Jim Cornette on The NWA's Mount Rushmore

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  • From Episode 147 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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  • @thefinnishchamp
    @thefinnishchamp 4 года назад +84

    Good question, but you can't have WWE Mount Rushmore without Bruno

    • @rude73dog
      @rude73dog 4 года назад +2

      Kwizera Moses If you don’t drop Colt for the Question mark, asses will be kicked

    • @SAM-ru4vx
      @SAM-ru4vx 4 года назад +7

      Bruno is from the regional days not the cable tv era. Sorry but he is not on my list.

    • @drg5352
      @drg5352 4 года назад +18

      Without Bruno Sammartino, the WWF would have died. He saved the then WWWF in the 60's, then was blackmailed out of retirement in the early 80's to save it from bankruptcy again during the national expansion.

    • @marcelmoreau2733
      @marcelmoreau2733 4 года назад +4

      Yes you can. Bruno on WWWF Rushmore bu not WWE. Have to consider them as different companies.

    • @alie6718
      @alie6718 4 года назад +2

      Thank you for your messages. Growing up in the late 90’s, I was only exposed to the attitude era on forward. However when going back, I’ve gained huge appreciation for 70’s and 80’s nwa and would argue that it even produced better content than what wwf had on at the time. Having said that, it’s difficult to put Cena out of the Mount Rushmore because of his overall run and contribution to the business. Hogan will also be a given. Austin is probably the most popular wrestler of all time specifically within the wrestling fans/community. And finally, I cannot find a way to remove Rocky because he was the perfect package of what the face of wrestling for the mainstream fans would look like as well as his work in such a short run which surpassed 99% of the wrestlers from any era. Having said that, Bruno deserves the recognition as well.

  • @mrg8581
    @mrg8581 4 года назад +60

    Mid to late 1980's WWF Mount Rushmore of Jobbers. "Iron" Mike Sharpe. " The Brooklyn Brawler" Steve Lombardi. Barry Horowitz and SD Jones.

    • @hkg8788
      @hkg8788 4 года назад +9

      Pete Doherty, Terry Gibbs, Mario Mancini, Steve Gatorwolf

    • @jdspreest
      @jdspreest 4 года назад +5

      Mario Mancini should be front and center of the Jobber Mt. Rushmore

    • @rasputingrigori8901
      @rasputingrigori8901 4 года назад +8

      Shame on you for omitting Duane Gill.

    • @TheSwerveShow
      @TheSwerveShow 4 года назад

      😂

    • @VivaPR21
      @VivaPR21 4 года назад +4

      “From the West Indies, SD ‘Special Delivery’ Jones!”
      Goddamn I remember that like it was yesterday....

  • @masterjay7163
    @masterjay7163 4 года назад +8

    NWA Mount Rushmore
    Lou Thez, Buddy Rodgers, Ric Flair and Harley Race

  • @thesupervisor3270
    @thesupervisor3270 4 года назад +25

    She said “tell the youngsters about Terry Funk” but your memory only goes back to Survivor Series 97? Oooooh kkkkk and Sting goes on the WCW Mount Rushmore NOT NWA

    • @SuperDevolution
      @SuperDevolution 4 года назад

      Sting, Flair, NWO (maybe?), Goldberg (maybe?). The Mount Rushmore of WCW is actually a lot harder because they were hot for such a brief period of time that it's hard to judge who belongs on it. Flair and Sting are easy for longevity, but I'm kind of meh on everyone else.

    • @douglaswilson95
      @douglaswilson95 4 года назад

      Yep

    • @cirenosnor5768
      @cirenosnor5768 4 года назад +1

      Goldberg??? C’mon

    • @natehandford5030
      @natehandford5030 4 года назад

      @@SuperDevolution It would have been Flair, Sting, DDP and Nash.
      The 80s top guy and the three 90s top guys.
      Goldberg was getting stale. Some people were chanting Goldberg sucks in the buildings.

    • @SuperDevolution
      @SuperDevolution 4 года назад

      @@natehandford5030 Nash might have booked himself for the spot, but I don't think he was ever big enough on his own. It was a package deal with the NWO. I liked DDP, but I don't think he was one of the 4 most important or biggest guys in company history. Except for the Sting/NWO angle in '97, no one in company history drew more than Goldberg in '98. He was on fire until bad booking did him in too.

  • @supmyd00d
    @supmyd00d 4 года назад +48

    It's painful to hear some of these fan emails because it seems a lot of them think wrestling began in the '80s.

    • @andrecoleman9200
      @andrecoleman9200 4 года назад +9

      @ShadowAngel I agree, Sting? Cena - get real. Blassie alone influenced the business more than these kids know

    • @tammyforbes2101
      @tammyforbes2101 4 года назад +12

      ShadowAngel actually it did cause that’s when Cable TV went main stream! Before then if you wanted to watch wrestling you had to go to a regional show yourself and watch it. The 80’s came along and cable and changed it al! Vince seen this and knew it was the way of the future. Territory’s began dying off and he just took it al over corporate style! So in a way for most but the hardcore fans it kind of did start in the 80’s for most people. Hulk brought wrestling to the masses!

    • @jenisia3600
      @jenisia3600 4 года назад +2

      This ☝

    • @andrecoleman9200
      @andrecoleman9200 4 года назад +1

      @ShadowAngel Only area I will disagree is wrestling journalists. Journalists do research

    • @supmyd00d
      @supmyd00d 4 года назад +3

      @@tammyforbes2101 You didn't have to "go" to an event to see wrestling. They aired wrestling on television in nearly every big market. It was just regional across the U.S. (WWWF in the Northeast, Georgia Championship Wrestling in Georgia, Mid-Atlantic in the Carolinas, etc.)

  • @poindexterflex3528
    @poindexterflex3528 4 года назад +5

    Cena is not in any Rushmore conversation at all.

    • @redpanda3815
      @redpanda3815 3 года назад

      Well that’s not true at all the man was a draw for years and had some amazing feuds

    • @poindexterflex3528
      @poindexterflex3528 3 года назад

      @@redpanda3815 Sure he was. Sure he did.

  • @randyshopher7146
    @randyshopher7146 4 года назад +14

    Gorgeous George made wrestling viable on tv. Sputnik Monroe was instrumental in bringing black folks into the fold.

  • @IanSane
    @IanSane 4 года назад +23

    I'll do some quick math and look up what the longest combined NWA title reigns were. The four longest are Lou Thesz, Ric Flair, Harley Race and Dory Funk Jr. That seems like a good enough Mt. Rushmore to me.

    • @johneaston918
      @johneaston918 4 года назад +1

      You could put Dusty over Funk

    • @kevinbrown-ge6sz
      @kevinbrown-ge6sz 4 года назад +2

      This is wrestling, not boxing. Title reigns shouldn't mean everything. Dusty was a bigger star than Dory and probably Harley. Even when Dusty was under contract in Florida in the mid seventies, he could be loaned out to McMahon or the Crocketts and have sell out crowds in those territories.

    • @loudenkliehr3633
      @loudenkliehr3633 4 года назад +2

      @Joe Greene You're high. Dusty drew in the AWA when he was a heel, Florida, Georgia, Detroit, WWWF/WWF (when they returned to the NWA pre-Titan), Mid Atlantic, MId South, Amarillo, and pre-World Class Dallas. I'm not real good at math but I count more than 1, maybe 2.
      Messing with you, Joe. As much as Dusty meant to 70s NWA, mainly the Southern territories, so he didn't carry the belt the way Thesz, Race, Funk Jr, and Flair when he got his chance. What I'm saying is that I agree and disagree with both of you.

    • @tempestfennac9687
      @tempestfennac9687 4 года назад

      I was thinking the same thing due to not being overly familiar with a lot of people who were active at the time (I only got into wrestling in the mid-'90s and I'm guessing none of the US promotions outside of the WWF and WCW aired stuff over here before that point). I can see Jim's point about Buddy Rogers being important but that to be more about how he changed wrestling history rather than the NWA itself.

    • @Kfowlkes09
      @Kfowlkes09 4 года назад +2

      @@johneaston918 No, you couldn't. Dory and Harley were travelling champs. Dusty wasn't. They were exposed to a much more eclectic audience.

  • @cgruthlessorder2548
    @cgruthlessorder2548 4 года назад +11

    Mount Rushmore of NWA Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race , and Lou Thesz. Honorable mention Jack Brisco very underrated wrestler

    • @csnide6702
      @csnide6702 2 года назад

      Jack Briscoe ... ! the big Indian from Oklahoma.... in NCAA he had a great hold called the pipewrench - a headlock variation.

  • @jasperdriver8546
    @jasperdriver8546 4 года назад +16

    Wahoo McDaniel was criminally underrated

    • @chadk890
      @chadk890 4 года назад

      His heel turn was bad ASS.

    • @jasperdriver8546
      @jasperdriver8546 4 года назад +1

      I thought the Crockets missed the boat big-time on a potential wahoo versus flair match at star cade 84 But going with big dust wasn’t bad either

    • @TranceMasterJack
      @TranceMasterJack 2 года назад

      I broke Wahoo's leg! 7

  • @jasonjimerson7046
    @jasonjimerson7046 4 года назад +13

    Thank you, Mr. Last for bringing up Harley Race.
    The reason why Teddy Roosevelt is on Mt. Rushmore is because he created the National Parks system which includes Mt. Rushmore.

    • @bogmon
      @bogmon 4 года назад +7

      Imagine the wasteland of America if Teddy doesn’t preserve our public lands. What a visionary. .

    • @clevelandleathermaker299
      @clevelandleathermaker299 2 года назад +1

      Let's be honest, Teddy Roosevelt wanted to make sure there would be enough animals to kill in the future, and everyone went along with it because if there wasn't any animals he'd start hunting people.

    • @tylerbushong3452
      @tylerbushong3452 2 года назад +1

      Only reason Jefferson’s on it is because of the Louisiana Purchase.

    • @michaelstagar4254
      @michaelstagar4254 2 года назад

      To be fair he was the first modern president. TR was the original 20th century president.

  • @smartphonerick
    @smartphonerick 4 года назад +34

    love these podcast from cornette..they really make my day easier

    • @rich19727
      @rich19727 4 года назад +2

      It’s still real to me damnit!

    • @noahhossman7070
      @noahhossman7070 4 года назад +3

      I have a job where I drive a lot and these podcasts definitely make the time go by.

  • @blacksmith44
    @blacksmith44 4 года назад +28

    To have a "Mount Rushmore" in the WWF without Bruno Sammartino is just wrong!

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 2 года назад +2

      Bruno, Hogan, Austin. Cena

    • @MaxxCoyote
      @MaxxCoyote 2 года назад +1

      @@yoholmes273 No way Cena goes in over Andre

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 2 года назад +1

      @@MaxxCoyote You're right. I fucked up

    • @Whatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhat
      @Whatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhat 2 года назад +1

      @@MaxxCoyote and this is what fucks the whole Rushmore question up lmao

    • @thegoughandbordenfamily8234
      @thegoughandbordenfamily8234 Год назад +1

      @@MaxxCoyote Cena is the poster boy for a crap Era. He goes nowhere near Mt rushmore

  • @Mr.Majestic77
    @Mr.Majestic77 3 года назад +6

    I think I speak everyone in saying the NWA Mount Rushmore needs to have a much bigger list lol.

  • @teapulp
    @teapulp 4 года назад +24

    Y'know, Corny really looks like Mark Mothersbaugh.

    • @ricflairslastdoobie7605
      @ricflairslastdoobie7605 4 года назад +2

      Context: Mark Mothersbaugh is an original member of Devo as well as the dude who does soundtracks including Rugrats

    • @channelynta-yourlocalpubli244
      @channelynta-yourlocalpubli244 4 года назад +1

      YES. HE. DOES.

    • @je7055
      @je7055 4 года назад +1

      Holy shit, will never be able to unsee it.

    • @sammmm87
      @sammmm87 4 года назад +1

      Thought the same thing, huge fan of both

    • @mikelong2756
      @mikelong2756 4 года назад

      And I bet your Mark from Markville Mississippi 😂

  • @SuperDevolution
    @SuperDevolution 4 года назад +10

    When they sculpted the Mount Rushmore, there were only about 30 Presidents at the time. If I'm being honest, most of them were crappy or mediocre, (Nobody's putting Buchanan, Fillmore, Pierce, Johnson, Tyler, or William Henry Harrison on anything) so it wasn't exactly a tough competition. That's why "Who's on the Mount Rushmore of X" with this level of competition never makes sense to me.

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 2 года назад +1

      Adams?

    • @williamflowers9435
      @williamflowers9435 2 года назад +1

      The real problem with making a Mt. Rushmore is that everyone thinks it’s the 4 best…
      Washington represents the birth/founding of the nation
      Jefferson… the expansion of the nation (Louisiana purchase, manifest destiny)
      Lincoln… the unity of the nation (holding it together thru civil war and reunification)
      Roosevelt… the nation becoming a world power (acquired territories, Spanish American War)

  • @mr.mirchenstein6549
    @mr.mirchenstein6549 3 года назад +2

    Can’t forget about Ed The Strangler Lewis either….That’s why these lists are impossible. Wrestling has been around for too long for just 4 names…

  • @jonbaird8835
    @jonbaird8835 4 года назад +27

    Mount Rushmore of NWA? Ric Flair, Terry Funk, Harley Race, and Dusty Rhodes. Sting was GREAT. Once in a generation talent; but Harley Race has GOT to be there.

    • @shanebagin
      @shanebagin 3 года назад +2

      You have the same Mt. Rushmore as me.

    • @Herbert_Rudolf
      @Herbert_Rudolf 2 года назад +6

      If you dont put Lou Thesz on a NWA Mount Rushmore you are out of your mind

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 Год назад

      take terry funk out

    • @EddieHenderson92
      @EddieHenderson92 11 месяцев назад

      @@mike04574 NO

    • @sonic-qh7ed
      @sonic-qh7ed 9 месяцев назад

      harley race is no.1. no doubt.

  • @davidlayne4147
    @davidlayne4147 4 года назад +4

    Allie from Toronto, Ontario? Is The Bunny stalking Jim? Maybe she's taking knowledge of real wrestling back to AEW.

  • @210Dinero
    @210Dinero 4 года назад +29

    WWE: Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Cena
    NWA: Thesz, Rodgers, Harley, Flair

    • @wackozackoyt
      @wackozackoyt 4 года назад +3

      This is spot on

    • @thefranchise2356
      @thefranchise2356 4 года назад +11

      Can't support it. I'd yank Cena and put Rock up there.
      Rock transcended the business even when he was active and continues to.

    • @scooobydoo27
      @scooobydoo27 4 года назад +5

      Taker has to be on there.

    • @bryanmurphy1107
      @bryanmurphy1107 4 года назад +2

      @Joe Greene longevity though, Taker drew serious money over the years and sold s shit tonne of merchandise

    • @rude73dog
      @rude73dog 4 года назад +1

      Joe Greene Andre was worldwide favorite. Hard to put him in one company

  • @TheSaveme1
    @TheSaveme1 4 года назад +2

    WWE
    André the Giant
    Hulk Hogan
    Steve Austin
    The Rock

  • @whitebathroomguy
    @whitebathroomguy 3 года назад +1

    NWA mount Rushmore.. Bill Mulkey, Randy Barber, George South and Thunderfoot...Ray Traylor as a jobber to Tully Blanchard before becoming big bubba Rogers...lol

  • @fmthebaron
    @fmthebaron 4 года назад +1

    Rock and Austin don't deserve to be on there since they were only big stars for 5 years basically (1998-2002). HBK and Undertaker deserve to be on there more than anyone for being loyal in WWE throughout everything, 80's (HBK coming in 87), (Taker starting in 90) 90's, 2000's, 2010's, till now in 2020 where HBK is teaching NXT students and Undertaker had just wrestled at WM.

  • @Herbert_Rudolf
    @Herbert_Rudolf 2 года назад +1

    WWE Mount Rushmore: Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, John Cena

  • @northleedspoppa
    @northleedspoppa 2 месяца назад +1

    Londis/thesz/flair/race
    That was incredibly easy
    (Nw association/NW alliance)

  • @darklordojeda
    @darklordojeda 4 года назад +1

    The guy who wrote in is a chump. He's listened to 10 hours of Cornette, well damn that certainly gives him precedent to have his cliche Mount Rushmore. He listed the guys that even non wrestling fans know. Should have called this chump out.

  • @trapmontana9440
    @trapmontana9440 4 года назад +12

    The many faces of Jim

    • @pabsts____3964
      @pabsts____3964 3 года назад

      Looks like Jim turns into JJ Dillon.

  • @eugeneturner8666
    @eugeneturner8666 4 года назад +3

    Lou thesz
    Flair
    Race
    Funk jr

    • @subalbiswas1608
      @subalbiswas1608 4 года назад

      How many times are u going to comment that 😅

  • @unchainamv2912
    @unchainamv2912 4 года назад +3

    Harley race is on my nwa rushmore

  • @TheMagnificentMongoSlade
    @TheMagnificentMongoSlade 4 года назад +9

    The WWF Mt. Rushmore needs to feature Andre as well. So Bruno, Hulk, Andre and Austin.

    • @christophmatthews4313
      @christophmatthews4313 4 года назад +2

      Perfect.

    • @mikegatti3349
      @mikegatti3349 4 года назад

      Tough to disagree

    • @ikill4klondikebars
      @ikill4klondikebars 4 года назад

      Andre and not Taker?

    • @bogmon
      @bogmon 4 года назад +1

      Andre carried wrestling into a whole new level. Hogan isnt even Hogan without the Andre match at Wrestlemania. Kids like me grew up watching him on old black and white tvs wrestling three jobbers at a time. It was a glorious freak show

    • @madddoggnogood1491
      @madddoggnogood1491 4 года назад

      WWF/E : Hogan, Taker, Rock , Austin or Hogan, Andre, Rock Austin
      Professional Wrestling History: Flair, Rock , Austin, Undertaker

  • @davidmurray6949
    @davidmurray6949 4 года назад +1

    Terrible picks..... It should Jim Londos, Lou Thesz, Rick Flair, Harley Race NWA . WWE Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Undertaker

  • @someparts
    @someparts 4 года назад +3

    Got clear to the end but the TDS still there. SAD

  • @stephencraft2618
    @stephencraft2618 4 года назад +5

    All time:
    Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Bruno Sammartino and Lou Thesz

    • @blacksmith44
      @blacksmith44 4 года назад

      You have to put Sammartino ahead of everyone else, because his reign is longer than theirs!

    • @Mister75199
      @Mister75199 4 года назад

      You cant leave out Harley Race

    • @Herbert_Rudolf
      @Herbert_Rudolf 2 года назад +1

      Actually should be: Lou Thesz, Jim Londos, Ric Flair and The Undertaker

  • @n0m4nic
    @n0m4nic 4 года назад +2

    Mt Rushmore is less a best of but rather a most prominant. Washington was the first president, Jefferson authored the Deceleration of Independence, Lincoln reunified the states, and Roosevelt created the parks system where the monument stands.
    NWA
    Lou Thesz- most prominent champion
    Verne Gagne- Biggest unofficial champion
    Orville Brown- first champion
    Buddy Rogers (as far from Thesz as possible)- major gimmick champion
    WWE
    Bruno Samartino- first original champion
    Hulk Hogan- brought wrestling to a mainstream audience
    Andre The Giant- biggest spectacle champion
    Stone Cold Steve Austin- initiated the most profitable wrestling period
    WCW
    Ric Flair-first champion
    Sting- the WCW guy champion
    Ron Simmons- first black champion
    Hollywood Hogan- NWO champion

    • @n0m4nic
      @n0m4nic 4 года назад

      @@Asfgxff The monument is of the first 130 years and who expanded or preserved the union. Theoretically, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Jackson, and Ulysses S Grant would be equally applicable. The worst Roosevelt did was get Woodrow Wilson elected, and our textbooks still suffer because of it, but the progressives of the time was far different from what we have today. Hell, their emphasis on muckraking would have a field day with the media we have now, and there would be a firm boot in the ass of big tech right now.

  • @madddoggnogood1491
    @madddoggnogood1491 4 года назад +4

    For me
    WWF/E: Hogan, Rock, Austin, Undertaker
    Honorable mentions: Savage, Andre, Cena, Lesnar, HBK, Bret Hart
    WCW/JCP/GCW: Sting, Flair, Vader, Dusty
    Honorable mentions: Luger, Steamboat, The Steiners
    ECW: RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Tazz, The Dudleys
    Honorable mentions: Sabu, Sandman, Raven, Rhyno
    TNA/IMPACT : AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Sting
    Honorable mentions: Jeff Hardy, EC3, Bobby Roode, Christian Cage
    NJPW: Inoki, Muta, Liger, Tanahashi
    Honorable mentions: Fujanami, Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura
    ROH: Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Jay Lethal, Nigel Mcguiness
    Honorable mentions: Kevin Steen, The Briscoes, The Young Bucks, Adam Cole, Tyler Black
    Professional Wrestling History: Flair, Austin, Rock, Undertaker
    Honorable mentions: Dusty, Andre, Hogan, Savage

    • @DC-wh2yk
      @DC-wh2yk 4 года назад

      good list dude only I think I might have Bruno in WWF/E

    • @chrishickey2151
      @chrishickey2151 4 года назад

      Professional Wrestling History - Add Bruno and subtract Rock. Bruno held the belt for 10 years Rock had 8 title Reigns that averaged 45 days each.

    • @madddoggnogood1491
      @madddoggnogood1491 4 года назад

      @@chrishickey2151 so what???
      This is my list do your own.
      Rock stays on mine

    • @sammmm87
      @sammmm87 4 года назад

      Lol how does the rock make any of these ? Hes just your favorite wrestler?

    • @robertsexton2965
      @robertsexton2965 4 года назад +1

      Well you left out the AWA

  • @Ratmann8436
    @Ratmann8436 4 года назад +2

    WWE: Bruno. Hogan. Austin. Cena.
    NWA: Thesz. Harley. Dusty. Flair.

  • @fearthescarecrow666
    @fearthescarecrow666 4 года назад +6

    Best way to do the Mt Rushmore argument is to do it by decade. 60s 70s 80s 90s 00s and 10s. Cause honestly its always gonna change

    • @nickonite
      @nickonite 3 года назад

      Here's a question for you. Guys like Hogan, Taker, Shawn, and AJ Styles who have been on top in multiple decades. Which decade would you correlate each to.

    • @shubhamdeshpande6320
      @shubhamdeshpande6320 3 года назад

      @@nickonite hogan 80s, taker 90s and 2000s, Shawn 90s, AJ 2010s

    • @LanceJ.
      @LanceJ. Год назад

      @@nickonite AJ styles lol

    • @EddieHenderson92
      @EddieHenderson92 11 месяцев назад

      Too much, best way to do it is your pre-1984 territory day wrestlers Mount Rushmore and a separate for the WWF/E guys starting with what Hogan kicked off in 1984.

  • @siddhanth3044
    @siddhanth3044 4 года назад +4

    Sting on the NWA Rushmore doesn't work. On the WCW Mt. Rushmore, he would be on there first.

    • @sgtraytango
      @sgtraytango 4 года назад

      But then who else would go on it? Vader? Hogan? It wasn't him who turned business around, it was the nWo so maybe Nash or Hall? And then there'd be the later years when the younger wrestlers dominated the locker room, so who'd represent that? Booker T? Scott Steiner? Jeff Jarrett? Rey Mysterio Jr.?

    • @brianpizza1344
      @brianpizza1344 4 года назад

      How the nwa blonde hair sting was more popping than flair at the time

    • @Assenayo
      @Assenayo 4 года назад

      WCW mount Rushmore would be Sting, Flair, Goldberg and unfortunately, Hollywood Hogan

  • @philiphowell6336
    @philiphowell6336 3 года назад +3

    When I think of NWA I think of Ric Flair, he should definitely be on there.

  • @terryengland3212
    @terryengland3212 4 года назад +3

    HARLEY RACE for sure imo!

  • @Katie_The_Libra
    @Katie_The_Libra 4 года назад +1

    Wwf should be bruno, Hulk, Austin, and Cena

  • @martyc909
    @martyc909 4 года назад +3

    NWA: 1948-1988
    Lou Thesz
    Ric Flair
    Harley Race
    Dory Funk Jr.
    WWF: 1963-2002 (I’m ending WWF in 2002, because after WWF bought WCW and became WWE, it was a different business. Just like we are not adding the Pioneer days pre-1952, the modern era is a different business and harder to compare.)
    Bruno Sammartino
    Hulk Hogan
    Steve Austin
    Pedro Morales
    For shits and giggles, the Pioneer Era (kayfab part only, not the half shoot maybe it was a work era pre-1919):
    Ed Lewis
    Jim Londos
    Joe Stecher
    Gorgeous George

    • @martyc909
      @martyc909 3 года назад

      This might be the most perfect list I’ve ever seen for these Mt. Rushmore questions

    • @Herbert_Rudolf
      @Herbert_Rudolf 2 года назад

      Pre 1919 Era would be: Joe Stecher, Frank Gotch, George Hackenscmidt, Martin Burns

    • @martyc909
      @martyc909 2 года назад

      @@Herbert_Rudolf you are right… lol, why did I add Gorgeous George, knowing he’s post-1919.

    • @Herbert_Rudolf
      @Herbert_Rudolf 2 года назад

      @@martyc909 maybe cuz you didn’t read your comment properly but also why did you answer your own comment?

    • @martyc909
      @martyc909 2 года назад

      @@Herbert_Rudolf honestly, I think I was responding to someone else who’s comment disappeared, or they were banned or something.

  • @matthewpearlingi3332
    @matthewpearlingi3332 4 года назад +8

    WWE mount rushmore..Undertaker,Austin,Hogan,Bruno..All pillars in the success of that company..

    • @tevinlandry1885
      @tevinlandry1885 4 года назад +1

      As much as I love Taker, he's not on that Mt Rushmore. Rock has gotta be on there instead.

    • @matthewpearlingi3332
      @matthewpearlingi3332 4 года назад +1

      @@tevinlandry1885 I pick undertaker because of he was a star on the wwe roster allmost 30 years.He has respect all through the industry,he drew money for the company for a long long time.The Rock is an icon.But he left the company and became a movie megastar.The Undertaker never left.

    • @wackozackoyt
      @wackozackoyt 4 года назад +1

      Taker was always A star, but he was never THE star. There are several people I'd put on before taker

    • @tevinlandry1885
      @tevinlandry1885 4 года назад

      @@matthewpearlingi3332 great points. I'm not hating on your choices, I love lists like these. It's fun to see which wrestlers and eras fans were most influenced by.

  • @Timmyk5150
    @Timmyk5150 4 года назад +5

    Screw Mt Rushmores, do top 10s instead. Mine in no particular order:
    WWF/E
    1. Antonio Rocca
    2. Bruno Sammartino
    3. Bob Backlund
    4. Hulk Hogan
    5. Macho Man Randy Savage
    6. Bret Hart
    7. Steve Austin
    8. The Rock
    9. Triple H
    10 John Cena
    NWA (not the hip hop group, lol)
    1. Lou Thesz
    2. Gene Kiniski
    3. Dory Funk Jr.
    4. Harley Race
    5. Jack Brisco
    6. Terry Funk
    7. Pat O'Connor
    8. Buddy Rogers
    9. Dusty Rhodes
    10. Ric Flair

    • @kevinpayton2664
      @kevinpayton2664 4 года назад

      Top ten lists are better. Your lists are pretty good.

    • @blacksmith44
      @blacksmith44 4 года назад

      I would have put Pat O'connor ahead of Jack Brisco and Terry Funk.. but that's me!

  • @MrJjburgess11
    @MrJjburgess11 4 года назад +1

    What about WCW Rushmore?
    Hollywood Hogan
    Sting
    Flair
    Goldberg?

  • @Briansgate
    @Briansgate 4 года назад +2

    Main problem with people, like the person that sent the mail, only pull from what they saw, or in recent memory. Like Corny said, where was Bruno? Buddy Rodgers? Harley Race? they only picked people withing 30 years of each other. You gotta branch out if you're going to do a list like that.

  • @brewer921
    @brewer921 3 года назад +2

    A better question would be ... What would be your dream promotion -- 10 or so singles wrestlers and 10 or so tag teams?

  • @stevew7571
    @stevew7571 2 года назад +1

    got to have Harley Race on that list

  • @mrpants5462
    @mrpants5462 4 года назад +3

    Wwe: mantar, phantaso, red rooster, Isaac yankum

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 4 года назад

      Damn no room for Brooklyn Brawler?

    • @daleharris3809
      @daleharris3809 4 года назад

      I was gonna include Giant Gonzales but his head would require a separate mountain

  • @jeffreyfreeman4843
    @jeffreyfreeman4843 4 года назад +1

    Bruno, Flair, Hogan and The Rock.

  • @eugeneturner8666
    @eugeneturner8666 4 года назад +2

    Denny hodge

    • @timmylong833
      @timmylong833 4 года назад

      Kwizera Moses excellent take sir

  • @VivaPR21
    @VivaPR21 4 года назад +1

    WWF/WWE Mount Rushmore: Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock, Undertaker
    I understand about Bruno but Bruno never achieved what the others did.
    NWA Mount Rushmore: Thesz, Flair, Harley Race and Dusty.

    • @Kfowlkes09
      @Kfowlkes09 4 года назад +1

      No, you don't understand Bruno if that's your opinion. Without Bruno the WWE wouldn't have been able to build a platform for those guys to stand on.

  • @julezjohn5785
    @julezjohn5785 4 года назад +1

    WWE=Hogan, Savage, Stone Cold, Rock

  • @robfinlay8058
    @robfinlay8058 2 года назад

    WWF: Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Rock.
    NWA: Thesz, Brisco, Race, Flair
    WCW: Flair, Sting, Hogan, Goldberg
    AWA: Verne, Crusher, Mad Dog Vachon, Bockwinkel
    ECW: Terry Funk, Sabu, Sandman, Raven
    TNA: Jarrett, Styles, Angle, Samoa Joe,
    ROH: Samoa Joe, Danielson, McGuinness, Jay Lethal

  • @davidfrederick6003
    @davidfrederick6003 4 года назад

    1948 yes the NWA was born, WHY are you dating 1948 thru 1988? Heck we as fans did not known there was a sale of (JCP) but with the eventual name change to WCW BUT NWA returns in Japan in 1992, followed by NWA cedes from WCW in 1993 or is that the other way around. Did NWA continue as an combined organization thru 1994 with your SMW. Why did you keep twice or more keep saying 1948-1988? It was JCP that was sold to Turner but JCP dates back to 1935 so how is 1988 an end date when you its obvious your related it to the sale of JCP and NOT the NWA which Ive always contradicted was an organization "meeting" of the territories. Yes Crockett bough out most of the territories so its sale marks your 1988 as a conclusion of the NWA. Spite NWA continued into the early 1990s. WHEW! Done typing LOL

  • @williamflowers9435
    @williamflowers9435 3 года назад +1

    Harley Race needs to be on there

  • @dburse66
    @dburse66 29 дней назад

    Sting would still be on my Mount Rushmore for the NWA. I would have Lou Thesz, Harley Race, Ric Flair, and Sting!

  • @tobiasfarragut292
    @tobiasfarragut292 4 года назад +1

    Sorry Lou, We gotta get Sting 🦂on there

  • @georges4835
    @georges4835 4 года назад +2

    Love to know who Jim’s Mount Rushmore would be from current wrestlers (apart from mjf)

  • @drewdobbins9756
    @drewdobbins9756 4 года назад +1

    What is the Mount Rushmore of wrestling factions? How about that? 4 Horsemen, NWO, DX, ?, ?, ?

    • @kevinpayton2664
      @kevinpayton2664 4 года назад

      Great question. I really can't think of a fourth. Maybe the Fabulous Freebirds?

    • @markmelo2779
      @markmelo2779 4 года назад

      Bullet Club maybe

  • @ian0143
    @ian0143 4 года назад +17

    Trump is living in Jim's head rent free.

    • @ferox965
      @ferox965 4 года назад +5

      Obama is living in Trump's head rent free...

    • @n0m4nic
      @n0m4nic 4 года назад

      ​@T. S. So I was curious and found a Newsweek article that said the amount of American soldiers has been the highest in the last 6 years at 31. The article was from 2017. That would mean we were at a six month high, from when they had spiked last time in the third year of his direct predecessor's 8 year presidency. Trump was as bad as Obama.

    • @thedude4672
      @thedude4672 4 года назад +2

      He's living in the head of anyone who cares about American democracy until January 2021, when he is no longer in the White House and we're done with the nutter.

    • @AsDfler12
      @AsDfler12 4 года назад

      @Fencepost Turtle are you serious lol

  • @AGH69
    @AGH69 Год назад

    NWA Mount Rushmore writes itself. Surfer Sting, Dark-Haired Sting, Crow Sting and Wolfpac Sting.

  • @walterhager8626
    @walterhager8626 Месяц назад

    Know he'd be way down on the list but being fr[m Kentucky I'd have to put the Boogie Woogie man down Handsome Jimmy Valient❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Jason-pn8qk
    @Jason-pn8qk 24 дня назад

    Surprised they didn't try to distinguish between WWF/E and WWWF given they operated under differnt philosophies and promoters.

  • @understandthat9817
    @understandthat9817 4 года назад

    WWE Bruno, Hogan, Undertaker, Austin.
    NWA Briscoe, Flair,
    Dusty, Sting.

  • @thegoughandbordenfamily8234
    @thegoughandbordenfamily8234 Год назад

    That fan leaving Thez out is funny. Leave it to kids who think Cena or Andre or Rock deserve to be on the WWE Mt Rushmore. Over Hogan, Savage and Austin. Just no.

  • @nunyabidness7463
    @nunyabidness7463 4 года назад +1

    NWA Lou Thez, Harley Race, Ric Flair have to be on there. 4th is debatable

  • @christhornycroft3686
    @christhornycroft3686 Год назад

    NWA's Mount Rushmore would have to include Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes, right? I don't know how far back we want to go. The Canadian in me wants to say Gene Kiniski because I met the guy in the 90s when I was doing late night swims preparing for Paralympic Trials. He was really banged up by then and spent most of the time chatting up the lifeguards (who were, to be fair, really hot, as Vancouver area girls tend to be and multicultural), but he was still Gene Kiniski and my dad used to tell me stories about him wrestling in the Agrodome at the PNE. Seemed like a terrific guy and still a ladies man even at that age. I guess we can throw Lou Thesz and Harley Race in there as well. I wasn't old enough to see those guys wrestle live, but I saw the matches later and even though the presentation didn't translate well to the 1990s at that time, I could see they knew what they were doing and there was an element of psychology there. Those guys looked like they came to fight, not show off and pander to the crowd while delivering fake looking punches. Certainly there was showboating back then, but back then guys took the business seriously and actually attempted to make everything look legitimate. Nobody was winking at the camera and breaking the 4th wall, which from what I can tell truly started with Hulk Hogan and his ilk in the 80s. The moment you hear "brother" in wrestling, you know you're being completely worked and the illusion is gone. I believe it was Tod Gordon who screwed over an absolutely flawless promo from Brian Pillman in ECW, when he said "that wasn't part of the deal, brother." Come on, man. You could even see Brian lose his focus for a moment with the whole cowering in the corner thing before regaining it and spitting on the planted fan. If you don't know what you're doing, leave it to the pros. As a kid, I remember that promo in '96 and had been told wrestling was a work, but that segment made me question as a 15 year old if this particular wrestling promotion was real. Obviously, we got the nearly uncensored version here in Canada and it was wild.

  • @bogmon
    @bogmon 4 года назад +2

    How is Andre the Giant not mentioned anywhere. He carried wrestling into the mainstream television era. He was a legendary draw.

    • @markmelo2779
      @markmelo2779 4 года назад +2

      Probably because he never stayed in one promotion for very long.

  • @garyhen2028
    @garyhen2028 2 года назад

    I mean honestly, in my mount Rushmore, it would be, vinnymac, Jim Cornette, Eric bischoff and Paul Heyman. Because without these guys, wrestling would not have been this mainstream and popular. Vinnymac due to the sheer size of the business as a whole, corny due to keeping the root of professional wrestling going even in change! Heyman due to bringing that edgier type to mainstream, and bischoff for being the first and ONLY guy to take it too WWE for so long. These 4 guys are the real reason wrestling is as big as it got and for where it is now. I can't imagine the sheer shift wrestling would take if any of these 4 were gone! It would really hurt and change my life big time if we lost any of them. Obviously I'm not talking talent because, that is based on your own opinion. But for what really matters, there is the top 4, thank you to all I've mentioned here. I could have put Khan here too but, he really hasn't done much as far as impacting the wrestling world in terms of a span of history except bringing punk back and maybe opening the door to a variety of other wrestling styles of the world to America, but vinnymac was doing it before Khan did with Rey Mysterio, the harts, Barrett and dunne, Walter, asuka and Nakamura. So Khan maybe one day, but do something massive, that has not been done in a long time or ever done, maybe in 15-20 years then I guess he'd be the 5th.

  • @jakubwidlarz
    @jakubwidlarz 3 месяца назад

    I'd say the all-time Mount Rushmore of Memphis would be: Sputnik Monroe, Jackie Fargo, Dundee, and Lawler.

  • @masterj4777
    @masterj4777 4 года назад

    Let me help you out NWA Rushmore Flair, Rhodes, Thez, rogers!! WWF Rushmore Bruno, Hart, Hogan, Andrea!! End of story!! 👍

  • @gtor2286
    @gtor2286 Год назад

    NWA : Ric Flair, Harley Race, Jack Brisco, and Lou Thesz. Honorable mentions to Terry Funk, Dory Funk Jr and Buddy Rogers.

  • @yoholmes273
    @yoholmes273 2 года назад

    NWA - Lou Thesz, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes.
    WWE - Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Taker

  • @n4l734
    @n4l734 4 года назад +1

    Jim Cornette is the God of Wrestling!!!! When he dies a piece of wrestling will die with him.

  • @UnitedForeverWeStand
    @UnitedForeverWeStand 4 года назад +3

    Love the show really has a lot of detail and stories.

  • @televiper11
    @televiper11 8 месяцев назад

    Thesz, Race, Briscoe, Flair / Bruno, Backlund, Hogan, Austin

  • @jonathon862
    @jonathon862 Год назад

    Sting😂. I grew up on the guy like everyone 30-40, but If you do the research, he was the worst drawing NWA champion of all time at the point that he dropped it to Flair.

  • @wespalmore9263
    @wespalmore9263 2 года назад

    WWE: Vince, Bruno, Hogan, Austin
    NWA: Thesz, Race, Briscoe, Flair

  • @carloslozada470
    @carloslozada470 4 года назад +1

    Apparently Mt Rushmore is offensive to the native Americans yo

    • @thedude4672
      @thedude4672 4 года назад

      Imagine that a whole race of people different from your own came into your house, slaughtered your family, and then carved four of their heroes into your most sacred area or thing that you cherish as sacred.
      That's why.

  • @Bootcamp4
    @Bootcamp4 2 года назад

    NWA Mount Rushmore Lou,Buddy,Harley,Flair
    WWF/E Bruno,Andre,Hogan,Austin

  • @theoregonguy
    @theoregonguy 4 года назад +13

    These really are impossible lists to finalize, so many wrestlers had different impacts on the business at different times. We can't go on ticket sales, because of arena sizes, and inaccurate reporting for taxes/paydays. There's no way to measure merchandise sales for earlier wrestlers, or attendance for free spot shows either.

    • @magnusyarbrough5527
      @magnusyarbrough5527 4 года назад +2

      unfortunately we have to work with what we got. i think the only qualifier here would be inflation, market size, and market share. like yeah cena draws tons of dollars nominally, but he was also the guy whenever only wwe existed in terms of national tv on majour networks.

    • @dominicomegon4714
      @dominicomegon4714 4 года назад

      It's not impossible. Just very difficult.

  • @UnnameableGreviance
    @UnnameableGreviance 5 месяцев назад

    If you were to have one for who made wrestling what it is today: Toots Mont, Gorgeous George, Riki Dousan, Vincent K. McMahon.

  • @mr.mirchenstein6549
    @mr.mirchenstein6549 3 года назад

    How do you have these lists without ANDRE THE GIANT? Harley Race….The Undertaker….Thesz, Rogers, Rocca…

  • @worldoutreachchristiancent7464

    WWWF Mount Rushmore: Buddy Rogers, Bruno Sammartino, The Graham Brothers, Antonino Rocca.

  • @Search4theYeti79
    @Search4theYeti79 4 года назад +8

    WWE: Sammartino, Hogan, Austin, Rock
    NWA: Thez, Race, Flair, Rhodes
    AWA: Gange, Bockwinkle, Lawler, Perfect
    ECW: Van Damn, Dreamer, Sabu, New Jack

    • @thomaskrug9277
      @thomaskrug9277 4 года назад +2

      The only changes I would make to this list (with respect to your opinion) would be WWE Undertaker instead of Rock, and ECW Shane Douglas instead of New Jack. But that's just me.

    • @dominicomegon4714
      @dominicomegon4714 4 года назад +1

      Putting New Jack over Sandman is a ballsy take. lol

    • @madbrowniac7871
      @madbrowniac7871 4 года назад +1

      ECW: Douglas, Dreamer, Raven, and Taz.B.W.

    • @thomaskrug9277
      @thomaskrug9277 4 года назад +1

      @@madbrowniac7871 can't believe I forgot Raven or Taz

    • @bobbeckey6941
      @bobbeckey6941 4 года назад

      you take cornette to seriously. were you even alive for bruno? and Lawler? the rock?

  • @DavidLucas-oj6ju
    @DavidLucas-oj6ju 4 года назад

    NWA MOUNTRUSHMORE LIST Lou Thez Ric Flair Harley Race and Dusty Rhodes

  • @nolimitx6887
    @nolimitx6887 10 месяцев назад

    I’m pretty young but I watch a insane amount of wrestling but am I missing something where ric flair isn’t a given with Mount Rushmore… the man literally is 80s wrestling

  • @danielvrodriguez81
    @danielvrodriguez81 4 года назад

    Sting was more popular in WCW. He didn't travel as champion into the territories. No way should be in NWA Mount Rushmore.

  • @lyricsanonymous9036
    @lyricsanonymous9036 3 года назад

    Bruno, Andre, Hogan, Austin
    Thesz, Brisco, Race, Flair

  • @dinos6231
    @dinos6231 4 года назад

    Off topic but who else shares same opinion?.....nwa had 3 tag teams better then wwf best option (hart foundation)
    Road warriors midnight express steiner Bros all better

  • @csnide6702
    @csnide6702 2 года назад

    Ric Flair , Harley Race , then argue about the rest..... for me it's Terry Funk and Jack Briscoe.

  • @Kingsc84
    @Kingsc84 4 года назад +1

    I was about to say what about Harley Race. I’m only 36 and don’t know how I remembered in was NWA lol.

    • @jasonvoorhees6416
      @jasonvoorhees6416 3 года назад

      Mr race is that you ? What are you doing?…………… fucking

  • @worldoutreachchristiancent7464

    NWA Mount Rushmore: Buddy Rogers, Lou Thesz, Ric Flair, Harley Race.

  • @zekun4741
    @zekun4741 4 года назад +7

    Washington - Lou Thesz
    Jefferson - Bruno Samartino
    Lincoln - Hulk Hogan
    Roosevelt - Steve Austin

    • @dolandarkxgrandayy6953
      @dolandarkxgrandayy6953 4 года назад +5

      Hogan is too racist to be Lincoln lol

    • @CactusInsane
      @CactusInsane 4 года назад

      @@dolandarkxgrandayy6953 you sir made my day 😂😂😂😂

    • @mikegatti3349
      @mikegatti3349 4 года назад

      Good list, I have Andre instead of Austin

  • @DavidLucas-oj6ju
    @DavidLucas-oj6ju 4 года назад

    WWF/WWE Mount Rushmore Bruno Sanmartino Undertaker Triple H and Randy Orton

  • @roberthealey7739
    @roberthealey7739 4 года назад

    NWA Lou Thesz Harley Race Ric Flair Dusty Rhodes
    WWE Bruno Hogan Rock Austin

  • @lyylski
    @lyylski 2 года назад

    Sting makes the WCW Rushmore absolutely but it's ridiculous to include him in the NWA mountain.

  • @johngallagher72
    @johngallagher72 4 года назад +1

    Thez, Flair, Rogers, Race, Jack Brisco

    • @johngallagher72
      @johngallagher72 4 года назад

      @nw 45 yes ..sorry aboot that...forgive my ignorance as I'm Canadian and we hate excluding anyone eh ...let me swig my Molsons and take a bite of my beaver tail while I think of who I would leave out... I guess the hoser that gets left off would be Brisco eh ?

  • @magnusyarbrough5527
    @magnusyarbrough5527 4 года назад

    leave off cena or the rock? cena easily. the man is singlehandedly responsible for the biggest decline in ratings since world war 2. not one year did he raise wwe ratings, yeah maybe he makes more nominal dollars but he also was the guy during the time when only the wwe was national wrestling on majour networks, also a smaller audience spending more money. theres many other reasons i could list if i had to think about this.