"IT EXISTS! The Winnower is REAL!" | Aztecross Reacts Destiny 2 The Final Shape
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Today we're taking a look at one of My Name is Byf's most recent lore videos detailing the recent evidence we got from Bungie of the Winnower's existence and it's potential role in the Light versus Dark saga. Everyone, please go check out Byf's channel, subscribe, like, and leave a comment on this amazing video.
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Everyone, please go check out Byf's channel, subscribe, like, and leave a comment on this amazing video.
Byf's Video: ruclips.net/video/ZL7yq7hXNGY/видео.htmlsi=3924TKJaQSudezvY
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Edit: Apologies guys. We talked about this video extensively after we watched it, but it seems it didn't make it into this edit. Either way, please watch Byf's video on this. It's exceptional and challenges everything we assumed or thought we knew.
That's how you do reaction content. Linking the creator and the video, unlike some people (cough, cough, sniperwolf).
aztecross bungie is just taking from the bible
this is not new lore
READ THE BIBLE FOR ONCE
( the shade of tree shall cover all nations )
DANIEL 4;11
The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth
BUNGIE IS JUST COPYING THE BIBLE
nothing new
Appreciate the love Cross. Thanks from me to you and your team. Also, thanks for the many comments. The Winnower video will now be immortalised with thousands of comments on the size of my dong...
Byf makes me puke. What a gross character he is.
Hey cross, I ran into you earlier on Nessus as you were making your way to turn Carl into a testing dummy yet again. Looking forward to the next informal video you got! Much love bro🙏🏼
I ran into cross in D1 and said GG and i like his youtube videos but ignored me cus i warlock fusion him in rumble 😂
@@CursedMarkZain bot
I always love stuff like this. One time I saw a friend of mine in the killfeed of a Datto video lol
I ran into cross and bros in trials unfortunately. We got manhandled and i was a fan ever since.
@@ChaseChippyit’s super funny to me. People that know the creators scurry their way to them to do emotes and bag around them. I’ve seen Datto and Sweat in the tower as well and everyone made a ring around them doing goofy stuff. Always a good time lol
We have the ⚪circle. Just fucked up the ⛛ triangle. Square ⬜ coming at us
tell him to square up
Those are definitely the 3 basic shapes of the universe
@@o_b_cityHexagons be like:
But who is the X?
@@Landofalcon007The guardians
Aight now we need a Aztecross Dread language translation video
Yeah I’m still lost on that like no way in hell.
What you mean I gotta record the audio? And then look at the sound wave under a music program or something? 😂
Play it backwards! lol
I love how cross isn’t even really “reacting” like most RUclipsrs, he’s just having the same reaction as all of us, just interest
I love the concept of The Winnower, because its not evil, its just the natural laws of the universe. Nothing can win, if noone loses.
The way we step into Raids, Dungeons, Nightfalls, Exotic Mission... the victory only exists, because WE CAN FAIL.
Without failure, without inevitable, how do we win?
But if we are unbeatable, and we fought the unwinnable... and we won? Then what. Did we earn our right to be invincible? Did we earn the right to control life?
If we are above death, does that mean we won? Are we the "True Final Shape?"
🤔
I think we're a version of the "Sword Logic" I honestly believe we'll get to the same place the Hive want to get to but we'll get there through entirely different means and actions, same end point nonetheless!
that last line hits hard as f
The Ergo Sum sword's existence is a direct answer to that last part, about us being "above death" and "the True Final Shape:"
No. Death is still an inevitability for us.
The Witness sorta had the answer to this. With everything finalized, all that was dead will stay dead, all that was alive will stay alive forever, winning the “game” and fitting the criteria the Winnower set simply by existing.
How that Final Shape life would be is described in the Euphony lore tab but you prob need a dictionary or a college professor to help out
In Unveiling, there is a section where the Winnower absolutely trashes the Witnesses nihilist views, which gave me a chuckle.
Cross running salvation edge with byf while he speaks on the raid lore sounds like the type you tube video, that would require popcorn
Yes! Let's get these boys together.
as a lore nerd myself, i love watching people grasping the big points of destiny's lore and losing their minds. its always so satisfying.
The Flower Game played by the Gardener and the Winnower plays with some true high philosophy variables. If anyone feels that, don't shame yourself for taking a videogame too seriously. It's not even about Destiny, if you read it right. The Unveiling Lorebook is more interesting than anything else in the Destiny story in my opinion. I'm not saying I believe they exist in real life, but in my opinion this is probably the most powerful metaphor I've ever read in fiction.
That being said Destiny is doing great, I love this game, and Bungie be cooking lately😏
I love destiny but its lore is a cringefest :)
@@nocontender6409 what ??
@@nocontender6409then you need to read more fiction, like seriously
It looked at the Gardner
It looked at its hands
It discovered the first
*lit cigarette*
One thing I love about this community is how much respect and love everyone has for the lore Masters.
When Byf got sick a couple months ago and he needed help to make his videos, the ENTIRE community rallied behind the content creators who stepped up to offer their voices to Byf. Even with their own crazy schedules and they all stated that it was both a privilege and honor to help him in his time of need.
And now here's Cross who immediately tells his chat and the viewers to go like, sub, comment and show some love to Byf.
Then at the end of the video after hearing that Byf needs to go through the raid and get more lore related loot, Cross, without a second thought goes and offers his assistance to get the man the info he needs.
Nothing but respect and admiration between these two, thank you both for what y'all do for the community!
Yeah he became BYF OF 100 VOICES
OMG Cross, I almost fell over when you said: "holy $#!t that's a stump!"😂😂😂
I don't think Elsie timeline hopping was ever actually explained, was it? Maybe that was actually the Gardener moving her in order to try and bring about the chain of events that eventually has life win and defy the final shape theory forever.
Or the Nine. Or Efrideet secret colony
I think Else's timeline hopping is derived from Vex tech. The lore tab from No Time To Explain talks about Clovis going into a Vex pod and retrieving the weapon from the future.
@ChaaDubaItsIidan in the lore tab where we actually see the switch happen, it didn't seem like it was intentional on her part. Almost like a groundhog day scenario. "Welp, the universe is beyond return at this point, time to reset."
The first knife ship should literally be the witness freeze framed into a T pose with the feet as the front of the ship, and the smoky head as the ship propulsion😂
People have blown The Winnower way out of proportions, it is not some grand villain pulling the strings as that was the Witness. The point of the Winnower is to *not* interfere in the game, if it does, the Gardener wins. The Witness is essentially the child of the Winnower but went against it, as its philosophes oppose the Winnower & its idea of The Final Shape is calcification, freezing everything, including "the game". The Witness isn't some follower, it does its own thing, even though it's The First Knife, nothing tells it what to do as It stated in the raid. The Winnower believes things will naturally go to TFS & it's philosophy is like the Sword Logic which the Witness pokes fun at in the campaign, Rhulk has dialogue in Preservation where he & the Witness tried to get the Hive away from that. The title from Salvation's Edge raid seal is "Iconoclast" which is someone who goes against beliefs or religions, which would be the Witness going against the Winnower.
& *if* the Winnower was a villain & isn't the Veil itself, that would be terrible for the narrative, it'd essentially be just restarting the Light & Dark saga. The Witness deserved to be the main villain, let it, so we can focus on stuff small & beyond the Light & Dark.
The Witness & the Winnower have opposing philosophes, it'd make no sense for the Witness to be a pawn & that'd be terrible anyway, TFS is the end of the story, it'd be terrible to go "AH GATCHA THERES A MASTERMIND BEHIND THE MASTERMIND"
ye exactly, people assume that we have to fight the winnower just because it caused the creation of the witness, but that's not true, and the raid lorebook makes it clear the winnower still doesn't feel the need to do anything, because in its eyes, its philosophy will be proven no matter what. also i wonder if the veil is the winnower, i mean it's all darkness, the precursors used it to become the witness and the winnower's main champion, and according to veil containment, maya sundaresh also tried to do the same thing...
@@dankerbellthat lore you're refeering to from the raid lore book is a fake/lie someone created (i know this because the full lore of that book was posted on r/DestinyLore). I also think the Veil is probably the Winnower
Yeah I don’t ever see him being a villain but more like the narrative team questioning their own games logic (paracausality, purpose etc) and to add a bit of order to the chaotic universe that is destiny
The winnower is akin to the gardener. It works the same way just opposing each others ideals. The winnower is most likely the veil just as the gardener is for the traveler.
We now know the traveler literally cannot speak to us thanks to ergo sum. It can give us tools at times but we have to choose how to use them, we have free will to guide us. The witness only happened because they found the veil after becoming dissolutioned with the traveler and the winnower/veil blessed them with the dark and the rest is history.
The witness was but the first knife the first piece moved in the great game. We have no idea where Bungie will take the narrative next because episodes isn't gonna be the end of destiny. Echoes is building towards a greater conflict in the future with the permanent alteration of the traveler.
@@loopygordo I know they said that in the cutscene but I see them (veil and traveller) more like the Jesus or Allah of the destiny universe where they are birthed by the gods and are a materialised version of the true being
Also why would a being that existed before time, be buried in a planet?
Can't wait to hear the lore! Going to watch Byf's first
Bro the silver tree stump i thought it was a wall the whole time man
22:54 Yes! Team up with Byf!!
I distinctly remember BYF going on about the flower game back in D1
nah
What a distinguished gentleman when he read " unvailing " 🧠
Had a theory brought up about the Traveler and Veil the other day on Byf's or Myelin's channel.
Take a look at the Veil. Behind the purple lava lamp are roots that seem to encase a spherical shape. It's not too odd to want to place the traveler inside those roots.
But the Traveler fled when the Precursors wanted to combine the two. Why? What would happen if the two entities combined? What benefit(s) does the Traveler see in not combining with the Veil? Maybe that the Gardener wins and the Winnower loses?
Basically, Traveler + Veil = Tree of Silver Wings. What the effects of recombination would be, we have no clue. Perhaps the annihilation of the universe as we know it, or a restart.
We are falling into the Winnower's hands. Playing the game it wants us to play. Prismatic is another step; wielding both Light and Dark at the same time. We are the shining example of its perfect logic. We are the Sword Logic incarnate; We are the Final Shape. Aiat MF!
I don't think you understand words
This is the nerdiest most cringe thing I’ve seen today
Agreed
@@ginosko_Entire destiny lore is a cringefest
@@ginosko_he’s got tex as his pfp. No way he can he cringe, right??
I don't think I'll ever get over just how damn good Brett Dalton did as The Witness, he sold the character perfectly. I'm honestly kinda bummed we might not see much more, if any, of The Witness, such a great and truly unsettling villain
It honestly boggles my mind that suddenly everyone is surprised that The Winnower/Darkness is real even though we've already had confirmation of that.
We’ve had confirmation that the darkness was real (obviously) but only now were we given true, undeniable evidence that the winnower/ the gardener/ the flower game is real.
I think it goes like this winnower>veil>witness and gardener>traveler>gaurdian
Yeah, I don't think the Winnower and Gardener are actually in the 'game' so to speak but put the pieces that represent them in it, i.e. Viel for Winnower and Traveler for Gardener.
@@urazz7739 yes exactly im not sure we will ever see the winnower or gardener in game but i think the veil and traveler were put into the galaxy to enact there will and further the flower game
I’m quite curious what’s coming next after the Light and Darkness saga, because I can’t imagine Destiny without it. Considering the two are fundamental laws of the universe and the manifestations of it's creators, I don’t see how anything can be more important
Light and Dark are tools/powers.
Traveler and the Veil are the conduits of said powers.
Gardener and Winnower are the cosmic Dieties of Destiny.
There are powers that are beyond light and dark, and there are many other worlds outside of Sol.
Savathun is teaching is how to do what the witness does. Which is to bend the rules of the "gods" to our will, our final shape. Thats what the Witness has done all by itself.
The Traveler made the ghosts, which IS the cheat code for the game of light vs dark.
All things that live MUST die. And the Traveler is denying death by giving immortality to guardians and those chosen by the light, i.e the Hive.
The Winnowwer is literally chilling. Wherever life breeds, death follows. That was the cycle of the game.
THe Witness also states it's origin in Excision again:
"We are the First Knife that caved Purpose into being!"
the traveler is reffered to as the gardener several times. This means the veil must be the winnower. Which makes sense because the progenitors used the veil to become the witness, they became its first knife.
I’ve been calling a stump “plateau” for so long
Here is a thought, Savathun is in this version of the game the inevitable shape that will become dominant above all, not her personally, but her ideology, which she has been working towards. Savathun sees the Winnower and the Gardener as two gods playing with the lives of those innocent inhabitants of this universe, and her final goal is to "kill" those gods and remove their influence all together.
I love this because it makes her a super compelling anti-hero. From her perspective, we're a bunch of whiny buffoons with no vision for what's truly at stake in the universe. Meanwhile she has a person gripe with being beholden to a higher power and her motivation makes perfect sense. She mocks us because she thinks we're idiots, and it makes perfect sense why she thinks that.
Dude, we(our guardian) have eliminated every single being that opposes us. We've been enacting the Winnower's final shape. We're probably the Winnower's favorite.
"Winnower" would be an entity that could never be killed. Only quelled. Like yin and yang, both are needed but both cannot exist without the other. This is getting juicy.
Byf is a wonderful lore channel. I've been following him for a while now
I knew it! The witness was just miniboss.
What if, by always running to save the Traveler, we are, in fact, becoming the first actual knife. Guardians this season have become more powerful than anything in the universe. This is why the Witness was trying to recruit us. We are more powerful than even him, which was achieved by being the strongest, lore wise Guardian in the galaxy. Our Guardian is referred to as "I pivked up that one Guardian you Vanguard keep talking about." (conversation between Amanda and Ikora in the Red War campaign).
Furthermore, it is stated in the Unraveling lore book that in the flower game, a dominant pattern always emerges. What if we are unknowingly playing right into the end game as being the dominant pattern that keeps coming up. Most Guardians do like to DPS with swords, and we did get the Ergo Sum recently. 😊. Maybe I'm just blowing smoke? Love your vids, Cross. Keep it up. ❤
Maybe the end goal with the winnowed isn’t to kill it, but rather to convince or prove to it what the gardener was saying, that while we (the guardians and sol system) aren’t the strongest the universe has ever known, but that we are still capable of making our own grand destiny in spite of that and accomplishing great things
The one who spoke to Oryx, said "Oryx MY friend". It said MY, not our but my. The Winnower was the one who spoke to Pryx.
every time we "solve" a problem its like a temporary bug patch
Greetings guardians! My name is Josue here. I remember a that in some lore it talked about someone More evil than Oryx, and that someone gave the power to Oryx.
i hope you watch his one on ergo sum, the more people that aware of the traveler as a character and its perspective on things, the better
Resume: So basically, compared to the MCU, Savathûn is Loki, the Witness is Thanos, The Taken/Tablets of ruin, Traveler and Veil are the Infinity Stones and Winnower an the gardener a celestials. I think...
the winnower says the gardener brought us (the guardian) to life and that it made a stand over earth, two things the traveler did so
@@dankerbell I still think that the traveler and the gardener are different things. Like the traveler, the moon/satellite and the gardener, the entity represented as the woman in white clothes and/or the eagle of concepts that somehow resides within the traveler. Which, in fact, is exactly the concept of the Eternals, the Celestial within the Earth.
The Winnower is the Veil, it isn't some grand villain manipulating things
@@U000415 Except there's multiple lines of dialog from different characters stating that the Traveler is the gardener
@@BrazarB feels really weird for the witness to imply the winnower is somehow out there somehow and it is just a knife of the winnowers, when it just used the veil as a tool to get inside the traveler.
I have been saying since WQ that it was the Winnower, not The Witness, that spoke to Oryx, but Byf, and all the lore casuals said it was the same thing now just because Savathun said "the same power as the Witness" but she never said he learned it from Witness.
Also, the Taken aligned with The Witness have slight visual vfx change since TFS dropped, where they have a reddish orange glow in their faces. Oryx Taken do not. Thus adding more credibility that it was the Winnower that granted Oryx his power. Oryx has been, and will remain my favorite villian, still steeped in mystery all these years later. Cannot wait to go to the Dreadnought in Heresy.
"What you call 'Light' is the limit of your evolution"- Oryx
This will be the plot of Destiny 3, the fight against the Winnower.
We basically in a game between two primordial beings with 2 different ideals 😭😭😭
I saw a theory that the Winnower is actually the veil and that kinda makes sense at first but when you think harder it makes less sense, because if it was then how come it took so long for the witness to find it if it was getting orders from it, and also if it is the winnower then why didn't it try to link itself or something like that, idk but im not sure I agree that the veil could be the winnower but there is a possibility and it does make (a little) sense.
This is actually terrifying to think about…. If the Witness is just one of the Winnower’s “knives”, then what does that say how powerful it actually is?
The bosses get scarier and scarier 😳
The wildest part of this video is how long that encounter in the exotic mission took to complete.
Matches against you in Crucible the other day, and it was a damn good match!
I mean at the end of the day, the Winnower has a point. All life flows back to the Final Shape. In us beating the Witness, we proved that we deserve to live. It’s like the mf proved a point…
The reactions of the Winnower when the Gardener suggested the new rule convinced me that the Winnower is not evil. In this particular dialogue, the Gardener seems more chaotic or evil than the Winnower because the Gardener doesn't seem to know exactly how this new rule will play out and makes both the Gardener and the Winnower part of the game that can cause more suffering. Maybe the Gardener feels soory for the live that is lost and want a rule change to make it perhaps eternal or something like that. Or the Gardener was simply bored, whatever the truth is, the Winnower really seems to be uncomfortable with everything and makes him very relateable. It's like back in your childhood if you play with your friend and the friends makes up new rules to annoy you because you win too often. This seems like this but on a universal scale. I don't know but the Gardener seems very irresponsible.
the Winnower represents death and the Gardener life.The Gardener new rule are ghosts that grant inmortality so from the Winnowers perspective this is cheating.
You maybe right about year 11. Coleman frontiers? Getting Star Trek vibes. Also the final cutscene when crow is telling you about the remaining threats in order…from savathun, Nessus, eramis and fikrul, ending with xivu. But then says the most worrying thing is the aurora coming from the traveler..maybe it grows and gets worse and we need to leave earth…leave sol..to new frontiers
Lol i lost it when he said "Morgan Freeman is out there."
I like to think that the Traveler is a created being, not the Gardener. Instead, it’s the piece the Gardener added to the Flower Game; hence, its lack of omnipotence (which I feel the Gardener and Winnower would have). Some folk I know say the Winnower is the Veil. I view it the same as the Traveler: a created being. When we talk of “gods,” we should think of something that doesn’t rely on anything else to exist. A god would be reliant on itself to be. When the Witness says “your Gardener,” I think it’s referring to the higher deities of the game’s universe.
Next raid has us organizing all of the raid symbols in chronological order to tell the story of destiny’s universe from start to finish
I think trying to kill the Winower is like trying to kill the idea of death
One question? If someone can answer thank you!
So... The Exotic Sword Ergo Sum? Is The Traveler(Or Gardener?) in the Lore description talking about it's "existence" to the point it has a "sword" and that sword is The Guardian?
Yeah I think the heirarchy rn is
Gardener/winnower-> traveller/veil-> witness/ guardian
@@Grassdia OOOOOH... Wait. By hierarchy?
Like Gardener/Traveler/Witness
And Winnower/Veil/Guardian.
Side by side? If so The Guardian doesn't have a purpose relating to the Gardener's side? Or we just don't have enough information where The Guardian plays a part in this "game?" Between the 2?
@@tngaming50 witness and guardian are the other way around mb
@@Grassdia Gotcha bro 💯
Dude we need to see a raid squad with Cross and Byf. Make it happen!
That taken subclass gonna go crazy
the booty bots beat me damn
So that's why the Traveler is a silent god.. cause is just a tool, not the Gardener itself.
That looks like the mountain in the movie Close Encounters lol
I feel like the end game or final shape is all ghosts cease to exist and all guardians die, everything resets.
If the first knife was the witness then the traveler is the "new rule/law" of the game.
Damn, The Traveler and the Darkness are gifts of the winnower and the gardener, basically.. and we are fighting a war that is simply a game for the Gods, that's some deep s***
evil can not exist without good, shadows dont exist without light and wise versa, life and death cannot exist without each other, everything in the universe in shaped in a circle one way or another, the final shape is a circle, the circle of life. lol i dk. but its a good thought thou. love these vids from byf with aztec, you guys need to hook up for some raid lore hunting
The winnower probably gonna be the very final antagonist in the series
Makes sense to me…. A good Gardner does what to the branches of the bushes?
If the winnowers the devil weve been fighting kaine as michaels supplicant. Theres something MUCH BIGGER going on
Bungie has been playing a game of chess and we have always been a few moves behind. The lore is so much deeper than people realise but only now are we getting some but not necessarily all the answers after 10 years
BAHAHAHAH I LOVE THE TAKE AWAY AZ, i too hope morgan freeman is joining the D2 verse
I'm saying it here 1st the power to take will be our 3rd darkness subclass
He's gonna get so many fireteam invites 🤣
This is cool but if not written well could be a problem. Its like them introducing the witness years into the story and saying hes the big bad all over again but now its the winnower. Still would be very interesting to see where light and dark originated from and what their end goal is.
If The Witness is a disciple, and the first disciple of the winnower, what if the speaker was a disciple of the traveler? The speaker wasn't the first after all. But what if we became the next disciple of the traveler?
I feel like the witness was maybe one of the 9 it makes sense, there 1 witness and 9 other of the nine and then there The Winnower and The Gardener. The 9 beings picking sides of what they want in the universe Good or Evil. it would make sense there warriors of the beings. The Witness and Xur, and others that we have not seen yet, let alone The Gardener and The Windower.
This is almost like Guts fighting against demons and then finding out about the God Hand
All this discussion just keeps making me think of the reapers from mass effect.
Get Byf run through that raid Cross! Let's carry thy Lore Lord!
Watching a youtube video of a guy on twitch watching a youtube video I've already watched. Nice
It is hard to find something less exciting than destiny lore
We need a Byf/Cross colab now
It would be nice if the overarching enemy is like a future or evil variant of us the player. Just spit balling for ideas of d3
It took Destiny's creators this long to get back to the lore? Sheesh........we who left when Destiny pivoted may just return now. I'm very happy to see this return.
In the lore text he said they put themselves in the game so tht mean the veil nd traveler are representions of cosmic beings.
Isnt it interesting that when the precursors and Maya Sunderesh approached the Veil, they came to a similar conclusion to merge many minds into one?
My theory is simple, the gardener and the winnower are cosmic beings/gods playing a chess game , the following are just some of the pieces, the witness,the traveler,the veil,orix, the nine,the vex and others im forgetting or not in the game yet, both the winnower and the gardener interfere in some ways like creating the Vail/ the creation of the witness and the traveler/the creation of the guardians.
You got me thinking there!
Hold on, it may just look like this….
The Gardener: “I got your Queen piece!”
The Winnower: “Agh! That was my favorite one!!”
(When the Guardian killed Oryx”.
The Winnower: “But guess what, I got a pawn to your base tiles, now I have a new Queen”.
(When the Guardian became a main interest for the Winnower).
The Witness: “Dad, this game sucks!”
The Winnower: “nah ah!
The Witness: “Ah ha! And I’m gonna glue your stupid pieces to the stupid board!”
The Gardener: “Kid, you lost your damn mind!? Chess pieces, get him!”
*the son is viciously torn to pieces by chess pieces*
(The events of the Final Shape).
So.... it's basically Lost? Black/White, Jacob/Smoke Monster....
Dude… what if the guardian is the final shape? What a paradox tho created by the traveler but becoming what the winower ultimately wants. The strongest being in the universe wielding both light and dark together and we’re wiping out everything that comes across our path so far too.
What if… we gained the power of the gardener to defeat the winnower and upon defeating the winnower we absorbed its power to coexist with the power of the Gardener in one entity? This would technically balance light and dark. Thoughts?
Curious if calus saw visions from the witness or the winnower.
To this day, I'm still wondering what the points of the pyramids was. They didn't have any aliens inside, nothing. So, what exactly was the point of all these pyramid ships and teasing them like they were going to bring an entire alien race with them?
My theory? The guardian is the outlier in the game between the Gardener and the Winnower. And its the Guardians destiny to unite them both and restore balance to the universe. Thus becoming legend.
Thats why we never lose. Thats why we unified both light and dark into one with prismatic. Thats why the vanguard has us do everything. And the Gardener knows this im sure. The Winnower is officially now taking us seriously and will be interacting with us for killing the Witness.
But it all makes sense. The Guardian is the final shape. The 1 piece on the board that neither God has true control over. We essentially enact the Sword logic everytime we win a battle.
Except we're not winning these battles to prove we're powerful, we're winning to prove that humanity has a role in the grand scheme of the universe. And that everyone has a right to live out their existence how they choose. And the only time power needs to be shown is in the face of adversity.
Even if you relate it to God and the Devil, God never interferes. Only provides the means. Its up to us to find our way. Whereas the Devil seeks to control. Manipulate. Change. He thinks he can control existence, but his downfall, and the Winnowers downfall, is that existence is not meant to be controlled or shaped by anyone other than the person granted the gift of existence.
And thats why we will become legend and restore balance to the universe. And end the game.
The Gardner and The Winnower have created the Traveler and the Witness. Both are opposites of the same coin. And both shall coexist with each other.
Now I want to start a petition to have Morgan freeman voice the winnower when we meet them. I would say the gardener but lore hits to them being female.
The lore from the raid is 🔥
What if there were many more travelers "seeds" the gardener sent out?
The winnower would just snuff us out just by sneezing on us lol.
Im starting to think that the gardener made both light and dark. What if the dark was the new rule, he mentions blights and cysts,both linked to darkness.
Gardener makes light= life dark=memory
Winnower makes the sword logic to rule them both.