym) as I was still working back then, now freelancing. Came back end of the day, watched Netflix. Then one morning, the ski was fire orange and I went out to look at it. And in my rush I thought, lemme take my camera with my just for fun, maybe I use it, probs just gonna sit in the car. I enjoyed taking photos that morning. The fun was back. So now I am a big proponent, especially where photography or video is your income, to do out and do the fun things, the things where the outcome don't matter, it's just about taking photos and playing.
I am of the same inclination. Once you reach a level of success and the challenge starts to ebb, for the majority of folk the ongoing career path becomes easier the more they stick to it. More of the same becomes a formula. Nothing wrong with this approach of course. But, and there is always a but in life, More of the same is predictable and inevitably constraining. I am a malcontent who’s photography has spanned darkroom, to studio assistant, to digital, to fine art success, to awards, to hard news press and now video journalism, I admit to having ADHD but photography, hallelujah, is a broad field with huge and diverse possibilities, basic skills and sensibilities are easily transferable within the medium.
I am a FedEx courier, when I told my coworkers I wanted to quit to go into photography I was told not to even start because everyone can be a photographer with the phones these days. Well I have one client, I've done one quinceanera and one senior shoot for her. Still trying but it's a struggle with a full time job.
It's interesting that just a week ago, I personally realized that the direction I was going was a dead end (unless I moved to a bigger city). So this years I've decided to pivot (not quite) and pursue a different avenue (read niche) in photography. Hopefully my stubborness will prove me right.
I know we don't know what the change is but I wonder if you couldn't carry on with the stuff you do now that makes you all the money and spend some of the down time doing whatever the new thing is? I mean I get it as an artist you always want to feel like you are fresh and relevant and you are challenging yourself ... but I also know as an artist and a musician that the fresh and challenged path doesn't always make you relevant in the way that you can support yourself with. I respect bands that just make music that they want to make. I think of Rush, they have never been shy with changing and morphing their music in a way that kept them happy over all the years. But I think they have a financial cushion that allows them that luxury. Anyway I'm super excited to see your new direction!
As usual, you have a great story. And, you are an inspiration. As for me ... I am about to retire and begin a late-life career in photography. Your messages really give me hope regarding the move that I will make. You have positioned yourself to be successful in many arenas. Like other listeners, I'm eager to know what your next steps will be. By all means, however, continue to have fun!!!!
Test and adjust! An old army phrase. Never stop either, I wont, photography defines me it has helped me to be the person I am. Travel and adventure.. another chapter
I would say change is good, personally I'm an amateur Photographer, it's a hobby for me, I, just do my own thing purely for fun, the best of luck with your change.
When you get to the point of wondering if the path you are following is the right one for you, stop and for a while, 1 or 2 months, do something entirely different. After that time you will know if you have the enthusiasm to continue on or if it has lost its sparkle. If it is the latter continue for fun but professionally move on to something else that sparks your imagination.
As a person who has ADHD & Dyslexia, sunken cost is a major issue I struggle with often. People with learning differences work harder and spend more resources keeping up with others, so giving up can be psychologically harder to do, for fear of being seen as less than. Oddly enough there is one area where sunken cost fear has benefited me, and that is playing a musical instrument. I started playing guitar in my teens, and in my 20s I started learning classical guitar. I have gone through periods of not playing at all to times when I practise every day. The one thing that has gotten me back into playing has been looking at my very expensive handmade guitar and contemplating selling it. It gets me thinking of how much I enjoy it, and what a shame it would be if I threw all the time and expense I have sunk into it out. It was the right thing to do as I am now happily taking ensemble lessons and playing in an amateur trio. I was asked to do this by my former instructor, who had a much higher confidence in my playing skill than I have ever had. I am never going to be the best at it or a professional but that does not now or ever has it been the point of it to me, I enjoy it for what it gives back to me. I admire your skill at honest self-reflection, it is refreshing.
There are just some things one can't stop doing, for me it's photography. I'm no professional but as far as art goes photography is my top three forms of expression.
The last 5 yrs I’ve had a smaller goal within my “plan B career” and I’ve reached it. My dream was being a pro photographer and it has not been not happening. Question is: Shall I quit plan B and focus on my dream or get comfortable in it? Or transition maybe. Thanks for sharing these videos of the coices you’ve made and the consequences.
Totally... been shooting weddings for ten years - so now I just fancy a change! Just did my first corporate staff shoot for a bottle supplying company... brought a couple of lights, but a big window meant that I didn't even need them. Knocked up a new pixieset website and here I go. Hello weekends! Get me an agent!
I left commercial photography in 1980 after a ten year intense career (preceded by four years apprenticeship) for mainly three reasons: 1) I had worked myself to the bone and didn’t have the health to continue, 2) that situation was only going to get worse as I got older (I was 30 at the time and I suffer some of the consequences to this day), and 3) a new opportunity presented itself and I went on to a good career in IT design. Later that changed again, and I changed with it. That’s just my story, and different things happen to others, but none of us go through life without changes. What I think mattes is how we adapt to those changes, because if we don’t we break. So - break a leg, as the saying goes, with the change you are planning 🙂
I want to know if it’s possible to start in photography and eventually turn it into a creative agency, that’s always been my goal but I just don’t know if it is possible
I was told as a young man that I would never make it in photography. I went on to win awards both as a printer and photographer. I have photographed every Prime Minister since Thatcher, with the exception of Truss. I have been able to take care of a large family for over three decades. My only regret is that I didn`t go to university as I would like to teach photography, not for financial gain but to give back. However I can`t teach as I don`t have a degree. Even though I mentored an assistant from an A level in photography to winning a Getty prize and I could have a degree in anything but photography and still teach, rather than a lifetime as a working photographer. Ironically like you I almost took a different path wanting a career in Martial Arts, but I think wisely I kept it as a hobby.
Hmm, interesting and oddly familiar. The business of quitting. I am 71 and retired. I spent most of my career (engineering and IT) wondering if I should quit, with photography being my obsessive hobby. I tended to throw myself at projects (not career progression), and this led to people wanting me NOT to quit. I'm not at all crowing about my situation as it led to burnout syndrome. A change of topic (or direction) is a great way to remain sane while keeping a job, or just keeping it fresh. However, the day I retired (ill health and just not wanting to deal with the mountains of rules, regulations, best practices and professional development) was the first time I really quit my work. Didn't think of computers or business processes - the weight off my shoulders was amazing!!! Hahahaha! I would love it if you kept up your Patreon/RUclips vidwos.
I think in general, we all think a bit too much. Many older people you will talk to will tell you that all the worry was never worth it. We can't stop worrying, it's in our nature, but we can learn to recognize when it's in excess. Also, I wish I could remember the RUclips video I watched a year or more ago... It came up in a conversation with a friend the other day. Basically, it said that us humans have a tendency to regret whatever choice that we make. Take the A road, you will sometimes wish you'd taken the B road, and vice versa. Very true. Again, unavoidable. It's in our nature to wonder and so on, but to what end?
Quick question, I'm looking at, and will probably purchase both your "how to... commercially viable" and marketing 101 workshops. However, for my own sanity and to manage my time, is there a recommendation as to which I should go through first? Thanks!
I worked in a photo studio for years. The owner called me into the office one day and told me I didn't have it. I would never be a photographer. Fast forward 20 years I'm still a photographer running my own business.
I've been told to quit by several people for several different reasons. The worst I got was being told no one wanted to see the type of things I enjoy shooting. Funny thin is, Instagram contributed to the why I started again. I saw a photo randomly put in my feed that had a parallel style to what I liked to do. Through that person I found others. I stopped doing what I thought others wanted to see and started doing what I wanted to do. Next is videos. I've never planned to be a professional because I live in the US and I have Type 1 diabetes. I needed health insurance.
You don’t have to quit photography you just have to learn some other skills -things that maybe will enhance your photography, I did it’s called web development and video filming and editing!
For the first 5 years of my career I was told to quit by almost everyone. Family, friends, even MENTORS and I thought about it many many times. I've taken entire months off, done nothing but look for jobs and then jumped back in to photo. Something changed recently, now everyone is telling me to keep pushing, keep moving and don't give up. The few clients I have rave about me, local creative directors are telling me to go spend time in NYC where I can get paid more. My biggest skeptic, my dad, has taken a huge interest and loves building sets with me. I'll quit eventually, but lke you said. On MY time.
I was told to leave photography by other industry professionals, due to the fact that I was helping new photographers by giving them advice and helping them grow, i solved this problem by blocking those waffles :)
I had to pause it at 3 minutes to say something: I have a brother who’s 44 years old who’s been “following his passion” for 25 years and it’s amounted to nothing. He’s homeless, jobless, a burden to everyone- all he has is that passion. You’re good at what you do. People like what you do. I hate when people leave this part out. Nobody told you wrong, you’re just exceptionally good at what you do, something not many people can say.
I've quit photography 3 times in the last 12 years. Every time the work is more "technically proficient when i pick up a camera again. Every time i pick it up again my work develops more complexity, nuance and my creative motivation changes. Now i'm chasing this one perfect gray skin tone. Everyone should quit photography at least once or twice if only for a month.
Scott, I hope that you got the link I sent via FB messenger? Definitely pursue it, as you'll never regret it and it will launch you into that niche that you love so much. It is a great video, similar to my whole life, except that I burned out far too many relationships, marriages, women, and 4 grown children. Some idiots like myself will never learn. All in the pursuit of creativity, lol!!!
Everyone from my wife to my friends are telling me to not lean more into my hobby of wildlife photography. I have been working as a software engineer for over a decade now, been in that industry since I was a teenager, got a degree in computer science. Being successful in that career, folks think I'm nuts for trying to slowly build up my experience and following for my photography to eventually shift to that as my focus. They think I'm ridiculous for moving away from software, which is profitable and lucrative as a career. What people don't know is that spending decades writing software gets old fast. I've been in this industry long enough to see that the wheel just keeps on turning and what I do day-in-day-out doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. I'm just a cog among many cogs in a big corporate profit machine. The important thing for me is to keep learning, keep moving, and keep feeling like I'm progressing towards something. Maybe the next 10 years will be photography and then I'll switch to something else. People dislike change, so I can see why my embracing it wholeheartedly is uncomfortable for others to watch or think about.
I retired from my main 36 year career about 11 years ago at age 59. I got into photography 3 years before I retired. I like money and I thought people photography was what I needed to do and wanted to do. So I took up weddings, corporate events, some portrait work, family sessions, a little bit of real estate photography and ……. Needless to say I purchased a lot of stuff. Too much stuff. Now at age 70 I’m not growing in my business (never did get big) and I realize this was probably not a great plan, it cost me thousands of dollars, created a lot of unnecessary pressure to make money for income as well as to pay for my gear addiction. Although I do still enjoy shooting these types of things, I believe my passion and excitement is actually in wildlife and landscape shoots. But ……. there isn’t much money there unless you’re one of the rare great ones, ….. which I’m not. I often get down and frustrated to where I just want to quit completely and just take care of our 6 acres and fixer upper home (which I currently don’t have much time for). I’m at a dilemma and will be praying for guidance on what I should do.
You remind me of me. I have a (rather annoying) "been there, done that" mentality. I'm not sure I'll ever find that place where I can sit back and enjoy the scenery. I was a long-distance cyclist (by hobby) and cycled myself out. I achieved a cycling goal and immediately knew I'd had enough. It's a bit of a curse really, and I envy people who are happy growing prize-winning cucumbers all their life (or whatever normal people do).
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Heard so many of these. As young guy I was obsessed with photography. It was all I wanted to do. But I went to college, then Uni beckoned and as "an education is easier carried than a toolbox" to quote my Dad, I could go to Uni get the "good job" and use that to fund the photography. "Just keep it as a hobby" It took me a long time to realise that life doesn't work like that. It took me until my forties until I got a shot a being a pro and I loved it. Didn't make much money, but I loved it! Of course life got in the way again and I had to quit to become a carer. Pushing sixty now and realistically no chance of having the photography career I dreamt of. If I've got one piece of advice for anyone reading this it's really simple: follow your heart, follow your dreams and don't let anyone talk you out of it. "Unto thine own self be true."
I empathise. I was a web developer for many many years - always freelance. Got to the point where the whole market had changed and I couldn't be bothered to keep up with it. Projects would make me miserable. After Covid, I decided to pursue photography as a career. Whilst I'm still a hell of a long way from where I want to be, I now work shooting properties. It's bread and butter money and a fraction of what I could earn - but my god I'm so much happier. I felt like I was in a rut before, but now I can breathe and concentrate on new things.
I've been a pro photographer for 20 plus years and just quitted to become a a pm in an agency. i've reached a strange point where i won multiple international awards, had an agent, got pads on the shoulder by art buyers and art directors, telling me how cool and unique my work is, but still dind't got booked enough to have a positive perspective for the future. Not getting booked is bad enough, but being told to be great and not getting booked is more then frustrating. Being your own boss is great for obvious reasons, but having a monthly paycheck is something i envied my friends for the past year. Looking at the momentary state of the business in general, with a pandemic behind us, a war going on and AI around the corner, i had to face reality. I am no Van Gogh, a not recognized genius, where people go...oh look, how could we miss that. Not even if i cut of my ear. I am just a pretty good photographer, who didnt make it. One of many. I could whine about how unfair i think it is, how much i wish it wasnt so. But that wont bring me nowhere. I rather suck it up, and be thankful that i had the chance to get that far, that i had 7 great years as my own boss and could make money with something i love. Now its time to do something different and make a living, face new challenges and become in expert in a new field. One book finished, one new to read.
I have worked in the software industry for the past 15 years and despite having built a decent life through this career I have laways wanted to do photography full time. I did quit my IT job 10 years ago for six months to start a photography business and even though I didn't manage to make enough money in to stay in photography, my wife managed to conitnue with that business and she grew it into a relatively successful business with great reputaion. Me on the otherhand never got a second chance to give that a go again. I did do photography on weekends for a while but doing both a full time IT job and shooting and editing on weekends didn't leave any time to dedicate to my young child so kinda gave up on that idea. But I keep considering to switch to doing photography full time again as it matches my personality much more than IT and I think it would bring more balance to my life. These videos are very helpful and inspiring so thanks.
@@Ramin_Esfandiari kinda in the same position. I quit being a data analyst to work at a marketing agency doing video and editing. After 6 months it didn’t work out with the company and I’m now doing my own stuff, got my own LLC and trying to do this filmmaker thing. It’s an hustle i don’t know if I want to keep up with it. And I hate even after a great win I can never relax and I get anxious about what’s next. I’m starting to get more bookings but I know that’s because it’s summer and it’s the feast season. The data analyst job I left had me on contract ever since I left and low key is what I use to pay my bills. The contract looks like it’s at the end point and I’m thinking if I should get an IT job while working on the business at the same time because I hate feeling broke. Back to what you are talking about I don’t want to be in the hustle culture working each hour of my life. So I’m on the fences of re-entering the IT space
@@ShanygneKing Completely understand. If you don't have anyone that is financially dependent on you then I'd encourage you to stick you your own business as it will surely pick up at some point you won't have to worry too much about the next thing after you find your flow. Grinding in the software industry can take a toll on you if you are not suited for that sort of work hence the higher pay. Wish you all the best of luck mate.
@@Ramin_Esfandiari my financial obligations aren’t that massive. I’m able to pay bills and saving a little and do just that but thank you for the advise I have a lot more grinding to do
the key in life is to do what makes you happy regardless. The only way you will find that is to go trough the experiences in life good or bad ones, and don't live in fear.simple
Appreciated those thoughts. Especially the distinction of quitting and changing.
"Call many and chooses few." That a really brilliant quote. Insightfull.
You nailed it: most people’s “advice” is 100% about fear. Excellent takeaway about being the one to decide when to quit and/or transition/transform.
Thank you for sharing this! And to sharpen (my) distinction between quitting and changing. I like to be in the zone where it is difficult- don't know why, I just do. So my photography is all over the place. A camera and a lens is about the only common denominator. I blame myself and tell myself I should go photograph ravens only for 5 years like Fukase, but I simply get bored or loose the bigger perspective. So no solutions from my side unfortunately 🙂
Considering how you were able to make a very successful style jump a few years ago during Covid, I'm excited to see whatever you have going on this time.I'm sure it will be great!
Can't wait to see your career change. Best of luck on your preparations!
Thanks mate.. I'm in a similar stage in my career and life right now. This is food for my thought! 🙏🏾
I love this. Learning to quit is not giving up. I have said this for years. When you are doing things for the routine and not for the love. It's easy to fall into a rut, it is much harder to realize you are in it and to get out.
Not related to photography but software. Have a prototype I believe will be great but it's amazing how many people advise you that it won't work. No point trying. 2023 for me is the year of doing all the ideas and not listening to negative feedback so much. I'd say follow your gut which you are doing. Looking forward to hearing what your plans are mate. Love the channel. Cheers.
Reminds me of me reaching the 5 star review level for my drum making business. I had a massive health issue happen right at the same time and my Professor of Lungs (not her title but basically what she professes in) told me honestly "Its wealth or Health".
After a 2 month struggle and the 5 star review in the top drum magazine, I added up what I had achieved and I had achieved it all. Carrying on would just be "rinse and repeat" so I decided that saving my health was the path for me.
12 years later and here I am still breathing and now taking my first baby steps in "pro" photography.
So in short, I wish you well in your future adventures and I hope that bring you all you desire.
on the edge of my seat man, i binge watch your channel can not wait to see the changes you make. thanks for the efforts
What makes these videos so compelling is the honesty and the insight into the world of photography by a professional. I wish you well in your new venture, and hopefully these brilliant videos will still continue.
In order to grow we need to change. I’ve been going through a similar thought process myself lately. Time to stop doing what I’ve been doing and feel comfortable doing and go someplace “uncomfortable” in order to grow and learn. Best of luck.
It’s so nice to hear someone else who thinks quitting is okay. I don’t mean quitting when things get challenging and not having any grit. I mean quitting when you’ve truly exhausted your options, enjoyment, energy, etc. I think especially in the States we have a mindset that it’s never okay to quit. “You can sleep when you’re dead” is a disturbing phrase I’ve heard uttered by many people. I also studied violin for 9 years. I peaked around year 5 and then spent the next 4 watching everyone around me get better while I’d lost the drive but was afraid of quitting.
I look forward to whatever you’re going to do next. I’m sure you will bring the same energy and creativity to it - just because your focus has changed doesn’t mean you do. 😊
Was a pro shooter for over 20 years, quit and became a policeman. I just retired yesterday with a pension and now I can do MY photography free of any financial pressures. Always look ahead for a path to creative freedom.
Love your videos. Looking forward to see what this new change is.
I can relate to needing to change. I look forward to seeing where you're going.
Im so glad i subscribed to this channel. Before i sat down and found this video i was at the point of just quitting. It seems like i cant get a damn leg up in any part of the industry. Im not burnt out because i haven't even been shooting professionally for not even a year but im so tired of being told no. Which is stupid because people are told no everyday. Anyhow, Im not quitting now sense ive seen this video. If anyone is wondering im a rodeo / western lifestyle photographer. Ive been around rodeo my whole life and i love the culture, No im not a cowboy but i love the culture. So, thank you Tin House. Please keep the videos coming. I look forward in seeing your new photography journey.
100% agree, always quit/change direction if it's time for you. I've quit several good jobs and changed career direction couple of times over the years and planning another "I quit" moment coming on and not regretted it once, life's too short. Enjoy the videos, keep them coming.
Thought provoking, as ever! Thanks.
I live in Southern California and worked in tech prior to pandemic. As a shut-in I decided to hone my photography. I started on film as a kid, but it was cost prohibitive in those days. Now is an incredible time to learn photography. The digital age has ushered in the ability to shoot endlessly on battery and hard drive. That being said, I'm not making the money that I used to. Event photography is a rough gig. It's hard to make money at something that others will do for free. I generate a small income from affiliate advertising, but it's not sustainable. After watching your channel I have changed direction. I'm currently working on still life in a very specific niche. I don't know where I'm headed, but your channel has helped me "crack on." Event will remain a part of my life. The niche that I am interested in compliments a lot of events. Fingers crossed. Thank you for contributing to so many of our endeavors.
A very timely video - thank you for sharing. I tend to throw the baby out with the bath water, so a pivot in one's craft is an option I didn't take into consideration! Very excited to see the new direction!
Best of luck on your new challenge! I think if you taught in person you would have all great reactions. Thanks for all the great content, I really appreciate it!
I worked in the printing trade for 30 years and did restoration photography in my spare time for 20 years. The covid wrecked my industry to the point where I have had to made a change to restoration . My former industry is not going to recover from this. I have a long road ahead. I did once consider commercial photography a long time ago (I had the qualifications) but money was the barrier to that one.... Anyway good luck moving forward. I think a lot of people are in the same boat right now.
A very inciteful video. I shot weddings and portraits from 1993 - 2015. I did very well out of it and reached as high as I could go. I began in 2006 to feel it was a bit like Ground Hog Day, wash rinse repeat. In 2015 I woke up one day and said, "right, that is it. At the end of June I weill shoot my last wedding. My gut, (always listen to your gut feeling) was telling me it was time, actually beyond time to change. So I quit. I mothballed my camera gear knowing I would one day go back if I could. I needed a break from it so I got a job for a few years and covid hit. Covid gave me so much time to practice my new genre of photography, completely change to a new website and rebrand and so here I am again. My 5DSR is back by my side and I'm rebuilding my career. I'm refreshed and will never go back to my past life as a Wedding photographer. I've moved on and the industry has too. I'm intregued to hear your plans. Striving for something new in our careers and making the necessary changes are good for us. Keep up the great work and informative videos.
I studied Industrial Engineering...HATED IT!!! Left that, tried Market Research. Was okay. All the time trying to "everyone hates their job" thing, and "just try harder, you'll see you'll come to accept it." Got retrenched few months after I video'd a motorcycle rally. I flew in a gyrocopter with an awesome pilot. Thought...a lot more fun.
Fast forward a few years, I'm on set on a commercial TV production as a spark (electrician). It's been four 16 hour days already and low pay...being a spark in a small city. Thought, has to be an easier way to make money. The next day, after another 18 hours shooting...Director yells "That's a WRAP!" and the first thought in my head was "can't we shoot tomorrow?"
Fast forward another good bunch of years, I now work as a freelance Cinematographer, Film lighting Technician, and building a commercial photography portfolio and business. I pivoted. I didn't want to rely on the Film industry for my sole income...it's a hard life...fun but hard. I want to shape the film industry opportunities to my will by having another big income stream.
Next up, in a few months I'll start RUclips as well, two channels...although the 2nd will likely be income free cause I feel it's a social good.
So yeah, I've told myself a few times I shouldn't do this, but here I am, in a small town, in a country where the photographer does not by default have license to images. Where "usage fees" are terms as weird as "poolnoodle salad". Will I change...not at the moment no. I'm 41 and I want to be a photographer and cinematographer. It does mean at somepoint in the next year or two I have to move internationally, besides I want to live in Spain.
And yes, I was told study Engineering son, you like cars so study engineering. I should've changed courses after the first semester.
Thanks for the videos
Yeah I had a similar crisis regarding design at one stage, I was very dejected and thought my stuff was not the best so decided to do some extra courses, within the first day I realised I was way beyond and much more skilled than the tutors, they even asked me to teach, thankfully that was all I needed for a kick up the bum.
Wise words. I wish you well in your chosen change as a photographer. I hope we will see your changed way of photography. I love it when people give themselves a challenge. 8:47
I have noticed your IG absence actually. Knowing you I figured it was deliberate. I look forward to all being revealed. And always take the stoops option. It keeps life fun.
I think quitting and change can both be very healthy.
Great advice and great video! 15 years ago I was architectural photographer, often published in local magazines and brochures. 10 years ago I started wedding photography, quite succesfully. Now I'm moving towards b2b video and photo production, in my small studio (40m2). My plan is to quit wedding photography in next 3-5 years. I still do shoot architecture occasionally. I guess I will not stop shooting weddings ccompletely until I reach 60 or so (i'm 50 now), but hopefuly it will not be my main photography occupation... And I will start teaching, I hope... And... well, who knows what future brings... but I'm almost sure I will be photographer and/or videographer until I retire 🙂
Great video as always! Thank you for knowing good videos will tank, but doing them anyway
Just got on board with your RUclips channel ...and you're off! You were putting common sense and practical advise out there for so many !
Love the video! Change is good.
Hopefully, you will soon tell us your new adventure. Wishing you well, whatever it is!
Looking forward to seeing the direction you take next Scott
Sometimes I think you hold out hope you can recover the love and so if you don't persevere during the loveless time you aren't giving yourself that opportunity. From my own experience, only once did that happen for me and the rekindled love was a bright flame that burned out pretty quickly. Was it worth it? Yes, but I did waste a lot of time and energy on those that never reignited.
Looking forward to seeing the new direction, Scott.
Funny how I found your channel now, when I am in similar spot (at least mindset wise). I was doing stuff that was easy for few years cause I started getting some income, from it but barely enjoying it. Eventually made a mistake in choosing gear - Sony ergonomics really did not fit me. Refused to invest more into learning and doing photoshoots I actually wanna do cause I was afraid to even try. Needed to take a break and reset for few years. But only selling the camera did the thing, cause then if I wanted to try again I needed to buy a new one, so it needed to be a more conscious decision than "oh let me try take few shots with this camera I hate".
Got Fujifilm body, with 35m after crop, which for me is quite challenging as I never shot that wide lol. So I need to work on my composition, take the background into account, the angles etc.etc.
One more thing for me, at least now, I needed to realize I don't really want to make money from photography. I want to have fun. So now I am answering the question, what is fun photography is for me? Also taking it seriously, as in investing in the learning aspect, I know my composition skills suck and I hate editing so need learn how to get better at first one, and create a more streamlined process for editing so I don't dread it so much.
Thanks for the vid!
I like that you enjoy making RUclips videos.... because I like watching your RUclips videos !!
Always in a state of starting and stopping. Today my gear is all packed safely away (out of sight out of mind) but I know it won't be long before I blow the dust of my 5D IV, set up my lights and trick someone to step in front of my camera again.
Definitely enjoy listening to your thoughts and insights.
cheers from Vancouver.
Yeah man, gotta reinvent yourself. I like to think of this gig / profession as like being a music artist. You’ve perfected your album and you’re on tour for a few years, you are grateful that your on tour and that your album has a success. But you know you can’t keep making the same album. You gotta reinvent yourself for the next release. As a fellow music guy I’m sure you know what I mean.
I am sort of on the same space, but it seems like a natural progression. I am a public speaker, but probably I am no longer the youngest out there! When COVID hit, I moved into online presenting and found I loved it. 3 years later, I am starting to hand the reins to the youngsters and focus on the audio -video side and the production side.
The key, I believe, is to be “mission driven,” not “thing driven,” then the choices and direction become clear. By all means, go for it!
Thank you for making a less "conventional" video. I am starting my photo/video journey, and I am considering if I eventually want to be a full-time photographer and quit my job (not a bad job btw) or maybe just be some sort of part time and embrace fully something else.
Quitting in order to improve is not bad. Best of luck on your career.
Mate, I feel like you did when you first stated out, I love what I do but I find it so difficult to stay motivated and consistent in finding work. It feels like the work side has taken the love out of it. I want it to feel organic and fun again.
I'm right there with you mate!
Excited to see what you pivot into next
Thanks for being a soundboard and inspiration for your community
As I'm not doing photography in a professional capacity, no one has ever told me to quit photography - or for that matter my day job. But, I am myself at a point in my career, where either, I stay put and aim to keep doing my current job for the rest of my career, or I find something different to do within the next 6-12 months. Since my current employer is attempting to undercut the CBA I feel very motivated to find a new job elsewhere.
Unfortunately due to health issues, mine is a subsidized job, which makes it more of a challenge to make a switch.
As it is, I had to prove the consultant at the job centre wrong the last time I was unemployed to even end up with a job as good as my current job. The consultant thought I had inappropriately high ambitions at the time, because I only had about 2½ years worth of experiences from my old job, but it turned out to be enough, and it meant job security through out the Covid years.
There is a big difference between quitting a career outright and moving your career in a new direction - and maybe taking a bit of a gamble.
Seems like you know what you're doing, so I'll look forward to see, what you come up with next.
Take what you've got , grow change , expand . There's so much tech kicking off that needs small studio spaces ...
Loving the videos- great content and well put together.
I have recently changed my job, same subject but working for myself, rather than others, so a change, this has also freed me up to pursue my photography. whist an enthusiastic amateur, I don’t have the confidence to take on commissions. Maybe I will find the right time for that ‘ change’ at some point.
I was advised not to become a photographer as a teenager. Have worked with different stuff in IT and telecom. Now i retire from that and go full time 📷.
Please continue with your RUclips. You are one of very few that I learn something from. I’m not into food photography, and not into your style (I’m more a black and white portrait and reportage guy) but still I learn lots.
I think photography and any creative business is always one constant change and reinvention. The market is oversupplied with creative businesses in general. It is going to be rough going forward, but not impossible.
Thanks for sharing, looking forward to seeing what you have planned! I've booked a bunch of test shoots in a slightly different genre, shooting the first one tomorrow, exciting change. I feel like if we follow and shoot what we love we can't fail..? edit: can't fail in the sense that you enjoyed it anyway so even if nobody ends up hiring you, you still got something out of it.
I am only 3 years in from spending the previous 8 years working for other people in different aspects of media work and the brink has being there for the last half year. Each time I am close to putting a pause on things, some of my work gets a bit of recognition and then the odd call back for more work happens. Still broke but some how still on the move.
good luck for your career, funny enough this week i've also changed my career dramatically from freelance photographer to art director. looking forward to see new things, can't wait to see where it will take me.
Quitting is never an option for me. However, the pathway to change often looks like a big orange 🥕 🥕. I’m intrigued by what’s to follow. The only (ONLY) channel offering raw perspective and honest appraisal. Looking forward to the unveiling 🙏🏻
Good points Scott. I’m starting out again after quitting at least 4 times haha.
The best thing about running your own company is being able to decide to learn new skills and apply them to creative projects. At big companies you are put into a box and you are not allowed to leave it. No matter what your new interest is, if you give it your heart and soul you will find it to be rewarding. The money part of it is mysterious. If you do it for the love, there's a good chance the money will eventually follow. But it may take some time. I've enjoyed your channel as you are a shooter rather than just a pontificator. I wish you well on the new journey.
I just completed a BA degree course in photography and I think I might be done with taking pictures - certainly the type which serves the academic/artphoto gatekeepers. But photography has been in my life for a long time so I guess I too am probably just looking for the next train...
I went through a slump last year. Nothing was enjoyable anymore, not my filmmaking, not my cinematography, not my photography. I wanted to leave it all. But I took a break, for 6 weeks I went to work (and some gym) as I was still working back then, now freelancing. Came back end of the day, watched Netflix. Then one morning, the ski
was fire orange and I went out to look at it. And in my rush I thought, lemme take my camera with my just for fun, maybe I use it, probs just gonna sit in the car.
I enjoyed taking photos that morning. The fun was back. So now I am a big proponent, especially where photography or video is your income, to do out and do the fun things, the things where the outcome don't matter, it's just about taking photos and playing.
I am of the same inclination. Once you reach a level of success and the challenge starts to ebb, for the majority of folk the ongoing career path becomes easier the more they stick to it. More of the same becomes a formula. Nothing wrong with this approach of course. But, and there is always a but in life, More of the same is predictable and inevitably constraining. I am a malcontent who’s photography has spanned darkroom, to studio assistant, to digital, to fine art success, to awards, to hard news press and now video journalism, I admit to having ADHD but photography, hallelujah, is a broad field with huge and diverse possibilities, basic skills and sensibilities are easily transferable within the medium.
I am a FedEx courier, when I told my coworkers I wanted to quit to go into photography I was told not to even start because everyone can be a photographer with the phones these days. Well I have one client, I've done one quinceanera and one senior shoot for her. Still trying but it's a struggle with a full time job.
It's interesting that just a week ago, I personally realized that the direction I was going was a dead end (unless I moved to a bigger city). So this years I've decided to pivot (not quite) and pursue a different avenue (read niche) in photography. Hopefully my stubborness will prove me right.
I know we don't know what the change is but I wonder if you couldn't carry on with the stuff you do now that makes you all the money and spend some of the down time doing whatever the new thing is? I mean I get it as an artist you always want to feel like you are fresh and relevant and you are challenging yourself ... but I also know as an artist and a musician that the fresh and challenged path doesn't always make you relevant in the way that you can support yourself with. I respect bands that just make music that they want to make. I think of Rush, they have never been shy with changing and morphing their music in a way that kept them happy over all the years. But I think they have a financial cushion that allows them that luxury.
Anyway I'm super excited to see your new direction!
As usual, you have a great story. And, you are an inspiration. As for me ... I am about to retire and begin a late-life career in photography. Your messages really give me hope regarding the move that I will make. You have positioned yourself to be successful in many arenas. Like other listeners, I'm eager to know what your next steps will be. By all means, however, continue to have fun!!!!
Test and adjust! An old army phrase. Never stop either, I wont, photography defines me it has helped me to be the person I am. Travel and adventure.. another chapter
I would say change is good, personally I'm an amateur Photographer, it's a hobby for me, I, just do my own thing purely for fun, the best of luck with your change.
When you get to the point of wondering if the path you are following is the right one for you, stop and for a while, 1 or 2 months, do something entirely different. After that time you will know if you have the enthusiasm to continue on or if it has lost its sparkle. If it is the latter continue for fun but professionally move on to something else that sparks your imagination.
As a person who has ADHD & Dyslexia, sunken cost is a major issue I struggle with often. People with learning differences work harder and spend more resources keeping up with others, so giving up can be psychologically harder to do, for fear of being seen as less than. Oddly enough there is one area where sunken cost fear has benefited me, and that is playing a musical instrument. I started playing guitar in my teens, and in my 20s I started learning classical guitar. I have gone through periods of not playing at all to times when I practise every day. The one thing that has gotten me back into playing has been looking at my very expensive handmade guitar and contemplating selling it. It gets me thinking of how much I enjoy it, and what a shame it would be if I threw all the time and expense I have sunk into it out. It was the right thing to do as I am now happily taking ensemble lessons and playing in an amateur trio. I was asked to do this by my former instructor, who had a much higher confidence in my playing skill than I have ever had. I am never going to be the best at it or a professional but that does not now or ever has it been the point of it to me, I enjoy it for what it gives back to me. I admire your skill at honest self-reflection, it is refreshing.
There are just some things one can't stop doing, for me it's photography. I'm no professional but as far as art goes photography is my top three forms of expression.
There is a high probability that if you listen other people what your profession should be, you will be quite unhappy. Rock on man and keep exploring!
The last 5 yrs I’ve had a smaller goal within my “plan B career” and I’ve reached it. My dream was being a pro photographer and it has not been not happening. Question is: Shall I quit plan B and focus on my dream or get comfortable in it? Or transition maybe.
Thanks for sharing these videos of the coices you’ve made and the consequences.
Totally... been shooting weddings for ten years - so now I just fancy a change! Just did my first corporate staff shoot for a bottle supplying company... brought a couple of lights, but a big window meant that I didn't even need them. Knocked up a new pixieset website and here I go. Hello weekends! Get me an agent!
I left commercial photography in 1980 after a ten year intense career (preceded by four years apprenticeship) for mainly three reasons: 1) I had worked myself to the bone and didn’t have the health to continue, 2) that situation was only going to get worse as I got older (I was 30 at the time and I suffer some of the consequences to this day), and 3) a new opportunity presented itself and I went on to a good career in IT design. Later that changed again, and I changed with it. That’s just my story, and different things happen to others, but none of us go through life without changes. What I think mattes is how we adapt to those changes, because if we don’t we break. So - break a leg, as the saying goes, with the change you are planning 🙂
I want to know if it’s possible to start in photography and eventually turn it into a creative agency, that’s always been my goal but I just don’t know if it is possible
I was told as a young man that I would never make it in photography. I went on to win awards both as a printer and photographer. I have photographed every Prime Minister since Thatcher, with the exception of Truss. I have been able to take care of a large family for over three decades. My only regret is that I didn`t go to university as I would like to teach photography, not for financial gain but to give back. However I can`t teach as I don`t have a degree. Even though I mentored an assistant from an A level in photography to winning a Getty prize and I could have a degree in anything but photography and still teach, rather than a lifetime as a working photographer. Ironically like you I almost took a different path wanting a career in Martial Arts, but I think wisely I kept it as a hobby.
Hmm, interesting and oddly familiar. The business of quitting. I am 71 and retired. I spent most of my career (engineering and IT) wondering if I should quit, with photography being my obsessive hobby. I tended to throw myself at projects (not career progression), and this led to people wanting me NOT to quit. I'm not at all crowing about my situation as it led to burnout syndrome. A change of topic (or direction) is a great way to remain sane while keeping a job, or just keeping it fresh.
However, the day I retired (ill health and just not wanting to deal with the mountains of rules, regulations, best practices and professional development) was the first time I really quit my work. Didn't think of computers or business processes - the weight off my shoulders was amazing!!! Hahahaha!
I would love it if you kept up your Patreon/RUclips vidwos.
I think in general, we all think a bit too much. Many older people you will talk to will tell you that all the worry was never worth it. We can't stop worrying, it's in our nature, but we can learn to recognize when it's in excess. Also, I wish I could remember the RUclips video I watched a year or more ago... It came up in a conversation with a friend the other day. Basically, it said that us humans have a tendency to regret whatever choice that we make. Take the A road, you will sometimes wish you'd taken the B road, and vice versa. Very true. Again, unavoidable. It's in our nature to wonder and so on, but to what end?
Quick question, I'm looking at, and will probably purchase both your "how to... commercially viable" and marketing 101 workshops. However, for my own sanity and to manage my time, is there a recommendation as to which I should go through first? Thanks!
Commercially viable body of work first 🎉🎉
I worked in a photo studio for years. The owner called me into the office one day and told me I didn't have it. I would never be a photographer. Fast forward 20 years I'm still a photographer running my own business.
A point to be considered is that writers, find it "hard to make it" not all writers will "make it!' the same happens with actors, painters.
I've been told to quit by several people for several different reasons. The worst I got was being told no one wanted to see the type of things I enjoy shooting. Funny thin is, Instagram contributed to the why I started again. I saw a photo randomly put in my feed that had a parallel style to what I liked to do. Through that person I found others. I stopped doing what I thought others wanted to see and started doing what I wanted to do. Next is videos.
I've never planned to be a professional because I live in the US and I have Type 1 diabetes. I needed health insurance.
You don’t have to quit photography you just have to learn some other skills -things that maybe will enhance your photography, I did it’s called web development and video filming and editing!
For the first 5 years of my career I was told to quit by almost everyone. Family, friends, even MENTORS and I thought about it many many times. I've taken entire months off, done nothing but look for jobs and then jumped back in to photo. Something changed recently, now everyone is telling me to keep pushing, keep moving and don't give up. The few clients I have rave about me, local creative directors are telling me to go spend time in NYC where I can get paid more. My biggest skeptic, my dad, has taken a huge interest and loves building sets with me. I'll quit eventually, but lke you said. On MY time.
@samcooper5539 keen to see your work. Whenever someone mentions building sets for photography, my ears perk up
oh man I hear that all the time , specially that people cant understand this career path and for many it is not serious job...
I was told to leave photography by other industry professionals, due to the fact that I was helping new photographers by giving them advice and helping them grow, i solved this problem by blocking those waffles :)
I had to pause it at 3 minutes to say something: I have a brother who’s 44 years old who’s been “following his passion” for 25 years and it’s amounted to nothing. He’s homeless, jobless, a burden to everyone- all he has is that passion.
You’re good at what you do. People like what you do. I hate when people leave this part out. Nobody told you wrong, you’re just exceptionally good at what you do, something not many people can say.
I've quit photography 3 times in the last 12 years.
Every time the work is more "technically proficient when i pick up a camera again.
Every time i pick it up again my work develops more complexity, nuance and my creative motivation changes. Now i'm chasing this one perfect gray skin tone.
Everyone should quit photography at least once or twice if only for a month.
Scott, I hope that you got the link I sent via FB messenger? Definitely pursue it, as you'll never regret it and it will launch you into that niche that you love so much. It is a great video, similar to my whole life, except that I burned out far too many relationships, marriages, women, and 4 grown children. Some idiots like myself will never learn. All in the pursuit of creativity, lol!!!
Everyone from my wife to my friends are telling me to not lean more into my hobby of wildlife photography. I have been working as a software engineer for over a decade now, been in that industry since I was a teenager, got a degree in computer science. Being successful in that career, folks think I'm nuts for trying to slowly build up my experience and following for my photography to eventually shift to that as my focus. They think I'm ridiculous for moving away from software, which is profitable and lucrative as a career.
What people don't know is that spending decades writing software gets old fast. I've been in this industry long enough to see that the wheel just keeps on turning and what I do day-in-day-out doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. I'm just a cog among many cogs in a big corporate profit machine.
The important thing for me is to keep learning, keep moving, and keep feeling like I'm progressing towards something. Maybe the next 10 years will be photography and then I'll switch to something else. People dislike change, so I can see why my embracing it wholeheartedly is uncomfortable for others to watch or think about.
I retired from my main 36 year career about 11 years ago at age 59. I got into photography 3 years before I retired. I like money and I thought people photography was what I needed to do and wanted to do. So I took up weddings, corporate events, some portrait work, family sessions, a little bit of real estate photography and ……. Needless to say I purchased a lot of stuff. Too much stuff. Now at age 70 I’m not growing in my business (never did get big) and I realize this was probably not a great plan, it cost me thousands of dollars, created a lot of unnecessary pressure to make money for income as well as to pay for my gear addiction. Although I do still enjoy shooting these types of things, I believe my passion and excitement is actually in wildlife and landscape shoots. But ……. there isn’t much money there unless you’re one of the rare great ones, ….. which I’m not. I often get down and frustrated to where I just want to quit completely and just take care of our 6 acres and fixer upper home (which I currently don’t have much time for). I’m at a dilemma and will be praying for guidance on what I should do.
Are you becoming a full time RUclipsr and stopping photography?
I go through an identity crisis if I start to think about quitting photography or thinking about how AI might replace it.
Never having chased an occupation for the money, I've lived a good and happy life under the premise; if I don't like it I'll change it.
You remind me of me.
I have a (rather annoying) "been there, done that" mentality.
I'm not sure I'll ever find that place where I can sit back and enjoy the scenery.
I was a long-distance cyclist (by hobby) and cycled myself out. I achieved a cycling goal and immediately knew I'd had enough.
It's a bit of a curse really, and I envy people who are happy growing prize-winning cucumbers all their life (or whatever normal people do).
I am almost 70, and I have I have only shot manually for less than a year. I just want to go wild.