The master and the pupil. And I must say the pupil turned out to be pretty damn good. Holmes became a top 5 heavweight champion who trained with the master boxer in Ali.
@Gary Pollard: Not quite sure of where you're trying to go with your comment, but when Ali was laid to rest: He left his Estate with a $50 M. Networth. So you 👁👀 He had his money as well! How did you come to the conclusion that Ali died broke?! Please explain yourself, backed up by actual facts. Laila Ali, and family are my facts, whose yours?!!! 😒😒😒
Though Holmes wasn’t a great Amateur Muhammad gave him the confidence he needed and I hate that Holmes beat him more than enough almost to death but to think that Don King ripped Muhammad off so much he had to fight Again vs Trevor Berbick cuz he was broke and he had no business fighting after Holmes beat him to a pulp..But he had to...SMH
Holmes learned Ali’s weaknesses by sparring him and Ali paid him to do it. But Ali knew Holmes’ weaknesses too and he knew that Tyson could beat him. Ali seemed to enjoy watching Tyson knock Holmes down.
Larry had a top tier jab. He might have hung around too long but (Tyson aside) he actually fought better competition in the 90's than he did in the 80's.
@Frankie Bop Larry only had a few weeks to train for that fight after having been retired almost 2 years. He might have not won but if Larry was actually conditioned that would have been a much different fight.
@@therealc.t.7085also he fought a Tyson who was at his very very best technically , defensively ,fitness , motivation. Larry looked terrified and couldn't handle Mike's power on the night. Had he fought the Mike who fought Bruno (1) ,Buster or Ruddock ,Larry would have won.
Read a book that Ali stated that this young kid who he sparr's with will become World Champion. It was Larry Holmes. As I grew up and learned more about the craft,,,, Damn Larry was soooooo Good. Sweetest jab ever. Saw some greats in my life . Love them both.
Ali would work on different things in sparing as he said, some time I work on only boxing some time only slugging and some time I work only on dancing and getting away. And when I fight I put it all together
Frazier hurts every time he thinks of Ali. His hostility still rages within. It's a consuming, ugly bitterness he has carried for decades, the result of the hurtful things Ali has said. He insulted his intelligence, his character and his lack of black pride. Ali called Frazier ugly and ignorant and, most disturbingly, an Uncle Tom. Frazier, the son of South Carolina sharecroppers, was deeply wounded by Ali's ridicule which was accepted as socio-political fact and isolated Frazier from the black community. Ali somehow succeeded in making a fight between two African - American men a matter of black and white. Throughout the black community, he was an object of derision and scorn because of the way Ali treated him, it was cruel. The hatred grew intensely within Frazier. He was unable to compete with Ali's eloquence, but he had a left hook that could do the talking for him. Frazier, with loating in his heart and thunder in his Everlast gloves, punished Ali for the things he said. Notice after Ali vs Frazier 1 fight announcers said Frazier was feeling sic in his corner and he just wanted to go back to dressing room. That's because Joe couldn't slow his heart and nervous system back down to a resting state. Joe already had history of high blood pressure and diabetes, he spent nearly two weeks in the hospital for exhaustion, blood pressure, diabetes and kidney problems.. BUT BUT when he was in his 40s Joe was out dancing and singing in the clubs while Ali couldn't talk and his tremors were getting worse. Younger folks haven't a clue what Ali actually did to Joe, let me explain by saying it's exactly like today's Hollywood liberal cancel culture. Frazier hated that Louisville Lip and before fight he got on his knees and prayed to God that he could make Ali perish. Personally i have to admit, everytime Frazier smacked Ali i cheered, WE ALL CHEERED 👋👋👋👋👋👋 MILLIONS CHEERED.
When a simple man is put on tv most of his lifetime and praised by most everybody you should ask yourself, what is the purpose behind this demigod? Some folks need a leader to worship so the liberal deep state elites gives it to them through media outlets which controls through psychological deception and manipulation. The social engineering around Ali was incredible and today's blm millennial me too cancel culture will eventually demand a National Holiday for him. The media hype built him up so audience viewers became entranced hypnotized and mesmerized from the entertainment and viewed his fights as iconic historic events even when he was losing and being rocked senseless. Ali was chosen by the system and turned into a left wing political pawn, that's why he has an $85 million dollar museum in Louisville KY. Where is Louis Marciano Frazier and Holmes museums?? At least Joe Louis was buried in Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors unlike Clay who dodged. Elijah Mahomud convinced Clay to dodge cause he was their meal ticket, so Clay faked being Minister so he could dodge Nam while preaching cancel culture towards the white man who he called "Devel's." Jackie Robinson said, "Ali's stand was hurting his race who were, unlike him, fighting in Vietnam. The tragedy to me is, Cassius has made millions of dollars off the American public, and now he's not willing to show his appreciation to a country that's giving him, in my view, a fantastic opportunity." At that time being drafted was the Law!!! When he refused induction someone had to take his place, how would you like it if that someone was You? I served in Nam shoulder to shoulder with black men who were the real heroes of America, not that privileged bigoted racist. The lottery chose me right outta highschool and my parents didn't have money to send me to Canada or bribe a doctor for medical excuse. Dad told me, "son, it's the's law, go fight hard, and represent your country well." So i fought hard, and represented my flag proudly. What would you have done? Donald J. T. avoided Nam and the world hates him, Cassius Clay resists and becomes a famous civil rights activist and legendary antiwar hero. Today BLM is painted on every basketball court and I'm supposed too become less white and reprogrammed, something is twisted. Ali's legend is far greater than the actual reality of his career like getting rocked by 185 lb fighters and outscoring flat footed sluggers. I stepped through those ropes 24 times and it's not that difficult after first several fights. What's difficult is working a common job 10 hours a day for 50 years to pay mortgage and put food on the table for your children. Billy Marine Corp 🇺🇸 Semper Fi 69 to 71
@@studentofsweetscience6922 You’re as sick as Frazier was dude. I think everyone agrees that Ali took things too far. And there was a time after the fight in Manila where Ali realized what he had done and was brought to tears. There’s is no one alive that looks down on Joe Frazier. But Joe held hate deep in his heart for 4 decades, hate that he should have let go long before he did. Hate that made him sicker than he should have been. Sounds like you might be suffering from some of that as well.
@@bandit7498 "Now people ask me if I feel bad for him, now that things aren't going so well for him. Nope. I don't give a damn. They want me to love him, but I'll open up the graveyard and bury his hss when the Lord chooses to take him." -- 1996 autobiography, "Smokin'Joe"
I don't see him dominating here at all. Ali is practicing the evasive movement here he would need against Foreman. They were role playing with Holmes playing the role of a pursuing Foreman. Ali is evading effectively here.
Ali's footwork isn't even 50% what it used to be in the 60's in this 70's clip yet he can dodge prime Holmes' jab and combos with both hands down. Very interesting.
Larry holmes didn't his peak time but Ali become slowed down and Larry holmes was younger than Ali. I think Ali could beat holmes at 1975. Larry holmes was a baloon.
@@seeya101oliASWHDFIL Only someone ignorant would say that. You can't have a sparring partner that's better than you or beats you up regularly. Ali would purposely downplay his skills against Holmes and other partners. That's how training is.
larry does not dominate this fight, actually in this particular video something amazing happens; ali is neutralizing larry's goated left jab. No one could do that. Even tho Ali is old in this video, he is still moving and dodging holmes' left jab. Truly the greatest.
Holmes isn’t even throwing his jab hard. He is just messing. Ali is my man and I would say that Ali could have beaten Holmes all the way up to Ali vs Spinks II after that Ali was never the same. Don’t get me wrong Ali would still have to be on his game to beat Holmes. The 2 thing people tend to forget - we never saw Ali in his prime is one and the other is Ali always had Parkinson syndrome in him it affected him more after the layoff but we still saw the Ali with the amazing Chin and Ali with the incredible heart. Holmes was a great Champion in his own right but still he was not Ali….
Remember to folks, this 47 seconds of sparring is Ali well after his prime, just working on movement & timing. He'd allow Larry to hit him up against the ropes when he trained for Big George Foreman.
Being from Louisville being a fighter trained by Jimmy Ellis and our brotherhood with Muhammad being our leader and legend he had a long Amateur career then All the political problems and being stripped and hated and he boxed for 25 years at the end he hardly trained he just entertained but he was burnt out and beatdown his last great performance was the thilla in Manila after that he was a shell of himself ..Holmes was a young fresh fighter that pushed Muhammad in the gym and that helped Holmes down the road and Muhammad was spent..Louisville has had 4 Heavyweight Champions My Homeboys RIP
Well after his prime is an overstatement, his physical prime was in the late 60s when he had great legs . 70s Ali was the greatest as we know it. Better tougher stronger more experienced.
@@hassanx9423 Remember Muhammad lost 3 years of his prime he was unbelievable nothing the World had ever seen In A boxing ring or out..he put unnecessary pressure on himself..And there will never be nobody like Muhammad Ali my homeboy.
Ali missed his prime because of the draft...and here ali is moving well ..and Holmes is all over him.....pressure pressure....here bodini in the background...come on Champ
@@harlemmarine1234 yes, Ali was one of the fastest unorthodox Heavyweights ever in his Prime, but the thing that was discovered and became evident even after his prime he was still pretty damn fast not as fast as he was in 1964 of course, but he could endure and take a tremendous amount of punishment and still dish out good shots. Until the inevitable end of his career, he shouldn't have been allowed to fight Holmes in the early 80's. Not fair at all and messed up. Everyone knew at that point Ali wasn't beating Holmes. But entertainment factor and money making factor for promoters override the humane right thing to do.
He lost too much weight trying to get ready for the Holmes fight, he lost his last fight, but he actually looked decent against Berbick. Lot of people don't remember that fight, but at least Ali went out fighting, instead of having the Holmes fight be his last.
@@billoddiea Haha Tyson would have been devastated by Ali. Tyson was mentally incapable of keeping up emotionally and would have probably kicked Ali or bit his ear. Tyson was a head case. Ali would have destroyed him friend
Nice to see that bitter Holmes couldn't catch Ali in just a sparring match...and that's his place in boxing history...miles behind Ali!! Beating an old and sick Ali later in his career and say you always knew you could beat him don't mean shit Holmes!!
This is why Bruce Lee thought that That Ali was the greatest fighter he had ever seen, however in my opinion SRR was the all time goat with all around skills. In this video a prime Ali was a lot smoother than Holmes , who looked a bit awkward.
@ Clinton Houston, Dude! I've been saying that all my life that Sugar Ray Robinson was the best to ever lace up the gloves. People talk about other fighters of the recent eras as being the best, but I know better. I also read years ago that Bruce Lee thought Ali was the best heavyweight because of his fast movements around the ring. And your last name is Houston too? You must be pretty smart!
Sugar Ray was Ali's idol. When Ali fought Liston the first time, and Ray was introduced in the ring, Ali took his hands and bowed to him. Twice. That's mad respect.
This is the Ali that would’ve made Holmes miss and beaten him seven days a week, twice on Sundays. Holmes was great but Ali was greater. This video shows a clip of the real Ali.
Holmes was not mobile enough to trouble a young Ali. When Holmes tried to dance it seemed his bottom half was disconnected to his top half. Awful mobility but a top class jab= NOT ENOUGH TO BEAT THE GOAT!!!
@@teacher3469 I agree with that assessment. Ali had the legs, stamina and movement to beat Holmes. Jab for jab, Holmes was better but speed for speed, Ali gets him. Holmes was great but Ali was greater.
Michael Hubbard you definitely know boxing twice on Sunday I love it. I just wish so bad I could have seen Ali give Larry Holmes the business in his prime, that fight should never have happened Ali was not in good health at all, that's one fight I cannot watch.
@@michaelbryant2987 It makes me sick as well. That fight should have been banned. But it wasn't because Don King was thinking about money at the expense of Ali's health.
I think this '74 Ali would've beaten a prime Holmes. Look at Ali easily dodging Holmes fast hands. Prime Holmes was easier to hit than prime Ali. I see Ali winning a decision, but ONLY if no playing around and let's his hands go!!
Larry Holmes seems to be a skinny kid here. Very thin legs and arms. He was far from being at his best physical condition. Yes Ali could beat Holmes in the 70's, he was a great fighter even at his 30's. However Holmes at his best had also a chance to beat Ali of the 70's.
For the record: Holmes actually stated years later that even as a young unknown sparring partner he believed that he could have beaten Ali in his prime , back then! Bold statement. We will never know for sure but I doubt it.
Larry Holmes has never been a shrinking violet when commenting on his abilities and how he would’ve beaten some of the greats, but I guess confidence is a basic must have attribute in boxing.
He was cockier than Ali. He got that confidence from Ali . It rubbed off. Larry did hit much harder than Ali. Don`t think he beats a prime Ali. Ali would run circles around him. Ali had a super Jab too. If It wasn`t for Ali, Holmes would have never been a champion.
Larry Holmes had confided in a friend that he used to receive beatings from Ali in sparring sessions as a young fighter, thus the venom he unleashed on Ali was a kind of revenge iIn this video, Ali is only practicing how to evade punches. .Note that at the time the two fought in 1980, Larry was in his prime while Ali had declined due to age and Parkinson's disease. He had lost his reflexes, speed,timing, stamina and fitness. Even then inspite of the fact that the fight was lopsided due to obvious reasons, he held his own and never went to the canvas.He only quit because his corner persuaded him to.Ali was simply not a candidate for a knockout .Imagine a fully fit Ali in his prime in a match up with Harry Holmes .He was more agile,faster,more intelligent and more skilful. Have in mind that Michael Spinks possessing just half of the abilities of Ali was able to expose Holmes so badly.The best Larry could have done would be to lose on points otherwise he would have gone the way of Sonny Liston or Foreman!
@@jeffriessman9693 you should read Muhammad Ali's book by Thomas Hauser. Holmes proclaimed once in an interview that Ali was the champ but I'm the better fighter. The next sparring session they had, Ali's team (bundini) informed him wat Holmes said and Ali beat the shit out of him for 3 rounds straight. He had Holmes cowering in a corner begging him to stop. It was the only time Ali hit to hurt someone in a sparring session.
Training against a really good fighter is the way to stay on top of things. No one Ali fought in the ring had Holmes' jab (until he fought Holmes after he had slowed). Had both been at their prime when they faced off, it would have been amazing. Slo-mo of Ali's precision with punches landed from so many angles when dispatching opponents probably gives him the nod, and he could take a punch better than most people think. Both great fighters, and because Holmes was the next great champ, was never going to get the same respect.
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 ali gave big foreman a big scientific wooping okay. Head shots? I bet you could not count more than five slipped or accidental shots by foreman. Ali only took body shots and made a football over foremans eye and was ahead on scorecards despite the ko. Ali took the least amount of shots to the head than any hw and 95 percent of the shots you are counting are after 1977, when he started having parkinsons. And he only got hit the most was from sparring. And donot forget the effect the four year layoff had on his career. Almost took him two years to get rid of that rust and lack of stamina. If you keep this and parkinsons (post77) then ali only lost ones against norton. Every boxer is bleeding or cut after 15 rounds. Only ali always came out unmarked in every single fight. And the competition he was facing legend after legend compared to vitalis bums. Vitali was great but not as great as ali. Lennox did not have a competition even near as ali and he did get knocked out and ali was never knocked out. Impossible not get knocked out agaist such a sever competition shows you the skill set of ali. He had the fastest jab and the most scientific cross with the fastest moving feet, hands and head before his reflexes slowed due to parkinsons. Lennox is gonna go 15 rounds with ali which he has never never went through and he would be to slow for ali. For a decision win it will be based on who hits the most. Ali was the fastest moving and fastest punching heavyweight. His headmovement was from another world. He would dance and use his lightning jab and his scientific crosses in the first rounds and start lacing louis in the late rounds after 12 when louis is exshausted and win. Louus was was a good boxer but too slow for ali. He might get a few shots in though but he aint knockin ali out and a few shots means nothing as ali every opponent says ali was the fastest to recouperate after being hit. He had a iron chin. Almost every boxing expert and boxers including lennox louis says that ali was the best heavyweight of all time. You think the experts and coaches who spent their life studying and training boxing and boxers who have been in their themselves all are wrong and you are right. Ali would win just as he did against liston. Liston could not touch him throughout the fight. He also had the biggest fists and the longest reach and a good jab like lennox but that did not matter. Speed did
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 as compared to ali lewis was way slower ali was the fastest heavyweight of all time of both feet and hands. Lewis has nothing over ali. He was only 2 inches taller does not make him a monster. Earnie terrel, bugner and foreman all were taller than ali and that did not end well for them. Liston had the longest reach in boxing and the largest fists but he could touch ali either. Being outpointed lennox will try to get a power blow through. He might even get one but that does not matter as ali cannot be knocked out because of his granite chin. So the fight is gonna have to go the distance and lewis has never went the 15 rounds in his life. Result is clear as hell
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 you still suspect alis chin. Go and watch 5th round vs cooper. Do you think without the salts that dundee gave him could he have gottan up from his stool? Ofcourse he would. he had got up from the canvas at the count of one. The fight was finished in the first ten seconds of the fifth. Ten seconds. Thats all it took. Without the salts it might have been 60 seconds. Coopers eyes, face, chest, body was covered in blood even before the fifth whereas ali was unmarked throughout the fight. Fight should have been stopped a round earlier Ali won over norton two times. What are you talking about? The second time norton landed his first shot in the fifth round. Haha. The third time ali won 9 rounds on all cards. No body saw it closer than the referee and 30 years later when asked after watching the films his still gave it unanimously for ali. After a few years norton himself admitted that he won only the first. Sunny liston may have thrown the second fight but got his ass woopped like yours the first fight. He could not touch ali. Even when he became desperate and sterted to cheat and blinded ali for a round. He could not even knockout a blinded ali and you talk about lewis reach. Look at listons face after the first fight like a tomato because of both cut eyes and meanwhile ali was boasting to the press. Man clinches headbuts rabbit punching happens in boxing. Second frazier fight was a massacre of joe frazier. Ali showed him his speed of hands and feet. Every time joe hooked he only hit air. The referee stopped the round when joe was in the corner shook up about to be knock down. Post fight interview, battered joe admitted that he lost and had no excuses and would like to come back better next time. He is a better person than you. Frazier did not even win more than 3 rounds on any card. Haha. Excuses. Jimmy young almost dropped out of the ring 5 times in that fight. He saved himself from alis combination by exiting from the ring. That is a knockdown according to any boxing book. 5 knockdowns because of fear and you think he won. Look at the films of the rumble in the jungle. All judges had ali winning 4 out of the first five rounds. And foreman could not his more than three rounds through out the fight. Even despite the knockout. Ali beat him so bad because foreman was not a smart boxer like ali and ali won more rounds and knocked him crashing to the ground. Foreman never looked good enough to beat ali in that fight. Stop making excusses and admire alis bravery and speed like foreman does because he knows what ali did that night was despite being 8 years older, the most heroic thing ever to do in sports. Before the shavers fight alis docter freddie pecheco told him clearly that he would die if he continue boxing but he was payed for his silence. This was made public in later years ali still beat that monster shavers shows that he is the goat fighting despite parkinsons. lennox competition is nowhere near ali. Are you comparing bowe holyfield and klitchko to ali competition. Ali faced and won over sunny liston, smokin joe frazier, george foreman,ken norton,floyd patterson, jimmy young, ron lyle, earnie shavers and chuvalo who was not even knocked off his feet once. Just admit you hate the guy for somewhat reason and are blind to see the greatest who can beat and did beat everybody
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 For me Lennox Lewis is the most complete heavy weight.He has everything.But I don't think that he can outbox Ali.Vladimir Klitchko ( Emanuel Stewert ) would have better chances against a prime Ali,because he was the most effective distance boxer I saw (when he had the reach advantage ). Did you box,have you ring experience?
Larry said it himself. His first few sparring sessions Ali kicked my ass. I had black eyes, busted lips, and was just sore. After about a year he said he caught on to Ali’s style, he said only because Ali had slowed down tremendously it was then Holmes knew he would beat Ali in a fight.
The fight between these two athletes in their prime would be an amazing event . I would love to see a fight between Larry and Smokin Joe and Big George also in their prime .
Ali would "work" with his sparring partners on defense and moving .If him and Holmes fought when Ali was like he was in 1975 (when Ali was 33 .)Ali would be able to hit him with the right hand over Holmes jab and he would stop Larry.
If Larry would've went hard he would've flew Ali's head with that killer jab he had. Very underrated. He takes Tyson is his prime as well. Legends for sure...💯💯💯💯 #Beasts💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
@@muhammedsheeraz6874 Of course he could, he is The Greatest. However how many times did you seen his fights vs Norton and Smokin Joe. There was nothing easy. The thing with Ali is he had a gift of convincing people he is so great that everything was easy inside that ring.
Good question, I was thinking that myself. For some reason, this film looks later than 1970. If this was 1970, Holmes would have been 20 years old. He had 22 amateur fights...so, I'm guessing his amateur career was between 72'-74', lets say. Holmes turned pro in 1974. He is listed to have been a sparring partner for both Frazier and Ali in the mid 70's, which is what this film looks like, about 1975 or 76'
@@ksitings763 Yep, that sounds right. The technology in film kind of went up in quality from what it was around the 60's and early 70's. This just looked more updated. But yeah, that sounds right. The Foreman/Ali fight, " The Rumble in the Jungle," took place later in the year, Oct 30th 1974, so I'm guessing this was around Sept 74'...or thereabouts.
Larry was like Koby Bryant of basketball like Koby followed the Goat Jordan Holmes samething followed the Goat Ali. Holmes never got his just do of greatness
Ali could survive against Holmes without even throwing a single punch. And this was the heavier slower 1970's Ali. Just imagine how good the lighter and faster Cassius Clay was! And yet even when lighter he still knocked out the most feared boxer of all time Sonny Liston ... twice!!! Clay is the greatest of all time alright 👍
Larry was clever by avoiding all those good fighters in their prime especially Ali Foreman and Frazier. He played a waiting game until they all faded away.
Aaron Snowell- with all the boxing experience you had prior to the Tyson-Douglas fight, why did you not have and Enswell in Mike's corner instead of that condom filled with water to reduce the swelling from the beatdown!?!?
WhenAli was in great shape like here ..He raised Larry’s game too Muhammad was a amateur Champion Holmes was average but working like this gave Holmes a lift up in every department I don’t think but a few knew Holmes was gonna be great but Muhammad Knew he was gonna be.
goverment deprived him reach peak skill, he has become blend both skill and experience since 1966 and it would last at least three or four year , within 3 year he would defeat joe frazier , ken norton with ease. One of the biggest robbery in boxing 😮
Absolutely same old bullying from the USA gangsters called a government. Coming back in the ‘70S made guys look a lot better than they really were bcos he would’ve schooled them all easily in the ‘60S without a doubt
I heard a story of Holmes going around bragging about dominating Ali in sparring everyone who really knows Ali knows he never went full spead in sparring well Ali heard about Holmes bragging and came in the next day and destroyed Holmes in sparring
Ali should have learned since the first time that he entered the ring with Larry Holmes that he shouldn't have returned in there for a real time. He wasn't as smart as many people think.
Holmes qui non riesce a prendere Ali': e parliamo di un' Ali' in declino ma ancora il piu' forte tra i pesi massimi e ancora discretamente mobilr rispetto al prime-Ali' che era imprendibile! Holmes e' stato un grande pugile ma quella notte, incontro' un Ali' gia' malato di Parkinson privo di riflessi, di forza e di mobilita' (ed anche non troppo lucido se uno fa caso ai suoi occhi). Ed un atleta malato non si manda mai a combattere: di conseguenza, Holmes non ha mai battuto Ali' ma ha battuto un signore malato. Chi lo mando' a combattere fu' veramente pessimo: avrebbero dovuto ritirar lui la licenza. Ali' non doveva dimostrare piu' niente a nessuno: anzi, Ali' si sarebbe dovuto fermare (o, meglio avrebbero dovuto fermarlo), prima d' incontrare Spinks. Anche se poi vinse l' incontro successivo: Ali' non era piu' lui e non c' entrava solo l' eta' come poi purtroppo abbiamo potuto tutti appurare. Tra l' altro il Parkinson viene anche a chi non fa' sport da combattimento: viene e basta e chi stava a fianco di Ali' pur non potendo fare immediatamente una diagnosi come medico penso che si sia accorto che in Ali' stesse succedendo qualcosa. Semplicemente, hanno sfruttato Ali' fino all' osso per soldi poiche' Ali' era ormai una macchina da soldi per tutti quelli che gli stavano intorno. Holmes, quella sera dopo qualche round essendo stato lo sparring partner si Ali' probabilmente si accorse che Ali' non stava bene e diminui' ad un certo punto la sua intensita' che poi doveva riprendere perche' pur da malato Ali' quando poteva cercava di colpire Holmes e non voleva saperne di mollare. Un incontro tra una persona malata ed un pugile non puo' mai esser considerato un incontro solamente perche' l' evento era ufficiale: Holmes (grande pugile), che si comporto' bene quella sera con Ali' non fu' mai onesto nel dire la verita' e cioe' che quella sera non aveva affrontato una persona sana ma una persona malata ancor prima che un atleta. In questo non e' mai stato troppo corretto poiche' lui lo sapeva che Ali' non si muoveva come quando si allenava con lui facendo lo sparring partner. Ali', anche prima d' iniziare l' incontro barcollava e sembrava non reggersi in piedi con uno sguardo perso nel.vuoto e con pochissima lucidita' (e 0 riflessi). Ecco, Holmes avrebbe potuto dire: "non ho combattutto contro il vero Ali' ma contro una persona non in salute". Non dico all' epoca ma anni dopo l' avrebbe anche potuto dire invece non l' ha fatto: si sarebbe meritato un incontro nemmeno con l' Ali' sano degli anni 70' ma direttamente con il prime-Ali' degli anni 60. Le cose, con tutto il rispetto per un Campione come Holmes sarebbero andate assai diversamente!
Ali whipped Holmes in sparring and he would've embarrassed Holmes in his prime. Ali's mobility would have given Holmes nightmares. He can't even touch Ali here and Ali is way out of his prime. Holmes will always have a place in boxing, after Ali
The great Ali never wanted to hit Holmes for some reason. Maybe because he was a sparring partner? There's no points for blocking and ducking. Anyone good enough to take the fight up to the great Holmes found that he wasn't invincible.
I think Holmes deep down was a safety first fighter. That perhaps indicates someone who is not supremely confident of his ability. I feel he didnt like to take too many risks
I think Ali didn't show all his talent while training with partners and could have beaten Larry Holmes in 1975 or 1974, even though he was slowed down by the penalty.
Ali meet Fraizer, Forman and Norton after his prime. Ali was not at his best in the 70`s. He had lost some of his foot and handspeed from the 60`s. Same with the Holmes sparring. Ali beat great fighters like Fraizer, Norton, Forman, Shavers, Ron Lyle and othes in the secound part of his career. Ali had two careers. Prime Ali from 64-67. Then they took his boxing license for over 3 years. He lost his best years but came back and had a secound career were he had to show the mental toughness he had and a chin like concrete because he got hit more because his speed was not the same anymore. Ali buildt his leagacy in the 70`s because in the 60`s he was to good for everyone. He even made Sonny Liston look like a robot.
I love Ali, but let's be honest, everyone makes way too much of his "prime years", because the fact of the matter is, he mainly fought tomato cans in the 1960's, and not much changed by not fighting for 3 years after the Zora Folley fight. He was still training, sparring, and keeping in shape, and who exactly was he supposed to have fought from 1967-1970 anyway? Thad Spencer? Johnny Persol? Manuel Ramos? Leotis Martin? So he would have had 3 or 4 more one sided fights against journeymen contenders, hardly anything that would have made much of a difference. The only thing he possibly could have benefitted from was meeting Frazier in '69 or '70 with a touch more speed, instead of '71, and even that's stretching it. Besides, top level boxing is designed to make big money fights, and if there is nobody really good or marketable to fight when you're in your 3-4 "prime years" window, then what good is it fighting in your prime years? Look at Larry Holmes, when he arguably hit his prime in 1980, most of the great talent in the Heavyweight division had gotten old or retired, and there wasn't much left. Larry beat up a bunch of tomato cans in his prime years (wasn't his fault, just wasn't anybody top notch around), and it wasn't until Gerry Cooney that he got a big payday. Look at Marvin Hagler, his prime years he was so much better than all the other Middleweights, that he started defending his title a second time against guys he had already beat handily (Hamsho, Obelmejias). It wasn't until Hagler was past his prime and near the end that big name fighters from lower classes came up to fight him (Hearns, Duran, Leonard) and he finally got a taste of the big money before hanging up the gloves.
@@jackprecip5389 Cool, but nearly everyone from that era has said that pre exile ali was much better and faster than post exile ali. Ali's boxing style was built on his speed and jabs, his speed loss royally fucked him up.
@@SouthpawsRule217 Nobody's disputing Ali was a bit faster and quicker in the 60's compared to the 70's (that's simple aging), but people go overboard as if 1960's Ali was Superman and 1970's Ali had been exposed to Kryptonite during his exile. 1960's Ali still got hit sometimes, watch the Doug Jones fight or the first Henry Cooper fight. My point was that the 1960's talent pool in the Heavyweight division was incredibly thin and void of top rate fighters, and that the 3 years off didn't really rob of us of any great fights, and that Ali would have gotten a bit slower with age anyway, regardless if he had beaten up a few more bums in the late 60's or not. Even Liston is completely overrated as an opponent. Liston KO'd Patterson twice in the 1rst round, but Patterson was a SMALL Heavyweight that couldn't take his punches (ala Norton vs. big punchers). Look at Liston's career, who did he really beat besides cans? Cleveland Williams? Zora Folley? "Honeyboy" Howard King? He couldn't even stop Eddie Machen (who was a big man).
Come on now, when Ali fought Holmes, he was waaaaay past his prime, I'm a big fan of Holmes, but Ali was a better fighter in his prime, and i bet even Holmes would admit it!
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Ali's reflexes are absolutely amazing.
Man nobody moved like Ali! Two legends is right.
Rot Jones jr was the closes
Holmes moved better than Ali
Tyrell Biggs but he got tired after a few rounds while fighting Mike Tyson
@@toddmcmillion7892holmes was way slower and did not move anywhere as hood or as fast as Ali.
@@FredbearTheBear02Tryell Biggs does not move better than Ali. Roy jones jr and welterweights are the only ones who move as good as Ali.
Never seen this clip before. Ali with his hands down dodging Holmes punches.
Prime time Muhammad Ali , larry holme not match for prime time Muhammad Ali
@@LoydKline-uw4noPrime Ali 1965. This is 1975
@@LoydKline-uw4noDeep down, Holmes knew that too.
The master and the pupil. And I must say the pupil turned out to be pretty damn good. Holmes became a top 5 heavweight champion who trained with the master boxer in Ali.
@Gary Pollard Ali wasn’t anyone sparring partner after he was 19 yrs old lol what the hell are you taking about
@Gary Pollard: Not quite sure of where you're trying to go with your comment, but when Ali was laid to rest: He left his Estate with a $50 M. Networth. So you 👁👀 He had his money as well! How did you come to the conclusion that Ali died broke?! Please explain yourself, backed up by actual facts. Laila Ali, and family are my facts, whose yours?!!! 😒😒😒
Larry home was not Muhammad Ali's pupil he was sparring partner to help keep Ali Sharp
@@tyn833 well
He did learn a few things I’m sure .. but Ali wasn’t his only influence
Though Holmes wasn’t a great Amateur Muhammad gave him the confidence he needed and I hate that Holmes beat him more than enough almost to death but to think that Don King ripped Muhammad off so much he had to fight Again vs Trevor Berbick cuz he was broke and he had no business fighting after Holmes beat him to a pulp..But he had to...SMH
Two Legends !!!
Love watching these sparring videos of Frazier and Norton in 1970 and here Ali and Holmes in 1974.
Holmes learned Ali’s weaknesses by sparring him and Ali paid him to do it. But Ali knew Holmes’ weaknesses too and he knew that Tyson could beat him. Ali seemed to enjoy watching Tyson knock Holmes down.
Who didn't know that ?... Holmes was 38, and his reflexes were not the same going all the way back to the announcement of the fight taking place.
ali was just something else
overrated
Larry had a top tier jab. He might have hung around too long but (Tyson aside) he actually fought better competition in the 90's than he did in the 80's.
@@studentofsweetscience6922 bruh ali was 9 years older then Holmes and your saying ali got beat bad
@Frankie Bop Larry only had a few weeks to train for that fight after having been retired almost 2 years. He might have not won but if Larry was actually conditioned that would have been a much different fight.
@@therealc.t.7085deffo. He went on to school ray mercer and had a close one with Holyfield
Holmes always fought top contenders at the time. More than the fighters today.
@@therealc.t.7085also he fought a Tyson who was at his very very best technically , defensively ,fitness , motivation. Larry looked terrified and couldn't handle Mike's power on the night. Had he fought the Mike who fought Bruno (1) ,Buster or Ruddock ,Larry would have won.
Read a book that Ali stated that this young kid who he sparr's with will become World Champion. It was Larry Holmes. As I grew up and learned more about the craft,,,, Damn Larry was soooooo Good. Sweetest jab ever. Saw some greats in my life . Love them both.
@Frankie Bop Buster, Evander and Lennox dominated Tyson. What's your point?
Ali Footwork are the best in boxing
no its not🤣🤣
@@PoombaiNewsAli hater spotted
Ali would work on different things in sparing as he said, some time I work on only boxing some time only slugging and some time I work only on dancing and getting away. And when I fight I put it all together
Frazier hurts every time he thinks of Ali. His hostility still rages within. It's a consuming, ugly bitterness he has carried for decades, the result of the hurtful things Ali has said. He insulted his intelligence, his character and his lack of black pride. Ali called Frazier ugly and ignorant and, most disturbingly, an Uncle Tom. Frazier, the son of South Carolina sharecroppers, was deeply wounded by Ali's ridicule which was accepted as socio-political fact and isolated Frazier from the black community.
Ali somehow succeeded in making a fight between two African - American men a matter of black and white. Throughout the black community, he was an object of derision and scorn because of the way Ali treated him, it was cruel. The hatred grew intensely within Frazier. He was unable to compete with Ali's eloquence, but he had a left hook that could do the talking for him. Frazier, with loating in his heart and thunder in his Everlast gloves, punished Ali for the things he said.
Notice after Ali vs Frazier 1 fight announcers said Frazier was feeling sic in his corner and he just wanted to go back to dressing room. That's because Joe couldn't slow his heart and nervous system back down to a resting state. Joe already had history of high blood pressure and diabetes, he spent nearly two weeks in the hospital for exhaustion, blood pressure, diabetes and kidney problems..
BUT BUT when he was in his 40s Joe was out dancing and singing in the clubs while Ali couldn't talk and his tremors were getting worse. Younger folks haven't a clue what Ali actually did to Joe, let me explain by saying it's exactly like today's Hollywood liberal cancel culture. Frazier hated that Louisville Lip and before fight he got on his knees and prayed to God that he could make Ali perish.
Personally i have to admit, everytime Frazier smacked Ali i cheered, WE ALL CHEERED 👋👋👋👋👋👋 MILLIONS CHEERED.
Sounds just about perfect, for the great man ! Never seen a boxer with such ring craft and grace as Ali !
When a simple man is put on tv most of his lifetime and praised by most everybody you should ask yourself, what is the purpose behind this demigod? Some folks need a leader to worship so the liberal deep state elites gives it to them through media outlets which controls through psychological deception and manipulation. The social engineering around Ali was incredible and today's blm millennial me too cancel culture will eventually demand a National Holiday for him. The media hype built him up so audience viewers became entranced hypnotized and mesmerized from the entertainment and viewed his fights as iconic historic events even when he was losing and being rocked senseless.
Ali was chosen by the system and turned into a left wing political pawn, that's why he has an $85 million dollar museum in Louisville KY. Where is Louis Marciano Frazier and Holmes museums?? At least Joe Louis was buried in Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors unlike Clay who dodged. Elijah Mahomud convinced Clay to dodge cause he was their meal ticket, so Clay faked being Minister so he could dodge Nam while preaching cancel culture towards the white man who he called "Devel's."
Jackie Robinson said, "Ali's stand was hurting his race who were, unlike him, fighting in Vietnam. The tragedy to me is, Cassius has made millions of dollars off the American public, and now he's not willing to show his appreciation to a country that's giving him, in my view, a fantastic opportunity."
At that time being drafted was the Law!!! When he refused induction someone had to take his place, how would you like it if that someone was You? I served in Nam shoulder to shoulder with black men who were the real heroes of America, not that privileged bigoted racist. The lottery chose me right outta highschool and my parents didn't have money to send me to Canada or bribe a doctor for medical excuse. Dad told me, "son, it's the's law, go fight hard, and represent your country well." So i fought hard, and represented my flag proudly. What would you have done? Donald J. T. avoided Nam and the world hates him, Cassius Clay resists and becomes a famous civil rights activist and legendary antiwar hero. Today BLM is painted on every basketball court and I'm supposed too become less white and reprogrammed, something is twisted.
Ali's legend is far greater than the actual reality of his career like getting rocked by 185 lb fighters and outscoring flat footed sluggers. I stepped through those ropes 24 times and it's not that difficult after first several fights. What's difficult is working a common job 10 hours a day for 50 years to pay mortgage and put food on the table for your children.
Billy Marine Corp 🇺🇸 Semper Fi 69 to 71
@@studentofsweetscience6922 You’re as sick as Frazier was dude. I think everyone agrees that Ali took things too far. And there was a time after the fight in Manila where Ali realized what he had done and was brought to tears. There’s is no one alive that looks down on Joe Frazier. But Joe held hate deep in his heart for 4 decades, hate that he should have let go long before he did. Hate that made him sicker than he should have been. Sounds like you might be suffering from some of that as well.
@@bandit7498 "Now people ask me if I feel bad for him, now that things aren't going so well for him. Nope. I don't give a damn. They want me to love him, but I'll open up the graveyard and bury his hss when the Lord chooses to take him." -- 1996 autobiography, "Smokin'Joe"
The master and the student. RIP Champ.
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 without Ali .no holmes
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 Holmes said. Ali fought frazier three times. Norton three times. Fought foreman. Shavers. No body can resist to all that
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 Holmes said. Ali fought frazier three times. Norton three times. Fought foreman. Shavers. No body can resist to all that
This is Great too see I love both of these Great Champions!!
Larry always seems to dominate those sparing sessions against Ali, but Holmes said in sparing Ali never showed every thing, he saved it for the fight
I don't see him dominating here at all. Ali is practicing the evasive movement here he would need against Foreman. They were role playing with Holmes playing the role of a pursuing Foreman. Ali is evading effectively here.
@@robmarlett5078 Yes. For the most part, particularly important fights, sparring partners are picked to do a particular job.
It appears that Ali was working on being elusive ; his defense. If you noticed he never fired back at Larry in this short clip.
STFU you don't know shit about boxing
@@ReeseMac !!!
Ali's footwork isn't even 50% what it used to be in the 60's in this 70's clip yet he can dodge prime Holmes' jab and combos with both hands down. Very interesting.
It wasn't a prime Holmes, lol.
That's a very young holmes😂
Larry holmes didn't his peak time but Ali become slowed down and Larry holmes was younger than Ali. I think Ali could beat holmes at 1975. Larry holmes was a baloon.
@@seeya101oliASWHDFIL Only someone ignorant would say that. You can't have a sparring partner that's better than you or beats you up regularly. Ali would purposely downplay his skills against Holmes and other partners. That's how training is.
YES HE EVADED HOLMES JAB WITH EASE . ALI WOULD HAVE WON IN A REAL MATCH
larry does not dominate this fight, actually in this particular video something amazing happens; ali is neutralizing larry's goated left jab. No one could do that. Even tho Ali is old in this video, he is still moving and dodging holmes' left jab. Truly the greatest.
But tbf this isnt prime Holmes. But then again if a '67 Ali would step into the Ring it would be game over for Larry.
still, it's a 32 year old Ali and a super young and light Holmes. Ali still evaded all his shots.
Holmes isn’t even throwing his jab hard. He is just messing. Ali is my man and I would say that Ali could have beaten Holmes all the way up to Ali vs Spinks II after that Ali was never the same. Don’t get me wrong Ali would still have to be on his game to beat Holmes. The 2 thing people tend to forget - we never saw Ali in his prime is one and the other is Ali always had Parkinson syndrome in him it affected him more after the layoff but we still saw the Ali with the amazing Chin and Ali with the incredible heart. Holmes was a great Champion in his own right but still he was not Ali….
How you didn't see Ali running the whole time, Holmes could have beat his ass back then
@@tyn833😂😂😂😂 no he wouldnt it just a sparing match.
AWESOME! Thanks for posting this gem!
Thanks for posting. 47 seconds of greatness!
Greatest of All -Time.....Rest in Peace Champ !
I’m so grateful that Aaron is on RUclips. Boxing legend right here.
Remember to folks, this 47 seconds of sparring is Ali well after his prime, just working on movement & timing. He'd allow Larry to hit him up against the ropes when he trained for Big George Foreman.
Being from Louisville being a fighter trained by Jimmy Ellis and our brotherhood with Muhammad being our leader and legend he had a long Amateur career then All the political problems and being stripped and hated and he boxed for 25 years at the end he hardly trained he just entertained but he was burnt out and beatdown his last great performance was the thilla in Manila after that he was a shell of himself ..Holmes was a young fresh fighter that pushed Muhammad in the gym and that helped Holmes down the road and Muhammad was spent..Louisville has had 4 Heavyweight Champions My Homeboys RIP
Well after his prime is an overstatement, his physical prime was in the late 60s when he had great legs . 70s Ali was the greatest as we know it. Better tougher stronger more experienced.
@@hassanx9423 Remember Muhammad lost 3 years of his prime he was unbelievable nothing the World had ever seen In A boxing ring or out..he put unnecessary pressure on himself..And there will never be nobody like Muhammad Ali my homeboy.
Ali missed his prime because of the draft...and here ali is moving well ..and Holmes is all over him.....pressure pressure....here bodini in the background...come on Champ
@@harlemmarine1234 yes, Ali was one of the fastest unorthodox Heavyweights ever in his Prime, but the thing that was discovered and became evident even after his prime he was still pretty damn fast not as fast as he was in 1964 of course, but he could endure and take a tremendous amount of punishment and still dish out good shots. Until the inevitable end of his career, he shouldn't have been allowed to fight Holmes in the early 80's. Not fair at all and messed up. Everyone knew at that point Ali wasn't beating Holmes. But entertainment factor and money making factor for promoters override the humane right thing to do.
Neither are trying hard, just sparring, but its still obvious this Ali was extremely different than what we saw in '80 against Holmes
He lost too much weight trying to get ready for the Holmes fight, he lost his last fight, but he actually looked decent against Berbick. Lot of people don't remember that fight, but at least Ali went out fighting, instead of having the Holmes fight be his last.
Larry was a great fighter. But no one beats Ali pre 1967. No one.
Mike does
@@billoddiea Haha Tyson would have been devastated by Ali. Tyson was mentally incapable of keeping up emotionally and would have probably kicked Ali or bit his ear. Tyson was a head case. Ali would have destroyed him friend
@@johnreidy2804 Keep drinking
@@billoddiea You couldn't refute my statement so you attack me personally. Well at least I know about how old you are Skippy.
Like sonny listonlate 1950s/ pre 1963 invincible, Cassius clay invincible 1967& before
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Ali was playing with Larry!
Holmes sir very humble, great boxer good human being, God bless.
I would've much rather seen this version of Ali vs. Holmes than the one we actually got
Nice to see that bitter Holmes couldn't catch Ali in just a sparring match...and that's his place in boxing history...miles behind Ali!! Beating an old and sick Ali later in his career and say you always knew you could beat him don't mean shit Holmes!!
Lol You should say it to his face. This isn't even prime Larry Holmes and he's only playing the role of a pursuing George Foreman.
Didn't want to fight ali, tried to get umpire to call it off, they should not have even fought😢
This is my first time seeing this sparring session!
Ali won without even throwing 1 punch.
It's called "sparring"
@@writerjmd??? Ali easy win.
This is mad cool to finally get to see what there sparring looked like in the 70s look up ali sparring jose torres thats pretty great also
This is why Bruce Lee thought that That Ali was the greatest fighter he had ever seen, however in my opinion SRR was the all time goat with all around skills. In this video a prime Ali was a lot smoother than Holmes , who looked a bit awkward.
@ Clinton Houston, Dude! I've been saying that all my life that Sugar Ray Robinson was the best to ever lace up the gloves. People talk about other fighters of the recent eras as being the best, but I know better. I also read years ago that Bruce Lee thought Ali was the best heavyweight because of his fast movements around the ring. And your last name is Houston too? You must be pretty smart!
@@kelvinhouston4287, Why thank u
@@clintonhouston1048u really asking why?😂
Sugar Ray was Ali's idol. When Ali fought Liston the first time, and Ray was introduced in the ring, Ali took his hands and bowed to him. Twice. That's mad respect.
2 Legends !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woooow
This is the Ali that would’ve made Holmes miss and beaten him seven days a week, twice on Sundays. Holmes was great but Ali was greater. This video shows a clip of the real Ali.
Holmes was not mobile enough to trouble a young Ali. When Holmes tried to dance it seemed his bottom half was disconnected to his top half. Awful mobility but a top class jab= NOT ENOUGH TO BEAT THE GOAT!!!
@@teacher3469 I agree with that assessment. Ali had the legs, stamina and movement to beat Holmes. Jab for jab, Holmes was better but speed for speed, Ali gets him. Holmes was great but Ali was greater.
Michael Hubbard you definitely know boxing twice on Sunday I love it. I just wish so bad I could have seen Ali give Larry Holmes the business in his prime, that fight should never have happened Ali was not in good health at all, that's one fight I cannot watch.
@@michaelbryant2987 It makes me sick as well. That fight should have been banned. But it wasn't because Don King was thinking about money at the expense of Ali's health.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Seriously.
Wao this is gold powder!!!
That jab. Damn!
I think this '74 Ali would've beaten a prime Holmes. Look at Ali easily dodging Holmes fast hands. Prime Holmes was easier to hit than prime Ali. I see Ali winning a decision, but ONLY if no playing around and let's his hands go!!
Larry Holmes seems to be a skinny kid here. Very thin legs and arms. He was far from being at his best physical condition. Yes Ali could beat Holmes in the 70's, he was a great fighter even at his 30's. However Holmes at his best had also a chance to beat Ali of the 70's.
@Gary Pollard the Ali that beat Foreman would beat everyone .. wasn’t Holmes time yet
For the record: Holmes actually stated years later that even as a young unknown sparring partner he believed that he could have beaten Ali in his prime , back then! Bold statement. We will never know for sure but I doubt it.
Larry Holmes has never been a shrinking violet when commenting on his abilities and how he would’ve beaten some of the greats, but I guess confidence is a basic must have attribute in boxing.
He was cockier than Ali. He got that confidence from Ali . It rubbed off. Larry did hit much harder than Ali. Don`t think he beats a prime Ali. Ali would run circles around him. Ali had a super Jab too. If It wasn`t for Ali, Holmes would have never been a champion.
Larry Holmes had confided in a friend that he used to receive beatings from Ali in sparring sessions as a young fighter, thus the venom he unleashed on Ali was a kind of revenge iIn this video, Ali is only practicing how to evade punches. .Note that at the time the two fought in 1980, Larry was in his prime while Ali had declined due to age and Parkinson's disease. He had lost his reflexes, speed,timing, stamina and fitness. Even then inspite of the fact that the fight was lopsided due to obvious reasons, he held his own and never went to the canvas.He only quit because his corner persuaded him to.Ali was simply not a candidate for a knockout .Imagine a fully fit Ali in his prime in a match up with Harry Holmes .He was more agile,faster,more intelligent and more skilful. Have in mind that Michael Spinks possessing just half of the abilities of Ali was able to expose Holmes so badly.The best Larry could have done would be to lose on points otherwise he would have gone the way of Sonny Liston or Foreman!
@@jeffriessman9693 you should read Muhammad Ali's book by Thomas Hauser. Holmes proclaimed once in an interview that Ali was the champ but I'm the better fighter. The next sparring session they had, Ali's team (bundini) informed him wat Holmes said and Ali beat the shit out of him for 3 rounds straight. He had Holmes cowering in a corner begging him to stop. It was the only time Ali hit to hurt someone in a sparring session.
A joke, that.
Training against a really good fighter is the way to stay on top of things. No one Ali fought in the ring had Holmes' jab (until he fought Holmes after he had slowed). Had both been at their prime when they faced off, it would have been amazing. Slo-mo of Ali's precision with punches landed from so many angles when dispatching opponents probably gives him the nod, and he could take a punch better than most people think. Both great fighters, and because Holmes was the next great champ, was never going to get the same respect.
reflexes..
2 respectfull fighters not taking the piss great to see
Tidak akan ada lagi petinju dengan gerakan seperti Ali... Karena hal tersebut akan menguras tenaga.. Ali Top Legend👍
Dundee said ali should collect money from his sparring partners instead of giving them because ali let them beat on him all day
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 ali gave big foreman a big scientific wooping okay. Head shots? I bet you could not count more than five slipped or accidental shots by foreman. Ali only took body shots and made a football over foremans eye and was ahead on scorecards despite the ko. Ali took the least amount of shots to the head than any hw and 95 percent of the shots you are counting are after 1977, when he started having parkinsons. And he only got hit the most was from sparring. And donot forget the effect the four year layoff had on his career. Almost took him two years to get rid of that rust and lack of stamina. If you keep this and parkinsons (post77) then ali only lost ones against norton. Every boxer is bleeding or cut after 15 rounds. Only ali always came out unmarked in every single fight. And the competition he was facing legend after legend compared to vitalis bums. Vitali was great but not as great as ali. Lennox did not have a competition even near as ali and he did get knocked out and ali was never knocked out. Impossible not get knocked out agaist such a sever competition shows you the skill set of ali. He had the fastest jab and the most scientific cross with the fastest moving feet, hands and head before his reflexes slowed due to parkinsons. Lennox is gonna go 15 rounds with ali which he has never never went through and he would be to slow for ali. For a decision win it will be based on who hits the most. Ali was the fastest moving and fastest punching heavyweight. His headmovement was from another world. He would dance and use his lightning jab and his scientific crosses in the first rounds and start lacing louis in the late rounds after 12 when louis is exshausted and win. Louus was was a good boxer but too slow for ali. He might get a few shots in though but he aint knockin ali out and a few shots means nothing as ali every opponent says ali was the fastest to recouperate after being hit. He had a iron chin. Almost every boxing expert and boxers including lennox louis says that ali was the best heavyweight of all time. You think the experts and coaches who spent their life studying and training boxing and boxers who have been in their themselves all are wrong and you are right. Ali would win just as he did against liston. Liston could not touch him throughout the fight. He also had the biggest fists and the longest reach and a good jab like lennox but that did not matter. Speed did
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 as compared to ali lewis was way slower ali was the fastest heavyweight of all time of both feet and hands. Lewis has nothing over ali. He was only 2 inches taller does not make him a monster. Earnie terrel, bugner and foreman all were taller than ali and that did not end well for them. Liston had the longest reach in boxing and the largest fists but he could touch ali either. Being outpointed lennox will try to get a power blow through. He might even get one but that does not matter as ali cannot be knocked out because of his granite chin. So the fight is gonna have to go the distance and lewis has never went the 15 rounds in his life. Result is clear as hell
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 you still suspect alis chin. Go and watch 5th round vs cooper. Do you think without the salts that dundee gave him could he have gottan up from his stool? Ofcourse he would. he had got up from the canvas at the count of one. The fight was finished in the first ten seconds of the fifth. Ten seconds. Thats all it took. Without the salts it might have been 60 seconds. Coopers eyes, face, chest, body was covered in blood even before the fifth whereas ali was unmarked throughout the fight. Fight should have been stopped a round earlier
Ali won over norton two times. What are you talking about? The second time norton landed his first shot in the fifth round. Haha. The third time ali won 9 rounds on all cards. No body saw it closer than the referee and 30 years later when asked after watching the films his still gave it unanimously for ali. After a few years norton himself admitted that he won only the first.
Sunny liston may have thrown the second fight but got his ass woopped like yours the first fight. He could not touch ali. Even when he became desperate and sterted to cheat and blinded ali for a round. He could not even knockout a blinded ali and you talk about lewis reach. Look at listons face after the first fight like a tomato because of both cut eyes and meanwhile ali was boasting to the press.
Man clinches headbuts rabbit punching happens in boxing. Second frazier fight was a massacre of joe frazier. Ali showed him his speed of hands and feet. Every time joe hooked he only hit air. The referee stopped the round when joe was in the corner shook up about to be knock down. Post fight interview, battered joe admitted that he lost and had no excuses and would like to come back better next time. He is a better person than you. Frazier did not even win more than 3 rounds on any card. Haha. Excuses.
Jimmy young almost dropped out of the ring 5 times in that fight. He saved himself from alis combination by exiting from the ring. That is a knockdown according to any boxing book. 5 knockdowns because of fear and you think he won.
Look at the films of the rumble in the jungle. All judges had ali winning 4 out of the first five rounds. And foreman could not his more than three rounds through out the fight. Even despite the knockout. Ali beat him so bad because foreman was not a smart boxer like ali and ali won more rounds and knocked him crashing to the ground. Foreman never looked good enough to beat ali in that fight. Stop making excusses and admire alis bravery and speed like foreman does because he knows what ali did that night was despite being 8 years older, the most heroic thing ever to do in sports.
Before the shavers fight alis docter freddie pecheco told him clearly that he would die if he continue boxing but he was payed for his silence. This was made public in later years ali still beat that monster shavers shows that he is the goat fighting despite parkinsons.
lennox competition is nowhere near ali. Are you comparing bowe holyfield and klitchko to ali competition. Ali faced and won over sunny liston, smokin joe frazier, george foreman,ken norton,floyd patterson, jimmy young, ron lyle, earnie shavers and chuvalo who was not even knocked off his feet once.
Just admit you hate the guy for somewhat reason and are blind to see the greatest who can beat and did beat everybody
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 Ali of the 60s and Ali of the 70s are too different Fighters.Watch both Patterson fights and you will see.
@@seniordavidmanderson9232 For me Lennox Lewis is the most complete heavy weight.He has everything.But I don't think that he can outbox Ali.Vladimir Klitchko ( Emanuel Stewert ) would have better chances against a prime Ali,because he was the most effective distance boxer I saw (when he had the reach advantage ).
Did you box,have you ring experience?
This Ali whoops any Holmes.
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Larry said it himself. His first few sparring sessions Ali kicked my ass. I had black eyes, busted lips, and was just sore. After about a year he said he caught on to Ali’s style, he said only because Ali had slowed down tremendously it was then Holmes knew he would beat Ali in a fight.
Float like a batterfly.
Ali sparring with Holmes before the 3rd Norton fight. 1976
The fight between these two athletes in their prime would be an amazing event . I would love to see a fight between Larry and Smokin Joe and Big George also in their prime .
The sparring was on point with purpose
This is Larry Holmes sparring Ali
Larry could really stalk!!!
Ali would "work" with his sparring partners on defense and moving .If him and Holmes fought when Ali was like he was in 1975 (when Ali was 33 .)Ali would be able to hit him with the right hand over Holmes jab and he would stop Larry.
If Larry would've went hard he would've flew Ali's head with that killer jab he had. Very underrated. He takes Tyson is his prime as well. Legends for sure...💯💯💯💯 #Beasts💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
The Tyson/Holmes bout wasn’t worth the price of admission. Nobody was worthy of fighting Prime Time Mike. Unfortunately, he declined far too quickly.
He Master,and The Grasshopper.(kung Fu)
That's some serious Jab Larry throwing and Ali ducking
Ali the Greatest, Lewis and Holmes Other Top 3 Imho
1977/78/79 were better times for the fight to happen
This is before the foreman fight so Holmes is about 23 or 24 he was just a kid for a heavyweight
Ali, didn't throw a punch. He was running away.
It was preperation before Ali fights against Foreman thats why Ali didnt throw punch.
50% of Ali back then was better than approximately 70% of the other boxers in their prime.
Very similar to Rocky Marciano having to face an older Joe Louis ,no longer near his prime,to get in line for a title shot.He didn't want to face him
What's Ali doing run run run run run run run run run run run run run run ru
This ali could easily beat larry
Lmao ok
No way it would be easy
@@letsgochamp8458 this Ali could beat Larry but..
@@muhammedsheeraz6874 Of course he could, he is The Greatest. However how many times did you seen his fights vs Norton and Smokin Joe. There was nothing easy. The thing with Ali is he had a gift of convincing people he is so great that everything was easy inside that ring.
@@muhammedsheeraz6874 Even when he got whoped by Frazier in 1st fight and Norton break his jaw he was shouting that he won easy ;)
What year was this?
I thought they sparred when Ali came back from his 3 year layoff
That would be 1970 right
Yea
Good question, I was thinking that myself. For some reason, this film looks later than 1970. If this was 1970, Holmes would have been 20 years old. He had 22 amateur fights...so, I'm guessing his amateur career was between 72'-74', lets say. Holmes turned pro in 1974. He is listed to have been a sparring partner for both Frazier and Ali in the mid 70's, which is what this film looks like, about 1975 or 76'
@@westfieldartworks8188 I just found out this they sparred in camp for the fight against George Foreman (1974)
@@ksitings763 Yep, that sounds right. The technology in film kind of went up in quality from what it was around the 60's and early 70's. This just looked more updated. But yeah, that sounds right. The Foreman/Ali fight, " The Rumble in the Jungle," took place later in the year, Oct 30th 1974, so I'm guessing this was around Sept 74'...or thereabouts.
it is in the description
1974.
Larry was like Koby Bryant of basketball like Koby followed the Goat Jordan Holmes samething followed the Goat Ali. Holmes never got his just do of greatness
Ali could survive against Holmes without even throwing a single punch. And this was the heavier slower 1970's Ali. Just imagine how good the lighter and faster Cassius Clay was! And yet even when lighter he still knocked out the most feared boxer of all time Sonny Liston ... twice!!! Clay is the greatest of all time alright 👍
Larry was clever by avoiding all those good fighters in their prime especially Ali Foreman and Frazier. He played a waiting game until they all faded away.
Man how does he move like that as a heavyweight? Even today you won't see many lighter guys who can move like this.
Duck and definitely DODGING! HES GOOD AT DODGING
Holmes was the most avoided fighter on Earth in his 20s.
What year was this ??
holmes was very special , what a fight it would have been prime holmes v Ali, i think alis movement would have been the difference.
I'm sure Larry was pushing the envelope that much.
I don't know, if this is Holmes, however Holmes sparred with Ali almost 8yrs. You could see, who got his style from.
They don't pay the sparring partner to beat up the champ.
Aaron Snowell- with all the boxing experience you had prior to the Tyson-Douglas fight, why did you not have and Enswell in Mike's corner instead of that condom filled with water to reduce the swelling from the beatdown!?!?
Wouldn’t that have been great if Ali fought like this against Holmes.
WhenAli was in great shape like here ..He raised Larry’s game too Muhammad was a amateur Champion Holmes was average but working like this gave Holmes a lift up in every department I don’t think but a few knew Holmes was gonna be great but Muhammad Knew he was gonna be.
Ali was finished after they tried to to force him to Vietnam, robbed the world of true greatness during ‘67 - ‘’71
goverment deprived him reach peak skill, he has become blend both skill and experience since 1966 and it would last at least three or four year , within 3 year he would defeat joe frazier , ken norton with ease. One of the biggest robbery in boxing 😮
Absolutely same old bullying from the USA gangsters called a government.
Coming back in the ‘70S made guys look a lot better than they really were bcos he would’ve schooled them all easily in the ‘60S without a doubt
I heard a story of Holmes going around bragging about dominating Ali in sparring everyone who really knows Ali knows he never went full spead in sparring well Ali heard about Holmes bragging and came in the next day and destroyed Holmes in sparring
Ali should have learned since the first time that he entered the ring with Larry Holmes that he shouldn't have returned in there for a real time. He wasn't as smart as many people think.
Holmes qui non riesce a prendere Ali': e parliamo di un' Ali' in declino ma ancora il piu' forte tra i pesi massimi e ancora discretamente mobilr rispetto al prime-Ali' che era imprendibile! Holmes e' stato un grande pugile ma quella notte, incontro' un Ali' gia' malato di Parkinson privo di riflessi, di forza e di mobilita' (ed anche non troppo lucido se uno fa caso ai suoi occhi). Ed un atleta malato non si manda mai a combattere: di conseguenza, Holmes non ha mai battuto Ali' ma ha battuto un signore malato.
Chi lo mando' a combattere fu' veramente pessimo: avrebbero dovuto ritirar lui la licenza.
Ali' non doveva dimostrare piu' niente a nessuno: anzi, Ali' si sarebbe dovuto fermare (o, meglio avrebbero dovuto fermarlo), prima d' incontrare Spinks.
Anche se poi vinse l' incontro successivo: Ali' non era piu' lui e non c' entrava solo l' eta' come poi purtroppo abbiamo potuto tutti appurare.
Tra l' altro il Parkinson viene anche a chi non fa' sport da combattimento: viene e basta e chi stava a fianco di Ali' pur non potendo fare immediatamente una diagnosi come medico penso che si sia accorto che in Ali' stesse succedendo qualcosa.
Semplicemente, hanno sfruttato Ali' fino all' osso per soldi poiche' Ali' era ormai una macchina da soldi per tutti quelli che gli stavano intorno.
Holmes, quella sera dopo qualche round essendo stato lo sparring partner si Ali' probabilmente si accorse che Ali' non stava bene e diminui' ad un certo punto la sua intensita' che poi doveva riprendere perche' pur da malato Ali' quando poteva cercava di colpire Holmes e non voleva saperne di mollare.
Un incontro tra una persona malata ed un pugile non puo' mai esser considerato un incontro solamente perche' l' evento era ufficiale: Holmes (grande pugile), che si comporto' bene quella sera con Ali' non fu' mai onesto nel dire la verita' e cioe' che quella sera non aveva affrontato una persona sana ma una persona malata ancor prima che un atleta.
In questo non e' mai stato troppo corretto poiche' lui lo sapeva che Ali' non si muoveva come quando si allenava con lui facendo lo sparring partner.
Ali', anche prima d' iniziare l' incontro barcollava e sembrava non reggersi in piedi con uno sguardo perso nel.vuoto e con pochissima lucidita' (e 0 riflessi).
Ecco, Holmes avrebbe potuto dire: "non ho combattutto contro il vero Ali' ma contro una persona non in salute".
Non dico all' epoca ma anni dopo l' avrebbe anche potuto dire invece non l' ha fatto: si sarebbe meritato un incontro nemmeno con l' Ali' sano degli anni 70' ma direttamente con il prime-Ali' degli anni 60.
Le cose, con tutto il rispetto per un Campione come Holmes sarebbero andate assai diversamente!
Ali whipped Holmes in sparring and he would've embarrassed Holmes in his prime. Ali's mobility would have given Holmes nightmares. He can't even touch Ali here and Ali is way out of his prime. Holmes will always have a place in boxing, after Ali
As usual, Ali is running.😂
he was only warming up
@@mustafaatalay212 Yeah, for 12 rounds.
@@controlledchaos7808 xd
The great Ali never wanted to hit Holmes for some reason. Maybe because he was a sparring partner?
There's no points for blocking and ducking. Anyone good enough to take the fight up to the great Holmes found that he wasn't invincible.
To this day i still dont know how Holmes managed to get back on his feet after being dropped by Shavers
Heart
Ali wasn't as much a boxer as he was a dodger.
Holmes would had his face rearranged had he fought a prime Ali……..
Holmes hated Ali
Fake News that was not Larry Holmes, this is someone else .
Mein herz brent...
I think Holmes deep down was a safety first fighter. That perhaps indicates someone who is not supremely confident of his ability. I feel he didnt like to take too many risks
I think Ali didn't show all his talent while training with partners and could have beaten Larry Holmes in 1975 or 1974, even though he was slowed down by the penalty.
Might have beaten Ali when he was a shell of his old self but this version of the greatest makes you look like a clown. Always be the greatest.
Ali meet Fraizer, Forman and Norton after his prime. Ali was not at his best in the 70`s. He had lost some of his foot and handspeed from the 60`s. Same with the Holmes sparring. Ali beat great fighters like Fraizer, Norton, Forman, Shavers, Ron Lyle and othes in the secound part of his career.
Ali had two careers. Prime Ali from 64-67. Then they took his boxing license for over 3 years. He lost his best years but came back and had a secound career were he had to show the mental toughness he had and a chin like concrete because he got hit more because his speed was not the same anymore.
Ali buildt his leagacy in the 70`s because in the 60`s he was to good for everyone. He even made Sonny Liston look like a robot.
I love Ali, but let's be honest, everyone makes way too much of his "prime years", because the fact of the matter is, he mainly fought tomato cans in the 1960's, and not much changed by not fighting for 3 years after the Zora Folley fight. He was still training, sparring, and keeping in shape, and who exactly was he supposed to have fought from 1967-1970 anyway? Thad Spencer? Johnny Persol? Manuel Ramos? Leotis Martin? So he would have had 3 or 4 more one sided fights against journeymen contenders, hardly anything that would have made much of a difference. The only thing he possibly could have benefitted from was meeting Frazier in '69 or '70 with a touch more speed, instead of '71, and even that's stretching it. Besides, top level boxing is designed to make big money fights, and if there is nobody really good or marketable to fight when you're in your 3-4 "prime years" window, then what good is it fighting in your prime years? Look at Larry Holmes, when he arguably hit his prime in 1980, most of the great talent in the Heavyweight division had gotten old or retired, and there wasn't much left. Larry beat up a bunch of tomato cans in his prime years (wasn't his fault, just wasn't anybody top notch around), and it wasn't until Gerry Cooney that he got a big payday. Look at Marvin Hagler, his prime years he was so much better than all the other Middleweights, that he started defending his title a second time against guys he had already beat handily (Hamsho, Obelmejias). It wasn't until Hagler was past his prime and near the end that big name fighters from lower classes came up to fight him (Hearns, Duran, Leonard) and he finally got a taste of the big money before hanging up the gloves.
@@jackprecip5389 Cool, but nearly everyone from that era has said that pre exile ali was much better and faster than post exile ali. Ali's boxing style was built on his speed and jabs, his speed loss royally fucked him up.
@@SouthpawsRule217 Nobody's disputing Ali was a bit faster and quicker in the 60's compared to the 70's (that's simple aging), but people go overboard as if 1960's Ali was Superman and 1970's Ali had been exposed to Kryptonite during his exile. 1960's Ali still got hit sometimes, watch the Doug Jones fight or the first Henry Cooper fight. My point was that the 1960's talent pool in the Heavyweight division was incredibly thin and void of top rate fighters, and that the 3 years off didn't really rob of us of any great fights, and that Ali would have gotten a bit slower with age anyway, regardless if he had beaten up a few more bums in the late 60's or not. Even Liston is completely overrated as an opponent. Liston KO'd Patterson twice in the 1rst round, but Patterson was a SMALL Heavyweight that couldn't take his punches (ala Norton vs. big punchers). Look at Liston's career, who did he really beat besides cans? Cleveland Williams? Zora Folley? "Honeyboy" Howard King? He couldn't even stop Eddie Machen (who was a big man).
Larry holmes new every move. The great ali done at the end he won
Come on now, when Ali fought Holmes, he was waaaaay past his prime, I'm a big fan of Holmes, but Ali was a better fighter in his prime, and i bet even Holmes would admit it!
What year was this?
1974
A