Pokemon Theory: Why Did Red Vanish (Redone)
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HIS CHARIZARD KNOWS FLY PEOPLE!
Mr.NeedleMouse32X I believe you. But I'm just going to say in gen one charizard couldn't learn fly. Also he uses four moves in battle and not one of them are fly. Or it could be that red has a flying charizard from sun and moon.
Micheal Universe OBJECTION (ey, reference anyone?) Charizard CAN learn fly in gen 1 but ONLY IN YELLOW. So I might have just blown my own case to shards but I stand by my point, charizard is CLEARLY able to fly in yellow, sun, and the anime
WUT HOW!
Charizards flame wouldn't be able to survive between the cold and lack of air
Ur right
You have to get permission/help from Prof. Oak to go to Mt. Silver, right? So I wonder if Oak just set it up so that Red and Gold would be there at the same time.
That’s what I thought.
I kinda like the idea that Oak and Blue are the only ones who know what Red's up to at any time
Red is best
@@Axolautism yes because prof. Oak always know when red tries to ride a bike indoors
I think red was just training on mount silver which is why his levels are so high. He didn't have to train at the top he probably just got there shortly before Gold did. He doesn't talk because he doesn't in Gen 1. Once defeated he blacks out and goes back to training.
that would be red from the adventures manga.
and besides, he's so high leveled probebly from having a rematch with Blue in the indigo plateu (no idea how to spell that) which blue had pokemon like tyranitar and haracross, plus his pokemon are a bit above level 70. also theres not a lot of strong pokemon to fight in mount silver, also keep in mind about the 2 year time gap.
and yes, Red did talk in gen 1 sometimes.
Red defeated the Pokemon league and became Champion in Kanto.
He probably felt as though he had done everything and then spent time training because he had nothing left to accomplish. Ethan defeating him would make him realize that he had more to accomplish.
He is simply just journeying around the world.
Happens to meet Gold on Mount Silver...
Can't a guy just travel without telling the whole world what he's up to?
yes the same I think
yeah
Ikr and in Gen 2 he was inside the cave and not in the weather like in the remakes
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Jabu Decapricorni
Did any one ever think maybe he got there not long before Gold did.
Given the uploader's OWN note about Red's clothing, I was sure he was going that way. But apparently he completely ignores the things he points out himself.
Now that i think about it prof oak tell gold to go to mount silver to fight red since red is just going there too
OR!! Red was just traveling after becoming champion and searched for new pokemon and ended up in Mt Silver. After meeting the protagonist, he wanted to battle and lost...After he lost, the same thing happened to other trainers when they loose...he blacked out..."but there are many other trainers that loose and don't black out". The company decided to do something clever. Its Red, a player used for red, blue, green, and yellow. And like before, when Red lost in those games he blacks out...think of it as a 4th wall break or a little reference to the first game.
Lagw Anony he stand in mt. silver at 3 years
Nice
@@roriecis3669 Can someone explain the “black out” thing for me? Cause I never got the reason for it
I think that Red is still out there, catching new Pokémon, battling new people, and one day I would like to battle him.
Elijah Kirkland607 You are can battle red in sun and moon
+KassuFW I commented that :)
he is and you can battle him sooo ... XD
You can battle him in black2/white2 or sun/moon
He is
I think it's a combination of the first and third theory. I don't like the Red in Pokemon Origins, he was a bit too cartoony/anime protag for me to see him as a badass, so I'm not going to take his journey into account.
1. I believe RED finished the pokedex catching Mewtwo, that's why he's there in Gold/Silver.
2. He catches Mew and on his journey back realises that there are more than 150 pokemon.
3. Oak tells him about Johto.
4. He beasts himself through johto, becomes champion, but turns it down.
5. (And this is where I get kinda outlandish) He hears about a roaming legendary pokemon that WILL appear on Mt. Silver (Maybe Arceus) at a certain time.
6. He trains himself to travel/survive up on the mountain for extended periods of time.
7. Whatever he was going to catch he needed those pokemon he had. That's when "Ethan" get's to him.
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8. He isn't successful so he travels to Hoenn, Sinnoh, and then Unova
9. The reason he in the tournament is to make sure he's still strong (???)
It's a theory in progress but, eh.
:/ that's a stretch
Wow what an cruel person he abandoned everything everyone he knows and never to show
He could have been wnting to travel the world, he went to Kanto, Johto, Unova, And Alola.
Honestly... I just think Red is travelling the world trying to see all the world's pokemon.
yeah but why was he just standing on the mountain then and whyd he just vanish
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+Greenfire gaming he was shown as a tournament player yes but explain why he just disappears
+Shadow Blaze Escape Rope.
HRMChr0m3w0lf cause an escape rope makes u vanish off a top of a mountain
He jumped off the peek and fell to his death as suicide or he slipped off and his ghost is there standing like Michael myers
I actually have my own theory on why red went to mount silver, I don't think Red would just stand their and wait for mew considering he'd need to actually look for Mew, I think it's possible that Red after accomplishing all of his goals felt like he truly was the best and the only ones who could challenge him are those who do the same, gold being able to do just that could have opened reds eyes to the fact that others can indeed do what he has done so he returns in black and white, in a way being on mount silver could be seen as a sort of metaphor for just how high above Red thinks he is to everyone else in his skills.
I am an optimist, no matter how negative I may seem when I tell the truth. So how about this? Red was at the top of Mt. Silver when Ethan arrived. Red noticed that Ethan had all the badges, even the Elite Four completion one. So Red decided to battle him. The ".................." was because we couldn't hear them over the wind and hail. After the battle, Red climbed down the other side of Mount Silver - the side that goes off the map - and left into another region. Or maybe he just use Fly to go away. He was wearing short sleeves because, well, we all know that Red/Ash isn't super smart, based off the comics and TV show, so he probably just didn't know it would be cold. And we know about all these new regions because Red is a pioneer, and tells the guy with the camera - the one who records the Pokémon adventures in-game, whoever is broadcasting the game onto the screen - about the regions. So camera-guy goes to the new regions, and we get the adventures there.
This is my theory.
I'm not sure about the rest but the ............. Being us not able to hear him could actually be plausible
+Jamie Bradish the theory on why we couldn't hear him can't be true. If I recall, in the original games, when you would talk to Red, he would just say the same thing, "....................". Bear in mind that Red was still IN the mountain on G/S/C.
+John McKenzie yeah that's true as well I guess
I know im late, but snow isnt that loud.
Ya but In sun and moon he still says ........... and the sun doesn’t make noise
Can you tell us why Tobias has rare/legendary Pokemon in the Sinnoh League Tourny....and why he just popped up then disappeared of the face of the PokeWorld. Maybe tell us what pokemon you think he had besides Darkri and Latias. He also apperantly caught them with a regular pokeball so it seems
I always felt that he was Gamefreak's representation of Training Pokemon Legit vs PokeGen/Action Replay
Lol i know im 2 yrs late but plotarmor
He had an entei, the other Eon Pokemon and that’s it apparently
@@jackjackson3125 so basically the kid from unova but much more capable lol
Actually Gold encountered Red on Mt.silver 3 years after the events of RBGY
Don't tell Red, we now have even MORE.
Needed the Lavender Town soundtrack when Proto was talking about the "silly" idea of Red being a ghost
Imagine Red today with the knowledge that there are 721 Pokemon and mores a comin'. This guy would have a stroke.
Red was my favorite trainer I started to cry when he left Pokémon
proto, thank you for revisiting this theory to include the third plausible view on it. to me it makes the most sense.
Holy crap proto u keep getting better and better at these.
I believe that he did see a ton of a new Pokemon and stayed there but... He eventually chose to go out to that region so he could catch the other Pokemon. He then found out there was even more regions and went there ending up in the championship in the black and white games.
3:17 Don't think you even mention that "one small thing"
3:54-3:59 Gold didn't, so why should Red have to? Red still has Pokemon that can satisfy his needs (and is it too Farfetch'd ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) to think that Pokemon don't get hail damage while outside of battle? If Gold has his leading party member follow him around outside of its Pokeball on top of Mount Silver then it doesn't take damage until battle begins). And it's not like Red had to climb up their himself; he could have a Pokemon use Rock Climb just like Gold did.
5:19 Is the tournament thing even canon? I didn't play B&W2
+IronicRobot It's not yet established if it is or is not Cannon.
+ProtoMario
Thanks for tell me that but...
...You didn't answer my other questions m8. I feel abandoned D:
+ProtoMario
Thanks for tell me that but...
...You didn't answer my other questions m8. I feel abandoned D:
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+Red Trainer
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I think he went there to avoid the attention and also so other trainers wouldn't try battling him to become champion. Gold just happened to find Red and Red battled him either because he had no choice or he found potential in him.
As you said Red makes gis way there to find Mew, and seeing so many new species, he instead of abandoning all hope, he moves forward and recieves an update to the pokedex in order to continue his adventure in all the other regions.
Red has a Charizard to stay warm O_o
If you didn't see the whole video
watch the whole video.
no shit sherlock I did LOL dumbass haha
" news flash!" He never disappeared! :)
My theory on why he’s up on mt silver is because he chose isolation since he’s excessively powerful so he stays up there to avoid everyone just like why MewTwo is in a cave in the original Pokémon games is probably because MewTwo knows he’s too powerful because he can destroy a city if he wanted to
i agree mostly with the third reason..thank you for the video
Hey Proto, (this is similar to the water type question from a few years ago) where does the vine whip vine come from? After all, bulbasaur from the first ten episodes of Pokemon has enough vine to carry an Ash falling off a cliff...
Have we forgot that Gold traversed that mountain without any winter clothes as well....
BUT WAIT WOT IF RED WAS NO KILL! HE IS IN THE BATTLE TREE IN SUN AND MOON (I COME FROM THE FUTURE)
JustMimicLord .... no time travel for you
Red must be Patient as fuck To wait for 2 years on a damn Mountain
Hey Proto, look at it this way what if Red just used an escape rope/ or just flew off or possibly just used dig after the battle. That would make sense since he does come back in future games...
BUT PROTO! Ethan was wearing shorts up there!
I’m in the middle of a study on red for an article I am composing. I discovered that the only Pokémon he has used in game besides his gen 1 pokemon are, of course his espion but also in the later series he has each johto starters final evolution stage AND each of the legendary dogs (raikou suicune and entai) and nothing from any generation beyond that point. This leads me to believe that your third theory is the most plausible as it is confirmed he has done some hunting in johto, likely spurred by his mt. Silver trip. (Which was spurred by his looking for mew) the only problem is that Mew is seemingly never tied to Mt silver. However, he could have just been told there were Pokémon there, that were confirmed to be real (unlike mew) that he knowingly hasn’t caught.
there's a 4th. did red vanish or was he never really there to begin with?...BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMM! long theory short, gold climbed mt. silver looking for pokemon had a hallucination due to extreme exposure that resulted in a fake battle with a trainer and pokemon that didn't actually exist.
+clericofchaos1 But Cleric! Why would he have a hallucination of a trainer he never met? lol
Hallucinations can't hurt you or anything physically. If he was never there then how do your Pokemon get hurt
Agathor747's gaming exposure...or maybe they didn't get hurt. the whole thing could have been in his mind.
EagleZtoTheGrave because red was legendary...as the champion of kanto everybody knew him.
clericofchaos1 Fair point
You could do the theory that talks about Red destroying Blue's life, killing the raticate, taking his Champion title etc.
Which is another theory of why red is in MT Silver, and Blue in the Volcano island, probably thinking about killing himself.
A more credible explanation would be Oak gave Red the call that there was this worthy trainer who could challenge him, and told him to meet him in Mt Silver.
but proto charizards heat ...
The Charizard gave him the warmth,and melted the hail.
As crazy as it sounds, I'm going to go with this
Games: Ghost theory
Manga : Mew theory
Show/Origins: Crazy Theory
I mean Red in the game can never do anything that implies he's alive.
when red lost to ethan, he raged and jumped off the mountain and landed on a wild snorlax and then got home and played minecraft
It makes sense now. When the trainers pokemon fainted, the trainer teleports all away to the pokecenter. That could happen to red.
I read on the pokemon timeline that he went to train on mount Silver, and left Lance in charge of the Pokemon League.
Red just used an escape rope for went to the PC then flew home.
Food Source:Snorlax's leftovers,Maybe Venusaur's leaf's?.......
Heat Source: Charizards flame
Water Source:Blastoise's Water beam,Maybe Venusaur's giant leaf's can make it like a blanket?
I worked in the mountains, air isn't "thinner" it's the exact same, it's just that there are fewer oxygen molecules at higher elevation due to gravity.
Or 4, seeing the new Pokemon on Mount Silver and Gold's Pokemon, Red left to go exploring and catching more Pokemon from Johto and eventually other regions.
+ProtoMario if he is finding mew, maybe he is transported to the tree of beginning by mew after he finds it and tries to find a way out then he goes to the mt. silver to know the directions back to kanto region?
He escapes after you defeat him. Then he returns to his house. Then he travels to Unova. Then he goes back home. Then he goes to Alola for vacation. Then he meets Blue in Alola, then goes to the Battle Tree.
And now he took a vacation to the Alola islands Lol
He wentblooking for Mew and broke down when he saw new pokemon at Mount Silver, breaking his spirit. Oak lying about Red catching every pokemon, Gold beating him. His spirit died. So he entered a tournament only to lose.
i feel that pokemon special offers a more logical explanation. red goes with mount silver with gold in order to train him as well as giving pika time to have quality time with his son pichu hatched by gold. they stay there for an unknown amount of time but i believe people do know where they are and the only seen accommodation is a hotspring (maybe either lower down the mountain or made by golds typhlosion) though it is possible that they are not staying their 24/7 since they do eventually leave the mountain. also there was one outside witness watching their training in order to interview red who was so impressed by his pokemon that he decided to make a power ranger like tv show (that dia and silver love) with his pokemon poliwrath, venasuar, pikachu, snorlax, gyarados, and aerodactyl as the leads.
My theory is that after red got all the badges in the the kanto region he decided to go to the Jhoto region and wait on mt silver for a worthy trainer strong enough to defeat him and he probably had his pokemon (charizard) to keep him warm and venasaur to eat fruit from
It makes more sense that Red is in fact dead and you're fighting his ghost. Makes more sense than any other theory.
Let's join two of them. Red wants to look for Mew, he's been everywhere but Mt.Silver, NOW, looking at various character/npc dialogue about Mt. Silver from both the games AND Anime, it is known that this mountain is in fact a dangerous area. Not just talking about the elevation and impending weather but I believe the one guard at Victory Road even says to you during G/S/C something along the lines of "you can't come this way yet...there's many dangerous pokemon...", whether or not you want to believe the idea that Pokemon can hurt humans is up to you.
Now let's revisit the Marawak ghost in Lavender town. It stays their, by the stairs because it simply CANNOT move on to the afterlife. If you don't have the SILPH SCOPE the ghostly Marawak will BLOCK YOUR PATH. It is not transparent, it is a physical entity. Well perhaps Red is as well. Maybe training on Mt.Silver his Pokemon fainted and trying to get to the Pkmn center he fell to his death, froze to death, mauled by Pokemon...idfk. But he's dead, and he stays at Mt.Silver, not because he wants to, because he is forced to. It is HIS purgatory. And perhaps he cannot transition into the after life until he finishes/completes the task he set out to do. Mew is not on the mountain, therefore Red is stuck their indefinitely. Not even beating him in a battle sends him away - which is the sadest.
I have a modified explanation, that combines 1 and 3. He originally went there looking for Mew, and found many new Pokemon. Realizing that Oak lied to him, he trained, vigorously, going to the most obscure locations, and eventually chasing Mew once more to Mt. Silver. There he trained himself, made himself stronger, as he learned that Mew would only appear for the strongest trainer in the world. He needed Mew in order to be powerful enough to face Professor Oak once and for all, as Red learned that Oak had committed unethical Pokemon research and experiments. He needed to stop it. However, his quest was interrupted. Gold defeated him, dethroning Red as the most powerful trainer. Red, in despair, threw himself off of Mt. Silver, leaving Oak to continue his unethical research.
Well that got dark quickly
no pokemon character has ever been shown being vulnerable to the elements
What if Red was trying to complete the KANTO Pokédex because he knew that there were more pokémon (because there obviously are more than 151. Ash saw Ho-oh in Kanto as it was flying.) and was trying to complete that instead of yhe national Pokédex, went to the mountain to find Mew, stayed there for a short period of time, used the mountain as a lookout point to try to see Mew, and then got challenged by Gold and whited out due to his lack of Pokémon? This would explain his sudden disappearance, his ability to be there, and why he reappears in the Champion Tournament, supposedly catching Mew, and wanting to battle for fun and be a champion again.
My interpretation was always that after becoming champion and completing the dex, Red was so powerful that he just got bored of it all, and went to Mt. Silver to challenge himself and isolate
What about when your character goes to the top of mount silver? He doesn't have winter clothes either
When you battle red on my silver,it's a memory.
His Charizard could've kept him warm there. And he could've just fled there with Charizard.
Red and blue got hired to be the bosses of the battle tree in sun and moon
The 3rd explanation is what came to mind
professor oak allows you to go mount silver in gen 2 and the remakes
he could of told RED to go there to meet you , or Oak knew RED was there anyways and sent you to Battle him
You know what would be awesome?
If after you beat red. He doesn’t leave yet. He does his “...” pause then immediately fight him one more time with your same party with those who are fainted or not remain with same hp/pp against a Lvl 100 Mewtwo with another badass theme and then end it like that!
Just a thought
I don't think Red stayed on top of Mt. Silver for long periods of time. I think he only went there to train and left when he was done training. After the battle with Gold, I think he was taken back, realizing that there were other trainers on par with himself and that he needed to train harder. I'd say he gave up his league champion status, went back to Palet Town, visited Oak and had a discussion, Oak tells him about the other regions, and Red decides to continue his journey to other regions to challenge himself. I do not believe he is a ghost or that he went mad after finding out there were more pokemon. He's a trainer, pretty sure he would be stoked there were more pokemon to discover.
I believe that Red traveled around the world, trying to catch every Pokemon, not just Kanto, and was up on the mountain looking for ice types, when gold just wondered up there.
Keeps preaching that Red is dead due to no winter gear, when Gold does the same exact thing. -_-
Here's a crazy theory: what if he was on mount moon because its where snorlax usually sleeps at so it has enough food to feed snorlax!
Hey proto, how about you do a theory on how many more regions are there? It may be tough, but I want to see.😫😅
proto I don't know if you did this theory but could you do one on why there was even a poke-war ?
I have a Theory for you: Why does Machamp gain 2 arms when it evolves from Machoke, and why does Graveler lose 2 arms when it evolves.
I have a question but no theory. Who did Blue/Gary battle in the Pokemon League to become the champion? Who was the champion before him?
Wait, it was said that "Humans evolved from Pokemon", right? Well, back in the Red and Blue games, Pokemon didn't eat anything but rare candies. And in red version, I don't remember Red Eating
Red went to alola
correction: 3 years later.
Well, in Pokémon Adventures manga they explain why he goes there: to train and try to. Cure his hands from the ice shackles Lorelei put on him. Blue and Green lend him their charizard and blastoise. That explains his team. However... That is just the manga
Could you do a theory about the Lookers appearance in ORAS? He makes me so sad and I would like an answer as to how he got poled into that dimension with no recollection.
*Maybe when Red appeared in Black and white I bet his new goal was to Battle every strong trainer and by Really Catching em All!*
He's probably gotten so strong that he doesn't know what to do. So he ended up waiting for a trainer to beat him. Cause in pokemon g,s and crystal the whole game leads you to fight him. "Its lonely at the top"
Has no one thought that what if Red did what he always (and heck every other trainer in this series) does when loses a battle, black out, think about ge just disappears 'cause you took down his pokemon what happens when OTHERS do that, he runs to the neatest pokemon center. That might be why just up and leaves after the fight
You can find Red in Pokémon Sun & Moon at the battle tree.
When you realize red is actually you and now you're someone who forgets his social life his friends family he's gone rogue
What if he was using the mountain as a vantage point? It makes sense, if you have just cleared two regions and two elite fours and filled the pokedex with one team then you need find a real challenge like climbing a mountain to cross into a new territory. Mew lives in a tropical rain forest as well, so not sure why he's gone looking up a snowy mountain.....
Explanation 3 is the theory that makes the most sense in my opinion as he doesnt talk or anything when gold encounters him showing that he lost his mind .
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If that's the case, he lost his mind from the very beginning of Gen.1.
LeGeND hAs iT hE wAs waitInG fOr mEW
He has 999999 max restores and revieves
his mom also said that he had not come home for a long long time
My theory is that red is a special npc he actually blacks out like us when we lose a fight to a pokemon center
how long is it in between the generations? how do we know that the gen 1 and 2 games didn't happen similtaniusly
Got a theory, red died on the mountain and a mew transformed and took his place. That’s why he’s not able to say anything and survive that long!
EDIT: Oh, someone in the comments already had that theory, my bad.
I have a really crazy (and kinda long) theory about Red (in Modern Timeline).
After defeating the league, Red travels to the Sevii Islands and stops the possible Team Rocket's return, and there he finds Pokemon from Johto.
After seeing than the world is a lot more that just Kanto and, thanks to the machine that let the communication between Kanto and Hoenn, Red had the chance to contact Brendan/May and trade Pokemon from both regions. He also learned about other interesting places (an island where it is said that Mew lives and another one for Deoxys). Red would be really exciting about everything that happens in Hoenn, reason that let him hype to go there and, even if he couldn't see the Groudon/Kyogre events, he would find a really big challenge (besides the Hoenn League): the Battle Frontier.
After his adventure in Hoenn, Red would return to Kanto and explain everything to his mom, Green and Oak, etc. and he would notice a big technologic advance in the region. He also would know about a boy called Gold from a really close region known as Johto and how he managed to stop the return of Team Rocket and became the new League Champion, which included Kanto and Johto now. He decides to battle him, so he goes to train in Mt. Silver and, for an odd coincidence, he finds him at the top of the mountain. He uses his old team because is his favorite, not because he doesn't have another one.
After a fiery battle, Red loses and goes to the Pokemon Center. He goes to Johto to get some new Pokemon, visit some famous places and, of course, get back his Champion title. But while he is in Johto, there's a not-so-far region in the north (Sinnoh), where strange events are happening (Palkia/Dialga). Without Team Rocket and with a lot of experience at that point, Red wouldn't take too long to get back in the Hall of Fame and he would hurry up to Sinnoh.
In Sinnoh, he would be late again to see the legendary Pokemon, but he would fill again his Dex and fight another Battle Frontier.
After traveling this four regions (Kanto, Hoenn, Johto, Sinnoh), some years (between three and four) have passed since his battle with Gold. Technology has advanced at big steps and people from really far away regions is finally having a bigger contact with the other without many problems. Red discovers a totally new region, which wasn't really known before: Unova. He manages to go there a while after the events in BW2 and he inmediately wants to catch the all new Pokemon he sees there. One day, he finds a peculiar tourney where people from all the world can enter. There he finds really close people, like Green, Giovanni or Lance, and a mysterious boy who looks like a great trainer. It isn't 100% sure that they fought in the tourney, so he may win/lose/tie with this kid.
He then just becomes a Pokemon Master who travels to new regions searching for new challenges and Pokemon to catch.
We never seen a trainer black out. Gamefreak showed us Red for the trainer black out
Realistically (if he were real) he would just be traveling around more regions...? There are now like 8 regions, and obviously more to be introduced in future titles, so I doubt he would just stay in Kanto/Johto forever.
Red is just going trough some thangs he debating wether to be a trainer or become like Giovanni
I'd say the second one, just like episode 20 of indigo league at Maiden's Peak while she waited for her love to return
Expect in this case it's on mount silver while he waits to find mew
Ask Masuda, he knows where Red is.
I believe that red heard about how a trainer was traveling around Kanto and johto defeating all the gyms which made red excited about a new challenge, so he went around johto and when he took a break on my silver ,gold showed up
"(Redone)"
Does that mean there's more than one Red?
Oh wait, nevermind...
Pretty sure he just went to train. I want to know what happened to black!