I believe the biggest problems are redials, swapped parts, unoriginal buckles, replaced crystal with cheap plexi, polished several times, and things like that. You will most likely buy something that resembles a GS, but get a Seikostein :)
there is still nothing better than vintage GS, so the fact that I've listed things you need to know about doesn't mean you should be buying different watches. You can't do better than vintage GS
I would also like a "why you should collect Grand Seiko" I've just been bitten by the bug and have been trying to understand which places to go find watches that I can be sure will not be rip offs, because of all everything you mentioned in this video.
I'm a Seiko collector, I have Lord Marvels, Lord Matics, King Seiko and Grand Seiko. When buying, negotiate. But if you are buying vintage and can;t discern between a real or fake, don't buy vintage. If you cannot service your own watches, meaning you have all the tools and know-how, be careful. I have purchased all of mine from 3 different sellers who I have formed a relationship with and I take the risk. That's part of it. Absolutely no problems working with a Japanese seller who can communicate with no problem. Also watch enthusiasts and dealers do speak a common language (watches and movements). I would never send my watch to Grand Seiko. I service them on my own. Plus, my seller services them before I buy. Is it hard to find someone like I did. absolutely. But it comes with the territory of vintage collecting and selling. The interesting thing is that my vintage Grand Seikos are very similar to their King Seiko counterparts. As someone who services my own watches, it's important to find a donor, and as he said, King Seiko's movements overlap in parts that will work, but I typically would try to source a donor movement of the same model. The video is misleading in title. He's not telling you not to collect or buy but warning you, and I think it's correct. My suggestion is not to jump directly into Ging and Grand Seiko but to dip your toes in with Lord Marvels, Lord Matics, and other vintage Seikos with lower price points, and this is a great place to start. I did the same myself.
Great and very useful comment, thank you! Yes, I absolutely love vintage Grand Seiko and my viewers should absolutely collect it. This video is just a warning so people know what to expect and collect smart
Hey i have a question i have a 8n65 movement . You can pull the stem and crown and they click into place . Hacking works as well . Watch runs but you can not set time and date . Any idea what might be the issue "? Can I replace the stem or do I need to source a replacement movement ?
I think you've made a good summary of what I say in the video. I guess if people have experience collecting foreign brands that were never sold in their country they know already most what I said in the video. Say I live in Japan and I want to collect American Elgin. Same things apply
interesting video. A point about the medallion; the worn ones will original bc gold is very soft. If their looks too clean compared to the rest of the case it’s tin or some other metal. There are sellers in japan who sell them for every model.
the 45 series movement have a big balance wheel which requires a lot of power. this sometimes results in sheered barrel teeth. these 36000 manual wind 45s are not an everyday casual wear and tbh prob shouldn’t be fully wound regularly. 56xx autos are the safest bet. That 36000 seiko is a beautiful thing tho
@@alexanderkamerbeek9693 I'm telling you its a known issue with the 45xx movements, its not my opinion. Looking for a new barrel; you'll often get a "teeth intact" note just like with 56xx day/date does or doesn't advance. Parts sellers call out the flaws if its not NOS and that barrel will be 150$ minimum because so many are out of service. chances are you'd only catch it on a time grapher or during inspection.
Love vintage GS design, just wish the movements were more like a Rolex movement with fully serviceable construction, more metal parts, better winding action, instant date change, etc.
They are serviceable. What do you mean? I have serviced my own King Seiko and Grand Seiko and had them serviced before I was comfortable with it myself. You use all the same tools, oils and lubricants as any vintage watch service. Some are harder than others to open (through the dial/front) so this means using a tool to pry them open, so be careful.
I believe the biggest problems are redials, swapped parts, unoriginal buckles, replaced crystal with cheap plexi, polished several times, and things like that. You will most likely buy something that resembles a GS, but get a Seikostein :)
there is still nothing better than vintage GS, so the fact that I've listed things you need to know about doesn't mean you should be buying different watches. You can't do better than vintage GS
@@QuartzCrisis I own one without the buckle and the original crystal. It's a nice watch, but rarely gets into rotation.
i couldn't hear a thing he said. i was just admiring that beautiful gs!
I would also like a "why you should collect Grand Seiko" I've just been bitten by the bug and have been trying to understand which places to go find watches that I can be sure will not be rip offs, because of all everything you mentioned in this video.
Please see my most popular video: How to buy vintage Grand Seiko. It will be very helpful to answer the second part of your question.
I would enjoy 'why you should collect grand seiko' video, please make one :)
I'm a Seiko collector, I have Lord Marvels, Lord Matics, King Seiko and Grand Seiko. When buying, negotiate. But if you are buying vintage and can;t discern between a real or fake, don't buy vintage. If you cannot service your own watches, meaning you have all the tools and know-how, be careful. I have purchased all of mine from 3 different sellers who I have formed a relationship with and I take the risk. That's part of it. Absolutely no problems working with a Japanese seller who can communicate with no problem. Also watch enthusiasts and dealers do speak a common language (watches and movements). I would never send my watch to Grand Seiko. I service them on my own. Plus, my seller services them before I buy.
Is it hard to find someone like I did. absolutely. But it comes with the territory of vintage collecting and selling.
The interesting thing is that my vintage Grand Seikos are very similar to their King Seiko counterparts. As someone who services my own watches, it's important to find a donor, and as he said, King Seiko's movements overlap in parts that will work, but I typically would try to source a donor movement of the same model.
The video is misleading in title. He's not telling you not to collect or buy but warning you, and I think it's correct. My suggestion is not to jump directly into Ging and Grand Seiko but to dip your toes in with Lord Marvels, Lord Matics, and other vintage Seikos with lower price points, and this is a great place to start. I did the same myself.
Great and very useful comment, thank you! Yes, I absolutely love vintage Grand Seiko and my viewers should absolutely collect it. This video is just a warning so people know what to expect and collect smart
Hey i have a question i have a 8n65 movement . You can pull the stem and crown and they click into place . Hacking works as well . Watch runs but you can not set time and date . Any idea what might be the issue "? Can I replace the stem or do I need to source a replacement movement ?
Most of reasons are a bout logistic which could happen to any items bought on line. So what’s the point?
I think you've made a good summary of what I say in the video. I guess if people have experience collecting foreign brands that were never sold in their country they know already most what I said in the video. Say I live in Japan and I want to collect American Elgin. Same things apply
The frequency with which is happens is the difference
Who makes that military green strap on your gs? Looks cool
Could you ping me a picture on Instagram? I'm not sure what strap you are talking about
@@QuartzCrisis the one at 4:10
@@Pierozek23 that is vintage grey leather strap probably from 40s. No brand.
Where did you get the awesome hat?
check ebay, I've just put one for sale. Ping me on Instagram and I'll get you much better price on it
Wich repair guy you were talking about in europe please? I wish you a pleasant day.
I’m in US so I don’t know. But ask the guy I did “44GS vs 45GS” video
interesting video. A point about the medallion; the worn ones will original bc gold is very soft. If their looks too clean compared to the rest of the case it’s tin or some other metal. There are sellers in japan who sell them for every model.
What refs do you have? Very curious
4522-8000 45GS
the 45 series movement have a big balance wheel which requires a lot of power. this sometimes results in sheered barrel teeth. these 36000 manual wind 45s are not an everyday casual wear and tbh prob shouldn’t be fully wound regularly. 56xx autos are the safest bet. That 36000 seiko is a beautiful thing tho
Not my experience with my 45-7000 KS? But it's not a daily driver so that might help.
@@alexanderkamerbeek9693 I'm telling you its a known issue with the 45xx movements, its not my opinion. Looking for a new barrel; you'll often get a "teeth intact" note just like with 56xx day/date does or doesn't advance. Parts sellers call out the flaws if its not NOS and that barrel will be 150$ minimum because so many are out of service. chances are you'd only catch it on a time grapher or during inspection.
Love vintage GS design, just wish the movements were more like a Rolex movement with fully serviceable construction, more metal parts, better winding action, instant date change, etc.
You own a fake Rolex
They are serviceable. What do you mean? I have serviced my own King Seiko and Grand Seiko and had them serviced before I was comfortable with it myself. You use all the same tools, oils and lubricants as any vintage watch service. Some are harder than others to open (through the dial/front) so this means using a tool to pry them open, so be careful.
They're serviceable, only the 56 movement contains plastic wheels usually a couple per watch, they have instant date change.
I don’t even understand what you’re ranting about. Terrible!
Haha.. I myself thought this guy is a circus act..