I’ve flown helicopters across active runways at Heathrow ,London. The essential question here is why the helicopter climbed above the maximum permitted height of 200 feet.
Both Looking out the widow instead of one looking at the guages. I think they mistook a plane that was taking off for the landing plane but never seen it.
Malfunctioning radar altitude indicator and or set. Perhaps combined with incorrectle set QNH (US uses QNH and almost never QFE). Light polution playing tricks with visual ques. D.C. airspace is among most densest in CONUS. UH-60/MH-60/VH-60 are flown with two man crews. One of which wears NVG at night. Other maintains natural MK1 night vision. The co-pilot works the comms, fuel, and nav. Both Co-pilot and crew chief also act as eyes of pilot to maintain SA in busy environment.
Look at the tasks on the pilot flying. While attempting to fly a narrow corridor in the dark, flying an extremely complex aircraft in congested airspace, right next to a restricted flight area protecting the nation’s capitol, while being monitored by an instructor/evaluator…all while trying to maintain an altitude of 200-feet. Oh yeah, flying 200-feet above a dark river at night is no easy task. Then the air traffic controller grants the pilot the responsibility of monitoring an aircraft landing near his location with a dangerously similar altitude and the other aircraft is flying nearly 120-135 miles per hour. What could possibly go wrong?
@@dkoz8321also with one crew Chief, he would've been on the opposite side of the Blackhawk (right side) where the tail rotor was and never seen then plane from the left.
There is a military base next to the commercial airport - and they do regular/weekly training there with helicopters. Each pilot needs to do stipulated hours of night time flying as well to keep certification.
@@JDAfrica Maybe this is a dumb question, but can't the military helicopter pilots do their night training in an area or direction that takes them AWAY from the airport? Can they get back to their base by flying way around the airport so that they're out of or way under commercial jet flight paths?
Planes have such strict restrictions for horizontal and vertical distance between other planes, but I didn’t realize that a helicopter could be within a couple hundred feet of a commercial plane… That doesn’t seem right.
I agree totally. Double standards here. Yes the chopper was too high and did the wrong thing. But for ATC to allow them to pass each other so close in VFR conditions is ridiculous.
That's just an added safety measure that the helicopter disregarded. He shouldn't have flown anywhere near the plane. He wws told to wait and go behind the plane once it lands.
I'm a pilot myself. When in controlled airspace, anyone with a modicum of intelligence and a desire for self-preservation sticks RIGIDLY to the assigned heights. If it's 200ft, you stay within 20ft of that height. To be twice that height is utterly inexcusable and criminally negligent. Nobody could even claim that the altimeter had completely failed, because, in a Blackhawk, they have multiple redundancy for the instruments. This is as clear-cut as it gets. Multiple manslaughter.
Someone must go to jail for this. They must. Otherwise the souls of those who died will never rest in peace. They will seek revenge from afterlife in a most horrific way.
@@simster1001you will find that this will be blamed on the female in the helicopter, who has less experience and happens to be female......therefore DEI. All to appease people like you. There are innocent people being blamed for political narrative. F. D. J. T.
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
I find it astounding that the Blackhawk pilot and co-pilot did not see the jet's navigation lights! And that the helicopter's instruments did not warn them of another plane... They flew directly into the unsuspecting plane. The US military has some very tough questions to answer.
@@heh2k To add, the Helo pilots were also using so-called "White-Phosphorous" NVG's that make it even more difficult to distinguish aircraft from ground targets in light polluted environments.
The female Blackhawk pilot only had 500 hours training, and co-pilot only had 1000 hours... both very low hours flying into the air traffic of one of the busiest airports in the country with a plane landing every 90 seconds. The Aguirre controller was overworked and was doing the work of 2 shirts controllers due to an Obama/ Biden policy that prevented White pilots being hired so they could find diversity hires. This left the country 1,100 air traffic controllers short.
I cannot help but be suspicious, but so far it looks like an accident caused by military training going on in BUSY civilian airspace. To me it is sheer madness.
Where did you get that nonsense? The pilot of the blackhawk had 11 years of experience. Go and factcheck what you here and dont listen to our media on this 😂@fionnmaccumhaill3257
That black and white video clip looked to me as though the helicopter flew straight at the plane, it wasn't climbing, it had climbed and was on a level trajectory towards the plane.
It was rising … from 200 ft 30 seconds before impact to 400 ft at impact. The strange thing is that the maximum allowed altitude in that area for the helicopter is 200 ft, and that the collision angle was almost frontal … that & the fact that the plane had the blinding landing lights on. Bizarre
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
@@huckfin1598 Absurd. This had exactly nothing to do with DEI and I'm against that shit as much as you are. The instructor pilot ,and therefore Plot-in-Command, was a male by the way.
To which aircraft did the helicopter pilot answer yes to seeing? There was another plane in the sky in the vicinity of the other jet the pilot was probably eyeing that plane and not the one they hit.
@@JoeAustralia-l7qnot only that they were higher than it was supposed to, ATC actually saw the collision possibility way too soon and ask helicopter twice if they have plane in sight and can maintain visual separation and both time helicopter says flight is in sight and accepts visual separation, which means they accept responsibility
Atc should have told them to decend and change course(give them a heading like 090 and keep 200) once he saw they where on direct path with the airline. But instead the atc allow the helo pilot to make a judment call on going behind the aircraft he saw assuming it was the right aircraft
Bottom line is if you are piloting a blackhawk across a planes standard landing path, pay strict attention and stay at the proper elevation. It's painfully obvious that the heli was traveling too fast and at the wrong altitude, w/o focusing on the dynamics of the situation at hand. No excuses. 67 dead. Prayers to all the innocent victims and families lost to a huge error in judgment.
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
So annoying … Knowing that males cause 94% of car crashes that cause death or bodily harm. They are too reckless to drive (fly) … Men should let their wives drive for safety reasons
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
The chopper pilot was experienced and yet rose 200 feet above the 200 feet ceiling and then turned into the plane. Was he not looking at the altimeter? Or was this act deliberate? It's all very strange.
It wouldn't shock me if this was deliberate in some way. Suicides like these happen these days. There was a commercial pilot tried taking down a jet a while back in an attempt but he was subdued.
@@PumpkinHoardI'm sooooo glad you said that!!! That was my first thought, and I grew up around the Army at Fort Hood/Cavazos and have known a LOT of helicopter pilots in my day!!!
@@jeffw8057 I wonder if it wasn't something in the line of the AF447, where the (DEI hire, first non military insufficient sim time) co pilot did something so crazy, that it wasn't even in the manual.
I was a Marine crew chief on H-53E Super Stallions, (HMH-464 MCAS). I can tell you for a fact that whenever we flew anywhere there was commercial traffic/ATC, we were instructed of course, but my pilots usually were very loose in following ATC call outs if they followed them at all. Does not surprise me one bit that this helo elevated up to 350ft instead of maintaining his prescribed 200ft, and right into the path of oncoming traffic. Very often it's true that military ops tend to think they take precedents over whatever space they are occupying, be it on the ground or in the air! It's kind of just a military state of mind, sadly in this case. RIP to all the victims and their friends and families... 💖 Semper Fi
Apparently I have more safety features on my car than they have on aircraft, like lane correcting steering, pre-collision sensors, automatic emergency braking, distance keeping cruise control, and I even have a sea level altimeter on my phone. Stay in your lane !
It doesn’t take an “expert”. The helicopter was not at or below the maximum altitude for the route it was on. It was supposed to be at or below 200’. It was far above 200’. That is why this accident happened
@@Dmdirmrjr33 What amount of room? He said “does that sound like enough room” when I didn’t say anything about any amount of room and you didn’t clarify anything.
Actually there are many "experts" who have been pointing out the issue most likely rests with the helicopter. Of course "expert" eliminates the current POTUS who is known in the US of A as an expert at everything who knows nothing about anything.
Thank you for saying it clearly the fault lays on the helicopter. There was one controller handing in-coming and out-going planes along with that helicopter. Thank you for your coverage
Couple of items - the PIC (actually flying) was a female. The male was instructing her to do some recurring training. That is why it is a male's voice on the recordings - the trainer was doing to talking so the student could concentrate on flying. The PAT25 (helo) was on VFR, the jet on IFR. About 4 miles out, the ATC told the helo that the jet was 4 miles, at 1200 feet descending and asked them if they saw it - they replied yes and asked for visual. This means that the helo is taking responsibility for separation. When they got to about a mile apart the ATC notices how close they were getting and asked PAT25 again if they saw the jet on final approach to runway 33, they replied yes (again) and asked for visual again - taking responsibility for a 2nd time. The tower - evidentially getting nervous, told the helo to pass behind the jet. 6 seconds later they impacted. In the DC TCA, helos are to fly at 200' on the very east side of the river. PAT25 was at 400' and in the middle of the river.
well the plane was landing so it was at many altitudes, they were close that why ATC contacted the helicopter and made sure he could see the plane, and gave him permission to to use VFR and maintain separation. The helicopter reported back that he could see the plane, so I guess ATC needed to be psychic and know that the pilot got the planes mixed up or was lying..?
The air traffic controller handed over to the helicopter pilot who confirmed visual awareness of the plane involved in the accident. Twice the helicopter pilot confirmed he/she had visual of the aircraft and took responsibility for keeping required distance.
It's because the NTSB literally looks over every piece of evidence before they release the official cause. I mean, they literally rebuilt a crashed plane and collected the scattered contents of a dust bin to find out what caused crashes.
There is much more to a collision the 1 party at fault and the end. They have to look at why the helicopter climbed, what went wrong, why didn’t the helicopter see the plane, what needs to change for the collision not to happen, what series of failures led to the crash etc.
I agree...However, while driving one night years ago, I barely clipped the tail end of another car while merging at an intersection..a T intersection. I hit the other car at the same angle as this helicopter hit the plane. It was dark, and I never saw the other car or its headlights. As we both traveled towards each other, the car was hidden in a blind spot behind that bar separating the passenger side window and the windshield. Had I been travelling a little slower or a little faster, I would have seen it. So I can believe that the pilot didn't see the plane. What about the other two though?
Four things to consider. 1) The planes lights could have been obscured by the surrounding city lights, making it difficult to discern. 2) For part of the route, the plane was coming toward the heli, so if #1 was applicable, it could have made it even that much more difficult. 3) The plane was in a gradual left descending bank on the circle-to-land approach, which could have obscured trhe visual on the landing lights even more. 4) The heli might have mistook AAL3130 as the plane they were supposed to look for since it was descending on final for RW1 and the visual criteria closely matched what the tower told them to look out for. If any/all of the first three points came into play, that would make this even more plausible. The plane was focused on a complex night time visual approach and in those moments, the last thing they would be doing is trying to see other aircraft (they shouldn't even have to), so it doesn't even matter. The heli was the one directed to maintain visual contact and they failed. Sad tragedy all around.
The most important tool the ATC uses to separate planes is the altitude. Given how busy the ATC was, they could overlook other things, but not the wrong altitude. So I don’t agree that TAC was not at fault. Of coz the major fault was at the heli’s side.
After hearing Byron a couple of times now and a few other pilots interviewed.. I'm still not an expert... but will speculate based on what ive heard. The chopper pilot had mistakenly thought he was avoiding a different plane not seeing the one hit. The chopper may have attempted to go over the approaching plane. Obviously the chopper pilot broke the altitude protocols.
The helicopter pilot asked for and was cleared for Visual Separation. Hereafter, it was upto the helicopter to ensure that separation. Had he not asked for this, the ATC would have guided him through the busy airspace, which he did seconds before anyway when he asks the pilot again if he has the CRJ in sight, which the helicopter pilot replied in the affirmative. I feel very sorry for the ATC.
I’m a grey haired ex airline and military pilot why have you given this fella any credibility. He should know to wait for the NTSB report and he should relay the same message to the media
Your "expert" says the helicopter being 100 ft too high is the cause. So the total margin for fail-safe operation at America's busiest airports is 100 ft? I tend to think that too small a margin of safety is the cause.
A plane has very strict parameters. A helicopter can hover in place, land on a roof... get out of the way. They didn't even have to use that route! And yes, the max. Altitude for the helicopter was 200ft -- all along the opposite shore.
You would think with the cutting edge technology available , if the Helo is supposed to stay at or below 200 .. set an alarm ?! And is there radar for surrounding traffic onboard the Blackhawk ? Having a hard time with the “ just didn’t see it “ scenario
The climbing altitude of the helicopter appears to be the most suspicious event in this collision. I suspect the FFA will be examining voice and mechanical evidence to narrow down the cause.
I am wondering if this was intentional. I just don't understand how the heli pilot or the two that were with him did not see this plane right in front of them.
Exactly. The heli was at the wrong altitude. Also the heli was below the CRJ and coming up while the CRJ was descending so the chance the CRJ pilot could see it was very low. Also, the heli said they had a visual on the CRJ which made it the heli pilot's responsibility to maintain separation. Someone finally brought up TCAS and why it doesn't work at that altitude. Most every US airport is understaffed when it comes to ATC. This wasn't a unique problem to this airport or unique to this night. This would be business as usual.
@@JBN137 I know. Some of the experts that get brought on these news channels are are so bad I think the last time they flew was in WWII. I expected someone to bring up TCAS and embarass themselves with their lack of knowledge about what it is and how it works. I liked how Capt. Bailey brought it up and in 15 seconds explained what it is and why it doesn't work below 1000 feet +/- 100 feet. He's one of the better experts I've heard. The one's from the UK are terrible.
Ive heard reportsbthat the ATC alerted the chopper pilotbof an aircraft in his area, the chopper pilot acknowledged that he could see the plane, but there was another plane in the area and perhaps he saw that plane, but not the one he eventually hit. Very unfortunate whatever the cause.
Wrong he's an idiot. I'm a pilot and a mechanic. The control tower asked the helicopter pilot if he had the CRJ insight and the helicopter pilot said yes the helicopter pilot was looking to the right because he flies from the right seat and he saw the airplane taking off. Less than 10 seconds later, he cut off the actual airplane they were talking about.
Is Bailey kidding? No one in the tower was paying any attention. And he makes excuses for the tower crew. WTF??? I wouldn't let this bloke captain a kite.
No one talks about the 3rd crewmember on the Helo. How they didn't see or say something The helo was heading STRAIGHT AT THE PLANE. NO AVOIDANCE MEASURES AT ALL
The initial FAA report said staffing in the tower was "not normal". Specially there was only one ATC for airplanes and helicopters. Usually there was a controller for each aircraft. It's authorized for one, but this is the busiest runway in the USA. Not the busiest airport, but with high traffic in a limited space due to, restricted flying zones around DC. Congress authorized increased traffic at the airport in 2023, despite pushback. Maybe they didn't like their flights being delayed, instead of safety.
Is Bailey kidding? No one in the tower was paying any attention. And he makes excuses for the tower crew. WTF??? I wouldn't let this bloke captain a kite.
News reports tonight that on TUESDAY at REAGAN, a jet had to abort a landing approach and make a second one because of helicopter interference. Clearly Reagan is too busy and too difficult to allow helicopters in the area on routine missions. Not every pilot can fly a jet into Reagan. A pilot has to have extra, special certifications because of the difficulty level.
@MinnesotaBeekeeper Got an update. The ATC asked the helicopter pilot if had the aircraft in sight, there was another plane taking off. It was closer to the helicopter, so evidently he thought that was the aircraft. He was told; "pass behind to the left"....he did. Previously the ATC had let the planes stack up too close in the landing pattern. He asked the lead plane if he could divert to another runway, he said;" negative"". So he asks the fatal flight if they can divert.....20 seconds...then "okay". (This is a tight landing pattern, time is everything, which we also play a part later). This swung the airliner that would pass by the copter approaching to the left on the other side of the path. The airline has to turn left at approaching the runway......directly across the path of the oncoming copter. Now, for 16 SECONDS a red "ac"'s(air colision warning)pop up on the ATC screen. The ATC doesn't say; "turn left", etc. Just "Are you sure you have the aircraft in sight? Literally until they crashed. This guy says, don't blame the ATC? So this Aussie expert(I like Aussies, worked with a bunch of them) is like a half a world away, correct? I'm not impressed, check out "Pilot Debrief", this guy knows what he's saying. There's a great visual view with synched ATC/cockpit transmission also if you want me to look up the link.
@ If you can only handle your own opinion or the one given to you by CNN, perhaps social media is not for you and you should stay in your safe space 🤷♂
Apparently there have been a number of near misses for the very same reasons over the past decades. So it was clearly not if this accident was going to happen, just when.
You're not explaining the situation. The control tower asked the helicopter pilot pat25 do you have a CRJ in sight? The helicopter pilot said yes . the helicopter pilot was obviously looking at the plane taking off. The controller should've said you have a CRJ on your left on final for 33 do you see him? Then the helicopter would've saw the plane and avoided him.
You missed the fact the helicopter has a ceiling of 200 feet. That’s their corridor to avoid accidents like this and it’s at least 150 feet above that ceiling. The helicopter also did not have a minimum of four people. On that military craft, there are always two people sitting in either side and they have specific roles in observing outside the helicopter. He also didn’t mention night goggles vision amongst vision which they were likely using because it was a recertification flight. Military pilots have stated that in this kind of lighted field, one’s perspective can be distorted with night goggles vision and a plane would appear to be more far away than it actually was under those circumstances. The helicopter pilots were clearly distracted by something. Perhaps struggling with the night goggle vision.
THIS WAS INTENTIONAL AND IF YOU WOULD PAY ATTENTION YOU WOULD KNOW THIS! THERE ARE RULES FOR HELOS ON THAT HELO ONLY PATH. NEVER EVER EXCEED 200FT! THE HELO WAS AT 200FT ALL ACROSS THE SCREEN, THEN BOLTS UP TO 350FT WHERE THE PLANE AND HELO TURNED INTO ONE RADAR BLIP BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY, THEN KABOOM AT ABOUT 400FT!
Its sad. I had a feeling it was pilot error. You have to understand where those flight paths are. To not be extremely careful -- was sad and incompetent.
Agree with Cap. Byron, but the chopper should never have been allowed to cross into the glide-slope of an active runway with an aircraft on short final 😢
The behavior of that Black Hawk helicopter pilot in the last 30 seconds, to suddenly climb nearly 200 feet, right up to the exact same height as the plane, really begs the question, what this intentional? Especially when you consider the helicopter was flying at the correct height, below 200 feet, the whole time and only pulled it up level with the plane 30 seconds before impact.
ATC has full control and final say of what happens in his airspace, he should have never cleared the helicopter to be anywhere near the path of any inbound jet until it was safely on the ground. Visual at night should never have been approved. Ive been an Army combat controller for 12 years, coordination of air traffic, artillery, and movements is my trade. Im responsible for everything in the air over my AOR, and if this wreck happened overseas id be at fault. Situational awareness and understaffing is no excuse, the ATC is fully at fault if the current knowledge of the situation proves true.
Even if the helicopter stayed at 200’ , which it apparently didn’t, It’s stupidity for any helicopter or any other aviation traffic to be able to be on a flight path intersecting with a landing aircraft with only 200’ of separation! Unbelievable.
In the atc transmissions you can actually hear the proximity warning alarm going off before they collided... listen closely I believe it says "collision course" or something... and they just ask the helicopter pilot if he can see the jet... wtf.
The commanding pilot of the helicopter is a female trainee. Her trainer is a male Instructor Pilot Andrew Eaves. And the crew chief is Ryan O'Hara. The female pilot's name is still withheld as if it is a top secret.
@@emwungarand O'Hara was the crew chief, not the commanding pilot. Search ABC6's conference call with Jonathan Koziol, a retired Army chief warrant officer.
Apparently the controller that was on was also doing a double shift ... and the belief is there were two planes in the air at the time and the pilot of the helicopter was watching the other one ... but I don’t know how true that is though 🤷♀️
Why didn't the TWR use the entire callsign of the airplane and only mentioned the plane's model instead? Isn't callsign mandatory for all aircraft communications? TWR knew they had more than CRJ airplane, but even if there was only one, they still should've said it.
While others may have failed, what the data tells us right now is that ATC failed to issue the required traffic alert. We *know* from the audio log that the ATC had a traffic collision alarm on his workstation. We *know* the ATC radioed the helicopter and instead of following procedure below simply asked "do you see jet?" Any claim that the ATC didn't hear the helicopter or couldn't communicate with them is clearly false as per the audio log. If ATC had followed procedure the collision may have been avoided. The USA FAA 7110.65W states the following procedure, which ATC did not follow, is: b. Aircraft Conflict/Mode C Intruder Alert. Immediately issue/initiate an alert to an aircraft if you are aware of another aircraft at an altitude that you believe places them in unsafe proximity. If feasible, offer the pilot an alternate course of action. When an alternate course of action is given, end the transmission with the word “immediately.” PHRASEOLOGY− TRAFFIC ALERT (call sign) (position of aircraft)ADVISE YOU TURN LEFT/RIGHT (heading), and/or CLIMB/DESCEND (specific altitude if appropriate) IMMEDIATELY. EXAMPLE− “Traffic Alert, Cessna Three Four Juliet, 12’o clock, 1 mile advise you turn left immediately.” or “Traffic Alert, Cessna Three-Four Juliet, 12’o clock, 1 mile advise you turn left and climb immediately.”
ATC understaffed ? I don’t get it . Shouldn’t that be illegal ? Surely it’s unsafe practice. A pilot could be sacked for not doing proper checks or an unsafe manoeuvre.A maintenance engineer could be sacked for not following protocol when servicing an engine. So who will be held accountable for ATC understaffing? Or is such understaffing just considered “acceptable”? If it’s not safe then there should be strict regulations. Seems a bit of a no brainer to me. 😢😮
The plane was on final and the line was clear. Traffic control was already working on the other 2000 planes. It's almost like the chopper was aiming for the plane the way he was flying.
The commanding pilot of the helicopter is a female trainee. Her trainer is a male Instructor Pilot Andrew Eaves. And the crew chief is Ryan O'Hara. The female pilot's name is still withheld as if it is a top secret.
it was training so perhaps a L. Not sure if it was a DEI hire? perhaps it was a 90 year old man who was half blind and had Parkinson's. Before you laugh remember Biden was president.
So he basically broke a main rule, regardless of any factors, murdered over 60 other people in the process. Doesn't this seem ridiculous for such an "experienced" and great pilot? Seems more plausible it was done on purpose.
I'm not exert but wouldn't a Blackhawk military helicopter have some type of imminent impact technology avoidance sytem to evade rocket attack or in the case a huge passenger jet
@@happyman9113 Everyone has already come to the conclusion it was the U.S Military helicopter pilots fault buddy, you’re a little too late.. Too bad that pilot was also white.. Sorry, no DEI here 🤣🤡
ATC aimed a commercial jet towards the chopper without telling the pilots they were heading towards a possible conflict and at least be aware of it????? That's fucking nutts!!
@@meredithisme3752 ever been on an airplane? The requirement for a commercial pilots license is 150 - 250 hours. Mmmmm, probably best you stay on the ground.
@@joeshmoe-rl7bk Either way, most people these days are screwed up. Man and woman are almost as screwed up as anyone else half the time. Too much feminine energy everywhere not knowing where it belongs. 🤣😂
@@amidala3927 from the FAA Quote: A person applying for a private pilot certificate in airplanes, helicopters, and gyro-planes must log at least 40 hours of flight time, of which at least 20 hours are flight training from an authorized instructor and 10 hours of solo flight training in the appropriate areas of operation; three hours of cross country;
I’ve flown helicopters across active runways at Heathrow ,London. The essential question here is why the helicopter climbed above the maximum permitted height of 200 feet.
Both Looking out the widow instead of one looking at the guages. I think they mistook a plane that was taking off for the landing plane but never seen it.
Malfunctioning radar altitude indicator and or set. Perhaps combined with incorrectle set QNH (US uses QNH and almost never QFE).
Light polution playing tricks with visual ques. D.C. airspace is among most densest in CONUS.
UH-60/MH-60/VH-60 are flown with two man crews. One of which wears NVG at night. Other maintains natural MK1 night vision. The co-pilot works the comms, fuel, and nav.
Both Co-pilot and crew chief also act as eyes of pilot to maintain SA in busy environment.
Look at the tasks on the pilot flying. While attempting to fly a narrow corridor in the dark, flying an extremely complex aircraft in congested airspace, right next to a restricted flight area protecting the nation’s capitol, while being monitored by an instructor/evaluator…all while trying to maintain an altitude of 200-feet. Oh yeah, flying 200-feet above a dark river at night is no easy task. Then the air traffic controller grants the pilot the responsibility of monitoring an aircraft landing near his location with a dangerously similar altitude and the other aircraft is flying nearly 120-135 miles per hour.
What could possibly go wrong?
@@dkoz8321also with one crew Chief, he would've been on the opposite side of the Blackhawk (right side) where the tail rotor was and never seen then plane from the left.
The Tower gace him no reference of the approaching jet.
Why are we flying helicopters at low altitude directly in front of a major airport runway at all ? Seems ridiculous
There is a military base next to the commercial airport - and they do regular/weekly training there with helicopters.
Each pilot needs to do stipulated hours of night time flying as well to keep certification.
@@JDAfrica well not enough hours in this event.
Yes it seems ridiculous to me too.
@@JDAfrica Maybe this is a dumb question, but can't the military helicopter pilots do their night training in an area or direction that takes them AWAY from the airport? Can they get back to their base by flying way around the airport so that they're out of or way under commercial jet flight paths?
It’s simple, they’re not supposed to climb above 200 ft. This helicopter climbed almost twice as high. Makes you wonder who was on that flight…
Planes have such strict restrictions for horizontal and vertical distance between other planes, but I didn’t realize that a helicopter could be within a couple hundred feet of a commercial plane… That doesn’t seem right.
I agree totally. Double standards here. Yes the chopper was too high and did the wrong thing. But for ATC to allow them to pass each other so close in VFR conditions is ridiculous.
@@Coops777VFR at 9 pm when the world is dark? You must be kidding.
@Coops777 It’s seems like a normal nothing for ATC to do at the time, so you can’t really blame them when the system itself was at fault not them
That's just an added safety measure that the helicopter disregarded. He shouldn't have flown anywhere near the plane. He wws told to wait and go behind the plane once it lands.
I'm a pilot myself. When in controlled airspace, anyone with a modicum of intelligence and a desire for self-preservation sticks RIGIDLY to the assigned heights. If it's 200ft, you stay within 20ft of that height. To be twice that height is utterly inexcusable and criminally negligent. Nobody could even claim that the altimeter had completely failed, because, in a Blackhawk, they have multiple redundancy for the instruments. This is as clear-cut as it gets. Multiple manslaughter.
Someone must go to jail for this. They must. Otherwise the souls of those who died will never rest in peace. They will seek revenge from afterlife in a most horrific way.
@@simster1001 helicopter pilot who caused this is d.ead no one else is to blame
@@simster1001you will find that this will be blamed on the female in the helicopter, who has less experience and happens to be female......therefore DEI. All to appease people like you. There are innocent people being blamed for political narrative. F. D. J. T.
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
@@huckfin1598 but we seen the photo of all pilots and it was all white men. Please stop using tragedy to push agendas
So it's perfectly fine for helicopters to fly around airports separated by only 100 feet from airplanes??
You can't be serious, FAA!!!
Agree, they should have held the helicopter back. Besides the helicopter, someone else screwed up.
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exactly yet our toy drones are illegal wtf
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
They need to decommission one of the two runways in conflict with the military base
I find it astounding that the Blackhawk pilot and co-pilot did not see the jet's navigation lights! And that the helicopter's instruments did not warn them of another plane... They flew directly into the unsuspecting plane. The US military has some very tough questions to answer.
Because they blend in with the city lights,. TCAS is disabled below 1000 feet.
@@heh2k To add, the Helo pilots were also using so-called "White-Phosphorous" NVG's that make it even more difficult to distinguish aircraft from ground targets in light polluted environments.
The female Blackhawk pilot only had 500 hours training, and co-pilot only had 1000 hours... both very low hours flying into the air traffic of one of the busiest airports in the country with a plane landing every 90 seconds. The Aguirre controller was overworked and was doing the work of 2 shirts controllers due to an Obama/ Biden policy that prevented White pilots being hired so they could find diversity hires. This left the country 1,100 air traffic controllers short.
I cannot help but be suspicious, but so far it looks like an accident caused by military training going on in BUSY civilian airspace. To me it is sheer madness.
Where did you get that nonsense? The pilot of the blackhawk had 11 years of experience. Go and factcheck what you here and dont listen to our media on this 😂@fionnmaccumhaill3257
RIP to the crash victims.😢
Wishful thinking, what if they are not "resting in peace"
They might have to work 24/7 in a busy kitchen now for the rest of their time.
@@MothKeeper very true
That black and white video clip looked to me as though the helicopter flew straight at the plane, it wasn't climbing, it had climbed and was on a level trajectory towards the plane.
Rhetoric you should look up a video about visually spotting a plane even in clear weather is incredibly hard to see when your flying at 250mph-400mph
paralax error, if you look directly at it rising it appears as a straight line.
It was rising … from 200 ft 30 seconds before impact to 400 ft at impact. The strange thing is that the maximum allowed altitude in that area for the helicopter is 200 ft, and that the collision angle was almost frontal … that & the fact that the plane had the blinding landing lights on. Bizarre
The Helicopter pilot was at fault either intentionally or unintentionally no question about it!
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
@@huckfin1598
Absurd. This had exactly nothing to do with DEI and I'm against that shit as much as you are. The instructor pilot ,and therefore Plot-in-Command, was a male by the way.
@@huckfin1598 Learn the facts before you spread Hate speech.
@@huckfin1598 You statement is absurd.
@@pccougar895 That's not "hate speech" and hate speech doesn't even exist outside of the blue bubble
WHY IS THE CHOPPER THERE AT ALL !!!!!???????
.Good question. Don't the military have all the commercial flight arrival times?
Cuz get to the chopper
These choppers are to get the top govt officials out if there is a major problem. Secondly they are the taxis for the most powerful in d.c.
The ATC checked with the helicopter twice that he had a visual on the plane and twice he responded yes.
Wrong plane
There were two planes, the helicopter spotted one of them
To which aircraft did the helicopter pilot answer yes to seeing? There was another plane in the sky in the vicinity of the other jet the pilot was probably eyeing that plane and not the one they hit.
@melissascheller7458 well that's obvious.
Which plane?
Having cross traffic in any landing path is insane!
Appreciate the honest appraisal
It's wild having traffic crossing the final before the runway. Regardless of this being normal it's really a major safety issue, obviously
Nothings can prevent incompetence. Helicopter pilot failed to steer away. An error by one person a tragedy for many.
Helicopter at fault...was supposed to be at 200 ft... NOT 400!!!
You’re not very smart.
@@JoeAustralia-l7qis he wrong?
@@JoeAustralia-l7qnot only that they were higher than it was supposed to, ATC actually saw the collision possibility way too soon and ask helicopter twice if they have plane in sight and can maintain visual separation and both time helicopter says flight is in sight and accepts visual separation, which means they accept responsibility
DUH
Atc should have told them to decend and change course(give them a heading like 090 and keep 200) once he saw they where on direct path with the airline. But instead the atc allow the helo pilot to make a judment call on going behind the aircraft he saw assuming it was the right aircraft
suicidal behaviour
Bottom line is if you are piloting a blackhawk across a planes standard landing path, pay strict attention and stay at the proper elevation. It's painfully obvious that the heli was traveling too fast and at the wrong altitude, w/o focusing on the dynamics of the situation at hand. No excuses. 67 dead. Prayers to all the innocent victims and families lost to a huge error in judgment.
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
So annoying … Knowing that males cause 94% of car crashes that cause death or bodily harm. They are too reckless to drive (fly) … Men should let their wives drive for safety reasons
why put a helicopter flight path in front of a runway at 200ft or not, it was only a matter of time
For the military, choppers, the maximum altitude in that area up to a bridge was 200 feet.
the chopper came at the plane like a rabid dog.
It came bounding over...
Like a rabid republican
if it identified as a rabid dog then we can't even say it was in the wrong before trump got in.
Bc FEMALE pilot who was DEI hire and had no business being in that helicopter and that air space in that area of DC but was there due to affirmative action in the military
@@huckfin1598 Female pilot? Where did you learn this?
The Blackhawk pilot assumed VISUAL SEPARATION TWICE! Obviously they did NOT have ANY SEPARATION!😢
Absolutely Sickening
God bless the ones that lost their lives 🙏
The chopper pilot was experienced and yet rose 200 feet above the 200 feet ceiling and then turned into the plane. Was he not looking at the altimeter? Or was this act deliberate? It's all very strange.
The pilot was female and only had 500 hours of flight experience. The male co-pilot trainer had 1000 flight hrs.
It wouldn't shock me if this was deliberate in some way. Suicides like these happen these days. There was a commercial pilot tried taking down a jet a while back in an attempt but he was subdued.
@@jeffw8057500 is lot for a helicopter pilot
@@PumpkinHoardI'm sooooo glad you said that!!! That was my first thought, and I grew up around the Army at Fort Hood/Cavazos and have known a LOT of helicopter pilots in my day!!!
@@jeffw8057 I wonder if it wasn't something in the line of the AF447, where the (DEI hire, first non military insufficient sim time) co pilot did something so crazy, that it wasn't even in the manual.
I was a Marine crew chief on H-53E Super Stallions, (HMH-464 MCAS). I can tell you for a fact that whenever we flew anywhere there was commercial traffic/ATC, we were instructed of course, but my pilots usually were very loose in following ATC call outs if they followed them at all. Does not surprise me one bit that this helo elevated up to 350ft instead of maintaining his prescribed 200ft, and right into the path of oncoming traffic. Very often it's true that military ops tend to think they take precedents over whatever space they are occupying, be it on the ground or in the air! It's kind of just a military state of mind, sadly in this case. RIP to all the victims and their friends and families... 💖
Semper Fi
Yes true, a kind of arrogance.
Helicopter was strictly liable. Flew too high.
Apparently I have more safety features on my car than they have on aircraft, like lane correcting steering, pre-collision sensors, automatic emergency braking, distance keeping cruise control, and I even have a sea level altimeter on my phone. Stay in your lane !
It doesn’t take an “expert”. The helicopter was not at or below the maximum altitude for the route it was on. It was supposed to be at or below 200’. It was far above 200’. That is why this accident happened
Dose that sound like enough room to you?
@
What do you mean “does that sound like enough room”?
@@MyToxicMasculinityhe means the amount of room , does it sound like it’s enough .
@@Dmdirmrjr33
What amount of room? He said “does that sound like enough room” when I didn’t say anything about any amount of room and you didn’t clarify anything.
@@Dmdirmrjr33
If I had said something like “the helicopter was supposed to maintain 200’ of separation”, then his question would make sense.
This is the first expert I’ve seen get it exactly right!!! He looked at the publicly available data!!!
Actually there are many "experts" who have been pointing out the issue most likely rests with the helicopter. Of course "expert" eliminates the current POTUS who is known in the US of A as an expert at everything who knows nothing about anything.
Thank you for saying it clearly the fault lays on the helicopter. There was one controller handing in-coming and out-going planes along with that helicopter. Thank you for your coverage
That poor traffic controller, audio showed he tried to warn the helicopter pilot ... so sad for all involved 😔
Couple of items - the PIC (actually flying) was a female. The male was instructing her to do some recurring training. That is why it is a male's voice on the recordings - the trainer was doing to talking so the student could concentrate on flying. The PAT25 (helo) was on VFR, the jet on IFR. About 4 miles out, the ATC told the helo that the jet was 4 miles, at 1200 feet descending and asked them if they saw it - they replied yes and asked for visual. This means that the helo is taking responsibility for separation. When they got to about a mile apart the ATC notices how close they were getting and asked PAT25 again if they saw the jet on final approach to runway 33, they replied yes (again) and asked for visual again - taking responsibility for a 2nd time. The tower - evidentially getting nervous, told the helo to pass behind the jet. 6 seconds later they impacted. In the DC TCA, helos are to fly at 200' on the very east side of the river. PAT25 was at 400' and in the middle of the river.
The helicopter crew's names were Ryan O'Hara and Andrew Eaves. Nobody else was even on board.
@@fedfed6485there was a female trainee named shaniqua Jenkins on board as well
@@fedfed6485 There were three people, so you're missing one.
Surely the ATC would’ve seen that there were two aircraft flying at the same altitude in close proximity.
well the plane was landing so it was at many altitudes, they were close that why ATC contacted the helicopter and made sure he could see the plane, and gave him permission to to use VFR and maintain separation. The helicopter reported back that he could see the plane, so I guess ATC needed to be psychic and know that the pilot got the planes mixed up or was lying..?
Them poor people on the plane, 1 mile away from landing must of been relaxed and happy to be home, then this terrible thing happens.
Plus they probably saw it coming...
The air traffic controller handed over to the helicopter pilot who confirmed visual awareness of the plane involved in the accident.
Twice the helicopter pilot confirmed he/she had visual of the aircraft and took responsibility for keeping required distance.
National Inquirer?
Yet in a year from now the official investigation will have the same result this pilot just explained on Day 2.
It's because the NTSB literally looks over every piece of evidence before they release the official cause.
I mean, they literally rebuilt a crashed plane and collected the scattered contents of a dust bin to find out what caused crashes.
There is much more to a collision the 1 party at fault and the end. They have to look at why the helicopter climbed, what went wrong, why didn’t the helicopter see the plane, what needs to change for the collision not to happen, what series of failures led to the crash etc.
I can understand how the plane pilot could miss seeing something to the side, however the helicopter would have seen the plane surely.
I agree...However, while driving one night years ago, I barely clipped the tail end of another car while merging at an intersection..a T intersection. I hit the other car at the same angle as this helicopter hit the plane. It was dark, and I never saw the other car or its headlights. As we both traveled towards each other, the car was hidden in a blind spot behind that bar separating the passenger side window and the windshield. Had I been travelling a little slower or a little faster, I would have seen it. So I can believe that the pilot didn't see the plane. What about the other two though?
Four things to consider.
1) The planes lights could have been obscured by the surrounding city lights, making it difficult to discern.
2) For part of the route, the plane was coming toward the heli, so if #1 was applicable, it could have made it even that much more difficult.
3) The plane was in a gradual left descending bank on the circle-to-land approach, which could have obscured trhe visual on the landing lights even more.
4) The heli might have mistook AAL3130 as the plane they were supposed to look for since it was descending on final for RW1 and the visual criteria closely matched what the tower told them to look out for. If any/all of the first three points came into play, that would make this even more plausible.
The plane was focused on a complex night time visual approach and in those moments, the last thing they would be doing is trying to see other aircraft (they shouldn't even have to), so it doesn't even matter. The heli was the one directed to maintain visual contact and they failed. Sad tragedy all around.
@@jacobnyhart6862 Doesn't explain why it was at twice its allowed alt though.
@ I agree. I'm curious to know why the helicopter was almost twice the posted procedural maximum altitude of 200' myself.
One guy in tower overloaded with work
The most important tool the ATC uses to separate planes is the altitude. Given how busy the ATC was, they could overlook other things, but not the wrong altitude. So I don’t agree that TAC was not at fault. Of coz the major fault was at the heli’s side.
After hearing Byron a couple of times now and a few other pilots interviewed.. I'm still not an expert... but will speculate based on what ive heard. The chopper pilot had mistakenly thought he was avoiding a different plane not seeing the one hit. The chopper may have attempted to go over the approaching plane. Obviously the chopper pilot broke the altitude protocols.
A ship suddenly steering into a huge bridge. A military helicopter suddenly climbing into an airplane's space. Terrible accidents.
"accidents"
🤔
The helicopter pilot asked for and was cleared for Visual Separation. Hereafter, it was upto the helicopter to ensure that separation. Had he not asked for this, the ATC would have guided him through the busy airspace, which he did seconds before anyway when he asks the pilot again if he has the CRJ in sight, which the helicopter pilot replied in the affirmative. I feel very sorry for the ATC.
Military chopper totally at fault. WEI connection.
I’m a grey haired ex airline and military pilot why have you given this fella any credibility. He should know to wait for the NTSB report and he should relay the same message to the media
The ATC was getting a warning and should have taken action.
nah it was VFR it was up to the chopper to maintain separation
Your "expert" says the helicopter being 100 ft too high is the cause. So the total margin for fail-safe operation at America's busiest airports is 100 ft? I tend to think that too small a margin of safety is the cause.
I totally agree.
A plane has very strict parameters. A helicopter can hover in place, land on a roof... get out of the way. They didn't even have to use that route! And yes, the max. Altitude for the helicopter was 200ft -- all along the opposite shore.
Jet was supposed to be at 500 then 400. Heli at 200. Heli f'd up.
You would think with the cutting edge technology available , if the Helo is supposed to stay at or below 200 .. set an alarm ?! And is there radar for surrounding traffic onboard the Blackhawk ? Having a hard time with the “ just didn’t see it “ scenario
@dimples5933 it's called an altimeter and they obviously didn't use it.
Helicopter pilot was at fault, incompetent as she was way too high. +200 feet.. that's totally criminal.
She was co, not the main pilot , white guy
@@Dmdirmrjr33I heard she was pilot in control of the aircraft
Helicopter at 100% fault incursion into a dedicated landing flight path
I hope the army stops flying helicopters around commercial airports.
This was a tragedy that did not have to happen
your sentence doesn't make sense
@@joeshmoe-rl7bk Your response is ridiculous.
@@joeshmoe-rl7bk It’s called - not competent.
The climbing altitude of the helicopter appears to be the most suspicious event in this collision. I suspect the FFA will be examining voice and mechanical evidence to narrow down the cause.
I am wondering if this was intentional. I just don't understand how the heli pilot or the two that were with him did not see this plane right in front of them.
I knew it was the helicopter pilots fault immediately....too obvious.
The Helicopter purposely rammed into the plane . Dont believe me ,watch the replay.
Terrorism?
@@Aussiebirds2024 Perhaps they were aiming for the Pentagon, the area where they store all the sensitive documents
Could someone have hacked the controls of the chopper remotely?
Exactly. The heli was at the wrong altitude. Also the heli was below the CRJ and coming up while the CRJ was descending so the chance the CRJ pilot could see it was very low. Also, the heli said they had a visual on the CRJ which made it the heli pilot's responsibility to maintain separation.
Someone finally brought up TCAS and why it doesn't work at that altitude.
Most every US airport is understaffed when it comes to ATC. This wasn't a unique problem to this airport or unique to this night. This would be business as usual.
TCAS does not operate below 1000".
@@JBN137 I know. Some of the experts that get brought on these news channels are are so bad I think the last time they flew was in WWII. I expected someone to bring up TCAS and embarass themselves with their lack of knowledge about what it is and how it works. I liked how Capt. Bailey brought it up and in 15 seconds explained what it is and why it doesn't work below 1000 feet +/- 100 feet. He's one of the better experts I've heard. The one's from the UK are terrible.
Whats with these military personnel coming out of thr woodwork killing people and committing suicide?
There are no asylums. Others support them in their delusions.
i think the helicopter were identifying as a rabid dog. A hold over from the woke days.
Ive heard reportsbthat the ATC alerted the chopper pilotbof an aircraft in his area, the chopper pilot acknowledged that he could see the plane, but there was another plane in the area and perhaps he saw that plane, but not the one he eventually hit.
Very unfortunate whatever the cause.
Totally the fault of the helicopter.
Military Intelligence at its finest
Who gave the order for the chopper to have training flight in that area is beyond me.
its normal daily yearly activity
Such a tragedy it's unbelievable.To see this happen before our eyes. The fear they must have had. In a split second gone.
A lot of Pilots have said that the helicopter pilot most likely had visual on the wrong CRJ, that was taking off?
Possibly the plane behind the CRJ in question, which was also on final approach behind the ill fated one.
@@mk1479 Radar data show that there were 4 planes on final with 2 on "short final".
@@barkvarkie_fpv8623 Yup
"Do you have eyes on the crj" said by air traffic control or a pilot commonly means eyes on a crj coming in to land.
@ there were 4 on approach ....
Makes the whole siyuation much more clear. Now I understand; the chopper pilot was at fault, Those poor passengers.
Wrong he's an idiot. I'm a pilot and a mechanic. The control tower asked the helicopter pilot if he had the CRJ insight and the helicopter pilot said yes the helicopter pilot was looking to the right because he flies from the right seat and he saw the airplane taking off. Less than 10 seconds later, he cut off the actual airplane they were talking about.
The pilot was a female
Female co pilot had 500 hours experience with black hawk
@@lauran1212 WTF? No. The copter copilot was.
Is Bailey kidding? No one in the tower was paying any attention. And he makes excuses for the tower crew. WTF??? I wouldn't let this bloke captain a kite.
“Deadly Black Helicopter attacks White Jet-Plane”
so funny. 🤣
No one talks about the 3rd crewmember on the
Helo. How they didn't see or say something
The helo was heading STRAIGHT AT THE PLANE. NO AVOIDANCE MEASURES AT ALL
i guess the plane was dropping in, coming from above, and they were watching another plane (the wrong plane).
This is what gets me, there were 3 of them. How did one not see the jet? Or even say Sir, aren't we supposed to be at 200ft?
This tells me that regardless, if flights are delayed or not, we need more air traffic controllers.
Apparently Trump froze the employment of more ATCs, presumably because, well, you know….government bad! Lunacy rules!
It's really hard to become one.
ATC is more demanding than being a pilot.
Yea instead of deporting Mexicans , why not train them to do this jobs that lazy Americans won’t do
More ATC would not have changed this. Helico was at twice it's height and was told to go behind the other plane.
The initial FAA report said staffing in the tower was "not normal". Specially there was only one ATC for airplanes and helicopters. Usually there was a controller for each aircraft. It's authorized for one, but this is the busiest runway in the USA. Not the busiest airport, but with high traffic in a limited space due to, restricted flying zones around DC. Congress authorized increased traffic at the airport in 2023, despite pushback. Maybe they didn't like their flights being delayed, instead of safety.
Is Bailey kidding? No one in the tower was paying any attention. And he makes excuses for the tower crew. WTF??? I wouldn't let this bloke captain a kite.
@MinnesotaBeekeeper do you have nothing better to do than cut/paste to every comment? How pathetic
News reports tonight that on TUESDAY at REAGAN, a jet had to abort a landing approach and make a second one because of helicopter interference. Clearly Reagan is too busy and too difficult to allow helicopters in the area on routine missions. Not every pilot can fly a jet into Reagan. A pilot has to have extra, special certifications because of the difficulty level.
@MinnesotaBeekeeper Got an update. The ATC asked the helicopter pilot if had the aircraft in sight, there was another plane taking off. It was closer to the helicopter, so evidently he thought that was the aircraft. He was told; "pass behind to the left"....he did. Previously the ATC had let the planes stack up too close in the landing pattern. He asked the lead plane if he could divert to another runway, he said;" negative"". So he asks the fatal flight if they can divert.....20 seconds...then "okay". (This is a tight landing pattern, time is everything, which we also play a part later). This swung the airliner that would pass by the copter approaching to the left on the other side of the path. The airline has to turn left at approaching the runway......directly across the path of the oncoming copter. Now, for 16 SECONDS a red "ac"'s(air colision warning)pop up on the ATC screen. The ATC doesn't say; "turn left", etc. Just "Are you sure you have the aircraft in sight? Literally until they crashed. This guy says, don't blame the ATC?
So this Aussie expert(I like Aussies, worked with a bunch of them) is like a half a world away, correct? I'm not impressed, check out "Pilot Debrief", this guy knows what he's saying. There's a great visual view with synched ATC/cockpit transmission also if you want me to look up the link.
stop making shit up
Blindsided. RIP.
The hellicoptor pilot was probably playing with his phone,
It almost seems the helicopter crashed into the plane intentionally
Lots of conspiracy theories about that scenario going already. It's very unusual to say the least.
Here we go, armchair experts and conspiracy bullshit artists at already.
ALMOST? IT OBVIOUSLY DID!
@ If you can only handle your own opinion or the one given to you by CNN, perhaps social media is not for you and you should stay in your safe space 🤷♂
@@cheeseschrist2303 Conspiracy bullshit artists 37 Clowns like you 0 in the past few decades!
Apparently there have been a number of near misses for the very same reasons over the past decades. So it was clearly not if this accident was going to happen, just when.
You're not explaining the situation. The control tower asked the helicopter pilot pat25 do you have a CRJ in sight? The helicopter pilot said yes . the helicopter pilot was obviously looking at the plane taking off. The controller should've said you have a CRJ on your left on final for 33 do you see him? Then the helicopter would've saw the plane and avoided him.
this
You missed the fact the helicopter has a ceiling of 200 feet. That’s their corridor to avoid accidents like this and it’s at least 150 feet above that ceiling. The helicopter also did not have a minimum of four people. On that military craft, there are always two people sitting in either side and they have specific roles in observing outside the helicopter. He also didn’t mention night goggles vision amongst vision which they were likely using because it was a recertification flight. Military pilots have stated that in this kind of lighted field, one’s perspective can be distorted with night goggles vision and a plane would appear to be more far away than it actually was under those circumstances. The helicopter pilots were clearly distracted by something. Perhaps struggling with the night goggle vision.
THIS WAS INTENTIONAL AND IF YOU WOULD PAY ATTENTION YOU WOULD KNOW THIS! THERE ARE RULES FOR HELOS ON THAT HELO ONLY PATH. NEVER EVER EXCEED 200FT! THE HELO WAS AT 200FT ALL ACROSS THE SCREEN, THEN BOLTS UP TO 350FT WHERE THE PLANE AND HELO TURNED INTO ONE RADAR BLIP BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY, THEN KABOOM AT ABOUT 400FT!
@@j.j.9123 Wouldn't they have a hud for the alt?
Its sad. I had a feeling it was pilot error. You have to understand where those flight paths are. To not be extremely careful -- was sad and incompetent.
Was because of a trans. Kamikaze run. Troon out is a thing
Spot on.
Agree with Cap. Byron, but the chopper should never have been allowed to cross into the glide-slope of an active runway with an aircraft on short final 😢
The behavior of that Black Hawk helicopter pilot in the last 30 seconds, to suddenly climb nearly 200 feet, right up to the exact same height as the plane, really begs the question, what this intentional?
Especially when you consider the helicopter was flying at the correct height, below 200 feet, the whole time and only pulled it up level with the plane 30 seconds before impact.
ATC has full control and final say of what happens in his airspace, he should have never cleared the helicopter to be anywhere near the path of any inbound jet until it was safely on the ground. Visual at night should never have been approved. Ive been an Army combat controller for 12 years, coordination of air traffic, artillery, and movements is my trade. Im responsible for everything in the air over my AOR, and if this wreck happened overseas id be at fault. Situational awareness and understaffing is no excuse, the ATC is fully at fault if the current knowledge of the situation proves true.
There is the First Safety Change.
No Helicopters or Cross Flights within 5 Klms of Runway Entry, Exits.
Damn. 📠💯🎯🍀 I know no survivors, but...🙏🙏🙏
common sense revolution.
Even if the helicopter stayed at 200’ , which it apparently didn’t, It’s stupidity for any helicopter or any other aviation traffic to be able to be on a flight path intersecting with a landing aircraft with only 200’ of separation! Unbelievable.
In the atc transmissions you can actually hear the proximity warning alarm going off before they collided... listen closely I believe it says "collision course" or something... and they just ask the helicopter pilot if he can see the jet... wtf.
The commanding pilot of the helicopter is a female trainee. Her trainer is a male Instructor Pilot Andrew Eaves. And the crew chief is Ryan O'Hara. The female pilot's name is still withheld as if it is a top secret.
Should have ordered him to descend. A collision alarm goes off he should have ordered him to check is altitude and descend!
@@AkiraNakamoto O'Hara was flying the Blackhawk at the time of impact.
@@emwungarand O'Hara was the crew chief, not the commanding pilot. Search ABC6's conference call with Jonathan Koziol, a retired Army chief warrant officer.
It's a 7ransgender freak, getting back at Trump, for saying no more of this woke ++++ in the Military @@AkiraNakamoto
All these experts, that weren’t there…🤔 Amazing! Fact, one (1) controller was on when there should have been two (2)!!! 🇺🇸
There would have been 4 ideally, but musk had been calling for massive job cuts from the FAA since September last year.
It amazes me how many 'experts'... aren't.
Apparently the controller that was on was also doing a double shift ... and the belief is there were two planes in the air at the time and the pilot of the helicopter was watching the other one ... but I don’t know how true that is though 🤷♀️
Dunning Kruger in full effect coming from you, a walmart greeter in an armchair!
There were supposed to be 30 traffic controllers on duty, yet only 19 were present.. Workload in a busy airport like that can only spell disaster.
The traffic controller was multi tasking while the chopper pilot was gaining altitude recipe for disaster.
Why didn't the TWR use the entire callsign of the airplane and only mentioned the plane's model instead? Isn't callsign mandatory for all aircraft communications? TWR knew they had more than CRJ airplane, but even if there was only one, they still should've said it.
American will have to come to Aussie media to find out true answers...Lol..
Not sure why you say that. Skynews is owned by Fox. Same news and commentary.
While others may have failed, what the data tells us right now is that ATC failed to issue the required traffic alert. We *know* from the audio log that the ATC had a traffic collision alarm on his workstation. We *know* the ATC radioed the helicopter and instead of following procedure below simply asked "do you see jet?" Any claim that the ATC didn't hear the helicopter or couldn't communicate with them is clearly false as per the audio log. If ATC had followed procedure the collision may have been avoided.
The USA FAA 7110.65W states the following procedure, which ATC did not follow, is:
b. Aircraft Conflict/Mode C Intruder Alert.
Immediately issue/initiate an alert to an aircraft if you
are aware of another aircraft at an altitude that you
believe places them in unsafe proximity. If feasible,
offer the pilot an alternate course of action. When an
alternate course of action is given, end the
transmission with the word “immediately.”
PHRASEOLOGY−
TRAFFIC ALERT (call sign) (position of aircraft)ADVISE
YOU TURN LEFT/RIGHT (heading),
and/or
CLIMB/DESCEND (specific altitude if appropriate)
IMMEDIATELY.
EXAMPLE−
“Traffic Alert, Cessna Three Four Juliet, 12’o clock, 1 mile
advise you turn left immediately.”
or
“Traffic Alert, Cessna Three-Four Juliet, 12’o clock, 1
mile advise you turn left and climb immediately.”
Great analysis!
One man in the tower, chopper at 350ft in a 200ft max zone, DEI….so many coincidences…anyone could think it was deliberate..?
ATC understaffed ? I don’t get it . Shouldn’t that be illegal ? Surely it’s unsafe practice. A pilot could be sacked for not doing proper checks or an unsafe manoeuvre.A maintenance engineer could be sacked for not following protocol when servicing an engine. So who will be held accountable for ATC understaffing? Or is such understaffing just considered “acceptable”? If it’s not safe then there should be strict regulations. Seems a bit of a no brainer to me. 😢😮
There’s a shortage of professionals in that area in America so
What Captain Bailey has said lines up with what Juan Brown has said on his channel. It makes sense to me, although I am not a pilot.
The plane was on final and the line was clear. Traffic control was already working on the other 2000 planes. It's almost like the chopper was aiming for the plane the way he was flying.
The military guy should not be along the flight path of landing airplanes, behind a landing plane is turbulence. How are the helicopters allowed?
and a learner pilot too...
The helo was like a MISSLE
it acquired it's target (plane)
Locked on witn NO ADJUSTMENT. JUST STRAIGHT AT THE PLANE
Yeah , very sus.
Chopper pilot error. Who was the pilot ? Experience ? L plater ?
The commanding pilot of the helicopter is a female trainee. Her trainer is a male Instructor Pilot Andrew Eaves. And the crew chief is Ryan O'Hara. The female pilot's name is still withheld as if it is a top secret.
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it was training so perhaps a L. Not sure if it was a DEI hire? perhaps it was a 90 year old man who was half blind and had Parkinson's. Before you laugh remember Biden was president.
So he basically broke a main rule, regardless of any factors, murdered over 60 other people in the process. Doesn't this seem ridiculous for such an "experienced" and great pilot? Seems more plausible it was done on purpose.
No, because deadly errors can creep up on anyone unawares. It's the way we process information that does it.
I'm not exert but wouldn't a Blackhawk military helicopter have some type of imminent impact technology avoidance sytem to evade rocket attack or in the case a huge passenger jet
Usually but that money spent on DEI.
Was this not an accident waiting to happen?
Understaffed = not safe for the public.
Nothing to do with ATC staffing.. This was the U.S military pilots fault.. Done..
@@youngj7it’s Biden DEI 😂
@@happyman9113 Everyone has already come to the conclusion it was the U.S Military helicopter pilots fault buddy, you’re a little too late.. Too bad that pilot was also white.. Sorry, no DEI here 🤣🤡
Yes Trump sacked everyone. Idiot!
ATC aimed a commercial jet towards the chopper without telling the pilots they were heading towards a possible conflict and at least be aware of it????? That's fucking nutts!!
The woman flying the helicopter only had 500 hrs, DEI
''woman''........can mean anything in the military
@@meredithisme3752 ever been on an airplane? The requirement for a commercial pilots license is 150 - 250 hours. Mmmmm, probably best you stay on the ground.
@@joeshmoe-rl7bk Either way, most people these days are screwed up. Man and woman are almost as screwed up as anyone else half the time. Too much feminine energy everywhere not knowing where it belongs. 🤣😂
@@wayjoh1955 Here in the USA, it's a minimum of 1,500 flight hours to get a basic license. Commercial airlines require even more.
@@amidala3927 from the FAA Quote: A person applying for a private pilot certificate in airplanes, helicopters, and gyro-planes must log at least 40 hours of flight time, of which at least 20 hours are flight training from an authorized instructor and 10 hours of solo flight training in the appropriate areas of operation; three hours of cross country;