Strauss' Earth-shattering Dissonance

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
  • It really isn't a hyperbole. This chord in the final scene of Strauss' Salome Op.54 has been called "the most sickening chord in all opera". One of my teachers constantly recalls the moment he'd heard this chord live and it had literally shocked him out of his sleep. I myself recently went to watch Salome in Paris and I can testify to the incredibly horrifying effect this chord alone can produce.
    Of course, that's probably what Strauss had wanted - a cacophonic representation of lust, revulsion, horror and doom all at once. Salome kisses Jochanaan's severed head and the 2-hour long opera reaches its greatest climax. Essentially the bottom harmony of the chord could be replaced with the V7 chord and the melody would make sense in that context, the genius is combining that same melody with another chord that also has an attraction strong enough towards the I chord - the Italian 6 in this case. A and G both resolve outwards to the G sharp in the resolution and the C sharp is a common tone.
    A few leitmotifs are used in this final scene: the "kiss" motif which is played whenever Salome expresses her desire to kiss Jochanaan, the "desire" motif which is a rather romantic descent of four notes and Salome's leitmotif itself which is played by the clarinet at the very beginning of the opera - a light, graceful flourish.
    Recording (Stratas, Vienna Philharmonic): • Strauss Salome final s...

Комментарии • 116

  • @inthedesert2008
    @inthedesert2008 3 месяца назад +66

    So Strauss sits down, and he thinks, how can I capture the grotesque, lust of an evil woman, and make sure this music sounds nothing like the beautiful chords of Rosenkavalier. I know, I will write an utterly gorgeous melody and chordal progression, but I'll throw in an appalling atonal clash amongst the lush yearning chords. He was truly a genius. No one has equalled his mastery of the romantic art, even with the advent of so many film composers of quality, none come remotely close to his ability to 'invent' the most incredible image painting with music. We are so lucky to have experienced his genius.

    • @celloguy
      @celloguy 3 месяца назад +10

      Except Rosenkavalier was still 5 years in the future!

    • @jrneal1220
      @jrneal1220 Месяц назад +1

      @@celloguy And Salome isn't evil. Especially when one thinks about what she has likely suffered at the hands of Herod before the opera begins...

  • @cgnotes
    @cgnotes 3 месяца назад +116

    her vibrato gets SO HUGE at 1 minute in holy shitt

  • @owenbishop6544
    @owenbishop6544 3 месяца назад +83

    Strauss is woefully under appreciated. Not just his chords but also his key changes are at times incredibly magical. Mahler, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff were also, in my opinion, able to pack an otherworldly amount of emotion into single chords/key changes

    • @olliemartinelli4034
      @olliemartinelli4034 3 месяца назад +6

      Absolutely, his chord progressions are otherworldly, really take you by surprise in the best way possible

    • @ToxicTurtleIsMad
      @ToxicTurtleIsMad 2 месяца назад

      Rach doesnt belong

    • @owenbishop6544
      @owenbishop6544 2 месяца назад +5

      @@ToxicTurtleIsMad listen to the first version of his second sonata, the chord(s) that came to mind for me was at the climax of the last movement. Probably the most emotive piano climax that I’ve ever heard

    • @owenbishop6544
      @owenbishop6544 2 месяца назад +4

      @@ToxicTurtleIsMad in addition, the rest of the sonata is filled with many less intense but equally emotional chords

  • @andreasderoo8129
    @andreasderoo8129 3 месяца назад +154

    I love how you just wrote ???, which just made perfect sense for me

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +30

      I don't think I could've expressed it better

    • @itamarbar9580
      @itamarbar9580 3 месяца назад +5

      V9(-5 b9 add13)/bII with some dissonant voicing. Somehow I forgot this was Strauss and expected an Ivesian nightmare of a chord, so I thank Strauss for this relatively tame, easy to understand chord.

    • @oibruv3889
      @oibruv3889 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@itamarbar9580 although I think contrapuntal investigation is the only serious answer, this is much more akin to a common tone augmented 6th chord. Read Harmony and Voice leading by aldwell and schacter, it will better prepare you for passages like this. (i know that it is not written as an aug 6 but as a 7th, however I'm sure you can see that it is best understood as an F double sharp, just like the errant Bb close to the end of chopins E minor prelude)

    • @itamarbar9580
      @itamarbar9580 3 месяца назад

      @@oibruv3889 huh. Interesting ideas! Regarding it as an Fx really does take things into a different perspective! I am learning harmony but by the rules of Sadai. I'll take another look and come back.

    • @itamarbar9580
      @itamarbar9580 3 месяца назад

      @@oibruv3889 mid-thought: Ok, It6 makes sense in the roots, but how do you categorize the right hand into the chord?

  • @Johnwilkinsonofficial
    @Johnwilkinsonofficial 3 месяца назад +39

    strauss is still so underrated. effortlessly harmonically inventive.

    • @georgie5700
      @georgie5700 2 месяца назад +1

      He was definitely not during his lifetime. His association with Nazism might have something to do with him being pushed into oblivion nowadays. He was such a revolutionary composer

  • @heinedietiker4943
    @heinedietiker4943 2 месяца назад +21

    Salomé was very controversial. A journalist asked Strauss if he had any regrets. Strauss: "Why? I financed my villa in Garmisch from this scandal."

    • @replyhere590
      @replyhere590 Месяц назад +5

      My My, How very German practical he was. Hold your head high and show up your detractors! Bravo!

  • @evanmisejka4062
    @evanmisejka4062 3 месяца назад +57

    Studied Salome in my music history sequence. It is certainly one of the operas of all time

  • @lc1715
    @lc1715 2 месяца назад +19

    Orchestration simply peaked with this man.

  • @steverman2312
    @steverman2312 2 месяца назад +10

    1:23 is like a car crash in musical form, its so nasty but you cant stop listening to it

  • @lindseydejesus1877
    @lindseydejesus1877 2 месяца назад +4

    ENDING OF SALOME!!! one of my favorite moments in opera. this is suuuuch a cool analysis!

  • @tobiaspeter6555
    @tobiaspeter6555 3 месяца назад +5

    Even years before I stumbled across this little clip, I chose that particular chord as the sexiest dissonance ever.

  • @michaelpogudincomposition
    @michaelpogudincomposition 3 месяца назад +27

    Love the "???," sometimes I think one can get too wrapped up into naming every single chord vertically. Sometimes a chord is more for a motion of voices purpose, or just a "wtf" purpose. ??? sums it up perfectly!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +6

      I agree! In some cases, Roman numerals can only get you so far...

    • @TheSlowPianist
      @TheSlowPianist 2 месяца назад

      I liken it to trying to understand a film purely by looking at still pictures from the film. Some harmonies are meant to be passed through and don't make all that much sense when frozen in time.

  • @salmonidae3667
    @salmonidae3667 3 месяца назад +13

    Strauss' tone poems and operas are, in my opinion, the greatest achievements of late romanticism.

  • @MrMichaelvier
    @MrMichaelvier Месяц назад +1

    Richard Strauss was the greatest Opera Composer of the 20th ....his Music is breathtaking ....what a Genius. The Mozart of the 20th Century. .thx for posting

  • @aldeayeah
    @aldeayeah 3 месяца назад +11

    i brace myself whenever I see an incoming tower of accidentals of different kinds

  • @gnirolnamlerf593
    @gnirolnamlerf593 Месяц назад

    I was a teenager when I first saw _Salome_ in West Berlin on June 12, 1966. (I keep all my programs.) I had already seen _the Marriage of Figaro_ , _Cosi fan Tutte_ , _The Flying Dutchman_ , _Fidelio_ , _Der Freischütz_ at the Deutsche Oper and I had no idea what I was getting into with this. The whole opera is gut wrenching, much more than the episode in the Bible, which reads almost like a factual news report. I had never heard the music before. I mean, I was 14 from a working-class American family, and the only opera I had ever seen before I went to Berlin was probably _Amahl and the Night Visitors_ on NBC TV. (The moment of the miracle in that opera still makes me cry.)
    Here you are at this sickening, grotesque, inhuman moment and that chord from hell happens instead of the other possibilities you might be expecting. Forget about _The Rite of Spring_ that Paris was up in arms about in 1913. This was the equivalent of an earthquake or volcano. For me, it was, like, OMG, is this whole building going to collapse on us because of that chord?
    Always good to be reminded of the emotional power of this moment.

  • @andreswainselboim9217
    @andreswainselboim9217 3 месяца назад +12

    That moment is brutal!! Interesting how the clash between A and A# is also realized horizontally in the preceding trill.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +1

      Which part are you referring to exactly?

    • @andreswainselboim9217
      @andreswainselboim9217 3 месяца назад

      I mean the preceding trill in the upper woodwinds, which is itself composed of A and A#, and which lasts from the beginning of the video until the big cadential I64. If I remember correctly, the trill starts right as the king "screams" those same two notes (using vibrato) and Salome starts singing the "I have kissed your mouth Jochanan" part right?

    • @andreswainselboim9217
      @andreswainselboim9217 3 месяца назад

      By which I mean, the king hits a very intense high A which with the wide vibrato is very similar to the trill that starts at that precise moment.

    • @andreswainselboim9217
      @andreswainselboim9217 3 месяца назад

      In a way the trill kinda represents the "reverb" or echo of the king's scream.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes indeed! I like your interpretation about the echo. A small precision about the trill - if I'm not wrong they're actually trilling A and Ab(G#) at the beginning. And the trill is one of my favourite things about this excerpt, creating such a small mysterious dissonance at first but evolving into a huge sonic mass at the end; practically all the woodwinds are trilling at the big cadential 64 section.

  • @qamar07
    @qamar07 3 месяца назад +5

    I saw it in Paris on the 12 this month. I knew the score but listening to all that live was mindblowing. Genious work

  • @prepcoin_nl4362
    @prepcoin_nl4362 3 месяца назад +4

    I personally hear this as just a very grotesque modal mixture iv/IV - I with the final pitch G acting as a leading tone onto the V degree as you also mentioned (It's also an octatonic subset which is a pitch resource elsewhere in the opera and just generally something that started appearing a lot around this time.) I like the iv/IV interpretation better since it accounts for 4 out of 5 pitches in a simple way and is in line with what we'd rhetorically expect at this moment (a plagal reconfirmation of the tonic after having achieved our big V-I) whereas a polytonal Ital6 applied to a tonic makes the moment sound more bewildering than it really is. Indeed, I think a big part of what makes this moment so remark worthy is not how radical it is, but how *close* it is to the Romantic tropes of the era. So close and yet.... not at all. We know exactly what to expect, which is what makes stand out so much what shouldn't be there. It's very much an uncanny valley effect.
    In any case, the highly unusual voicing and voice leading into it as a sort of double(/triple?) appoggiatura is what makes it. Cool excerpt.

  • @skylarlimex
    @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +75

    Stravinsky's Rite of Spring chord doesn't seem so bad after this...

    • @choiyatlam2552
      @choiyatlam2552 3 месяца назад +8

      Not really. To me it's more about context. This chord resolved and only exist for a moment.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +30

      @@choiyatlam2552 exactly, in fact in the case of stravinsky it's almost as if we're desensitised to the dissonance after hearing the chord being pounded over and over again whereas in Strauss, the rarity in this sort of dissonance gives it such an arresting, almost stupefying quality in its tonal context.

    • @bezuglich
      @bezuglich 3 месяца назад +1

      What about the last chord in "Volare" - big-band version?

    • @SehrLukas
      @SehrLukas 2 месяца назад

      which one though?

  • @Fuzznator
    @Fuzznator 3 месяца назад +3

    Its like flying then you remember you cannot fly and gravity strauss smash you to the ground, genius work

  • @hape3862
    @hape3862 3 месяца назад +25

    Richard Strauss is the most underrated of the famous composers.

    • @JosefFux
      @JosefFux 2 месяца назад +1

      In fact, I don't see he's underrated, is he?

    • @CaptainStereo
      @CaptainStereo Месяц назад +1

      @@JosefFuxhe’s certainly not programmed as much as his other romantic contemporaries are, and he also lived in the rising of modernism and musical serialism which had a lot of the public musically preoccupied. that’s not to say he is completely unknown, but i think you’d find that less people are familiar with his work than most other famous composers.
      side note, this probably isn’t helped by the fact that concert string player are predisposed to hate him because of don juan 💀 and as such they think his music is “just hard” and never give him a listen

  • @Edeskenney
    @Edeskenney 2 месяца назад +1

    Music that changed the world forever.

  • @Albrecht-to9lm
    @Albrecht-to9lm 3 месяца назад +4

    Ich bin in diese Oper verliebt! Vielen Dank!

  • @TheAflix
    @TheAflix 3 месяца назад +2

    Hey, I just discovered your channel and I love it! I am a poet myself from Spain, beauty demolishes the barrier of different artistic fields in a transcendental way. Thank you for your work.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад

      I'm working on setting some poems from Dionisio Cañas to music at this moment!

  • @celloguy
    @celloguy 3 месяца назад +5

    For me there are more horrifying dissonances earlier in this scene. For instance at figure 355, but also in many other places. This one is almost comic in its horrifying way. Salome is the much more disturbing and also musically creative score when compared to Elektra. Capriccio and Salome are his two most perfect operas in my opinion, though I absolutely adore many of the others.

  • @lindildeev5721
    @lindildeev5721 3 месяца назад +3

    If only Oscar Wilde could have lived longer to see this. He would have loved that.

  • @organfan668
    @organfan668 2 месяца назад +1

    This is absolutely beautiful. I’ve never heard this piece before.

  • @brendanward2991
    @brendanward2991 3 месяца назад +3

    I had the pleasure of hearing it live in Dublin a few months ago.

  • @marinadela1361
    @marinadela1361 2 месяца назад +1

    That actually gave me goosebumps.

  • @jamesrockybullin5250
    @jamesrockybullin5250 3 месяца назад +2

    It’s a minor plagal cadence in C#, chord iv flat 11. The notes are F#, A, C#, (E), G, and B flat. (Written as A# for voice leading reasons.) The 7th is omitted.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +1

      There's no way you actually hear the F sharp as the root in the chord, the voicing of the chord is simply too complex for that.

    • @jamesrockybullin5250
      @jamesrockybullin5250 3 месяца назад +1

      @@skylarlimex Ah, I think I know what it is, I heard it as a C# pedal point. The timps kind of cover up the bass motion because they're constantly hammering out C#s. Looking at the full score, the bass instruments do indeed go to an A for that chord, but I heard a constant C# in the bass. I suppose thinking that it was a tonic pedal primed me to listen for standard cadential patterns, and that's why I heard plagal harmony.
      Edit: also the last triplet in that bar is an F# which goes to C#. IV to I is a super strong motion, so I might have subconsciously reinterpreted the chord as having F# as the root.

  • @Pabloinjuanderland
    @Pabloinjuanderland 3 месяца назад +2

    Stunning

  • @beaureitz7513
    @beaureitz7513 2 месяца назад +5

    Like this comment if you were aware that she is kissing a severed head in this scene.

  • @jerzyfryderykwojciechowski
    @jerzyfryderykwojciechowski 3 месяца назад +1

    sounds magic 🌞

  • @replyhere590
    @replyhere590 2 месяца назад +1

    Somehow Strauss always manages to include some “hope” among his less happy notes. Death and Transfiguration is the best example I can offer, and I have to add that I am not as familiar with with Salome. Maybe also the opening of 2001…oops I mean Also Sprach Zarathustra. Playing the triads game and well done.

  • @xara_gaiteiro
    @xara_gaiteiro 3 месяца назад +1

    Brilliant

  • @lightyagami8525
    @lightyagami8525 3 месяца назад +2

    Top music theory channel.

  • @thePsykomanteum
    @thePsykomanteum 2 месяца назад

    outstanding analysis, excellent chan.

  • @babiskanas7821
    @babiskanas7821 2 месяца назад

    The A major 7th chord is, enarmonically (G for F double sharp), the augumented sixth (german) chord in C# scale. The A#, if considered a B flat, is the minor 9th and the F# (added 6th) is the real dissonance here. But, in fact, the whole chord is a double broderie: G#-A-G# & G#-G natural (F double sharp)-G#. It is the context that gives the tremendous effect.

  • @VeronikaPianist
    @VeronikaPianist 2 месяца назад

    Wow this is incredible😍

  • @davisatdavis1
    @davisatdavis1 3 месяца назад +1

    Nothing prepares you for that. Not even the warning

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 3 месяца назад +6

    the "desire" motif also appears in Brahms 1, 4th movement!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +2

      Didn't notice that! Thanks for the share, on hindsight it does sound very brahmsian

  •  3 месяца назад +6

    Amigo, revisa la Metamorphosen, por favor!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад +5

      Me encantería en el futuro!

  • @daveo2431
    @daveo2431 2 месяца назад

    What a coincidence, just learned about this crazy piece in class and before you know it you have a video on it. But ngl the song and that one chord have nightmarish vibes.

  • @itamarbar9580
    @itamarbar9580 3 месяца назад +1

    I have not seen the opera, but i hope that chord plays when Salome starts making out with the dead corpse head of John the Baptist, as an audible cringe from Herod, Herodias, and everyone else in the opera hall but Salome, as the most scandalous thing about this opera is brought to life, before Herod calls it all to end, which it generously does.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад

      It sounds like you have indeed seen the opera! 🤣

  • @Sshooter444
    @Sshooter444 Месяц назад

    This chord is utter depravity, which mirrors the story perfectly.

  • @carlquistharris
    @carlquistharris 2 месяца назад

    Stratas made a video of this role that was shown on US television. If memory serves, it was quite controversial at the time. During the Dance, a part of the female anatomy not commonly revealed to American TV audiences of that more innocent era was briefly exposed on the screen.

  • @mischacarlberg6631
    @mischacarlberg6631 21 день назад

    But why did you leave out the best part? The part after this where the orchestra part goes absolutely crazy as Salome is killed by the soldiers. That piccolo part is intense!

  • @charlescoleman5509
    @charlescoleman5509 2 месяца назад

    Well that chord may be vaguely dissonant. But it’s primarily a clash of F# major and A major 7.

  • @edgarreitz7067
    @edgarreitz7067 3 месяца назад +2

    But the whole opera is so fucked up thematically, that this chord is kind of satisfying. "Bitterer Beigeschmack" we would say in german like bitter additional taste (ref. to the kiss). I would still prefer Elektra over Salome, its even more freaked out, but way more coherent and musically Strauss best work in my opinion. Salome is so disgusting, while Elektras Electicism is electrifying and captivating!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  3 месяца назад

      That's interesting, would you say bitterer beigeschmack when eating dark chocolate for example?

    • @edgarreitz7067
      @edgarreitz7067 3 месяца назад

      ​@@skylarlimex never ever^^, this idiom doesn't relate to food at all in everyday language, as far as i know, maybe originates from there. It was a pun here. It depends on the situation, expresses ambigious feelings. But "the cacophonic representation of lust, revulsion, horror, doom" sounds definitely more sophisticated! ;)

  • @igorluz4462
    @igorluz4462 2 месяца назад +1

    Beautiful. Who are the singers?

    • @robbystafford8273
      @robbystafford8273 2 месяца назад

      thank you. it's infuriating that the channel doesn't care

  • @user-mk9qy4yd5t
    @user-mk9qy4yd5t 3 месяца назад

    At first glance (and hearing), the big dissonance seems to be the bitonal result of divergent voice leading in the bass and treble parts.

  • @sanjosemike3137
    @sanjosemike3137 2 месяца назад

    As much as I love Der Rosenkavalier, I have to admit this is painful. I know it was intentional. Strauss always said he could "set a stein of Beer" to music. (perhaps badly translated).
    I don't think I want to listen to the entire opera. I mean, I can listen to the Berg Violin Concerto and love its dissonances. But this seems for me to be step too far.
    Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

  • @johannesbowman2194
    @johannesbowman2194 2 месяца назад

    The chords: C# to A7 with borrowed F# scale isn't so bad. Jk lol 😂 it's basically just A7(b13) at that point

  • @KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner
    @KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner 3 месяца назад +3

    Can you upload the ending fugue of Feinberg’s sonata no.3 or Medtner’s sonata minnacciosa? Thanks

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 2 месяца назад

    1:47 Me enjoying these chords.. suddenly "Go kill that woman" 💀

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  2 месяца назад

      Thankfully it's in German! 🤣

  • @Peter-x2exz
    @Peter-x2exz 2 месяца назад

    "ear-shattering" is right!

  • @louisdawes2337
    @louisdawes2337 2 месяца назад

    At 1:38, wouldnt V⁷+5 of IV just be chord I

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  2 месяца назад

      Chord I with added notes yes, which changes it's entire function to V/IV

  • @eugeneyang1176
    @eugeneyang1176 3 месяца назад +1

    I’ll explain it as a dominant flat 9 (13) chord which often used in jazz, and had major 3rd relationship with tonic.

  • @briancornish2076
    @briancornish2076 2 месяца назад

    Wheres the ka boom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering ka boom?

  • @alexnobrasil3062
    @alexnobrasil3062 3 месяца назад

    Polychord of F# over A7 (ACG)

  • @googlekopfkind
    @googlekopfkind 2 месяца назад

    Isnt it a D7#13b9. I think its quite common but the weird part ist how he moves the upper structure

  • @WinrichNaujoks
    @WinrichNaujoks 2 месяца назад

    Was für ein Geschrei.

  • @javiermedina5313
    @javiermedina5313 2 месяца назад

    love it, The thing sounds to me like a very dissonant A augmented 6 (susV/V7) or A7.