I was nervous about safety and ease of use. Let me tell you these things go on so easy and the build quality is fantastic. Would highly recommend for any true run and gun hunter looking to cut weight and bulk
If you set one at waist height which is about 3’ and one just above your head you can just use the one above your head and step off the tree to get up to the first step, then you can wrap your line around the tree set another one above your head while standing on the first step and again use the third step to pull yourself up the the second step. Just be sure to tie off to the third step in case you fall..it’s a lot less effort getting up the tree and don’t have to deal with all that connecting and disconnecting.
Thank you for the video. Have you considered making both sides the same? Each with a hook below the knee and carabiner with elastic at the hip. It seems like it would make the climb easier if the steps were not in a straight line. You could also easily pull up the hook side if you have heavy clothing.
When you use the nader/swader system, do you ever decend the tree using your Grigri? I like the climbing method, but going up seems a little easier than coming down, and you can't get any simpler than coming down than a Grigri. YOu could unfasten the steps on the way down. thoughts?
That is exactly how I do it. But I use a mad rock safeguard instead of a Grigi. You could use any rappel setup as long as you had an auto block or something to stop you while you descend so that you can retrieve your climbing method
Could you girth hitch a daisy chain of webbing and hook your knaider and swaider to that instead of a WE Step? Would be cheaper. For that matter, you could have a girth hitched daisy chain of webbing for the knaider and one for the swaider, and climb the whole tree with just them, as long as you keep your linesman belt between the two girth hitches. Cheap and light!
do not use a Knaider Swaider ccombination without having your linemans belt attached or using a tether. The other day when practicing climbing with a Knaider Swaider and wild edge steps. I becaue was only going up one step nd did not have my linemans belt attached to the tree. One minute I was attached to stand with my knaider. the next scond I was hanging upside down hanging from my Knaider. Yes, I was hanging upside down. After geetting my witts because and that I was only one step high I could get myself straightened up and disconected from the tree. I was a valuable lesson to learned only one step off the ground. I bruised my wrist and rib cage, along with my pride. It could have been a lot worse if I had been up 20 feet.
Ok should I do 5 wild edge steps with the naider and swaider or 8 wild edge steps and no naider or swaider. Its about the same price the 5 an N/S saves 3 pounds and 3 knots but seems like a little more of a hassle
I am unable to message you on saddle hunter because I do not have the permissions yet. I would like to get a set of these from you. Are you able to send me the info on ordering?
Jamie are you right handed or left? I just received mine and I feel like it makes more sense to put my first step with my fright foot so putting swaider on right foot
I never get kick out on the knaider. It’s much easier to control than the swaider, which can kick out easily. But yeah I imagine that would be a weird predicament to be in. It’s a pretty acrobatic climbing method honestly. It can be really useful for saving weight but it’s really important to go slow and always keep your foot against the tree. Everyone recommends a long linemans belt but I prefer it shorter so you don’t get too far away from the tree. It helps with kicking out.
I want this but $26 USD shipping to Ontario Canada on a $45 USD order, no can do! Too bad looks to be the best one out there. Also looking for a versa aider. Message me if we can work out a better price.
i viewed your video the other day but would not let me comment cool vid typed in your email address cant be found please make this right would like to purchase both items thanks
I like it, but part of me wonders if one day one of these saddle hunters are gonna get hung up in all the ropes and gear they carry. and have to be rescued from themselves like a fish in a net.
It's a possibility lol. You just have to be careful. Its actually the safest way to hunt because you're always connected to the tree. You cant fall because you're already hanging
@@overwatchoutdoors910 I agree. LOL..Just picturing a new guy trying to implement all the different ways to do it and buying all kinds of straps and gear and next thing you know he's wrapped up in all kinds of stuff entangled trying to figure out what goes where.
HOW STUPID. NOW EXPLAIN HOW WELL THIS NONSENSE WORKS WITH YOUR WINTER COAT AND HUNTING BOOTS ON ? WHO WANTS ALL THAT CRAP HANGING OFF OF THEM ANYWAY ? L.O.L.
I got my knaider and swaider in the mail today. Great quality and fast service. They are way better than the ones I made out of old ratchet straps.
How did u order them?
I was nervous about safety and ease of use. Let me tell you these things go on so easy and the build quality is fantastic. Would highly recommend for any true run and gun hunter looking to cut weight and bulk
If you set one at waist height which is about 3’ and one just above your head you can just use the one above your head and step off the tree to get up to the first step, then you can wrap your line around the tree set another one above your head while standing on the first step and again use the third step to pull yourself up the the second step. Just be sure to tie off to the third step in case you fall..it’s a lot less effort getting up the tree and don’t have to deal with all that connecting and disconnecting.
Thank you for the video. Have you considered making both sides the same? Each with a hook below the knee and carabiner with elastic at the hip. It seems like it would make the climb easier if the steps were not in a straight line. You could also easily pull up the hook side if you have heavy clothing.
What do you use for a platform? Could you do a video of the transition from climbing to the platform?
Hi, I'm interested in purchasing your system how much and how do I het it Thank's Ralph
Gotta baiter. He just turned 15. Stays in bathroom all damn day
He will be a master in no time😆
🤣 Me too 🙄
I'm almost certain knaider is short for "knee aider," but what is swaider short for?
How many Stepps then do you need to get up to 18-20ft hunting height?
When you use the nader/swader system, do you ever decend the tree using your Grigri? I like the climbing method, but going up seems a little easier than coming down, and you can't get any simpler than coming down than a Grigri. YOu could unfasten the steps on the way down. thoughts?
That is exactly how I do it. But I use a mad rock safeguard instead of a Grigi. You could use any rappel setup as long as you had an auto block or something to stop you while you descend so that you can retrieve your climbing method
Could you girth hitch a daisy chain of webbing and hook your knaider and swaider to that instead of a WE Step? Would be cheaper. For that matter, you could have a girth hitched daisy chain of webbing for the knaider and one for the swaider, and climb the whole tree with just them, as long as you keep your linesman belt between the two girth hitches. Cheap and light!
Yes people actually do that. Its kind of a pain but it works
Does the knaider swagger come with each order or are they ordered separately?
Do you have a site for ordering and prices? If not, what is the cost and how do you order these?
I'm torn between this and one stick method for my saddle.
I say just buy all of the climbing methods and use what works best for each situation
do not use a Knaider Swaider ccombination without having your linemans belt attached or using a tether. The other day when practicing climbing with a Knaider Swaider and wild edge steps. I becaue was only going up one step nd did not have my linemans belt attached to the tree. One minute I was attached to stand with my knaider. the next scond I was hanging upside down hanging from my Knaider. Yes, I was hanging upside down. After geetting my witts because and that I was only one step high I could get myself straightened up and disconected from the tree. I was a valuable lesson to learned only one step off the ground. I bruised my wrist and rib cage, along with my pride. It could have been a lot worse if I had been up 20 feet.
Ok should I do 5 wild edge steps with the naider and swaider or 8 wild edge steps and no naider or swaider. Its about the same price the 5 an N/S saves 3 pounds and 3 knots but seems like a little more of a hassle
I can get to 20 feet with just 6 and a knaider which is a little easier than using the knaider and swaider with 4 steps
Great video! How do I go about ordering 2 sets 🤔
Doublesteps.com
Where do I get em?
I am unable to message you on saddle hunter because I do not have the permissions yet. I would like to get a set of these from you. Are you able to send me the info on ordering?
Email me at jamiecline84@gmail.com
I want to order a pair. How do I do it?
Doublesteps.com has them
Can you put a number to how many feet/step your ascending with this method?
I am getting right at 5 feet per step. I'm a little over 6 feet tall
Jamie are you right handed or left? I just received mine and I feel like it makes more sense to put my first step with my fright foot so putting swaider on right foot
Where can I get a set!
You can order them from doublesteps.com
Jamie do you like SRT the best or this
This is probably the method I use the most because it works on any tree and doesnt require much effort. I like SRT for pre sets
Been trying srt. Its definitely not a run and gun method. Can't use half the trees you want to and pointless early morning unless you have presets.
Kick out while on the knaider equals hanging by your calf. Luckily I was only on the first step
I never get kick out on the knaider. It’s much easier to control than the swaider, which can kick out easily. But yeah I imagine that would be a weird predicament to be in. It’s a pretty acrobatic climbing method honestly. It can be really useful for saving weight but it’s really important to go slow and always keep your foot against the tree. Everyone recommends a long linemans belt but I prefer it shorter so you don’t get too far away from the tree. It helps with kicking out.
I agree about the acrobatics
Can you purchase one or you have to make it or can you tell me where and how to get one thanks sir
Just email me at jamiecline84@gmail.com and I'll help you out
They are available to purchase at doublesteps.com
Good job!
What type of saddle are you using?
Will this work for dudes 270 or will those steps shift
The steps are a little tricky to figure out but with a little practice you’ll get them locked onto the tree with no problems
How well will this work if I just use the Swaider?
You would be better off just using the knaider. The swaider would be too long and would have to be adjusted down to the length of the knaider
@@overwatchoutdoors910 OK I actually am planning on making one continuous amsteel circle to hook onto my versa button
@@overwatchoutdoors910 thank you very much sir! I just got into saddle hunting after getting out of the army it’s awesome and a lot to learn
He makes that look easier than it is let me tell u lol
Jamie, what type bridge do you have on your saddle?
It's a bluewater sewn lanyard decelerator. Here is the link www.bluewaterropes.com/product/10-5mm-decelerator-dynamic-lanyard/
Is this your preferred climbing method?
Yes it's the one I use the most
How can a man order these?
They are available on doublesteps.com
Interested in this product. Message me when you get a chance please
Awesome video 👍🏻 any pointers where I can purchase this system
doublesteps.com set me up. Said they were running behind, but here we are mid-pandemic, and they shipped it to me in under a week.
Where do you order the knaider/swaider from?
Doublesteps.com has them. If they are not in stock it usually takes less than a week if you backorder them
I want this but $26 USD shipping to Ontario Canada on a $45 USD order, no can do! Too bad looks to be the best one out there. Also looking for a versa aider. Message me if we can work out a better price.
i viewed your video the other day but would not let me comment cool vid typed in your email address cant be found please make this right would like to purchase both items thanks
Email is jamiecline84@gmail.com
Where can I buy that step to attach the Nater and swater( yes ik I spelt them wrong)
It is a wild edge step from wild edge outdoors
I like it, but part of me wonders if one day one of these saddle hunters are gonna get hung up in all the ropes and gear they carry. and have to be rescued from themselves like a fish in a net.
It's a possibility lol. You just have to be careful. Its actually the safest way to hunt because you're always connected to the tree. You cant fall because you're already hanging
@@overwatchoutdoors910 I agree. LOL..Just picturing a new guy trying to implement all the different ways to do it and buying all kinds of straps and gear and next thing you know he's wrapped up in all kinds of stuff entangled trying to figure out what goes where.
What is naider shwaider? You didn’t tell us!.... what is it? A new flavor ice cream from Ben & Jerry’s? Come on man!
Looks like a pain in the ass
It can be. You have to practice with it to be proficient. I was pretty out of practice when I made this video
@@overwatchoutdoors910 I run a three step aider at the bottom of my tree that’s aggravating enough some days
@@bigmike9558 this method works much better on a stick than the wild edge steps in my opinion. A lot less fiddling
HOW STUPID. NOW EXPLAIN HOW WELL THIS NONSENSE WORKS WITH YOUR WINTER COAT AND HUNTING BOOTS ON ? WHO WANTS ALL THAT CRAP HANGING OFF OF THEM ANYWAY ? L.O.L.
Or you use the one hand in front of the other repeat you dont have a clue