"The Damage and Hybrid defense from Thunderbelt are minimal, you'll barely feel it without other defense items" FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES THAY TBELT SUCKS ASS AS A FIRST ITEM. So many people keep saying it gives them a lot of defense. If that was the case why do they die so much? I can't tell you how many games I've lost, just because I have an ally who overrates and builds tbelt
@@OldOrcaI agree on some heroes Tbelt is exceptional. But in other cases Tbelt would actually cause you to lose. A great example would be Hilda Vs Barats in the explane. I had my friend play Hilda with Domi ice, then the next 1v1, with Tbelt. Guess what? Domi ice Hilda won against me, Tbelt Hilda got stomped. Also, when it comes to Barats, his first item should be Guardian Helmet as it increases him dmg, and grants him out-of-combat healing, allowing him to remain at 10 stacks more consistently. He doesn't need Tbelt, he just does okay with tbelt
@@user-cp1ce5mu2vyeah it's nutty how many games it has won me when my explane counterpart buys it which meant delaying their core item. Core item means an item that's important enough in activating the hero's dmg btw
It's a more defensive item, so you and your clone don't get burst by the enemy. Most people build it first item to get stack early on, but for me, I buy it on my third item. The extra slow is good to chase the enemy or escape from the enemy
So if enemies are tanky like Treizela, Gato & Xborg/Ruby/Alpha or Minihster then what will be the Emblem set & items for built ? As per your recommendation, kindly help me..
As a top 10 global sun former and current, with 400+ stars as a sun spammer, my advice to all including amateur players is to build items according to your lineup, your game plan, and current status of your game and your gameplay. Dont limit yourself, and don't just follow the recommended build. If your team needs activity in early game buying tb is a good choice. Thunder belt is both atk and def item. Cuirass, domi and athena are def item. fyi tb + dragon spear is good for diving the back line. Hit n run style. Those movespeed matter. Again, build items accdg to the game.
People forget that the strength of Sun is also his weakness; the clones. You are as strong as your clones, once your clones are out, you're a walking minion with a full build that does nothing for you. So I guess TBelt is still somewhat reasonable because instead of wasting a slot for a def item, TBelt is a reasonable item to aid your defence along with your damage. It might be useless in higher ranks because mythic players generally tends to end the game early but if you want to and thinks that the game time will stretch, you can always buy the TBelt as the first or second item and stack up on the passive and be on the safe side than be sorry later on. PS you can always sell the TBelt and buy proper defence items if you think the game won't last very long and the enemy team is focused on pushing.
Build thunderbelt 1st then selling it after getting stacks is diabolical. We're not stupid to believe your baseless opinions. It's clear that you don't know anything about sun. Why not try it on sun first before so you're not just guessing if it's effective or not🥱
Bro Thunder belt is probably the only item you shouldn't be selling because you will lose your stacks 💀 If your planning to sell your defense item go for a second tear item like steel leg blade, mini version of antique currass, or silence rob
@@quotablelines832 Typical hard stuck epic ML player can't go a day without being toxic? How poor should your reading comprehension be to jump right to the conclusion that I said "sell the ThunderBelt" ? Read the last sentence again and draw a proper logical meaning out of it this time instead of being such a trash and toxic gatekeeper.
@@E.S.A.M.gaming To you too... have I written it too complicatedly for you little guys to catch the meaning behind my words? I said, if you think the enemies are going for an extreme early game i,e., ganking in groups and pushing turrets like hungry wolves, THEN, don't buy the TBelt or sell the low-tier items of TBelt and instead buy a proper defence because the passive of TBelt needs a proper late game to actually shine and be of any real use. Next time, try and not be some oversmart wannabes on the internet and make a joke out of yourselves guys.
@@quotablelines832 Typical hard stuck epic ML player can't go a day without being toxic? How poor should your reading comprehension be to jump right to the conclusion that I said "sell the ThunderBelt" ? Read the last sentence again and draw a proper logical meaning out of it this time instead of being such a trash and toxic gatekeeper.
I don't need thunderbelt for slow or damage, I need that so that nobody can one shot my real body and the movement speed is helpful for escape or attack
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, if all you want is to not get 1 shot, build an actual defense item instead. Such as antique or athena. Their passives will do more to protect you more than a thunderbelt at high stacks. And the dmg you get every 4s is just so minimal that its irrelevant. You will survive for longer with an actual defensive item, thus, dealing more dmg because you've survived longer.
2:40 CMIIW dominance ice is also a good option if your enemy rely on atk speed since it not only had an anti regen, but it also has a passive that decreases the attack speed of anyone attacking you.
Thunder belt for Sun is quite nutty as the purpose is not for damage it's usually for it's slow ability and hybrid defense stacks. With slow sun can have an easy time bursting Squishy hero's who are mobile and the hybrid defense helps him become more tanky and his clones stay alive longer dealing more damage and can aslo be helpful for sun to escape. I have a sun Build which you should try. 1. Thunder belt 2. Magic boots 3. Corrosion scythe 4. Windtalker 5. Haas claws 6. Berserkers Fury Pair this with assassin emblem, switft, Weapon master and Quantum charge along with petrify as the spell.
Thunderbelt gives more *UTILITY* that you guys underestimating. I use Sun with no Boots though, Assassin with Agility fill the mvmnt speed and put Thunderbelt as first item, the rest are attack items. Believe me, Thunderbelt saves my a$$ multiple times against burst mages and assassins. It also saves me when someone is chasing me. Not to mention all his clones can trigger Thunderbelt, it serves as 3x true damage when you use ultimate and 3rd skill.
The point is building thunderbelt means auto lose in the early game. And his 3rd skill has slow effects. Your focus will shift to stacking up rather than pushing.
@@ronoroazoro-u6kin that case it makes sense in building tb in losing matchups cuz u losing lane anyway maybe with that xtra def sun can survive and bring more utility than a underfarmed full dmg sun
@@lostsmile9492 That's why you should enhance your "reading comprehension" . Im using thunderbelt mainly for utility and the rest items are attack. And I never use boots, to give a free slot for Thunderbelt which means, I am still having 5 slots of attack items. Please focus on your study instead. Good day.
This new sun doesn’t need thunderbelt at all, let alone any defense. Hell you don’t really need to build attack speed that much. Bring petri and prioritize half atk speed half damage. He is like an assassin in late game now. He can easily pick off any squishy heroes
Yup His clones doesn't last in team fight and are only effective for targetlock Aoe heroes like xborg pharsa ruby that can hit all his clones counter him hard
Tbh I don't really like building sun thunderbelt so I usually go for brute force as my main defense item for most of my matches with him ,, you can actually stack it pretty easily Here's my build Corrosion sythe Wind stalker / DHS ( depends on the enemy line up ) War axe ( not ideal item for him so I also go for GDS if I go all out damage ) Brute force Athena / immortality
I disagree to ur opinion. Why? u may ask. Well it really depends on the game. Let me give you an example (pls don’t mind my English) If the enemies' has a lot of burst it would mean instantly delete ur sun's clones like Miya, Ixia, Harith etc. U might say well Ryo Yamada doesn’t build it and to that I say dude first of all your build depend on the match u can’t use the same thing every time and you’re not ryo yamada ur play style is different (mine atleast) and thunderbelt really help with that instant burst damage. Not only that ur damage is not that low either since u'll dealt a decent amount of damage with thunderbelt's passive and get this at 30 stacks you'll basically have another endless battle and a tank item. U might say sun's 3rd skill coldown is longer than before… And to that I say dude even before you don’t just go in whenever 3rd skill is available; you only go in whenever 1st and 2nd skill is available so it ain’t matter much. Feel free to ask any question I’ll gladly debate/answer it. Thank you.
@ I actually do I’m a multi-role player I have 67%/71 ranked matches this season I have 62%/11 matches I’m ranked game with sun being my 2nd most play hero and I've tried Ryo yamada's build a few game in gold, jungle, and exp and I can say that in exp or jungle make him more effective with thunderbelt while as in gold I tend to build more damage because I can usually snowball.
that I agree with you , I always build Thunderbelt first, never cared of the slow effect, I'm after is the true damage, since the clones can trigger it, if Slow effect is the problem then don't build Corrosion scythe, and it is depend on your playstyle I just 3rd skill and back away to gain stacks , I'm a patient and opportunistic fighter , need some small defense to sustain
You can just build sun with lifesteal items and buy rose gold meteor. The life steal from items and sun's clones merges with rose gold passive. So with lifesteal build sun can gain a lot of hybrid defence and damage.
😂 they keep justify the slow but I guess they don't read patch notes. Also I'd rather a defense item with a good passive like dom ice and athenas than something that only give hybrid defence. I guess they didn't watch ur video on sun😂
Movement speed is what makes thunder belt OP in my opinion, aside from perma defense stack. You can literally build no boots with it. Although its not logical you could buy sky piercer or just buy windtalker. Thunder belt is good item as a 3rd prio if you build it with boots.
Slow is just icing on the cake, the reason we use it on sun is because of the stackable Hybrid Defense and 20 Movement speed, with Thunderbelt and Wind Talker you can skip Boots and don't feel the drop in speed, Now thunder belt is better than ever because now we have a new Source of Hybrid Defense, Rose Gold Meteor, with RGM + DHS you get 20 ~ 28 Hybrid Defense and When you buy the Potion you get 15 More Hybrid Defense, unless you complete Dog shit in late game you easily get more than 100 Free Hybrid Defense which is Quite a lot for 2 items that give a lot of difficulty stats and Passive
I only used thunder belt because of that 100% total defense and making firmness ok to use considering how low that defense is making vitality better than firmness…yeah hope most of u knew this because I didn’t when they revamped the emblem system
Thunderbelt barely gives stacks when i use it on heros and when i get full stacks it doesn't look like i had a buff in my hero i was hoping a youtuber would post something about it and you did it i like how you inform people about this trashy item
Strongly disagree.. Thunderbelt is still extremely useful on Sun.. In 10-12 minutes I generally get around 18-30 stacks depending on how my team is performing.. And combined with just one other defense item.. Sun can do around 500-600 true damage in one hit with his clones.. And the movement speed is also very useful.. Combined with one other def item makes sun immune to all the one shot heroes like Eudora, Saber.. And his clones also survive a lot better in teamfights against area crowd control heroes.. The movement speed, survivability, slowdown and the burst damage thunderbelt provides from mid game more than makes up for one attack item..
This is why Sun could never used this equipment like Thunder Belt. Clones are keenly strong, you'll need ATK speed and Movement speed from the equipment.
Bro it's just commonsense if you know if it doesn't suit the situation. Thunderbelt is op against enemy with low mobility. You can stack up to 40 stacks per game and it's not bad cuz it gives you extra slow
I use both rose gold and tunderbelt for more defense i look the build normaly pros build atleast 85 att speed on sun so i made it with other items and its ok
I think it depends on the meta rotation in your region. In my server, junlgers really wanna rotate on that juicy xp crab. Sometimes they even clear a wave or two. So yeah, id rather get extra beefy. Cuz the meta is still the mid trio rotation. And xp lane is not the solo lane anymore, its a warzone.😢 And when xp lane stops being a warzone, your mm would wanna rotate to xp lane, and you have to move.💀
U need to build 2-3 more defense items for thunderbelt to fully work and if u do that,you'll lose damage. Its better to go full damage and maybe buy immortality or winter truncheon instead. Dont blindly copy others....u are not them and you'll lose.
Bro thunderbelt is useless because sun with petrify is op, it can one shot squishies with no counterplay late game, ye you can die after that combo if your target have a teammate beside it but it is minus 1 from the enemy team, i encountered one and he tower dived me in the base, i can't even use wind chant because i got petrified so fast, sun op with full dmg
Hmm when RGM got buff i think it would fair trade to change thunderbelt into RGM [since it have hybrid defence based amount lifesteal we have but can provide till 50% lifesteal] i get it ppl gotta say "would be getting better to combine it instead becuz the more Hybrid defence the better stack and true damage Thunderbelt right?" Ofc it's true but it would wasted your dps and split push strats + sun is aspd dps so better good to using RGM + DHS or Haas claw [
well i disagree, right now i already played sun in 203 matches with 71% of winrate, sun is strong because of his clone, well u got a point where now sun can be stronger in the early game with damage item but when in mid to late game your clone will be easily got burst, i still build tbelt because of the item still give some damage it means the items is an offensive item, please try my build then read my opinion again, Custom tank emblem Talent - Swift - Seasoned Hunter (if u go jungle if not go for Tenacity) - Concussive Blast Item : - TBlet - Swift Boots / Warrior Boots depends on enemy - Corrosion Schyte - Cursed Helmet - Dominance Ice - Guardian Helmet his high HP make concussive blast deals massive amount of damage, his clone can trigger the passive of cursed helmet and Tbelt, with this build i can burst mage and marksman without getting lethal damage and still can participate in war much much longer than using damage built which makes his playstyle into hit and run. This built make sun into a deadly tanky fighter which have a lot of positive side, remember that his clone is regenerating HP for the real Sun. please try this build and read again this comment like if u agree with my opinion if you disagree reply this comment and lets discuss it further
is this how you always build Sun when you got that wr? what rank have you reached? tank build is interesting to me as a fighter main since i usually use sustain heroes. hit and run is just too boring for me lol. lololol i just tried it and once i got like 4 items, my clones were hilariously tanky. epic comeback even with an intentional feeding teammate lmao
Well although thunderbolt got adjusted but it is still useful if you build sun I'm burst typer like thunder belt,blade of hepatitis, endless battle, bod and hunter strike for killing squishy heroes
@Yujin_ml O no I build thunder belt after blade of hepatitis because sun third skill is considered as basic attack and his clones can also benefit it so after boots I build blade of hepatitis then thunder belt
@@devvv4616 sun's 3 skill is now stronger and his clones also gets it's effect of it I mainly use it for bursting down strong late game mm like miya moskove natan and some mage with hight burst like nana vexana vale and some pure assassin in late game
the only hero that can actually utilize the thunderbelt is hylos, other than that, i don't think tb is worth it to buy at all, esp for roamer tanks who take a lot of time to get their build, instead go buy early def items so you can protect that feeding layla :(
It's not about damage, depends on your gameplay dude. Idk why it's just commonsense if you can spam your skill 3 and you can chase enemy, you can stack up to 40 stacks per game. It's about extra slow and yes you can't be bursted easily with thunderbelt. Idk but sounds like skill issue to me. It's just commonsense if you know that if it doesn't suit the situation like when your heroes has good mobility🤷
Is trinity build still good for Sun? I do like pushing turrets with his clones, and at the same time crit build is good for team fights and picking off enemies, please someone tell me if trinity build is still good to build on Sun
Bro is yapping. Bro is like: ZyLong is strong early game like no? He isnt? Thunderbelt is too op late game when you have the stacks. Sun is useless early anyway. Wait for the BFBP revamp. If it happens, full defense with bfbp will become meta. Otherwise build dhs, rose gold and endless and you should have enough defense.
Can sun use tank build bc there is a bug that sun clones can use the same battle spell like vengeance or revitalise to support allies or tank damage I choose revitalise to heal fast with sun clone
So anyone now make a video and share his opinion as a professional opinion 🫠just to be clear, i do agree that Tbelt is not essential for sun but why? Because Rose gold meteor is now crazy good for fighters with lifesteal. Tbh im not a sun player but saying Tbelt is bad cause the hybrid def is minimal is ridiculous, try hero that join team fightes alot and use basic attacks alot (only basic attacks stacks Tbelt) and you will get good stacks and see Tbelt true power
I Play him always this way: Full CD Max Movespeed Bruser atkspeed / Only Tank Item i Play IS Dominance ON him with Weakness finder OP its Like having Double Dominance xD
I disagree I can attack large groups quick attack and get away with out being one shot I can build one defence item instead of 2 what’s not to like about thunderbelt.
@ I have tried bro I just find him to squishy and your forgetting the movement speed it offers to sun can be very evasive if built correctly I am unkillable
@@Yujin_mli dont think he is wrong bro i build thunderbelt when i am winning and get 35 stack in 14 min and when i am loosing i just dont but thunderbelt easy
@@E.S.A.M.gaming Solid my a$$. He's useless in teamfights. Hardly a B tier in my book. You can use him if you want. I wont call him a troll pick. But there are just much better options.
Yeah guardian helmet is leagues better. Out of combat healing means less time going to base, which means more time farming/ganking. But Lifesteal items could work in place of Guardian Helmet. Maybe Rosegold for example?
Nah its situational and depends on your playstyle Sun is not a dive hero but a poker and initiator I build tbelt if the enemy has burst jungler/assassin like gusion/karina and burst MM like clint/bruno/lesley/miya/layla Those stacks help me a lot in the 10-12 minute mark
How do i fight sun he's too overpowered and annoying to fight, even hero lock mode won't help you, cos he can always disrupt it making you having to press it again but health won't be keeping up
Not really, I use the Sun as a semi hybrid sun 80wr 100+ matches I only played solo Cd boots(tough boots) Corro Scythe Thunderbelt Dominance or (Brute Force) Dhs Rose gold Assassin emblem : Inspire Seasonal Hunter Weakness Finder/Quantum I used mostly Sun as a jungler and I don't copy most of the builds from recommend That build is damage but can also Sustain.
Аааа ну если второй навык теперь замедление даёт то thunder belt теперь можно не собирать, ахахаххаха какой же бред, открою для тебя секрет но этот предмет не для замедления собирали
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"The Damage and Hybrid defense from Thunderbelt are minimal, you'll barely feel it without other defense items" FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES THAY TBELT SUCKS ASS AS A FIRST ITEM. So many people keep saying it gives them a lot of defense. If that was the case why do they die so much? I can't tell you how many games I've lost, just because I have an ally who overrates and builds tbelt
thunderbelt is nutty though
Build thunderbelt in barats he can get 5 stack at once
I have gotten 200 stacks with him
Thunder belt is 1st item because you need to stack it
@@OldOrcaI agree on some heroes Tbelt is exceptional. But in other cases Tbelt would actually cause you to lose. A great example would be Hilda Vs Barats in the explane. I had my friend play Hilda with Domi ice, then the next 1v1, with Tbelt. Guess what? Domi ice Hilda won against me, Tbelt Hilda got stomped.
Also, when it comes to Barats, his first item should be Guardian Helmet as it increases him dmg, and grants him out-of-combat healing, allowing him to remain at 10 stacks more consistently. He doesn't need Tbelt, he just does okay with tbelt
@@user-cp1ce5mu2vyeah it's nutty how many games it has won me when my explane counterpart buys it which meant delaying their core item. Core item means an item that's important enough in activating the hero's dmg btw
@@SmurfMLacc-e9d it's a 1v1
It's a more defensive item, so you and your clone don't get burst by the enemy. Most people build it first item to get stack early on, but for me, I buy it on my third item. The extra slow is good to chase the enemy or escape from the enemy
The healing passive is enough for sun trust me thunder belt sucks war axe is better
So if enemies are tanky like Treizela, Gato & Xborg/Ruby/Alpha or Minihster then what will be the Emblem set & items for built ? As per your recommendation, kindly help me..
@@anabelleaca5257 Why war axe? Isn't Sun is basic attack hero?
Just dont build thunder belt. Thunderbelt sucks for lategame heroes. Build TB who can get stacks on early game.
As a top 10 global sun former and current, with 400+ stars as a sun spammer, my advice to all including amateur players is to build items according to your lineup, your game plan, and current status of your game and your gameplay. Dont limit yourself, and don't just follow the recommended build. If your team needs activity in early game buying tb is a good choice. Thunder belt is both atk and def item. Cuirass, domi and athena are def item. fyi tb + dragon spear is good for diving the back line. Hit n run style. Those movespeed matter. Again, build items accdg to the game.
Finally, I see someone with brain.
People forget that the strength of Sun is also his weakness; the clones. You are as strong as your clones, once your clones are out, you're a walking minion with a full build that does nothing for you. So I guess TBelt is still somewhat reasonable because instead of wasting a slot for a def item, TBelt is a reasonable item to aid your defence along with your damage. It might be useless in higher ranks because mythic players generally tends to end the game early but if you want to and thinks that the game time will stretch, you can always buy the TBelt as the first or second item and stack up on the passive and be on the safe side than be sorry later on. PS you can always sell the TBelt and buy proper defence items if you think the game won't last very long and the enemy team is focused on pushing.
Build thunderbelt 1st then selling it after getting stacks is diabolical. We're not stupid to believe your baseless opinions. It's clear that you don't know anything about sun. Why not try it on sun first before so you're not just guessing if it's effective or not🥱
Bro Thunder belt is probably the only item you shouldn't be selling because you will lose your stacks 💀
If your planning to sell your defense item go for a second tear item like steel leg blade, mini version of antique currass, or silence rob
@@quotablelines832 Typical hard stuck epic ML player can't go a day without being toxic? How poor should your reading comprehension be to jump right to the conclusion that I said "sell the ThunderBelt" ? Read the last sentence again and draw a proper logical meaning out of it this time instead of being such a trash and toxic gatekeeper.
@@E.S.A.M.gaming To you too... have I written it too complicatedly for you little guys to catch the meaning behind my words? I said, if you think the enemies are going for an extreme early game i,e., ganking in groups and pushing turrets like hungry wolves, THEN, don't buy the TBelt or sell the low-tier items of TBelt and instead buy a proper defence because the passive of TBelt needs a proper late game to actually shine and be of any real use.
Next time, try and not be some oversmart wannabes on the internet and make a joke out of yourselves guys.
@@quotablelines832 Typical hard stuck epic ML player can't go a day without being toxic? How poor should your reading comprehension be to jump right to the conclusion that I said "sell the ThunderBelt" ? Read the last sentence again and draw a proper logical meaning out of it this time instead of being such a trash and toxic gatekeeper.
I don't need thunderbelt for slow or damage, I need that so that nobody can one shot my real body and the movement speed is helpful for escape or attack
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, if all you want is to not get 1 shot, build an actual defense item instead. Such as antique or athena. Their passives will do more to protect you more than a thunderbelt at high stacks. And the dmg you get every 4s is just so minimal that its irrelevant. You will survive for longer with an actual defensive item, thus, dealing more dmg because you've survived longer.
@@alsparkproductions7849Nah the mov speed is enough for me to get it, it allows you to sell your boot late game
2:40 CMIIW dominance ice is also a good option if your enemy rely on atk speed since it not only had an anti regen, but it also has a passive that decreases the attack speed of anyone attacking you.
Never thought zilong and strong in early game can be in the same sentence 😂
With his recent adjustment of higher dmg for 50% hp lower , i could say he's good at poking at the enemy ofc if it's 1 v 1
He is damn good now in exp lane,does some insane dmg
Zilong is even stronger than argus with ult in early. Thats sucks.
His good at early now even with his passive making him sustain in lane.
@@TheCyllY1 i would say he is even the strongest exp right now. He only needs one critical item to just eat enemy. He is really strong now.
I actually prefer building brute breastplate instead of thunderbelt! Thanks for the in-depth explaining on thunderbelt.
Before finishing the video, my answer is I don’t
1. Skill 3 longer cooldown
2. Delays sun scaling cause you spend gold build a defense item
yeah i was trying to tell my friend that but he wouldn't believe me cause the game reccomended the Thunderbelt for Sun
Thunder belt for Sun is quite nutty as the purpose is not for damage it's usually for it's slow ability and hybrid defense stacks. With slow sun can have an easy time bursting Squishy hero's who are mobile and the hybrid defense helps him become more tanky and his clones stay alive longer dealing more damage and can aslo be helpful for sun to escape. I have a sun Build which you should try.
1. Thunder belt
2. Magic boots
3. Corrosion scythe
4. Windtalker
5. Haas claws
6. Berserkers Fury
Pair this with assassin emblem, switft, Weapon master and Quantum charge along with petrify as the spell.
Thunderbelt gives more *UTILITY* that you guys underestimating. I use Sun with no Boots though,
Assassin with Agility fill the mvmnt speed and put Thunderbelt as first item, the rest are attack items.
Believe me, Thunderbelt saves my a$$ multiple times against burst mages and assassins.
It also saves me when someone is chasing me.
Not to mention all his clones can trigger Thunderbelt, it serves as 3x true damage when you use ultimate and 3rd skill.
The point is building thunderbelt means auto lose in the early game. And his 3rd skill has slow effects. Your focus will shift to stacking up rather than pushing.
@@ronoroazoro-u6kin that case it makes sense in building tb in losing matchups cuz u losing lane anyway maybe with that xtra def sun can survive and bring more utility than a underfarmed full dmg sun
@@grimlord5113 You also don't get the point. Building damage items is not auto lose. What do u mean losing anyway? 😃
You all overrating thunderbelt for damage Heroes
@@lostsmile9492 That's why you should enhance your "reading comprehension" .
Im using thunderbelt mainly for utility and the rest items are attack.
And I never use boots, to give a free slot for Thunderbelt which means, I am still having 5 slots of attack items.
Please focus on your study instead.
Good day.
This new sun doesn’t need thunderbelt at all, let alone any defense.
Hell you don’t really need to build attack speed that much. Bring petri and prioritize half atk speed half damage. He is like an assassin in late game now. He can easily pick off any squishy heroes
Yup
His clones doesn't last in team fight and are only effective for targetlock
Aoe heroes like xborg pharsa ruby that can hit all his clones counter him hard
Tbh I don't really like building sun thunderbelt so I usually go for brute force as my main defense item for most of my matches with him ,, you can actually stack it pretty easily
Here's my build
Corrosion sythe
Wind stalker / DHS ( depends on the enemy line up )
War axe ( not ideal item for him so I also go for GDS if I go all out damage )
Brute force
Athena / immortality
I disagree to ur opinion. Why? u may ask. Well it really depends on the game. Let me give you an example (pls don’t mind my English)
If the enemies' has a lot of burst it would mean instantly delete ur sun's clones like Miya, Ixia, Harith etc.
U might say well Ryo Yamada doesn’t build it and to that I say dude first of all your build depend on the match u can’t use the same thing every time and you’re not ryo yamada ur play style is different (mine atleast) and thunderbelt really help with that instant burst damage. Not only that ur damage is not that low either since u'll dealt a decent amount of damage with thunderbelt's passive and get this at 30 stacks you'll basically have another endless battle and a tank item.
U might say sun's 3rd skill coldown is longer than before… And to that I say dude even before you don’t just go in whenever 3rd skill is available; you only go in whenever 1st and 2nd skill is available so it ain’t matter much.
Feel free to ask any question I’ll gladly debate/answer it.
Thank you.
You're speaking from experience? I think not
@ I actually do I’m a multi-role player I have 67%/71 ranked matches this season I have 62%/11 matches I’m ranked game with sun being my 2nd most play hero and I've tried Ryo yamada's build a few game in gold, jungle, and exp and I can say that in exp or jungle make him more effective with thunderbelt while as in gold I tend to build more damage because I can usually snowball.
Damn.. finally someone with the truth instead of dickriding
that I agree with you , I always build Thunderbelt first, never cared of the slow effect, I'm after is the true damage, since the clones can trigger it, if Slow effect is the problem then don't build Corrosion scythe, and it is depend on your playstyle I just 3rd skill and back away to gain stacks , I'm a patient and opportunistic fighter , need some small defense to sustain
@@lostsmile9492 yeah , he is speaking from Experience, since I experienced it too
You can just build sun with lifesteal items and buy rose gold meteor. The life steal from items and sun's clones merges with rose gold passive. So with lifesteal build sun can gain a lot of hybrid defence and damage.
You're spilling secrets my man.
i build it for good movement. 20 movement speed and the slow on the 3rd skill is really nice for escaping
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Blasphemy to the thunder belt cult!
😂 they keep justify the slow but I guess they don't read patch notes. Also I'd rather a defense item with a good passive like dom ice and athenas than something that only give hybrid defence. I guess they didn't watch ur video on sun😂
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Movement speed is what makes thunder belt OP in my opinion, aside from perma defense stack. You can literally build no boots with it. Although its not logical you could buy sky piercer or just buy windtalker. Thunder belt is good item as a 3rd prio if you build it with boots.
Slow is just icing on the cake, the reason we use it on sun is because of the stackable Hybrid Defense and 20 Movement speed, with Thunderbelt and Wind Talker you can skip Boots and don't feel the drop in speed,
Now thunder belt is better than ever because now we have a new Source of Hybrid Defense, Rose Gold Meteor, with RGM + DHS you get 20 ~ 28 Hybrid Defense and When you buy the Potion you get 15 More Hybrid Defense, unless you complete Dog shit in late game you easily get more than 100 Free Hybrid Defense which is Quite a lot for 2 items that give a lot of difficulty stats and Passive
Tips:
•Don't Let The Enemy Kills The Clone On Early Game Otherwise They Gain More Exp And Gold
Idk why people fail to realize that fighting against sun full dmg build is much..... much easier to deal with compared than a sun hybrid build. 🤷
I would still use it. Since most meta heroes right now are tanky. It sometimes should vary with the line up of the opposite enemy team.
If u need defense in early game against strong laners is brute force a viable option????
I aggree and i also uploaded sun gameplay without thunderbelt. But as a jungler . Lets collab someday yujin kun 👻👻👻
Hi bro I have been watching your videos for a long time n you're very entertaining keep making videos bro❤
I only used thunder belt because of that 100% total defense and making firmness ok to use considering how low that defense is making vitality better than firmness…yeah hope most of u knew this because I didn’t when they revamped the emblem system
Thunderbelt barely gives stacks when i use it on heros and when i get full stacks it doesn't look like i had a buff in my hero i was hoping a youtuber would post something about it and you did it i like how you inform people about this trashy item
be patient
Buddy watch m6 almost every exp laner took tb first item there is a reason its picked
Strongly disagree.. Thunderbelt is still extremely useful on Sun.. In 10-12 minutes I generally get around 18-30 stacks depending on how my team is performing.. And combined with just one other defense item.. Sun can do around 500-600 true damage in one hit with his clones.. And the movement speed is also very useful.. Combined with one other def item makes sun immune to all the one shot heroes like Eudora, Saber.. And his clones also survive a lot better in teamfights against area crowd control heroes.. The movement speed, survivability, slowdown and the burst damage thunderbelt provides from mid game more than makes up for one attack item..
This is why Sun could never used this equipment like Thunder Belt. Clones are keenly strong, you'll need ATK speed and Movement speed from the equipment.
Bro it's just commonsense if you know if it doesn't suit the situation. Thunderbelt is op against enemy with low mobility. You can stack up to 40 stacks per game and it's not bad cuz it gives you extra slow
I use both rose gold and tunderbelt for more defense i look the build normaly pros build atleast 85 att speed on sun so i made it with other items and its ok
Big fan bro keep up uploading more vids and tips to be pro
I think it depends on the meta rotation in your region. In my server, junlgers really wanna rotate on that juicy xp crab. Sometimes they even clear a wave or two. So yeah, id rather get extra beefy. Cuz the meta is still the mid trio rotation. And xp lane is not the solo lane anymore, its a warzone.😢 And when xp lane stops being a warzone, your mm would wanna rotate to xp lane, and you have to move.💀
I used yin with thunder belt and have no problem defeating tanky heroes
Come to think of it, yin gets a lot of hybrid def when ulting, and that powers up tbelt passive dmg, so that is quite nice
@smellslikeanvil9257 I usually use thunderbelt so that I can fight even with normal form
I really love this guys content bro spiting facts in every vid no lies
Dont build thunderbelt ❌
Have Helcurt gank your lane everytime ✅
me when the roam does his job:
no seriously what is hc supposed to do sit there in the bush????
I salute you for your transparency and that you accept yourself as a toxic player 🫡
Haha as a sun main thunderbelt is the best item you can try Tank build with corrosion scythe and focus on team fight and not split push
Actually, Thunderbelt is still usable, but it is my 2nd or 3rd item. Usually, my first item is corrosion scythe
U need to build 2-3 more defense items for thunderbelt to fully work and if u do that,you'll lose damage.
Its better to go full damage and maybe buy immortality or winter truncheon instead.
Dont blindly copy others....u are not them and you'll lose.
Bro thunderbelt is useless because sun with petrify is op, it can one shot squishies with no counterplay late game, ye you can die after that combo if your target have a teammate beside it but it is minus 1 from the enemy team, i encountered one and he tower dived me in the base, i can't even use wind chant because i got petrified so fast, sun op with full dmg
Hmm when RGM got buff i think it would fair trade to change thunderbelt into RGM [since it have hybrid defence based amount lifesteal we have but can provide till 50% lifesteal] i get it ppl gotta say "would be getting better to combine it instead becuz the more Hybrid defence the better stack and true damage Thunderbelt right?" Ofc it's true but it would wasted your dps and split push strats + sun is aspd dps so better good to using RGM + DHS or Haas claw [
Big fan, subbed early, what do you use to edit yours vids
well i disagree, right now i already played sun in 203 matches with 71% of winrate, sun is strong because of his clone, well u got a point where now sun can be stronger in the early game with damage item but when in mid to late game your clone will be easily got burst, i still build tbelt because of the item still give some damage it means the items is an offensive item, please try my build then read my opinion again,
Custom tank emblem
Talent
- Swift
- Seasoned Hunter (if u go jungle if not go for Tenacity)
- Concussive Blast
Item :
- TBlet
- Swift Boots / Warrior Boots depends on enemy
- Corrosion Schyte
- Cursed Helmet
- Dominance Ice
- Guardian Helmet
his high HP make concussive blast deals massive amount of damage, his clone can trigger the passive of cursed helmet and Tbelt, with this build i can burst mage and marksman without getting lethal damage and still can participate in war much much longer than using damage built which makes his playstyle into hit and run. This built make sun into a deadly tanky fighter which have a lot of positive side, remember that his clone is regenerating HP for the real Sun.
please try this build and read again this comment like if u agree with my opinion if you disagree reply this comment and lets discuss it further
is this how you always build Sun when you got that wr? what rank have you reached? tank build is interesting to me as a fighter main since i usually use sustain heroes. hit and run is just too boring for me lol.
lololol i just tried it and once i got like 4 items, my clones were hilariously tanky. epic comeback even with an intentional feeding teammate lmao
@devvv4616 glory 65 stars i don't have much time to play game tho, i play only 5 match a day
My current Build is CS, DHS, Rose Gold, Haas Claws, Anti Heal depends, After that Edless or Malefic Gun or Winter Crown or Immortality or Great Dragon
Well although thunderbolt got adjusted but it is still useful if you build sun I'm burst typer like thunder belt,blade of hepatitis, endless battle, bod and hunter strike for killing squishy heroes
Try not to build thunderbelt 1st then comeback here.
@Yujin_ml O no I build thunder belt after blade of hepatitis because sun third skill is considered as basic attack and his clones can also benefit it so after boots I build blade of hepatitis then thunder belt
blade of hepatitis lmaooo
@@devvv4616 sun's 3 skill is now stronger and his clones also gets it's effect of it I mainly use it for bursting down strong late game mm like miya moskove natan and some mage with hight burst like nana vexana vale and some pure assassin in late game
U live in the Philippines yujin kun?
the only hero that can actually utilize the thunderbelt is hylos, other than that, i don't think tb is worth it to buy at all, esp for roamer tanks who take a lot of time to get their build, instead go buy early def items so you can protect that feeding layla :(
It's not about damage, depends on your gameplay dude. Idk why it's just commonsense if you can spam your skill 3 and you can chase enemy, you can stack up to 40 stacks per game. It's about extra slow and yes you can't be bursted easily with thunderbelt. Idk but sounds like skill issue to me. It's just commonsense if you know that if it doesn't suit the situation like when your heroes has good mobility🤷
thunderbelt is trash item for non-defense build period, no matter what hero you use
Is trinity build still good for Sun? I do like pushing turrets with his clones, and at the same time crit build is good for team fights and picking off enemies, please someone tell me if trinity build is still good to build on Sun
I use Trinity against thick line up Crit for soft line ups.
-Corrosion scythe
-Windtalker
-Thunderbelt
-Great dragon spear
-Dominance ice
-Immortality
Remove immortality use dhs
@@suryanshyadav289 that a great suggestion
hehe thnx man for great advice ❤
Thunderbolt is good if your struggling to snowball
Bro is yapping. Bro is like: ZyLong is strong early game like no? He isnt? Thunderbelt is too op late game when you have the stacks. Sun is useless early anyway.
Wait for the BFBP revamp. If it happens, full defense with bfbp will become meta. Otherwise build dhs, rose gold and endless and you should have enough defense.
You're the one who's yapping , losing to the enemy during early - mid game is really crucial
@BaeYeonSate. Then don't use late game heroes. That is right. Sun is not early games heroes
Can sun use tank build bc there is a bug that sun clones can use the same battle spell like vengeance or revitalise to support allies or tank damage I choose revitalise to heal fast with sun clone
I believe using endless battle is better with the new rose gold
What's your full build?
Is war axe and hass claw good on sun
I love your video pls keep posting more 😊😊😍😍😈😈
I was wondering if u use revitalize will the clones use it tooo?
no
It's only Visual
idk man in magic chess yes
@@rajkumariranjana7619 you got the Magic Chess Vibes Bro. We are same here, pretty sad they don't implement that in Rank Games
@rzr-kamalxiiagm1646 it would be op bro if that was true it would be unbalanced legends bang bang
revitalize also has a short cd
Just build the cooldown reduction
What about rose gold meteor
So anyone now make a video and share his opinion as a professional opinion 🫠just to be clear, i do agree that Tbelt is not essential for sun but why? Because Rose gold meteor is now crazy good for fighters with lifesteal. Tbh im not a sun player but saying Tbelt is bad cause the hybrid def is minimal is ridiculous, try hero that join team fightes alot and use basic attacks alot (only basic attacks stacks Tbelt) and you will get good stacks and see Tbelt true power
Step 1- Don’t try sun
I Play him always this way: Full CD Max Movespeed Bruser atkspeed / Only Tank Item i Play IS Dominance ON him with Weakness finder OP its Like having Double Dominance xD
I disagree I can attack large groups quick attack and get away with out being one shot I can build one defence item instead of 2 what’s not to like about thunderbelt.
If you didn't try sun with no thunderbelt yet, why would you listen to me, right?
@ I have tried bro I just find him to squishy and your forgetting the movement speed it offers to sun can be very evasive if built correctly I am unkillable
Tank build sun can use it
Wait if you won the game in 8-10 mins then why don't you use Sun more?
I'm using sun a lot more this season. But my 1st option is lukas. 2nd is sun. 3rd is whatever hero
I don't build thunder belt but rose gold meteor or immortality
Not really a bad item I use it all the time and it's great
Bro pls Play with me also🗿🤙🏻🤙🏻
dont listen to this low rank bs just build it when needed
Okay bro. We will listen to you. ALL HAIL FOR CHOCOMII🙏🙏🙏
Jk😂😂😂😂
@@Yujin_mli dont think he is wrong bro i build thunderbelt when i am winning and get 35 stack in 14 min and when i am loosing i just dont but thunderbelt easy
I build blade of heptaseas and use impure rage on sun cause i got bored of meta build and play stupid build because its funnier
Bro really hated layla. You always kill her in almost all your videos 😂
Can anyone tell me how to deal with sun I find very difficult after the update😢
Heroes with AOE
Day 4 requesting Yujin kun to play Leomord as Goldlane
Dont expose this, I had fun bullying mm with this shit lol
@@walangaccount8984Me too lol
Play harith he is also good though
Is sun a good jungler?
No
No but if u are in low elo u can go for it and 1v9
He is a solid jungler don't listen to them specially after the buff also not bad in SoloQ because he can push towrs quickly
@@E.S.A.M.gaming Solid my a$$. He's useless in teamfights. Hardly a B tier in my book. You can use him if you want. I wont call him a troll pick. But there are just much better options.
Play him gold lane
I build guardian helmet
Yeah guardian helmet is leagues better. Out of combat healing means less time going to base, which means more time farming/ganking. But Lifesteal items could work in place of Guardian Helmet. Maybe Rosegold for example?
Nah its situational and depends on your playstyle
Sun is not a dive hero but a poker and initiator
I build tbelt if the enemy has burst jungler/assassin like gusion/karina and burst MM like clint/bruno/lesley/miya/layla
Those stacks help me a lot in the 10-12 minute mark
How do i fight sun he's too overpowered and annoying to fight, even hero lock mode won't help you, cos he can always disrupt it making you having to press it again but health won't be keeping up
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Not really, I use the Sun as a semi hybrid sun
80wr 100+ matches I only played solo
Cd boots(tough boots)
Corro Scythe
Thunderbelt
Dominance or (Brute Force)
Dhs
Rose gold
Assassin emblem :
Inspire
Seasonal Hunter
Weakness Finder/Quantum
I used mostly Sun as a jungler and I don't copy most of the builds from recommend
That build is damage but can also Sustain.
This hero made me reach mythical glory in 90-100 matches and also 100 star on my 2 smurf accounts
Buddy same bro just same build but not dommion ice
I think windstalker must
Without thunderbelt the mv speed feels so slow
corrosion sycthe , windtalker and dragon spear gives u so much mov speed
What faf_911 said. + Agility talent provides so much movement speed, compared to thrill's attack increase. It's about build optimization
@@faf_911 I use all those build plus belt with assn emblem agility/swift weapon master/seasoned hunter and killing spree/quantum/Weakness finder
Аааа ну если второй навык теперь замедление даёт то thunder belt теперь можно не собирать, ахахаххаха какой же бред, открою для тебя секрет но этот предмет не для замедления собирали