@Qu. Lisa Leeanne Lavish I hear you but again that's part of the color scheme we already know exist in mainstream entertainment. Symone Sanders, Abby Phillip, and Nia-Malika Henderson prove that there can be women of color who are darker than most light skinned women and still be in respected position's without having to be hired based on the tone of their complexion. As far as how many dark skinned black women are viewed on screen, that's an issue where more dark skinned women are gon' have to get involved to be seen and heard and as far as the barrier's go they still exist but women like Danai, Viola, Lupita, and even lil' Marsai Martin prove that it can be done.
Hands down, probably the best episode to date. A complex, touchy issue that's never really been dealt w/in prime time.
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😏This was probably one of the best (if not the best) episode's of "Black ish". The dissection of light vs. dark skinned isn't something that we as black ppl normally take issue with in our own families but it is discussed outside our families and into the communities. To see how colorism is viewed within a black family who obviously come's in different shades and their own perspectives, myth's, discrimination, and harassment and how they felt about it was a brilliant part of American television that I'm glad was discussed towards black ppl, other ethnic groups of ppl with color and ppl who may not even know that this does happen for people of color's respective communities.
kj I don’t think it did. They did. You know how many people who say I’m soft cause my skins not dark enough and soft-spoken. I feel way junior feels. A family has mentioned sometimes cause I’m soft-spoken and sing higher and sing comfortably to my range and that I enjoy that I need more black in me. It’s not fun and Bow and Junior mentioned how some people make me feel: I’m light skinned and soft-spoken. I’m not black enough.
Yes this was very good and especially a good introduction for the people who mainly caused the issues which are white institutions that are the reason discrimination of skin tone even exist in the first place so this was very good
It was good, but it only scratched the surface(which I understand it’s only 22 min). There were definitely things that weren’t well written and they could’ve done better with.
As a mixed female with a light complexion I personally wish I was darker. I get a load of shit talk about how pale I am and people asking if I am only just white. Even worse is when you are on social media or RUclips alone and there are people whom exclude you from certain groups because you aren’t black enough. I feel like this subject should be talked more of about everyone’s insecurities and their desires. We should direct more attention towards darker skinned women not getting the respect and attention they need but also towards the lighter people whom are stuck in a clash against envy because of the roles given.
Yes he does have points but the thing about him he doesn't throw away all the other dark-skinned people because some people think he's soft because he's light unlike others that suffer from colorism they start to demonize the other color of people's who are not the same as them.
One of the reason for the whole white skin thing is that in many cultures pale skin meant that you where rich enough to not work all day. Fieldwork meant a tan from the sun. So light skin meant rich and powerfull, darker skin meant pour.
Wow that’s something I never thought about! Tan = you worked in the field meaning you were busting your ass in the sun working. Pale or lighter means you aren’t in the sun or the field you’re inside somewhere or whatever because you are rich
when the darker skinned italian immigrants came to america, they were racialized pariah among many. called degrading names, they were often shut out of schools, movie houses, & labor forces. even some churches had separate pews for them. most americans have no idea of the italian lynchings that took place in the 19th century. i could go on & on about all the hardships & sufferings americans suffered & triumphed over, but i would advise all americans to read read read history. it will change your view of the world & make you a better person.
Which is so stupid that people think like that today because we're in the modern 21st Century. Why people still are thinking in pre-Industrial Revolutions ways? Beats me....
I'm light skinned and work like a slave at a chocolate factory. The minute I complain or bring my work load to attention of staff I am reminded that I have a "good work ethic" and they'll send me help next time.
I'm Dominican. An Afro Latina. I've been told all my life I'm too "prieta". That I look Haitian or African (as if that was an insult) 🙄🙄 I few years ago a family friend even gave me her homemade bleaching skin, to make me look "fairer". Seriously, there's so much self-hate in the Latin community! They don't even like admitting that Afro Latinos exist. But there are more Afro Latinos that US African Americans. How can we not exist?!
Most of us are wicked or brainwashing wicked ass brothers and sisters. We had no Ideas how blessed we are, how protected our melanin skin is from the sun. Be proud, you have people right now busy to looks like you. Wish they had your melanin, So. Do research about how important your melanin is. You'll surprise. Bless up,.
My ex Dominicano boyfriend has a dark skinned father. When his lighter skinned mother brought his father to meet her parents, they were too upset she set the family back.
I’m surprised they didn’t use the bleaching creams point when talking about the Indian community. The dialogue said they’re becoming increasingly popular in Latin communities, but they’ve BEEN popular for decades in India/other south Asian countries
@@hiphipjorge5755 Correction. Nigerians and Indians are not distinct from Brits. There was as much mixing in the British colonies as there was in Spanish ones. Several generations of Euroindians in India not to mention 5th and 6th generation Indians and Pakistanis who have been living in England since the 1700s and marrying Brits attests to that. Indian was very much a valued and treasured part of the British Empire and the mixing between both cultures has bound them forever. Less so with Nigerians but still relevant. As to whitening creams, just because you haven't seen it in your region doesn't mean it doesn't exist big time. I would have claimed vehemently 10 years ago that bleaching was not a thing among West Africans because I'm middle class and shop in regular supermarkets and it was never talked about within my circles. Imagine my surprise when I started visiting local markets in my 30s and saw literally blocks and blocks of sellers peddling their wares. It was only then that I understood why some people were calling for a ban. Sometimes your lived reality is not the reality of the majority/minority.
Colorism is such a dangerous rooted idea in so many communities it’s sad. I see it the Latinx community first hand and many times it’s through little comments made by someone who doesn’t even realize they’re being colorist. Then other times it’s blatant on tv when all the telenovela actors are light and pale with prominent European features as if that is the epitome of beauty. It’s all rooted in colonialism by the Spanish having the ideology that ‘lighter skin is better/prettier’ live on. More people are recognizing it’s a problem and as long as communities continue to have these conversations hopefully we can erase these harmful ways of thinking.
The episode was confusing. Although Dre did a great job with this history lesson, the rest of the episode focused on Rainbow and Junior's issues with light skinned jokes. There never seemed to be a real understanding of Diane or Ruby's pain later in the episode. In fact after being called a "monster" by Rainbow for wanting to talk w/ Diane about her experiences, Ruby was the one who ended up apologizing to Rainbow without any real apology being reciprocated. Rainbow's haphazard apology ended with a "but" which negates the entire apology. There was never any acknowledgement of Diane and Ruby's experiences that actually tied in with this history lesson. Why there wasn't even an acknowledgement of the privileges the lighter skinned members received or any type of compromise as to call out colorism when they see it being done or enacted on darker skinned people. If you had no experience with colorism, based on this episode you would think it's something dark skinned people do to lighter skinned people since they were the only ones who truly received apologies. The whole thing made me wonder who wrote this and from what perspective. If I were to guess, I would bet on it being a lighter skinned person giving their take on colorism from their experiences. The episode totally missed the point. Colorism effects darker skinned people psychologically, socially and economically. It's that deep.What we need is for light skinned folks to recognize its realness and speak up.
Beautifully written. You said it all. As a parent of 5 and 1 out of the 5 is darker, we constantly have this discussion. It actually hurts worse when the derogatory comments are coming from people of color.
We had 3 out of 9 - mom was light and we other 6 came out "copper color" - not one very dark one. However, us copper colored, got no breaks either within family dynamics. In high school my light bright counselor told me I was not college material, regardless of the fact I was doing well in my classes. Anything other than being able to pass for white was treated with a lack of respect. My mother never passed for white and neither did my Grandfather! But his sisters and brothers did.
Because colorism goes both ways. The slave masters achieved division because many dark skin blacks see the difference in treatment and hold a resentment to light skinned blacks. I got bullied from a young age by other girls. Was called a banana for being "yellow". I'm not even biracial but there were only a few light skinned girls in our whole school. I and my family saw the discrimination in movies, music and the beauty industry. I knew guys who only dated light skinned girls. So this was the first time I have even seen anyone shead light on the jokes, dismissal belittling treatment that comes as not a fault of our own. I want even get into the "good hair"... In the end the effects of colorism is like a parent who treats 1 child different from the other. Sometimes the anger is directed on the parent but sometimes the anger is directed onto the sibling and the unfairness and hurt is taken out on him or her. We need to continue to recognize that the problem is real and all move forward to embrace all forms of beauty and let industry and entertainment dictate to us what true beauty is.
@@rugr82day I appreciate you sharing your experiences and sense your pain of being teased as a child. Colorism's byproduct of lighter skinned being verbally retaliated against is something that happens due to the oppression and frustration felt by the oppressed (darker skinned people). Although I don't agree with that behavior, I can see and understand why. When you are denied access to certain spaces, opportunities for advancement and even the acknowledgement of being a human being based upon not being "an acceptable complexion" the pain, hurt and rejection one feels is real and shows itself in various ways. Unfortunately "hurt people hurt people". I do want to acknowledge the resentment of not being included in certain circles (including our own families) is felt on both sides, however the subjugation of being socially immobilized or invisible to our own race is much deeper. In many instances being darker skinned is seen and treated as being sub-human. The perception that darker skinned people are harder, tougher, more tolerant to pain, unintelligent, unattractive, nor desirable is something we all should be fighting against because we know it to not be true. Yet in reality our individual bias factored in to the oppression. I'll never forget a friend from college sharing her experience growing up as the darker skinned grandchildren in her family. In her grandmother's home her own grandmother would not display her picture among the other lighter grandchildren on the coffee table based on her being "to dark". This beautiful girl had graduated HS top of her class, received a full ride 4-year scholarship, majored in pre-med, yet one of her biggest desires was to be good enough to "make it" to the coffee table. This girl refused to be in sunlight and used bleaching creams because she wanted to be light enough to be seen by her own grandmother. The pain she felt from being rejected growing up effected her well into adulthood socially and psychologically. Now imagine if one of the lighter skinned kids or grand kids called the grandmother out for her behavior and words? Imagine if they all stood together and said " if we all can't be displayed on the coffee table, none of us will!" Do you realize how powerful that would have been!? That's what we need to do together. I want light skinned people to not take a back seat and say "oh well, not my fault" because that to me seems a bit condescending. You wouldn't want a white person saying that to you after sharing your experiences with racism. Lighter skinned people need to acknowledge colorism, their privileges, and its oppressive effects and be willing to call out perpetrators. Your privilege literally comes at the expense of your darker skinned sisters and brothers. We have to do better.
I'm Russian and there, unless someone specifically prefers lighter skin akin to Dita Von Teese or some East Asian pop stars, in general if you have a tanned skin, it's considered as "beautiful" cause you have money to spend time on a seashore or somewhere sunny. Hence comes the popularity of tanning salons and tan creams.
I'm a dark skinned Malaysian Indian. I was looking for part time jobs at a shopping mall when I came across a signboard outside a beauty parlour that said that they only wanted Malay and Chinese females. Indirectly saying that they don't want any 'Indians' who might be dark skinned. It hurts that colourism is still an issue after all these years. So glad that people are talking about it !!!
Amen to this I am a bi racial female but I am light skinned and I get judge by other people of color. This is a real thing happening in the world and I am glad there is a show like black-is that shines light on these issues
And to think I almost missed out on this show bc I didn’t feel comfortable with the title! I have to find this episode! It’s dope and the subject is over due! ❤️
I will admit this episode was funny but interesting. I am surprised earl didn’t appear in this episode since it would have been cool to see more of his backstory like ruby.
I get bullied by my skin tone, I look like Essence Atkins. Didn’t even know it was a thing as we were an army family and moved around a lot, not one person I encountered every commented on my skin and as an army kid I interacted with every ethnicity. Wasn’t until I went to a predominately black school that I even knew what it was. I was violently attacked and bullied constantly. I’m shy and withdrawn and it was always attacked that I’m stuck up and think I’m better than others. Then going into the work force / same thing. Treated like a DOG by sisters. I moved to a northern predominantly white state and totally different world. The work place was so peaceful and wonderful and because there were so FEW black women we bonded together and some of them are still my good friends 10 years later. One of my work buddies was lighter skinned, went to her family for a holiday dinner and all of her women cousins were disparaging her and putting her down in snippy comments and then one came for me!!! But by that time I’d learned to speak up for myself and not be bullied over something so trivial to life. I’m sorry and this might be horrible to say but the only intentional infliction of volatile behaviors about colorism that I’ve ever received in my entire life were from other BW. Everyone in my extended family is a different color from black to white. My parents popped out 5 kids and ever single one of us are a different skin tone from Viola Davis color to Lisa Bonet color. It hurts because the shade or ethnicity of anyone does not matter to me, it’s about your character. sad. I know I’ll be attacked for writing this but this ish hurts. I want to be seen for who I am a person and not the color of my skin as we all should be. This is how I view others - they are people first! This earth just sucks on so many levels. Racism, colorism, sexism. We all have to stop and check ourselves. We have to look at people for who they are and not what color. I know colorism goes hand in hand with racism. Just…let’s all be better. Look at peoples character and not their exterior.
@My Name More people should've liked this comment but they aren't ready for this conversation. It's abusive behavior. People dont like when I use this terminology but its reverse colorism. Saying a brown/dark-skinned person cant be colorist against lightskinned people is like saying a black person cant be racist against whites.
I really loved this episode. And to be fair, I'm in between light skinned and dark skinned, closer to dark skinned. I've never faced any discrimination which I am grateful for. My whole family comes in many varieties of colors. For example, my sister has the lightest skin, whereas I have the darkest skin, and my brother is in between. Colorism really is a problem all around the world and is not needed under any circumstance.
It bothers me so much that people think that way . I was never taught to think bad about people's skin color .. I didn't even realize people treated black people poorly until I went to public school . I had many black friends when I was young and so does my family .. it never occurred to me other white people didn't treat them like we did . I just thought we were all people and that's how it was .
I agree I was not taught nor raised to treat people differently based on skin color. I am blessed to be from a black family with all shades, we're all beautiful our black is beautiful in all shades.
@@F0jizzle my dad is dark and my my mom is light i have a weird gene in my family back from french descants i was born realy light then darkened by a shade or two so my black friends are the same and never knew till i was like 7
As an african man, I've never understood that discrimination between light vs dark skin. I am dark but I don't really care about skin tone. I acknowledge that I've never been discriminated towards other black people, hence my nonchalance about it.
About India, it's true, and much more intense than anywhere else, because our religious books (hindu)describe dark as bad and evil. In kamasutra, dark skinned is deemed as ugly and undesirable while fair skin is applauded. And currently, people are obsessed with fair skin, so much that every matrimonial ad states, "tall fair bride wanted"
megha singh This is so true! I’m black but for my film class I watched a lot of Bollywood movies and the female love interest was always light skin with light eyes like that was the ideal for beauty.
meh, as a white person (like, blinding white) but with brown eyes and hair I get told I’m not “really white” all the time by the blonde-blue eyed brigade. I think there’s a very limited number of recessive gene sharers that have conned the whole world into thinking they’re superior.
megha singh in Hinduism all major gods like vishnu, Shiva, Krishna etc are of dark color. And you are putting an entire group of religion into a same category it is just like saying that every Muslim is a terrorist.
So what was the resolution to Diane's school picture? With all the dark skinned apologies, did Rainbow make her go to school and apologize to the class for messing up their photo by being to dark and standing on the back row? That's just how much this show missed the mark! Everything in this episode seemed to be what dark skinned people do to light skinned people..It bothered me that Rainbow had no real advice for how to handle Diane's experiences nor acknowledgement of her pain. Some things you just can't overlook or get passed, nor will the slogan "all black skin is beautiful" suffice for every situation.
@UC1C4DNeAeFdTZFAcBxjGw0A 1. Colorism is real and does effect darker skinned people socially, economically and psychologically. For example, within my grandparents generation certain HBCUs would not admit you if you didn't pass the paper test regardless of high academic performance. Imagine being denied access to higher education and how that would impact your ability to acquire higher wages. Families and future generations were socially and economically trapped. Where you live in this country (zip code) determines your access to a proper education, social mobility, and lifespan. Think about what that does to a person psychologically, to know you're more than capable but denied the opportunity simply because you're darker. Even when working factory jobs, your proximity to whiteness can be factored into your advancement from line work to management. 2. You stated "but that still doesn't mean that light skinned black ppl have to feel guilty about what they can't control in life in regards to their complexion/tone." This to me is often an argument used by the oppressor when addressing racism. I want you to imagine a white person stating this to you after hearing your experiences with racism. Seems a bit condescending. Lighter skinned people need to acknowledge colorism and its oppressive effects and be willing to call out perpetrators. Your privilege comes at the expense of your darker skinned sisters and brothers (literally). It's the "oh well, not my fault" attitude that I feel incites darker skinned people to retaliate verbally. Although I don't agree with that behavior, I can see and understand why. We have to do better. We have to stop the cycle.
being a light skinned biracial woman, i can attest to the fact that there is colorism prejudice among the black community. i was bullied by darker skin girls in public school. however, it has nothing to do with slavery. i am amazed at how many people of color hardly know anything about our history of slavery. thats a sad fact. colorism is just an extension of what our society considers beautiful at the time. black, white & all others. 60 years ago a woman with tattoos & face piercings would only live in a circus & be laughed at on the street.
This was my favorite scene in the episode. I'm Filipino and oh yeah...we get judged on the shade of our skin color. I've always hated it and grew up with people around me who threw ugly words at me 'cause of my skin color. Because of what I grew up with, I'm showing these very same people that success is truly not based on skin color. Oh -- and if it isn't my skin color, it's my absent-accent. Is there a term for that, too? I get judged for not speaking or understanding my native tongue.
As an African and older sister of a light skinned who is being bullied about her skin tone, I think both dark and light skinned people must express what they went through because she fills like it's better to keep this problem to herself just because she is light skinned. I think both sides deserve to express themselves. We have no right to say only one side experiences this colorism stuff because we don't know everything that's going on in people's lives
@Kim Ushe Thank you👏👏👏 If you are lightskinned and had people trying to fight you all the time it's dismissed as whining and complaining. It's abusive behavior and it's colorism in reverse.
, I’m South Indian and this is so true! We don’t just deal with name calling from other races but within our race too! Indians always believe that fair skin is a hallmark of prosperity 🙄. Fairness creams are a billion dollar industry in India. Saddens me to no end
When Ruby said I'm not a monster, tears trickled down. Again, when diane spoke, it hit home for me. South asians are obsessed with being lighter, especially for girls. more lighter you are more desirable you are, and better prospects you have. Its insanity.
Not true... those with light skin are mixed race. This video is ignorant. Mariah, Halle, Lenny are all mixed race. Mixed race come in all shades. The first enslaved black Africans from west African were not light skinned by any measure.
@@PsychicMedium4747 I'm pretty fair skin...I'm not mixed. I'll repeat my statement...Love yourself. Light skin, Dark skin, we are all BEAUTIFUL. Tone of skin doesn't determine your beauty.
Natilie E. S. Ok, if you are light skin you are mixed. Mixed is not just biracial...but those who have mixed parents . You do realize that two parents can be mixed right? Get an ancestry test you are mixed
Natilie E. S. Truth hurts... mixed come in all shades. Please go to school and learn about subsaharan. You are obviously uneducated. Light skin comes from mixed ancestry. I guess you forgot that millions of mixed race people are parents too lol. Why can’t some people think logically lol. East Africans are mixed with Arabs and both Africans are Berbers. Learn about Africa and get back with me. You are just as ignorant as the fool on the video. Mariah and Halle and Lenny are all mixed race. Mariah’s dad was mixed and mom white that’s why she looks more white because she is not 50/50 like Halle and Lenny. You are too ignorant to not know that
Yes colorism is alive and well within many communities of different races and ethnicities . This is one reason why black woman have a hard time on the dating scene.Black women have the darkest skin tone of all races and most men prefer to date someone close to their skin color and have children who are not dark. .
I came here to search for that amazing piece of education that "Black ish" throw out to us! Brilliant! It is time to talk about this topic. Can you please add spanish - castellano translation to it? Or I am officially announcing that I will take it and add SPANISH- CASTELLANO translation so everyone who is mentioned in this educational episode knows. How do we reach Latinos or even Afro-Latinos about colorism ? Well by educating, let's go!
@@afrosayadiaspora Here's a recent video. A confrontation with the ignorant boy who insulted her looks before. ruclips.net/video/f6jh3qRZZHw/видео.html
They didn't say any other countries that, have the same issues as well but they did give us some examples. That have problems with that colorism is no joke because if your dark skin you get so many comments that just hurt not physically, but mentally and light skin people will get some jokes that aging hurt mentality but not physically. But they did gave some good lesson why people do it. While some people will do it for fun, but from this episode they gave us some good ideas why people have done it and why be so like having troubles to emit things we should have done and it's not like we can change people's minds because we can't no regardless if you even if he tried to is not going to work but I'll probably say in a short note light skin light skin brown skin every skin color is beautiful no matter what skin color you are legit really your perfect you you can only be the perfect you no matter what anybody else says regardless you can just be you and be the perfect you be the perfect self and like nobody else
I’m Latina and I’ve never heard about skinbleach in our community, as I know, this is commonly used in India and South Africa. And yes, we have a lot of this colorism too. Mostly because we have all shades of black and white.
As an Indian I can confidently say that there are almost no dark skinned actors, and even fewer dark skinned actresses in mainstream media. It's not just Bollywood, you almost never see anyone deeper-skinned than tan in movies of any language across India.
what was the name of that song they played at the very beginning of this episode ??? Lyrics went as follows - "affection - it don't mean a thing" -- that's all remember of the song.
I really appreciate how they mentioned this reality is global.. It's disturbing... When I was born, my grandma was upset because I was fairly dark skinned. My mom got mad saying of course she is. She looks like her parents not the neighbors! LOL funny tho cuz my mom's a colorist too
In my opinion.. This should not be an issue.. We are all human beings.. With unique looks.. Different in every way... But honestly.. I as an asian.. Use whitening soaps.. On my dark parts of my body to even out my skin tone.. But i think im happy with my brown skin... We just have to embrace it.. Cuz we cant do anything about it.. Its just what it is.. So love it..
If any of you on here remember a wide mouthed comedian acting actress name Carol Channing - she was black to. My pic is my mom who, god rest her soul passed a few yrs ago.
I don't mean to like fetishize it or anything, but I love dark black skin. If you look closely you can see the many different depths of black hues like when you look out into the night's sky. I believe we are all beautiful in our own ways and know their are still flaws to what I say, but I also remember growing up hearing "judge not by the color of their skin but by the content of the character", something like that.
It happens in the Polynesian community as well, but not so much as many Polynesians are light/fair like Bow (due to numerous generations of mixed racial intermarriage) plus facial symmetry genetics blessed us moreover.
Guys , in brazil will always live that, whe have the second big black population in the world , and racism and colorism its so normal that hurts. I wish we cold be tv series like that here.
As a Mexican who works with Asians I can say yes it’s true . In asia if you’re light skinned you’re the most gorgeous.... in Mexico if you’re dark suddenly you’re considered indigenous. And god forbid if you want to date a black man or woman because they’ll be so scared your child will be dark Give me a break 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I am glad they discussed this topic. Everyone should be treated equally. There is nothing wrong with dark skin it's beautiful in all it's glory. I hate seeing my black sistas picking up bleaching cream just terrible, terrible...
Dre had a good point about it but the thing about him on that show he's not soft he doesn't throw away the whole black community because some people think he's soft because he's light skinned he still treats everyone the same unlike some people that have to go through colorism they start to demonize the others who are not the same color as them.
As I Native American I can’t relate. If you are too light, people won’t believe you’re native. If you are too dark that’s also a bad thing, because people will think you’re not native either. You have to be in a the correct shade range.
He was correct about Indian Film Industry, especially in the South. Name one South Indian Actress who's dark. It's more outrageous given the fact that almost everyone in South is dark skinned!
I see a lot of this but the other way round, like how thousands of people tan, being bullied myself and many other light skinned people in culture, even songs and films saying that if you're light skinned then youre not valid. MGA a doll company got tons of hate because there first black character in their doll line was black, but 'too light skinned' and she wasnt 'dark enough' and ive known of black and mexican people to have been bullied due to the fact that there mum is white or lighter, making them lighter. And there was even a turkish girl who recently got the wrath of the Internet thrown her way, dur to the fact that she was light skinned and therefore, shouldn't be allowed to do cultural dances... Of her own culture! It happens a lot.
I like this show a lot but I have to say that connecting colorism in Asia to colorism in black communities misses the mark. There has been colorism in Asia (linked to class and not Blackness/race) LONG before the USA even existed. So I don't think this show should suggest that colorism in Asia is a product of globalizing/exporting American culture. It's been there since well before colonialism existed. I'm sure that colonialism, Hollywood, etc. have only exacerbated the problem though.
In every black movie the girl is always lighter than the dude.. Always.
Sad state of affairs.
So true.
@@nyikomaswanganyi5983 Black Panther 👀
@Qu. Lisa Leeanne Lavish PREACH 🙌🏾
@Qu. Lisa Leeanne Lavish I hear you but again that's part of the color scheme we already know exist in mainstream entertainment. Symone Sanders, Abby Phillip, and Nia-Malika Henderson prove that there can be women of color who are darker than most light skinned women and still be in respected position's without having to be hired based on the tone of their complexion. As far as how many dark skinned black women are viewed on screen, that's an issue where more dark skinned women are gon' have to get involved to be seen and heard and as far as the barrier's go they still exist but women like Danai, Viola, Lupita, and even lil' Marsai Martin prove that it can be done.
Hands down, probably the best episode to date. A complex, touchy issue that's never really been dealt w/in prime time.
😏This was probably one of the best (if not the best) episode's of "Black ish". The dissection of light vs. dark skinned isn't something that we as black ppl normally take issue with in our own families but it is discussed outside our families and into the communities. To see how colorism is viewed within a black family who obviously come's in different shades and their own perspectives, myth's, discrimination, and harassment and how they felt about it was a brilliant part of American television that I'm glad was discussed towards black ppl, other ethnic groups of ppl with color and ppl who may not even know that this does happen for people of color's respective communities.
kj I don’t think it did. They did. You know how many people who say I’m soft cause my skins not dark enough and soft-spoken. I feel way junior feels. A family has mentioned sometimes cause I’m soft-spoken and sing higher and sing comfortably to my range and that I enjoy that I need more black in me. It’s not fun and Bow and Junior mentioned how some people make me feel: I’m light skinned and soft-spoken. I’m not black enough.
Yes this was very good and especially a good introduction for the people who mainly caused the issues which are white institutions that are the reason discrimination of skin tone even exist in the first place so this was very good
It was good, but it only scratched the surface(which I understand it’s only 22 min). There were definitely things that weren’t well written and they could’ve done better with.
EXCELLENT!!!
As a mixed female with a light complexion I personally wish I was darker. I get a load of shit talk about how pale I am and people asking if I am only just white. Even worse is when you are on social media or RUclips alone and there are people whom exclude you from certain groups because you aren’t black enough. I feel like this subject should be talked more of about everyone’s insecurities and their desires. We should direct more attention towards darker skinned women not getting the respect and attention they need but also towards the lighter people whom are stuck in a clash against envy because of the roles given.
Finally, colorism is getting national attention.
Well it's not real, so I'm glad we are getting national fake news
shrimp weed white people are so weird lol. This isn’t for you
@@GirlyGirlMsp black people are so weird lol, this isn't for you
@@BlueBolt Colorism is very much real. Sit here and try me. I have all day fool.
Yet they are not doing it right in grown ish or mix ish
Dre speaking international facts!!!
Yes he does have points but the thing about him he doesn't throw away all the other dark-skinned people because some people think he's soft because he's light unlike others that suffer from colorism they start to demonize the other color of people's who are not the same as them.
@@walterjohnson1740 Dre isn’t dark skin he’s brown skin
One of the reason for the whole white skin thing is that in many cultures pale skin meant that you where rich enough to not work all day. Fieldwork meant a tan from the sun. So light skin meant rich and powerfull, darker skin meant pour.
Wow that’s something I never thought about! Tan = you worked in the field meaning you were busting your ass in the sun working. Pale or lighter means you aren’t in the sun or the field you’re inside somewhere or whatever because you are rich
It is still colorism. Darker skinned not only meant poor, but uneducated, peasant, not pretty, unworthy, menacing, evil etc.
when the darker skinned italian immigrants came to america, they were racialized pariah among many. called degrading names, they were often shut out of schools, movie houses, & labor forces. even some churches had separate pews for them. most americans have no idea of the italian lynchings that took place in the 19th century. i could go on & on about all the hardships & sufferings americans suffered & triumphed over, but i would advise all americans to read read read history. it will change your view of the world & make you a better person.
Which is so stupid that people think like that today because we're in the modern 21st Century. Why people still are thinking in pre-Industrial Revolutions ways? Beats me....
I'm light skinned and work like a slave at a chocolate factory. The minute I complain or bring my work load to attention of staff I am reminded that I have a "good work ethic" and they'll send me help next time.
I'm Dominican. An Afro Latina. I've been told all my life I'm too "prieta". That I look Haitian or African (as if that was an insult) 🙄🙄 I few years ago a family friend even gave me her homemade bleaching skin, to make me look "fairer". Seriously, there's so much self-hate in the Latin community! They don't even like admitting that Afro Latinos exist. But there are more Afro Latinos that US African Americans. How can we not exist?!
Most of us are wicked or brainwashing wicked ass brothers and sisters. We had no Ideas how blessed we are, how protected our melanin skin is from the sun. Be proud, you have people right now busy to looks like you. Wish they had your melanin, So. Do research about how important your melanin is. You'll surprise. Bless up,.
My ex Dominicano boyfriend has a dark skinned father. When his lighter skinned mother brought his father to meet her parents, they were too upset she set the family back.
@@KAriedoll Yep. That happened to my dad as well with his 1st wife. They got divorced because she was shamed of him
@@petersonremolien9770 Amen to that ❤️
I am been told that I am not black enough
I’m surprised they didn’t use the bleaching creams point when talking about the Indian community. The dialogue said they’re becoming increasingly popular in Latin communities, but they’ve BEEN popular for decades in India/other south Asian countries
Same in Thailand. It's a pandemic.
Exactly. Poor research
Popular with Caribbean black ppl for decades
@@hiphipjorge5755 Correction. Nigerians and Indians are not distinct from Brits. There was as much mixing in the British colonies as there was in Spanish ones. Several generations of Euroindians in India not to mention 5th and 6th generation Indians and Pakistanis who have been living in England since the 1700s and marrying Brits attests to that. Indian was very much a valued and treasured part of the British Empire and the mixing between both cultures has bound them forever. Less so with Nigerians but still relevant.
As to whitening creams, just because you haven't seen it in your region doesn't mean it doesn't exist big time. I would have claimed vehemently 10 years ago that bleaching was not a thing among West Africans because I'm middle class and shop in regular supermarkets and it was never talked about within my circles. Imagine my surprise when I started visiting local markets in my 30s and saw literally blocks and blocks of sellers peddling their wares. It was only then that I understood why some people were calling for a ban. Sometimes your lived reality is not the reality of the majority/minority.
I think they are MORE popular in Jamaica and India than they are in latin america.
So true in the Asian community fair girls/boys would easily get married whereas for darker girls/boys it’s harder to get married.
not when they're rich!
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It is apprantly ok for men to be dark and they have no troubles with getting females.
@ From where have you heard this?
Colorism is such a dangerous rooted idea in so many communities it’s sad. I see it the Latinx community first hand and many times it’s through little comments made by someone who doesn’t even realize they’re being colorist. Then other times it’s blatant on tv when all the telenovela actors are light and pale with prominent European features as if that is the epitome of beauty. It’s all rooted in colonialism by the Spanish having the ideology that ‘lighter skin is better/prettier’ live on. More people are recognizing it’s a problem and as long as communities continue to have these conversations hopefully we can erase these harmful ways of thinking.
Latinx LMAO
I applaud y’all for taking on this issue 👏🏾💯
This is one episode where I learnt A LOT!!!!
The episode was confusing. Although Dre did a great job with this history lesson, the rest of the episode focused on Rainbow and Junior's issues with light skinned jokes. There never seemed to be a real understanding of Diane or Ruby's pain later in the episode. In fact after being called a "monster" by Rainbow for wanting to talk w/ Diane about her experiences, Ruby was the one who ended up apologizing to Rainbow without any real apology being reciprocated. Rainbow's haphazard apology ended with a "but" which negates the entire apology. There was never any acknowledgement of Diane and Ruby's experiences that actually tied in with this history lesson. Why there wasn't even an acknowledgement of the privileges the lighter skinned members received or any type of compromise as to call out colorism when they see it being done or enacted on darker skinned people.
If you had no experience with colorism, based on this episode you would think it's something dark skinned people do to lighter skinned people since they were the only ones who truly received apologies. The whole thing made me wonder who wrote this and from what perspective. If I were to guess, I would bet on it being a lighter skinned person giving their take on colorism from their experiences. The episode totally missed the point. Colorism effects darker skinned people psychologically, socially and economically. It's that deep.What we need is for light skinned folks to recognize its realness and speak up.
Beautifully written. You said it all. As a parent of 5 and 1 out of the 5 is darker, we constantly have this discussion. It actually hurts worse when the derogatory comments are coming from people of color.
We had 3 out of 9 - mom was light and we other 6 came out "copper color" - not one very dark one. However, us copper colored, got no breaks either within family dynamics. In high school my light bright counselor told me I was not college material, regardless of the fact I was doing well in my classes.
Anything other than being able to pass for white was treated with a lack of respect. My mother never passed for white and neither did my Grandfather! But his sisters and brothers did.
Because colorism goes both ways. The slave masters achieved division because many dark skin blacks see the difference in treatment and hold a resentment to light skinned blacks. I got bullied from a young age by other girls. Was called a banana for being "yellow". I'm not even biracial but there were only a few light skinned girls in our whole school. I and my family saw the discrimination in movies, music and the beauty industry. I knew guys who only dated light skinned girls. So this was the first time I have even seen anyone shead light on the jokes, dismissal belittling treatment that comes as not a fault of our own. I want even get into the "good hair"... In the end the effects of colorism is like a parent who treats 1 child different from the other. Sometimes the anger is directed on the parent but sometimes the anger is directed onto the sibling and the unfairness and hurt is taken out on him or her. We need to continue to recognize that the problem is real and all move forward to embrace all forms of beauty and let industry and entertainment dictate to us what true beauty is.
@@rugr82day I appreciate you sharing your experiences and sense your pain of being teased as a child. Colorism's byproduct of lighter skinned being verbally retaliated against is something that happens due to the oppression and frustration felt by the oppressed (darker skinned people). Although I don't agree with that behavior, I can see and understand why. When you are denied access to certain spaces, opportunities for advancement and even the acknowledgement of being a human being based upon not being "an acceptable complexion" the pain, hurt and rejection one feels is real and shows itself in various ways. Unfortunately "hurt people hurt people".
I do want to acknowledge the resentment of not being included in certain circles (including our own families) is felt on both sides, however the subjugation of being socially immobilized or invisible to our own race is much deeper. In many instances being darker skinned is seen and treated as being sub-human. The perception that darker skinned people are harder, tougher, more tolerant to pain, unintelligent, unattractive, nor desirable is something we all should be fighting against because we know it to not be true. Yet in reality our individual bias factored in to the oppression.
I'll never forget a friend from college sharing her experience growing up as the darker skinned grandchildren in her family. In her grandmother's home her own grandmother would not display her picture among the other lighter grandchildren on the coffee table based on her being "to dark". This beautiful girl had graduated HS top of her class, received a full ride 4-year scholarship, majored in pre-med, yet one of her biggest desires was to be good enough to "make it" to the coffee table. This girl refused to be in sunlight and used bleaching creams because she wanted to be light enough to be seen by her own grandmother. The pain she felt from being rejected growing up effected her well into adulthood socially and psychologically. Now imagine if one of the lighter skinned kids or grand kids called the grandmother out for her behavior and words? Imagine if they all stood together and said " if we all can't be displayed on the coffee table, none of us will!" Do you realize how powerful that would have been!?
That's what we need to do together. I want light skinned people to not take a back seat and say "oh well, not my fault" because that to me seems a bit condescending. You wouldn't want a white person saying that to you after sharing your experiences with racism. Lighter skinned people need to acknowledge colorism, their privileges, and its oppressive effects and be willing to call out perpetrators. Your privilege literally comes at the expense of your darker skinned sisters and brothers. We have to do better.
@@jpreddy3665 well said.
I'm Russian and there, unless someone specifically prefers lighter skin akin to Dita Von Teese or some East Asian pop stars, in general if you have a tanned skin, it's considered as "beautiful" cause you have money to spend time on a seashore or somewhere sunny. Hence comes the popularity of tanning salons and tan creams.
Truth! Facts! ✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
I'm a dark skinned Malaysian Indian. I was looking for part time jobs at a shopping mall when I came across a signboard outside a beauty parlour that said that they only wanted Malay and Chinese females. Indirectly saying that they don't want any 'Indians' who might be dark skinned. It hurts that colourism is still an issue after all these years. So glad that people are talking about it !!!
Amen to this I am a bi racial female but I am light skinned and I get judge by other people of color. This is a real thing happening in the world and I am glad there is a show like black-is that shines light on these issues
And to think I almost missed out on this show bc I didn’t feel comfortable with the title! I have to find this episode! It’s dope and the subject is over due! ❤️
I will admit this episode was funny but interesting. I am surprised earl didn’t appear in this episode since it would have been cool to see more of his backstory like ruby.
The writers probably though it would be in poor taste since he would of made too many light skin jokes in an episode that already had a lot of them.
Like how they called out other races too. Colourism is a issue that all communities suffer from.
This show is SO damn excellent!
I get bullied by my skin tone, I look like Essence Atkins. Didn’t even know it was a thing as we were an army family and moved around a lot, not one person I encountered every commented on my skin and as an army kid I interacted with every ethnicity. Wasn’t until I went to a predominately black school that I even knew what it was. I was violently attacked and bullied constantly. I’m shy and withdrawn and it was always attacked that I’m stuck up and think I’m better than others. Then going into the work force / same thing. Treated like a DOG by sisters. I moved to a northern predominantly white state and totally different world. The work place was so peaceful and wonderful and because there were so FEW black women we bonded together and some of them are still my good friends 10 years later. One of my work buddies was lighter skinned, went to her family for a holiday dinner and all of her women cousins were disparaging her and putting her down in snippy comments and then one came for me!!! But by that time I’d learned to speak up for myself and not be bullied over something so trivial to life. I’m sorry and this might be horrible to say but the only intentional infliction of volatile behaviors about colorism that I’ve ever received in my entire life were from other BW. Everyone in my extended family is a different color from black to white. My parents popped out 5 kids and ever single one of us are a different skin tone from Viola Davis color to Lisa Bonet color. It hurts because the shade or ethnicity of anyone does not matter to me, it’s about your character. sad. I know I’ll be attacked for writing this but this ish hurts. I want to be seen for who I am a person and not the color of my skin as we all should be. This is how I view others - they are people first! This earth just sucks on so many levels. Racism, colorism, sexism. We all have to stop and check ourselves. We have to look at people for who they are and not what color. I know colorism goes hand in hand with racism. Just…let’s all be better. Look at peoples character and not their exterior.
@My Name More people should've liked this comment but they aren't ready for this conversation. It's abusive behavior. People dont like when I use this terminology but its reverse colorism. Saying a brown/dark-skinned person cant be colorist against lightskinned people is like saying a black person cant be racist against whites.
Thank you for shining light on the Asian countries as well! I appreciate it
I don't why but the Mariah to Snipes colour scale gets me all the time 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol and I know people way blacker than Wesley
@@kid5042wait what?😭 I knew darkskin people existed there in my family but like people be that darkskin
@@USA-o5o my cousin is way darker than m and im about wesleys color
This show is so great! And this is one of the many reasons why I love it!
I really loved this episode. And to be fair, I'm in between light skinned and dark skinned, closer to dark skinned. I've never faced any discrimination which I am grateful for. My whole family comes in many varieties of colors. For example, my sister has the lightest skin, whereas I have the darkest skin, and my brother is in between. Colorism really is a problem all around the world and is not needed under any circumstance.
This is why black ish is one of my favorite shows
Which episode was this ?
@@aes2075 black like us
It bothers me so much that people think that way . I was never taught to think bad about people's skin color .. I didn't even realize people treated black people poorly until I went to public school . I had many black friends when I was young and so does my family .. it never occurred to me other white people didn't treat them like we did . I just thought we were all people and that's how it was .
I'm so glad people like you are around, makes the world easier to live in. Thank you.
I agree I was not taught nor raised to treat people differently based on skin color. I am blessed to be from a black family with all shades, we're all beautiful our black is beautiful in all shades.
@@F0jizzle my dad is dark and my my mom is light i have a weird gene in my family back from french descants i was born realy light then darkened by a shade or two so my black friends are the same and never knew till i was like 7
As an african man, I've never understood that discrimination between light vs dark skin. I am dark but I don't really care about skin tone. I acknowledge that I've never been discriminated towards other black people, hence my nonchalance about it.
About India, it's true, and much more intense than anywhere else, because our religious books (hindu)describe dark as bad and evil. In kamasutra, dark skinned is deemed as ugly and undesirable while fair skin is applauded. And currently, people are obsessed with fair skin, so much that every matrimonial ad states, "tall fair bride wanted"
megha singh This is so true! I’m black but for my film class I watched a lot of Bollywood movies and the female love interest was always light skin with light eyes like that was the ideal for beauty.
@@sassyjazzy126ify ideal! At times our actresses are whiter than actual blondes.
meh, as a white person (like, blinding white) but with brown eyes and hair I get told I’m not “really white” all the time by the blonde-blue eyed brigade. I think there’s a very limited number of recessive gene sharers that have conned the whole world into thinking they’re superior.
megha singh in Hinduism all major gods like vishnu, Shiva, Krishna etc are of dark color. And you are putting an entire group of religion into a same category it is just like saying that every Muslim is a terrorist.
@@sassora Bro what the majority of white people have brown hair and eyes?
I’m so glad I saw this. I genuinely had no idea that this was an issue. Now that I know, I can be better than I was yesterday
I lost everything when the grandma calls Junior "lightskin Judas" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Thats Dope that they did this episode!
This shit hit different when u actually see it on a Mainstream TV show, NOBODY wants to talk about the TRUTH!
This show taught me more about black culture than my Black History class did
So what was the resolution to Diane's school picture? With all the dark skinned apologies, did Rainbow make her go to school and apologize to the class for messing up their photo by being to dark and standing on the back row? That's just how much this show missed the mark! Everything in this episode seemed to be what dark skinned people do to light skinned people..It bothered me that Rainbow had no real advice for how to handle Diane's experiences nor acknowledgement of her pain. Some things you just can't overlook or get passed, nor will the slogan "all black skin is beautiful" suffice for every situation.
@UC1C4DNeAeFdTZFAcBxjGw0A 1. Colorism is real and does effect darker skinned people socially, economically and psychologically. For example, within my grandparents generation certain HBCUs would not admit you if you didn't pass the paper test regardless of high academic performance. Imagine being denied access to higher education and how that would impact your ability to acquire higher wages. Families and future generations were socially and economically trapped. Where you live in this country (zip code) determines your access to a proper education, social mobility, and lifespan. Think about what that does to a person psychologically, to know you're more than capable but denied the opportunity simply because you're darker. Even when working factory jobs, your proximity to whiteness can be factored into your advancement from line work to management.
2. You stated "but that still doesn't mean that light skinned black ppl have to feel guilty about what they can't control in life in regards to their complexion/tone." This to me is often an argument used by the oppressor when addressing racism. I want you to imagine a white person stating this to you after hearing your experiences with racism. Seems a bit condescending. Lighter skinned people need to acknowledge colorism and its oppressive effects and be willing to call out perpetrators. Your privilege comes at the expense of your darker skinned sisters and brothers (literally). It's the "oh well, not my fault" attitude that I feel incites darker skinned people to retaliate verbally. Although I don't agree with that behavior, I can see and understand why. We have to do better. We have to stop the cycle.
Thanks for the history lesson there, now we've got to make things equally
being a light skinned biracial woman, i can attest to the fact that there is colorism prejudice among the black community. i was bullied by darker skin girls in public school. however, it has nothing to do with slavery. i am amazed at how many people of color hardly know anything about our history of slavery. thats a sad fact. colorism is just an extension of what our society considers beautiful at the time. black, white & all others. 60 years ago a woman with tattoos & face piercings would only live in a circus & be laughed at on the street.
facts
This entire episode should be watched more than once.. Diana's molding into a great actress.. 😎
Much Needed !!!!
blackish is basically the marvel extended universe of tv shows.
Finally a tv show is discussing this global issue
This was my favorite scene in the episode. I'm Filipino and oh yeah...we get judged on the shade of our skin color. I've always hated it and grew up with people around me who threw ugly words at me 'cause of my skin color. Because of what I grew up with, I'm showing these very same people that success is truly not based on skin color. Oh -- and if it isn't my skin color, it's my absent-accent. Is there a term for that, too? I get judged for not speaking or understanding my native tongue.
Same,it's horrible
As an African and older sister of a light skinned who is being bullied about her skin tone, I think both dark and light skinned people must express what they went through because she fills like it's better to keep this problem to herself just because she is light skinned. I think both sides deserve to express themselves. We have no right to say only one side experiences this colorism stuff because we don't know everything that's going on in people's lives
@Kim Ushe Thank you👏👏👏 If you are lightskinned and had people trying to fight you all the time it's dismissed as whining and complaining. It's abusive behavior and it's colorism in reverse.
, I’m South Indian and this is so true! We don’t just deal with name calling from other races but within our race too! Indians always believe that fair skin is a hallmark of prosperity 🙄. Fairness creams are a billion dollar industry in India. Saddens me to no end
When Ruby said I'm not a monster, tears trickled down. Again, when diane spoke, it hit home for me. South asians are obsessed with being lighter, especially for girls. more lighter you are more desirable you are, and better prospects you have. Its insanity.
I learn more from this video then i did my whole year in school
Finally.. This is an issue in many parts of the world
I love this show so much!
This is so True.
Light skin...Dark skin...
We're still BLACK.
Love yourself. You were born Beautiful.
Not true... those with light skin are mixed race. This video is ignorant. Mariah, Halle, Lenny are all mixed race. Mixed race come in all shades. The first enslaved black Africans from west African were not light skinned by any measure.
@@PsychicMedium4747 I'm pretty fair skin...I'm not mixed.
I'll repeat my statement...Love yourself. Light skin, Dark skin, we are all BEAUTIFUL. Tone of skin doesn't determine your beauty.
Natilie E. S. Ok, if you are light skin you are mixed. Mixed is not just biracial...but those who have mixed parents . You do realize that two parents can be mixed right? Get an ancestry test you are mixed
@@PsychicMedium4747 lol...
Okay white Boy!!!
Natilie E. S. Truth hurts... mixed come in all shades. Please go to school and learn about subsaharan. You are obviously uneducated. Light skin comes from mixed ancestry. I guess you forgot that millions of mixed race people are parents too lol. Why can’t some people think logically lol. East Africans are mixed with Arabs and both Africans are Berbers. Learn about Africa and get back with me. You are just as ignorant as the fool on the video. Mariah and Halle and Lenny are all mixed race. Mariah’s dad was mixed and mom white that’s why she looks more white because she is not 50/50 like Halle and Lenny. You are too ignorant to not know that
A free history lesson all people need to hear. ❤
Yes colorism is alive and well within many communities of different races and ethnicities . This is one reason why black woman have a hard time on the dating scene.Black women have the darkest skin tone of all races and most men prefer to date someone close to their skin color and have children who are not dark. .
Damn this was so accurate he talked about colorist worldwide so well 😱💜
I came here to search for that amazing piece of education that "Black ish" throw out to us! Brilliant! It is time to talk about this topic. Can you please add spanish - castellano translation to it? Or I am officially announcing that I will take it and add SPANISH- CASTELLANO translation so everyone who is mentioned in this educational episode knows. How do we reach Latinos or even Afro-Latinos about colorism ? Well by educating, let's go!
You can watch the Spanish audio version on Hulu. Black-ish En Español. There are subtitles for both shows.
Amara La Negra from Love & Hip Hop Miami has been addressing this issue for years now. You can look for her and her critics on RUclips.
Thanks @@CarynDPrescott ! I will check it out.
@@afrosayadiaspora Here's a recent video. A confrontation with the ignorant boy who insulted her looks before. ruclips.net/video/f6jh3qRZZHw/видео.html
as an Indian wrote a paper on colorism in India- so happy to see this got dre's attention
Great episode 👍🏾🏅
We need y'all
Amazing episode
He did a good job of explaining the issue. Im really light and my skin tone is such a pain to deal with. Wish I had a darker complexion.
Im surprised they didnt mention Jamaica
They didn't say any other countries that, have the same issues as well but they did give us some examples. That have problems with that colorism is no joke because if your dark skin you get so many comments that just hurt not physically, but mentally and light skin people will get some jokes that aging hurt mentality but not physically. But they did gave some good lesson why people do it. While some people will do it for fun, but from this episode they gave us some good ideas why people have done it and why be so like having troubles to emit things we should have done and it's not like we can change people's minds because we can't no regardless if you even if he tried to is not going to work but I'll probably say in a short note light skin light skin brown skin every skin color is beautiful no matter what skin color you are legit really your perfect you you can only be the perfect you no matter what anybody else says regardless you can just be you and be the perfect you be the perfect self and like nobody else
They did it by race jamacians came there the same way so
That is so in accurate I’ve never seen a Hispanic lighten there skin but I have seen this in Jamaica
Powerful message
I’m Latina and I’ve never heard about skinbleach in our community, as I know, this is commonly used in India and South Africa.
And yes, we have a lot of this colorism too. Mostly because we have all shades of black and white.
Love this episode
100%true
*They are 4 season late with this subject but a least they finally addressed it!*
As an Indian I can confidently say that there are almost no dark skinned actors, and even fewer dark skinned actresses in mainstream media. It's not just Bollywood, you almost never see anyone deeper-skinned than tan in movies of any language across India.
I'm pakistani and darker than both of my siblings they're light skinned whereas I'm dark skin
“Sometimes we even discriminate against each other.” ? Sometimes?
PERIOD DRE YOU TELL THEM!!!! 😎
This why I love this show
what was the name of that song they played at the very beginning of this episode ??? Lyrics went as follows - "affection - it don't mean a thing" -- that's all remember of the song.
I really appreciate how they mentioned this reality is global.. It's disturbing... When I was born, my grandma was upset because I was fairly dark skinned. My mom got mad saying of course she is. She looks like her parents not the neighbors! LOL funny tho cuz my mom's a colorist too
In my opinion.. This should not be an issue.. We are all human beings.. With unique looks.. Different in every way... But honestly.. I as an asian.. Use whitening soaps.. On my dark parts of my body to even out my skin tone.. But i think im happy with my brown skin... We just have to embrace it.. Cuz we cant do anything about it.. Its just what it is.. So love it..
If any of you on here remember a wide mouthed comedian acting actress name Carol Channing - she was black to. My pic is my mom who, god rest her soul passed a few yrs ago.
I don't mean to like fetishize it or anything, but I love dark black skin. If you look closely you can see the many different depths of black hues like when you look out into the night's sky.
I believe we are all beautiful in our own ways and know their are still flaws to what I say, but I also remember growing up hearing "judge not by the color of their skin but by the content of the character", something like that.
This is so true 😢😢😢
Is this channel available on sky/sky+hd
It happens in the Polynesian community as well, but not so much as many Polynesians are light/fair like Bow (due to numerous generations of mixed racial intermarriage) plus facial symmetry genetics blessed us moreover.
Guys , in brazil will always live that, whe have the second big black population in the world , and racism and colorism its so normal that hurts. I wish we cold be tv series like that here.
I'm glad God looks at the heart! Amen!!
I missed this show
SOME TIMES we discriminate against each other for a color? I have experienced no greater prejudice then within my own race and that's facts!
don't hate what god gave you - Malcolm x
If He gave me cancer, I would be pretty pissed. Just throwing it out there.
At least in South Africa skin whitening products are illegal, but people still buy them from Chinese or Indian stores.
i'm asian but i use umbrellas to go out not because i mind getting tanned, it's mostly to prevent skin damage from direct contact w sunlight lol
As a Mexican who works with Asians I can say yes it’s true . In asia if you’re light skinned you’re the most gorgeous....
in Mexico if you’re dark suddenly you’re considered indigenous. And god forbid if you want to date a black man or woman because they’ll be so scared your child will be dark
Give me a break 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
My mom gets so upset because I am more fair skinned than she deems good. We are middle eastern/European. It's an issue across the board.
I am glad they discussed this topic. Everyone should be treated equally. There is nothing wrong with dark skin it's beautiful in all it's glory. I hate seeing my black sistas picking up bleaching cream just terrible, terrible...
As a pasty face Irish white boy.
This is terrible, but also... Thank you?... I guess?
good dre
Dre had a good point about it but the thing about him on that show he's not soft he doesn't throw away the whole black community because some people think he's soft because he's light skinned he still treats everyone the same unlike some people that have to go through colorism they start to demonize the others who are not the same color as them.
Good that they are talking about colorism. But Indians are Asians too.
Sadly, it's a big issue in my black African country too.
Lilian Anena which ones? Because last I check we don't have too many of these half breeds in Africa....
Guys....how can they say jr looks like raven symone with a fade if raven plays dres sister on the show????!
As I Native American I can’t relate. If you are too light, people won’t believe you’re native. If you are too dark that’s also a bad thing, because people will think you’re not native either. You have to be in a the correct shade range.
At 0:19 who's the guy between Method Man & Wesley Snipes?
Kevin Durant
He was correct about Indian Film Industry, especially in the South.
Name one South Indian Actress who's dark. It's more outrageous given the fact that almost everyone in South is dark skinned!
Spot on the Asian part on skin colour
I see a lot of this but the other way round, like how thousands of people tan, being bullied myself and many other light skinned people in culture, even songs and films saying that if you're light skinned then youre not valid. MGA a doll company got tons of hate because there first black character in their doll line was black, but 'too light skinned' and she wasnt 'dark enough' and ive known of black and mexican people to have been bullied due to the fact that there mum is white or lighter, making them lighter. And there was even a turkish girl who recently got the wrath of the Internet thrown her way, dur to the fact that she was light skinned and therefore, shouldn't be allowed to do cultural dances... Of her own culture! It happens a lot.
I like this show a lot but I have to say that connecting colorism in Asia to colorism in black communities misses the mark. There has been colorism in Asia (linked to class and not Blackness/race) LONG before the USA even existed. So I don't think this show should suggest that colorism in Asia is a product of globalizing/exporting American culture. It's been there since well before colonialism existed. I'm sure that colonialism, Hollywood, etc. have only exacerbated the problem though.