RS4? 500+ HP Audi S4 B9 // Nürburgring

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  • Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025

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  • @Jamie.c18
    @Jamie.c18 Год назад +182

    Thank you again for an amazing lap! If you think you know what your car is capable of then give it to Misha for 10 minutes and he’ll show you a whole other side 😂👏🏼
    Redline moves to accommodate for the raised transmission temps, it was a hot summer day! Trans cooling is definitely going to be upgraded for this year.

    • @mgcharoudin
      @mgcharoudin  Год назад +34

      So we go again😍

    • @kei1880
      @kei1880 Год назад +3

      Hei Jamie, I know the s4 b9 has a turbo but why does it sound like a supercharger?

    • @Itadapizza
      @Itadapizza Год назад +7

      @@kei1880transmission whine, it’s completely normal

    • @Misterpapito237
      @Misterpapito237 Год назад +3

      It’s not because of the transmission temps , it because the ‘ high ‘ oil temperatures.
      Engine limits revs power to protect the engine you need an oil cooler.

    • @Jamie.c18
      @Jamie.c18 Год назад +25

      @@Misterpapito237 Oil temp is fine for these, of course lower the better however the oil cooler on the S4 B9’s don’t fully open until around 127 degrees.
      They’re designed to run hot, the car is also using upgraded motorsport oil and always changed after going to the track.
      The revs are limiting due to the transmission temps creeping up that’s all, it’s a safety feature.

  • @KeyBrosUK
    @KeyBrosUK Год назад +201

    Car lowered its redline toward the end there to protect itself, I like that. Sounds awesome and drove nicely, nice job!

    • @fredericoespinoza
      @fredericoespinoza Год назад +1

      good spot

    • @Tonyx.yt.
      @Tonyx.yt. Год назад +4

      134 oil temp it's no joke

    • @module79l28
      @module79l28 Год назад +6

      @@Tonyx.yt. - It's not because of that, read the owner's replies on the pinned comment.

    • @ZanicL3
      @ZanicL3 11 месяцев назад

      @@Tonyx.yt. damn that's actually quite hot lol

    • @shadowrob7709
      @shadowrob7709 29 дней назад

      @@module79l28 Yes, bad tuning.

  • @ojmck22
    @ojmck22 Год назад +241

    I simply cannot go a day without watching one of your videos Misha

  • @MK-mq6vy
    @MK-mq6vy Год назад +51

    watching the guys get thrown around in the back seat is hilarious
    Love the content Misha

  • @darcyphillips70
    @darcyphillips70 Год назад +49

    Nice to see a sorted Audi being driven hard & delivering… impressive, especially with the additional luggage in the back 🫶👊💥

  • @derickturner2655
    @derickturner2655 Год назад +97

    It's very interesting how to redline moves around as the heat climbs and drops! Awesome car!

    • @alexhentschel1080
      @alexhentschel1080 Год назад

      i saw that too, but i noticed the temp climbed above 130 to 132 and the redline went higher. very interesting

    • @micheledelmoro5898
      @micheledelmoro5898 Год назад +2

      @@alexhentschel1080probably coolant was overheating

    • @tiboleurentop3615
      @tiboleurentop3615 Год назад +10

      Might be based on gearbox temp.

    • @Jamie.c18
      @Jamie.c18 Год назад +4

      @@tiboleurentop3615 Spot on 👍🏼

    • @darrenquarterman2611
      @darrenquarterman2611 Год назад

      You like to think the rs4 could do a lap before overheating but I suppose only a professional driver can push it this far the was 2 yellow flags witch helped it cool down

  • @chadspradling7627
    @chadspradling7627 Год назад +7

    I find it fascinating how you can get in so many different cars and push them to the limit. And knowing when the brakes are going or shot, when the tires are done, and so on. Thank you for making these videos I really enjoy watching them.

  • @stevenh766
    @stevenh766 Год назад +45

    Assumed it was going to overheat at some point, but very impressive and composed considering it was +600lbs how it would run a typical track event.

    • @rorynesta7766
      @rorynesta7766 Год назад +1

      yeah the way the temp was rising was a worry.

    • @S5MIKEY
      @S5MIKEY 5 месяцев назад

      @@rorynesta7766that’s a common issue with these cars sadly

  • @deep4730
    @deep4730 Год назад +17

    150mph 4 man up love that

  • @Drew_Koch
    @Drew_Koch Год назад +10

    Car was definitely getting hot and those several yellows helped. Nice to see how it helps to protect itself by adjusting redline. Great driving as always!

  • @Itadapizza
    @Itadapizza Год назад +17

    Love to see it! That was transmission whine not the turbo btw. I’ve had had 2 B9s. Doubtful about the 500+ without hybrid turbo or fueling upgrade. These things have great torque though.

    • @mizaqenyad4269
      @mizaqenyad4269 Год назад +3

      he was probably rounding up, probably closer to 475-480. maybe a tad higher

    • @Tunerfreak99
      @Tunerfreak99 Год назад +2

      Agree, my B9.5 S5 makes 500+ only on e85, on 98(RON) it’s about 460

  • @seastonnn1165
    @seastonnn1165 Год назад +1

    I love the rear passenger cam. Lovely stuff misha.
    Happy new year brother, many fast and safe laps ahead for you bro🎉

  • @mitjagracnar1502
    @mitjagracnar1502 Год назад +1

    Have been waiting for this video for soo long as I'm tracking this exact S4 car for a while now.. And you just confirmed my thoughts about it - so definitely I'm going to buy it! 💯

  • @JJsAutomotive
    @JJsAutomotive Год назад +14

    The guy with the glasses is a true special operator. 😀

  • @roywhiteo5
    @roywhiteo5 Год назад +7

    I'd love to see a video of a b8.5 S5 with the sports diff drive around the ring. That diff makes all the difference in the world

    • @tubejorrit
      @tubejorrit Год назад +2

      The S4 could also be optioned with the sport diff

    • @BarbecuedPossum
      @BarbecuedPossum Год назад +1

      The sport diffs are very weak though. I have a b8 s4 avant and done a few trackdays in them have had 2 sport diffs fail. 1 cracked internally and leaked the hydraulic oil into the gear oil which then ruined it, and the other after a few was whining and showing a malfunction when it got hot so just ditched it. Now has a standard diff in it waiting for the funds to do the jxb lsd retrofit (which can only be done into the standard diff housing). For having a bit of extra rotation on the road, fine. But (and I may have been unlucky..) in my experience they can't cope with track work

    • @roywhiteo5
      @roywhiteo5 11 месяцев назад

      @@BarbecuedPossum what tires were you using on track? My S5 is more fun in cooler temperatures when the tires have less grip

    • @BarbecuedPossum
      @BarbecuedPossum 11 месяцев назад

      Was on PS4s, normally i use ar1's for trackdays on my other car but couldnt be bothered switching as the s4 is my daily. Winter trackdays would be way more fun in these as can actually play with them on the limit, in they dry hot it's hard to do anything but understeer@@roywhiteo5

    • @thinkcarbon794
      @thinkcarbon794 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@BarbecuedPossum Huh. I don't hear about them failing too much, but it happened to my friends B8.5 a few years ago while it was still under the extended warranty. By B8 did not have it, but my B9.5 dose, and it's been solid for me. A couple of track days, two trips to the drag strip, and lots of backroad blasting.

  • @ThomasAnselmi1337
    @ThomasAnselmi1337 9 месяцев назад

    Tuned B9 S4 owner and live seeing it on the channel!

  • @tamtdc
    @tamtdc Год назад +5

    Cooling is what you need to do first, see how the red line kept moving down to 5.5k revs to allow it some time to try and cool down...

    • @mizaqenyad4269
      @mizaqenyad4269 Год назад +1

      thats trans temps doing that not engine temps. needs a trans cooler.

    • @tamtdc
      @tamtdc Год назад +2

      @@mizaqenyad4269 so needs better cooling then? Isn't that what I said?

    • @mizaqenyad4269
      @mizaqenyad4269 Год назад +2

      @@tamtdc & i was agreeing by being specific... people are so sensitive jeeze

  • @jamesbennett2019
    @jamesbennett2019 Год назад

    love the vid man, always great to sit down after work and watch your vids 😊❤️💯

  • @titin200
    @titin200 Год назад +5

    Hey Misha, do you ever turn the heather on full blast when the cars start to get hot? I find it does helps quite alot and can bring the temps down quickly

    • @rorynesta7766
      @rorynesta7766 Год назад +3

      was thinking that too,i usually do that on my turbo cars when im on a big drive.

  • @xthe31er80
    @xthe31er80 Год назад +20

    im a simple man, i see a misha video and like it 🤠

  • @WillemVerb
    @WillemVerb Год назад +1

    love that there are two random guys that just popped into the back when the lap started haha

    • @benlecluyse
      @benlecluyse Год назад +1

      #Facts

    • @lennardm4752
      @lennardm4752 Год назад

      Would have expected your Volvo loving twin @wheelemverb to be here but not you 😂

  • @guzca05
    @guzca05 Год назад

    Otro gran video Misha!! Qué sonido ese Audi. Saludos desde España!!

  • @carzbydano
    @carzbydano Год назад +4

    Beautiful sound

  • @bootie
    @bootie Год назад +5

    seemed like such a chill lap 😅

  • @GregHotchkiss
    @GregHotchkiss Год назад +1

    Great video again @Misha

  • @superbrit3845
    @superbrit3845 Год назад +10

    At last a car that claims 500bhp and performs like a 500bhp car should even with 4 people on board, no BS figures here.

    • @mgcharoudin
      @mgcharoudin  Год назад +4

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 Год назад +1

      The 500 HP figure is pure and utter BS on 99 Ron fuel it will be MAX 470-480 HP at the engine.

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@jimmymcgoo8641 Wow 20 HP over what is claimed? That's such crazy BS. 🙄

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 6 месяцев назад

      @@mediocreman2 your name says it all.

  • @12345678939218
    @12345678939218 Год назад +2

    This is a surprise, it would never occur to me to see a family Audi Saloon take corners so easily and quickly, especially with 4 people in it. A big surprise, Cool 👍

    • @edombre4637
      @edombre4637 Год назад

      its a S4 - thats the sports, more powerful version of the regular audi - a regular audi would wallow on this circuit.

    • @thinkcarbon794
      @thinkcarbon794 6 месяцев назад

      If you notice the red brake calipers, it has the optional torque vectoring sport differential. It's a magical option that should probably just come standard that transforms the cars handling. A S4/S5 with the sport differential will do doughnuts in the rain like its a RWD car with the traction control turned off.

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 3 месяца назад

      Red calipers does not automatically​ mean the sport diff on the UK model. @@thinkcarbon794

  • @quanchimodo
    @quanchimodo Год назад

    im so glad i found your page! I want to fix up my 2024 autobahn GLI Manual Transmission and bring it out there for you to drive! see you in 3-5 years!

  • @fredriktimren2242
    @fredriktimren2242 Год назад +5

    Interesting to know how much 3 extra passengers affect the handling of the car, suspension and lap time??

    • @mgcharoudin
      @mgcharoudin  Год назад +12

      Much!

    • @gouldnj
      @gouldnj Год назад +1

      I was just about to comment that, I mean who asks Misha for a hot lap and then loads an extra 200 kilos of ballast in the car for him?

  • @kshen-u9h
    @kshen-u9h 11 дней назад

    very neutral steering! i also found the tail sort of sliding at some cornor. is it because it's an avant? becasue on my s4 limousine i can't feel this

  • @Mo55y90
    @Mo55y90 Год назад +2

    I'm coming over with a stock B9 saloon in march 😅

    • @abzdadon74
      @abzdadon74 5 месяцев назад

      Would upgrade you intercooler as an absolute minimum

  • @medved6093
    @medved6093 Год назад +2

    Очень достойно ехала. Хорошая машинка! Жаль, были ограничения на скорость, интересно, был бы перегрев?

  • @Intergalacticheroe
    @Intergalacticheroe 7 месяцев назад

    i just got S4 B9.5 that car is so freaking good i love it

  • @crunch3rYouTube
    @crunch3rYouTube 7 месяцев назад +1

    Wow that Avant was ripping it with 4 adults in the car wow! S4 #1

  • @ukwan
    @ukwan Год назад +4

    Stock cars are not so bad once you start modifying stuff either the suspension is too soft or the cooling system cant cope or the seats dont hold you in or you need more safety equipment etc. etc.
    Just put some decent tyres and brakes on a well maintained car and go do laps!

    • @anno1602
      @anno1602 Год назад

      they said this car was on stock suspension

  • @jpjones20
    @jpjones20 Год назад +5

    It was nice to see MPH, coming from a USA viewer. Love the content and driving. 👍👍

  • @lifeofchadhugo8282
    @lifeofchadhugo8282 8 месяцев назад

    English Jesse Pinkman and Heisenberg in the back seat?! 😂😂😂 That’s all I kept thinking!😂😂
    Great video!

  • @ELXABER
    @ELXABER Год назад

    I have a B7 S4 Cabriolet, love the thing. Would like to do a coilover instead of the adaptive magnetic and maybe pull another 100hp, so it's close to 450. That one sounded pretty good for a 6 with a turbo.

  • @TommiTM
    @TommiTM Год назад +1

    This is crown gear quattro, 60% goes rear. Usually when people whine Audi understeer, they dont even know you have to accelerate in the corner.

  • @THEDOPEYDAISY
    @THEDOPEYDAISY Год назад +1

    I love this generation of S4, with the modifications he said it’s pretty hard to get 503bhp with a stick turbocharger. It’s probably more like 450bhp.

    • @fff-fv6xh
      @fff-fv6xh Год назад +1

      It's not really. Just with a ecu tune you are at like 440hp. With intake, de-cat downpipe, intercooler you are easily at 520-530. And he has all those mods

    • @THEDOPEYDAISY
      @THEDOPEYDAISY 3 месяца назад

      @@fff-fv6xhImpossible unless you have a flexfuel kit or some other fueling modification

  • @Undee-or7sb
    @Undee-or7sb Год назад +2

    The yellows saved the car from dying 😅

  • @dgukov
    @dgukov Год назад +1

    @mgcharoudin Did it have sports diff? Suspension adaptive or passive (this feels a bit like cheating physics in a good way)?

  • @_IMNNO
    @_IMNNO Год назад

    I’m surprised the Bluestuff and Yellowstuff pads held up. EBC gets some hate from the community. I have them installed on my R60 Mini, but it only weighs 1360kg/3000lbs.

  • @Jchow08
    @Jchow08 Год назад +1

    Awesome S4 considering 4 people in the car! I daily an A4 B9 what a great car!

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 Год назад

      Not really the same thing though is it , a A4 😂

    • @Jchow08
      @Jchow08 Год назад +1

      Not an S4 and definitely not for the track 😂 but got it tuned with stage 1 and 430NM, more than enough for a daily around town

  • @parrishwl
    @parrishwl Год назад

    Thats a nice Audi !!! Great Build 👍

  • @truckingaround736
    @truckingaround736 Год назад

    Misha's videos is part of my life. Keep doing what you are doing sir. You are doing an incredible job 🎉. I would just like to see the Nissan Sentra 200STI on the channel once. So if someone has one. Please contact Misha😅

  • @KingModestCars
    @KingModestCars 7 месяцев назад

    For a track usage ESP should be in sport, it will prevent from understeering feel of a car

    • @tellyourmomisaidhi5804
      @tellyourmomisaidhi5804 15 дней назад

      He had the esc completely off. That is why it was flashing different signals in the tach screen.

  • @killerpoet9496
    @killerpoet9496 Год назад +7

    Would be a lot better lap with less weight in the car but still a great lap and exciting content 😀

  • @thescavwithnothingtolose1224
    @thescavwithnothingtolose1224 Год назад

    I'm excited for the S5 avant coming across the pond to the US market. 🙏

    • @duduoson1306
      @duduoson1306 Год назад

      Is that happening or you just playin?

  • @marvinvisser5039
    @marvinvisser5039 Год назад

    240kmh/150mph into swedenkreuz is what many 350hp cars do also. But this one was quite weighed down 😂😂 Fun to see the passengers move about in the back

    • @fff-fv6xh
      @fff-fv6xh Год назад +1

      The car is like 1,8t itself. And it looks like all passengers are 100+kg each. So like 2,4t all together 😂

  • @locoporgolf
    @locoporgolf Год назад +2

    on time

  • @Msieur_Moon
    @Msieur_Moon Год назад

    500hp and 4 beast inside 😂 love that ❤❤

  • @KingModestCars
    @KingModestCars 5 месяцев назад

    Better to keep TC in sport, it will make car more stable in turns and without any understeer

  • @2wheels1guy25
    @2wheels1guy25 Год назад

    Very cool vid. What's with te moving redline thouhg? 10:24

  • @TheGhiaDriver
    @TheGhiaDriver Год назад

    Impressive driving as always! Wouldn't a decat make it not legal to use though?

  • @zerooneonetwothree1872
    @zerooneonetwothree1872 Год назад +1

    Wait, didnt the redline drop because it was overheating?

  • @JessHull
    @JessHull Год назад +1

    interesting that it lowered its own redline as it heated up.

  • @Goncalosxx
    @Goncalosxx Год назад

    love your content bro

  • @marisristamecs3169
    @marisristamecs3169 Год назад

    Its probably handles becouse of extra weight on rear seets. Once i got owersteer in the same corner with passengers where usualy i get understeer

  • @aldoalberto1609
    @aldoalberto1609 Год назад

    Hello from Mexico Misha!! Nice videos 👌 may be you could show the engine of the cars. Some people enjoy it

  • @GeNiTaliA90
    @GeNiTaliA90 Год назад

    Nice sound! Yea i did a decat on the intake! What? 🤔

  • @christopherpeters2992
    @christopherpeters2992 Год назад

    Nice drive . ❤

  • @alexhentschel1080
    @alexhentschel1080 Год назад

    did you notice the redline kept changing from 6.5k to 5.5k. I thought maybe bc of the oil temp but it didnt seem to correlate

    • @WeirdNeville
      @WeirdNeville Год назад +5

      It was the transmission temps not engine temps dictating redline!

    • @alexhentschel1080
      @alexhentschel1080 Год назад

      @@WeirdNeville ahhh well that makes sense!

  • @soty391
    @soty391 11 месяцев назад

    No problem with overheating ? Oil? Water ?

  • @connorleyland8695
    @connorleyland8695 Год назад

    +600 lbs too! On stock springs

  • @tubejorrit
    @tubejorrit Год назад +1

    Sounds pretty good for a v6

  • @vinylcritter6382
    @vinylcritter6382 Год назад

    Misha and the Lads Good time had by all

  • @chadspradling7627
    @chadspradling7627 Год назад

    And it was funny watching the two in the back the way they were getting thrown around, left then quick right back quick left lol, then brake hard lean forward touch your toes lol

  • @wanderer7779
    @wanderer7779 Год назад

    It lost 1k rev limit because of the heat! I wouldn't touch the turbo until that gets sorted 😅

    • @Tunerfreak99
      @Tunerfreak99 Год назад +1

      The transmission protecting itself, needs a cooler

  • @ВалерийБанасиковский

    Масло под 135...это новые тенденции и нормально на таких моторах ? Классный аппарат

  • @matthewbowler6563
    @matthewbowler6563 Год назад

    KEEP YOUR CURRENT CAMERA THE COMPATIBILITY IS GOOD TURNS ON MY CREATOR 4K MODE ON MY SONY XPERIA 5II

  • @SixDasher
    @SixDasher Месяц назад

    How do you get 500HP without a turbo upgrade?

  • @matiasbrandolini
    @matiasbrandolini Год назад

    With both cams (front and rear passangers), the mic(s) are ecoing

  • @amirulfahmi9376
    @amirulfahmi9376 Год назад

    Great videos! Shame if the car can’t handle full capacity passages. That what car should do

  • @monkyk1ng
    @monkyk1ng Год назад

    whoaa misha driving a RAS4!!! (really a s four)

  • @KeyBrosUK
    @KeyBrosUK Год назад +3

    Wondered what Phil Mitchell is up to these days😉

  • @M.A.X.tuned.
    @M.A.X.tuned. Год назад

    Very much would like to see a Audi S3 8l !

  • @alexanderjanak4239
    @alexanderjanak4239 Год назад

    Misha mega video. Are you planning to do any lap with i30n DCT facelift version? as a i30n owner I would really like to see that one.

  • @jayman3575
    @jayman3575 Год назад

    at 5:12 the limiter looked to have dropped to 5.5K...anyone with ideas of what happened?

    • @nitrorory
      @nitrorory Год назад +4

      Overheating

    • @RM-fo4bs
      @RM-fo4bs Год назад +5

      The cars probably tuned in a way that when it gets too hot the engine protects itself from overheating

    • @Bastlewastle
      @Bastlewastle Год назад

      Oil is on 130 C

  • @R19Robbin
    @R19Robbin Год назад

    Proper wagon 👌

  • @diar0346
    @diar0346 Год назад

    Is it supercharged :D? It sounded like that

  • @J3n555
    @J3n555 Год назад

    I have the b8.5 S5 Supercharged 430hp, stock cooling. I bet it would overheat on the ring 😂

  • @martinchapman2168
    @martinchapman2168 Год назад +1

    Good video

  • @Aliastaylor
    @Aliastaylor 4 месяца назад

    What’s the whole mod list?!?!?

  • @kdr_atio7161
    @kdr_atio7161 Год назад +1

    that audisteer tho, love the vid :)

  • @VideoDotGoogleDotCom
    @VideoDotGoogleDotCom Год назад

    Yellow - of course in the very best part!

  • @arjunpatel5443
    @arjunpatel5443 Год назад +1

    What is the track like during this time of year? Cold surface less grip?

  • @robL84
    @robL84 Год назад

    Very nice V6T

  • @Manu-Official
    @Manu-Official Год назад

    So it moves like an RS... Having been driving Audi for about 12 years, I feel like the gearbox could do with longer ratios.

    • @dgukov
      @dgukov Год назад

      why u want even longer ratios?

    • @Manu-Official
      @Manu-Official Год назад

      @@dgukov because I'm used to second gear that goes beyond 60, and 3rd/4th gear that gets better suited to holding in the corners, it adds steering control and top speed - not much extra needed, just a little longer, the car has more than enough torque to suit that.

  • @pilotozetec
    @pilotozetec Год назад

    The man in the back seat looks like the American Sniper.

  • @chrisbeckett9380
    @chrisbeckett9380 Год назад

    I thought the bald guy was going to come through my tv on numerous occasions 😂😂😂

  • @EndstyleGG
    @EndstyleGG Год назад +2

    10:12 I don't think that whine is the turbo, it's linear with the rpms, maybe power steering pump, ac compressor or something along those lines? Almost sounds like a supercharger

    • @Bastlewastle
      @Bastlewastle Год назад

      It is a supercharger. Common v6 TFSI with supercharger

    • @alecmoore5673
      @alecmoore5673 Год назад +6

      It is a transmission whine. I took my S4 saloon to the ring in October and it's so loud in the car. It sounds like a supercharger. 😀

    • @zdx197
      @zdx197 Год назад +2

      ZF8 gearbox whine

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 Год назад +3

      ​@@Bastlewastlefool. It's a B9 which is a turbo charger.

  • @vlmxs
    @vlmxs Год назад

    This was surprisingly good car!
    ;)

    • @anno1602
      @anno1602 Год назад

      The S4 is a legend, nothing surprising about it

  • @jpecc8314
    @jpecc8314 Год назад +1

    B8 s4 please

  • @RJTROMP
    @RJTROMP Год назад

    Finally you have a tuned car that isn't overheating, you put 200kg in the back. Such a shame.

  • @Workhardforit-2025
    @Workhardforit-2025 Год назад

    Respect a 4 seater car with no back seat lol 😆 nice though and with 4 in it 💯💯💥

  • @kiskis0611
    @kiskis0611 Год назад

    their bodies was not ready for that :D

  • @jimmymcgoo8641
    @jimmymcgoo8641 Год назад +1

    Stock turbo on 99 fuel there is absolutely and utter no way its got 503HP😂 also 4 up, what's the point.

    • @akismurton496
      @akismurton496 8 месяцев назад

      503hp at the crank maybe?

    • @jimmymcgoo8641
      @jimmymcgoo8641 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@akismurton496 no chance on normal fuel.

  • @dimitri_43
    @dimitri_43 Год назад

    Dam proper audi 🤩🥰

  • @rpmaddicts
    @rpmaddicts Год назад

    engine sound like super charged :) with extra weight on the back must improve the grip :D I remember my CLA 45 was crying at the corners :D