Stephen Penman: Value vs. Growth Investing and the Value Trap

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  • @richardgordon
    @richardgordon 4 месяца назад +5

    My recommendation is to buy Stephen Penman's textbooks Financial Statement Analysis and Security Valuation. I've re-read it and poured over it years to squeeze every last drop of wisdom. The book is challenging, but it WILL make you money if you are interested in investing. I would say it's the best book I've ever read/worked through on the topic of investing and financial analysis.

  • @tokyoinvestor3855
    @tokyoinvestor3855 6 лет назад +7

    Thank you for the lesson.

  • @MazharHussain-lp7bg
    @MazharHussain-lp7bg 6 лет назад +10

    Priceless wisdom! So good to see Sir Stephen in 2017. Please, keep posting in future.

  • @nbme-answers
    @nbme-answers 5 лет назад +23

    Mm-kay?!!

  • @user-mm8pm7ol3r
    @user-mm8pm7ol3r 4 года назад +11

    The thing they don't teach you, is that B/P works ON AVERAGE because of the few stocks that shoot up, while MOST of the actually FAIL. The distribution is heavily skewed with the bulk of returns being negative and a long "tail" of outperformers. So if one wanted to capture the B/P effect, one would have to invest in all the stocks with a high B/P, or at least a very large chunk of the high B/P universe. This makes it a hard-to-implement, if at all possible, strategy.

  • @dodgingdurangos924
    @dodgingdurangos924 5 лет назад +34

    Columbia Business School has the worst cameramen/directors ever.
    They need to focus more time on the projections on the screen whenever the lecturer refers to them. Following him around is like following a fly. It's a distraction.

  • @josephmunoru3845
    @josephmunoru3845 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the update on the same lessons

  • @CongCCHINA-wz4zg
    @CongCCHINA-wz4zg 4 месяца назад

    I am deeply enamored by his academic acumen!

  • @vangelism7591
    @vangelism7591 5 лет назад +1

    Good stuff.

  • @rhythmandacoustics
    @rhythmandacoustics 3 года назад +3

    Very nice lecture. I had to pause and play many times to actually think about it. Value vs Growth are merely labels and are not really useful in investing, and are only useful as a reference during conversation in order to have a common reference. Accounting doesn't write potential profitability only concrete profitability due to accrual accounting methods, and other conservative methods. Technology companies are hard to evaluate. I am not an accountant but I wonder what GAAP vs IFRS would do to the evaluation of certain companies.

  • @muskduh
    @muskduh 2 года назад

    thanks for the video

  • @josephmunoru3845
    @josephmunoru3845 2 года назад

    It's a good idea value and intesting

  • @surajmondal8463
    @surajmondal8463 3 года назад +1

    Sir, just want to say thanks for the video, and this could have little better. Though, I'm a finance student but I was feeling left out.

  • @mjlyco9752
    @mjlyco9752 4 года назад +7

    TL;DR; value is riskier. It has had a higher historical return because it happened to pay off positively. If you invest in value stocks you take on more risk which you may or may not be compensated for.
    A much simpler explanation than he gives is that the price is lower than other stocks given future expected earnings therefore it must be riskier. If it wasn’t, people would be willing to pay more to own it.

  • @musalimimanov6002
    @musalimimanov6002 7 месяцев назад

    Nice lecture 🙏

  • @Future_ology
    @Future_ology 2 года назад

    Isn't growth and value a chain reaction, one or the other happens first then the other steps forward with the other?

  • @cj4009
    @cj4009 5 лет назад +11

    And sooooo....
    What is a value trap and how do I avoid it?

    • @rhythmandacoustics
      @rhythmandacoustics 3 года назад

      Re-watch the video again.

    • @siddhantdeshmukh7120
      @siddhantdeshmukh7120 3 года назад +1

      He is saying that by betting on high B/P and E/P you end up buying a more riskier investment. He proved that using some accounting principles. Most of the video explains the numbers behind the statement.

  • @TheRilai
    @TheRilai 4 года назад +1

    great lecturer

  • @wangscu
    @wangscu 2 года назад

    nice talk

  • @cj4009
    @cj4009 5 лет назад

    Soooo... what do I do to appropriately and more profitably make value investments?

  • @coachgius
    @coachgius 4 года назад +11

    Why a heck terminology is inverted, is that an intellectual game? Great content but one has to figure out the inverse of all he says! P/E and P/B!

    • @rhythmandacoustics
      @rhythmandacoustics 3 года назад +4

      Simple. It's the reciprocals. If it is 30% empty, it is 70% full.

  • @LegendofDestinyV2
    @LegendofDestinyV2 Год назад

    They changed accounting standards to capitalize R&D now, so it is an asset on the balance sheet.

  • @kimberlyrae5110
    @kimberlyrae5110 4 года назад +2

    what's water on the balance sheet?

    • @Monopolist91
      @Monopolist91 2 месяца назад

      goodwill and intangibles.

  • @loud9820
    @loud9820 5 лет назад +6

    mhmm

  • @Virus278
    @Virus278 5 лет назад

    13:50 how is 8.7 the reciprocal of 11.5?

    • @BM-ru7ef
      @BM-ru7ef 5 лет назад +6

      I think because the yield at P/E of 11.5 is 8.7%. If PE is 11.5/1, the reciprocal is 1/11.5 = .0869 or 8.7%

    • @willi9723
      @willi9723 5 лет назад +1

      yes, with a 11.5 pe you would have 8.7% return in an investment.

  • @CollinSumpter
    @CollinSumpter 2 года назад

    “What do we do when we fall Mr. Wayne? M’kay? We learn to pick ourselves back up. M’kay?”- Alfred from Batman

  • @armitageshanks2499
    @armitageshanks2499 Год назад

    Who's the lady at 28:50? I may have found ... ❤

  • @loveanimals-0197
    @loveanimals-0197 4 года назад +2

    Can someone do the TL;DW version here? Thanks.

  • @abidrahman7253
    @abidrahman7253 3 года назад

    Didn’t expect an Aussie accent

  • @travisbroussard4234
    @travisbroussard4234 5 лет назад +7

    This man is an accountant, not an investor.

    • @garhhh9513
      @garhhh9513 3 года назад +15

      When you dissociate the two, you, my friend become neither an investor nor an accountant but a gambler.

    • @spicex4k901
      @spicex4k901 3 года назад +1

      @@garhhh9513 idiot

    • @painexotic3757
      @painexotic3757 3 года назад

      @@garhhh9513 Goodluck retiring without investing your money and it being eaten away by inflation lol

    • @frankyfourfingers1382
      @frankyfourfingers1382 3 года назад +3

      @@garhhh9513 Your comment was extremely insightful, but it seems your audience wasn't having any of it.

  • @phamman88
    @phamman88 6 лет назад +5

    This guy sounds like an Aussie

    • @Adam-ui4ef
      @Adam-ui4ef 6 лет назад +4

      His bio says he hid his undergraduate study at the University of Queensland

  • @lorenzmuller3542
    @lorenzmuller3542 3 года назад +2

    Well, I wanna see his track record... Otherwise it's just "interesting" but nothing more.

  • @sujonpalit3436
    @sujonpalit3436 3 года назад +1

    Uh uh

  • @zyxwfish
    @zyxwfish 5 лет назад +3

    Dude can't control the volume of his voice.

  • @Lukrafiveman
    @Lukrafiveman 3 года назад

    Umm ummm ummm ahhhh umm ahhh
    I can't listen to this anymore, had to turn off the video 2 minutes in

    • @hellomate6079
      @hellomate6079 3 года назад +1

      Turn subtitle on and speed up the video

  • @lorenzmuller3542
    @lorenzmuller3542 3 года назад

    Never trust accountants. Those numbers are available to everyone. Useless lecture for retail investors.

  • @user-mm8pm7ol3r
    @user-mm8pm7ol3r 4 года назад

    An excellent writer and a terrible lecturer. The way he speaks to the audience, you'd think it was a kindergarten (perhaps that's how he sees it).