Thanks for one of the best described and well performed set of measurements explaining why outdoor antennas really should be almost mandatory when using 4G/5G in fixed (indoor) locations! I often state that operators should carry costs of such installations (see video on Poynting channel for more) because, on average, speeds are roughly improved by 4x to 5x meaning that operators can accommodate 4 to 5 times more subscribers when subscribers are equipped with outdoor antennas. This means 4 to 5 times revenue when capacity becomes a constraint which almost always happen in urban areas. Such massive increase in cellular capacity and hence operator revenues achieved by simply providing subscribers with installation and antennas is almost 10x cheaper for operators compared to improving their base station network. They should hence see the automatic provision of subscribers with external antennas as more effective "capex" spend and savings outweighs these costs by large margin. Note that in this case the speed increases up and down was 10x and that is with base station 300m from location - very often operators will only supply customers with antennas in areas further removed. Clearly unwise in terms of their own capacity interests but also in terms of customer experience with wireless internet speed. Note quality of connectivity also typically is much more consistent with outdoor antennas compared to indoor. This is because movements indoor causes rapid fluctuations in indoor signals making internet performance unpredictable.
Thanks for this very nice comment, and for the interesting aspect, that indoor (!) antennas can have such positive effects on the providers LTE-5G-Networks. Will try to learn more on these effects from some provider contacts.
In suburban area here in UK. Bought tplink mr600 4g+ router, signal is very flakey inside house on Three UK network using the routers rabbit ear antennas (0-3mbps download, 0-1mbps upload) - I am 0.2 mile away from the Three mast but according to cellmapper the mast is focusing on opposite direction. I took the plunge and bought the XPOL 01 5g Omni directional. Speeds are now good enough and stable enough for constant streaming on several devices, getting 30mbps down and 20mbps up on this antennas which is 15 foot high on side of my house facing the mast that is directed away from my antenna. Happy with it, could go with a different network for faster speeds but I wanted to go with three as they are much cheaper than the other networks.
Thanks for going over the obvious contradictions. I wish the manufacturers would create separate (EDIT: MORE AFFORDABLE ) modem for LTE/5G reception and conversion to Ethernet(POE) that can go down into the house to the WiFi router. Of course it already exists - but at ridiculous prices.
Perhaps one final comment on this excellent video: The XPOL1 which somehow in this case provided the largest performance benefit can also be mounted against the window using "suckers" provided. As long as the window is not metal coated this needs not be on outside but can also be on inside of window and makes mounting simple (so called "self install") since user can simply stick to window. Important to choose a window at least in direction of some nearby towers but easy to identify by using your phone and looking at signal bars close to available windows. Would live to see a test with XPOL1 mounted against balcony window compared to set above? 🙂
Thank you for this interesting comment. Good to hear, that it makes no difference, if the antenna on the window "looks" to the inside or towards the outside... will try this asap in coming videos
I have found that the performance varies wildly, depending on time of day loading of the cell. Furthermore the band that is selected at any given time also has its own characteristics - for instance on band 1 I get a balanced 36/35Mbps down and upload speed but on band 1 and 3 combined (MIMO) I have seen 147Mbps down and 47Mbps upload. On band 41 I have seen 109 Down and about 26 Mbps upload. Furthermore -it also depends on the contract with the provider - I am limited to 100Mbps but what I've seen is that on a connection that shows -53dB RSRP, -6RSRQ my SNR was deliberately throttled to 0dB right after I had a speed test with 97Mbps down and 40Mbps upload speed when the SNR was 21dB. So it all depends.
Super useful and fully comprensible english for not native language ! FWA connection do have a very variable bandwith so I thinks bandwith measurement are not accurate enough to compare different antenna ! I find more useful SINR RSRQ and RSRP parameter Greetings from italy
Vielen Dank fürs Lob, und für die Anregung:) Latenzen nehme ich mir gerne vor asap. Bist Du ein Native English Speaker? Das war jetzt mal mein erstes Video in Englisch...
A very thoroughly presented set of tests and product reviews. Is it possible, when achieving 327Mbps DL speeds with the omni-directional Poynting XPOL-1-5G, that the Qualcomm 5G modem was carrier aggregating (CA) signals from more than one tower? I don't know to what extent operators enable CA across n towers but I understand it is possible and I am sure Deutsche Telekom will have one of the most advanced network configurations. A question, how many km (in a straight line) is your home from the 5G tower on the A94 Trade Fair highway?
Hi Linda, the mentioned antennas are great for outdoor and designed for outdoor usage. It is much better to install them outdoors and not like me Indoors
Ich hätte eine Frage zum Wifi6 Heim Netzwerk ( privater Modus) , beim normalen Transfer von freigegebenen Ordner von einem Desktop Rechner der direkt mit dem Router (Wifi6 RAX200 Netgear) verbunden ist auf ein Wifi6E Notebook, bei mir kommt es vor, das meine Geschwindigkeit von 113MB/S auf 60MB/s fällt, bei Abstand von nicht mal 2 Meter , irgendwelche Vorschläge woran das liegen könnte oder irgend welchen Einstellungen am Notebook ?
Kann es sein, dass die SSD deines Notebooks an der Speichergrenze arbeitet? Dann Papierkorb leeren und Riesen-Dateien auslagern... Das hatte ich schon oft, wenn ich bei WLAN-Messungen riesige Dateien von der NAS auf den Laptop herunter lade... 🙂
Interesting what speed do you have on the balcony with a regular phone, or with different phones if that make any difference. Also how stable is the ping between a phone on the balcony compare to the router in the room, and with the antennas also. I am asking because i am using the phone as thetering with good connection but the ping its unstable, will the router help with the ping, or with better speeds? I think a video called "5G Router VS Phone Tethering: Ultimate Speed & Ping Comparison - What's Faster?" will be interesting for many people.
Hi Allex, Many Thanks for your very interesting comment and your new Video Idea. It sounds very relevant. Hope to find enough time for such a comparison between a 5G Router and a 5G Handy Tethering.
@@HaraldKarcher thank you for your reply. I hope you'll find time to make a video. If not, I would greatly appreciate a comment with a simple ping/speed test results from the phone on the balcony vs router. Cheers.
Good afternoon father I like to know this product can operate in 5G/4G/LTE router cause I want buy once XPOL1 v2 41? I saw at Takealot so I want to buy fit all bands outdoors
@@HaraldKarcher For now father i have Huawei B525 4G LTE but in future L want to buy this router because I dislike to buy differences booster it Waste of money to me it good buy once off cover all routers Huawei 5G Wireless Router H112-370 - White (one SIM Card slot)😂🤣😅here on youtube is only you reply me what am looking for ,thanky you a lot now am going to website at Takealot I saw there after pushing them to order for me cause I saw my many videos on RUclips
Thanks for one of the best described and well performed set of measurements explaining why outdoor antennas really should be almost mandatory when using 4G/5G in fixed (indoor) locations! I often state that operators should carry costs of such installations (see video on Poynting channel for more) because, on average, speeds are roughly improved by 4x to 5x meaning that operators can accommodate 4 to 5 times more subscribers when subscribers are equipped with outdoor antennas. This means 4 to 5 times revenue when capacity becomes a constraint which almost always happen in urban areas. Such massive increase in cellular capacity and hence operator revenues achieved by simply providing subscribers with installation and antennas is almost 10x cheaper for operators compared to improving their base station network. They should hence see the automatic provision of subscribers with external antennas as more effective "capex" spend and savings outweighs these costs by large margin.
Note that in this case the speed increases up and down was 10x and that is with base station 300m from location - very often operators will only supply customers with antennas in areas further removed. Clearly unwise in terms of their own capacity interests but also in terms of customer experience with wireless internet speed. Note quality of connectivity also typically is much more consistent with outdoor antennas compared to indoor. This is because movements indoor causes rapid fluctuations in indoor signals making internet performance unpredictable.
Thanks for this very nice comment, and for the interesting aspect, that indoor (!) antennas can have such positive effects on the providers LTE-5G-Networks. Will try to learn more on these effects from some provider contacts.
In suburban area here in UK. Bought tplink mr600 4g+ router, signal is very flakey inside house on Three UK network using the routers rabbit ear antennas (0-3mbps download, 0-1mbps upload) - I am 0.2 mile away from the Three mast but according to cellmapper the mast is focusing on opposite direction.
I took the plunge and bought the XPOL 01 5g Omni directional.
Speeds are now good enough and stable enough for constant streaming on several devices, getting 30mbps down and 20mbps up on this antennas which is 15 foot high on side of my house facing the mast that is directed away from my antenna.
Happy with it, could go with a different network for faster speeds but I wanted to go with three as they are much cheaper than the other networks.
Hi @@ep1929 Thanks for the feedback. We will use your comments on our social media if OK. Kind regards Ylana
@@poyntingantennas yes no problem Ylana.
Thanks for going over the obvious contradictions. I wish the manufacturers would create separate (EDIT: MORE AFFORDABLE ) modem for LTE/5G reception and conversion to Ethernet(POE) that can go down into the house to the WiFi router. Of course it already exists - but at ridiculous prices.
Perhaps one final comment on this excellent video: The XPOL1 which somehow in this case provided the largest performance benefit can also be mounted against the window using "suckers" provided. As long as the window is not metal coated this needs not be on outside but can also be on inside of window and makes mounting simple (so called "self install") since user can simply stick to window. Important to choose a window at least in direction of some nearby towers but easy to identify by using your phone and looking at signal bars close to available windows. Would live to see a test with XPOL1 mounted against balcony window compared to set above? 🙂
Thank you for this interesting comment. Good to hear, that it makes no difference, if the antenna on the window "looks" to the inside or towards the outside... will try this asap in coming videos
I have found that the performance varies wildly, depending on time of day loading of the cell. Furthermore the band that is selected at any given time also has its own characteristics - for instance on band 1 I get a balanced 36/35Mbps down and upload speed but on band 1 and 3 combined (MIMO) I have seen 147Mbps down and 47Mbps upload. On band 41 I have seen 109 Down and about 26 Mbps upload. Furthermore -it also depends on the contract with the provider - I am limited to 100Mbps but what I've seen is that on a connection that shows -53dB RSRP, -6RSRQ my SNR was deliberately throttled to 0dB right after I had a speed test with 97Mbps down and 40Mbps upload speed when the SNR was 21dB. So it all depends.
Thank you for your very interesting observations:)
Super useful and fully comprensible english for not native language !
FWA connection do have a very variable bandwith so I thinks bandwith measurement are not accurate enough to compare different antenna ! I find more useful SINR RSRQ and RSRP parameter
Greetings from italy
Thank you for the very nice feedback and for your very useful suggestions 😂😂😂
Super usefull information, danke..
Thank you so much 😂😂😂
wieder ein super Video, danke! PS: Latenzen wären noch interessant. :-)
Vielen Dank fürs Lob, und für die Anregung:) Latenzen nehme ich mir gerne vor asap. Bist Du ein Native English Speaker? Das war jetzt mal mein erstes Video in Englisch...
@@HaraldKarcher native schwäbisch :-)
A very thoroughly presented set of tests and product reviews. Is it possible, when achieving 327Mbps DL speeds with the omni-directional Poynting XPOL-1-5G, that the Qualcomm 5G modem was carrier aggregating (CA) signals from more than one tower? I don't know to what extent operators enable CA across n towers but I understand it is possible and I am sure Deutsche Telekom will have one of the most advanced network configurations. A question, how many km (in a straight line) is your home from the 5G tower on the A94 Trade Fair highway?
Thanks for your very interesting comment:) I might have had CA. The 5G Tower is less than 300 Meters from my home:)
Your outdoor router is under a rooflight? What if we need an outside router that is going to be open to the elements?
Hi Linda, the mentioned antennas are great for outdoor and designed for outdoor usage. It is much better to install them outdoors and not like me Indoors
Ich hätte eine Frage zum Wifi6 Heim Netzwerk ( privater Modus) , beim normalen Transfer von freigegebenen Ordner von einem Desktop Rechner der direkt mit dem Router (Wifi6 RAX200 Netgear) verbunden ist auf ein Wifi6E Notebook, bei mir kommt es vor, das meine Geschwindigkeit von 113MB/S auf 60MB/s fällt, bei Abstand von nicht mal 2 Meter , irgendwelche Vorschläge woran das liegen könnte oder irgend welchen Einstellungen am Notebook ?
Kann es sein, dass die SSD deines Notebooks an der Speichergrenze arbeitet? Dann Papierkorb leeren und Riesen-Dateien auslagern... Das hatte ich schon oft, wenn ich bei WLAN-Messungen riesige Dateien von der NAS auf den Laptop herunter lade... 🙂
Interesting what speed do you have on the balcony with a regular phone, or with different phones if that make any difference. Also how stable is the ping between a phone on the balcony compare to the router in the room, and with the antennas also. I am asking because i am using the phone as thetering with good connection but the ping its unstable, will the router help with the ping, or with better speeds? I think a video called "5G Router VS Phone Tethering: Ultimate Speed & Ping Comparison - What's Faster?" will be interesting for many people.
Hi Allex, Many Thanks for your very interesting comment and your new Video Idea. It sounds very relevant. Hope to find enough time for such a comparison between a 5G Router and a 5G Handy Tethering.
@@HaraldKarcher thank you for your reply. I hope you'll find time to make a video. If not, I would greatly appreciate a comment with a simple ping/speed test results from the phone on the balcony vs router. Cheers.
Good afternoon father I like to know this product can operate in 5G/4G/LTE router cause I want buy once XPOL1 v2 41? I saw at Takealot so I want to buy fit all bands outdoors
Which 5G-Router do you have? If it has two external SMA-Ports, the XPOL1 v2 41 should work on it:)
@@HaraldKarcher For now father i have Huawei B525 4G LTE but in future L want to buy this router because I dislike to buy differences booster it Waste of money to me it good buy once off cover all routers Huawei 5G Wireless Router H112-370 - White (one SIM Card slot)😂🤣😅here on youtube is only you reply me what am looking for ,thanky you a lot now am going to website at Takealot I saw there after pushing them to order for me cause I saw my many videos on RUclips
I found my inbuilt antenna of my 5g router better than a poynting 5g antenna.
Thanks for sharing the experience 😂😊👍