I loved the beginning of the “mission statement” where he immediately starts talking about how many millions of people that have come through FBC 2nd only to the Vatican. 🤣🤣 People have told me…
@@DrPhilGoode there have been millions. If you lived in this area you would know that there's not one Church in this area where you go to that doesn't have people who got saved there. God's judgment will tell everything 😜
@@ChristianMisfits2020 I was born and raised in NW Indiana…I am familiar. Regardless, what’s the purpose of that statement in this situation? What does that have to do with the topic at hand? How is that statement related to this horrendous abuse? It’s not…it is deflection. I’m not questioning the “millions”. I’m questioning the reason for mentioning it.
Praying for this church. The brothers and sisters who attend this church are NOT guilty by association. Only those whose hands committed the crime are guilty and they are the only ones who need to repent. It is absolutely not true that every single person who goes to this particular church has blood on their hands.
It is absolutely NOT TRUE that you can protect, defend, and support known predators and be unstained by their sin. You cannot be deaf to the cries of victims and pretend to have the love of God in your heart. When the victim asks you just to LISTEN to what was done to them and you refuse, then you are one of the predators. The men of this church collude in the coverup of past and present predators. The women attack the victims and tell them that they are guilty for seducing the preachers. Every person in this church has "pleasure in them who do such things" and will, someday, have a conversation with God about how they treated "one of these little ones."
I have followed what has happened at the First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN pretty since the late Dr. Robert L Sumner published his articles on the issue back in the late 1980's. I why something wasn't done back then? Sin should be dealt with early and quickly! When it is allowed to go on unpunished it will continue to grow(see 1 Cor.5; Gal.5:9)! So I am not surprised by this. This ought to be a warning to any pastor who overlooks sin in his church! Especially if he is ditectly involved!
The reason is simple -the root cause: IDOLATRY -total blind obedience to a man. That's how every one of their churches is set up. There are ZERO churches in the N.T. with only one pastor- bishop. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. compare Acts 14:23, 20:17,28. Titus 1:5..etc. They are ROMAN CATHOLIC in structure- therefore it MUST end in IDOLATRY and TOTAL APOSTASY...
Except that he specifically said that it should be reported to Law Enforcement officers IN THE CHURCH. The LEO can pretend to "investigate" and say "not supported" and now the church has covered everything up again and the predator continues destroying others. The church knows this is going on and doesn't want anyone to say it in public. Evil, Evil, Evil.
But hes lying. I know a bunch of these victims and he and the church hasnt reached out to any of them and when they try they are escorted off the property, their phone numbers are blocked and their letters returned. I even had my name mentioned once in a sermon many years ago and I had to threaten them with a ceast and desist letter. That was years after I left. No reason to even mention me, but they did. So dont tell me about how great and godly they are. I know first hand its BS. It's a cult or at least operates as a cult. Why do you think they wont let their staff of member talk to the press? For nothing? Its because they are afraid the truth will come out. Duh.
No. This isn't support for the victims. This is being complacent. He knows very well this isn't some small "mistake" by the church. There's YEARS of abuse. He also still supports Hyles and his teachings which are very toxic and so is the the Baptist schools! This church need to be taken down. Period! Ain't no "focus on God" FOCUS ON TRUE JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY!
The victims have a specific request, come listen to our stories publicly. He refuses this request. That's not support. He instead threatens them with a "private" meeting. They have all already been through these "private" "support" meetings. You know, the meetings that end up with them crying and begging God to forgive them for "their part." This isn't the Love of Christ.
Can you share what happen exactly i am a spanish speaker AND here in my country came a bunch of missionaries from hammond exalting a hyles guy.... @@timothyparkhurst8352
I am no fan of FBCH - but you have to give credit where credit is due. Wilkerson inherited a mess that is beyond comprehension, that no pastor in his right mind would want to walk into. If he says one thing, he angers the Hyles elites and loyalists, if another, the multitudes who oppose Hyles and his shenanigans. I personally would like to see him address the mess Hyles left behind, own up to it, make restitution where possible, and publicly distance himself from Hyles, his methods, and his doctrinal deviations. Is that the goal of this protest, or just to embarrass and expose them? If the current pastor is trying to address these issues in the best way he can, will it help or hinder his efforts?
I agree with you 100%. I am no fan of this church or movement but I very much appreciate this response of his. Hopefully there is reform in the IFB from this.
I agree that him making an actual stand would make either the die hard IFBers or haters angry. What happened to doing what is right? Doesn’t matter if he makes Lapina, Vogel, and the rest of them mad. They got caught through that documentary when they would not speak to that woman. If Wilkerson was different than Hyles and Schaap he would have sat down and talked openly with her. But here we are…again.
@@hoosiermamma2726but its interesting how it comes to pedos in Hollywood, the Catholic church, or Scientology the people who are up in arms about Hylea are silent. It's like sexual assault only matters depending on the perpetrator.
The evidence that Gods hand is upon first Baptist and pastor Wilkerson is there. 1. Thousands of souls are being saved 2. Hundreds of people are being trained to serve the Lord. 3. Peoples lives are being changed. (Personally know some of them) 4. Church is still standing Matthew 16:18 “ And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” By the way pastor John Wilkerson is probably the most humble man I’ve met Also for those saying the victims need justice not the healing of Jesus, in my life I’ve received many injustices but Jesus has given me peace and heal. The most important thing is healing though Jesus because we can have justice but not healing and still live an angry bitter life. Don’t get me wrong I support the victims in their hurt but there’s a right way to do things. After all, we will ultimately give an account to God of our decisions regardless of our circumstances. We cannot blame others for our decisions
I can tell by statements like this these problems will never be fixed and are a core staple of not only this church but the entire denomination as a whole. No doubt 25 years from now an entire new generation of victims will be trying to speak up
It’s very hard to listen to anyone associated with this place. I love how he kept saying we must love them and show them Christ. Well, I’d say your first step, sir, is to listen to the stories! Stand there and listen to the pain and hurt! No one who’s been hurt wants a private meeting especially since it was silenced and swept under the rug for so long! I wish I lived closer! I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!!
He did say report to the police . He did say call the hotline. He did say if you don't know who to call ,call our security team and they will tell you.
The church is going to spank the people who are accused of abuse... 😂 legal justice is administered by the legal justice system. You don't want any religious instutution dispensing legal resolutions.
I was born and raised a baptist. The hyles crowd has never been what I’m involved in, in fact I’ve been encouraged away from them all my life. The problem with church people is we trust anybody with our children. There are people in my church that I love, but I don’t trust any of them with my children. People rightfully cry out about these abuses in churches but it is in every aspect of society today. For every Catholic pedophile, there are 100 pedophiles in public schools. Perverts are attracted to environments where people are trusting of one another. Many preachers that I’ve been around warned about this kind of stuff, even 70 years ago. Joe Parsons ( a North Carolina preacher) used to make everyone mad when he would preach about perverts infiltrating churches, and that was in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I try not to be a complete weirdo but I don’t trust every nice person that comes along with my children.
I am deeply sorry for anyone that has been led astray from the faith due to the wickedness of men. I pray the Lord mends the hearts of those that were broken and calls out to you all. Remember, the sheep know the voice of their shepherd. The ultimate goal of satan is to draw you away from Abba - please, I beg of you to not allow that to happen. If you truly study the Word of God and pray for discernment, wisdom, and understanding, you will realize that God never lets us down. He leaves the 99 to redeem that one lost sheep. I love you, my brothers and sisters. Let us always keep our eyes on the Lord, He is worthy and He is waiting for us to rejoice in His presence.
Fundamentalist religion doesn’t have problems. *Fundamentalist religion is the problem.* It is a wicked and cancerous system in any religion. If god were real he would have put a stop to it eons ago, in addition to showing the F up. But since this god won’t tell his follower to stop being aiyholles, I can’t respect this god because he is either as wicked as they are or he doesn’t exist. And after reading the Bible, none of those two possibilities would surprise me.
Wilkerson needs to condemn Hyles and his crowd that have covered up the abuse that still goes on. it started with Hyles and that's where true contrition would be visible.
He would have to fire Moffitt and Lapina if he did that. There are videos of them praising a convicted pedophile in 93. They are part of the great coverups. Google: Hyles and AV Ballenger fundraising Banquet 1993. Then look at the list of presenters.
Kindly said, Pastor Wilkerson is not God and it is not his place to condemn anybody. He is doing the right thing not to condemn others. 𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘 𝟕:𝟏, "𝑱𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆 𝒏𝒐𝒕, 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒆 𝒃𝒆 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅." Brother Wilkerson was working 2,500 miles away before he became the pastor of FBCH. You're assuming that Dr. Hyles is guilty based on gossip and hearsay, not facts. It would be very wrong for Pastor Wilkerson to condemn a man without having firsthand knowledge, like many of the protesters are doing. The adage is still true: 𝙳𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚏 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚎.
This Pastor is a true man of God!! And he obviously is doing what is right and godly for the victims, the church, and most importantly, the name of Christ. Wherever you have an abundance of children, you will draw filthy child molesters. For that reason, there has to be a watchful eye of accountability, which this Pastor has. Love is of God! Nobody will escape molesting children.
Oh yes, obviously, the pastor can be trusted to be his own eye of accountability. After all, the church was accountable to only itself in the past and that worked out well. It is obvious to me, just from the video, that the pastor is a man of Himself, not of God. He refuses to be accountable to anyone. I hope that some prosecutor will inform him that he is accountable to all of the people of Indiana for what his church has done to their children. Not just the molesters, but also their protectors should be in prison.
@TheDaleSwitzer If you didn't listen, here is the reality, over one million people have come through the church at times past. The church is on earth to reach lost, hell bound sinners, man, women, and children who have reached accountability. The devil wants as many souls to live, bread, and die without Christ. The Church is accountable to God then man. The Catholic system is a wellhead of pedophiles. Anywhere children are, the pedophiles will show up, and that will not stop the church from telling the good news of Christ.
I love First Baptist! I love Dr. Hyles! I loved Hyles Anderson College when I was there in 1983! Devil always attacks what God is doing! I stand with Hyles!
The purpose of a public statement by a church is not for people to come on and talk about how much they that church. It’s a time to reflect, grieve, mourn, and repent and seek Justice on the behalf of victims. If you love a church tell them on their church anniversary not when addressing abuse. Also, kicking people out and saying yourE going to call the cops when they asked to speak with the new pastor is NOT SHOWING that you care about them.
@@rebekahrutt5491 Devil got you wrapped up in all the hype. Tricks and distractions to attack God's work. Don't be a "Willy Lump Lump"! Stick to your gardening.
@@oldschoolbiblebaptist Do you think America should repent of killing babies but fundies don’t have to repent of it’s history of covering up for abusers? You might be a hypocrite. You think the children of Israel had to repent of the sins of their fathers but IFBers don’t have to? Clean your own house, you spineless coward.
The oil dripping of this pitchman could fuel a country. Any statement needs to begin with repentance and a condemnation of the church's past. The fact that their seminary still bears the name of Jack Hyles says it all.
The protest was on behalf of the documentary Let Us Prey. It discussed the rape and sexual assault within the IFB churches. Hyles and Schaap are mentioned heavily in the documentary. Since FBC Hammond is the home base for the IFB, the protest needed to be done there. Some of the people in the documentary attended Hyles Anderson College, including a few victims.
I may have missed it, but I'm pretty sure I didn't hear a single instance of him denouncing the actual abusers. Sympathy for victims =\= calling out the abusers.
I don't believe that was the purpose of the statement. The statement was meant to be vague on purpose. Secondly, because of the legal challenges FBCH may have to face in the future. It probably was crafted by Church attorneys to keep the pastor from accidentally saying something that might be legally challenging, stupid or offensive. The good news I hear is they are not hiding or covering up the abuse anymore.
@@michaelragnanese I'm sadly very familiar with that church and how it has operated. I'm not at all surprised that the statement was as vague as it was. I'm just sick of that place and the IFB movement doing this sort of thing.
Im so glad the victims have remained persistent. Im so glad they never stopped even when this man ignored them and has done and said nothing for so long. Stop making Christ look awful by covering up for those that do evil
Can you please tell me when the last time the Catholics Church has made an international public statement? If they have I have missed it somewhere in the past 20 years.
This same man who says he stands with victims and reports ab*se dissuaded my own mother from getting to safety from her ab*ser of THIRTY YEARS. And he went on to tell me that I don’t know my own father and that god can change him. The bullshit meter is through the roof.
They don't see spouse abuse the same as child abuse even now . They can see child sexual abuse being bad because they've been forced to. But if it's your spouse you're supposed to give it over to god.
Revelation 12;10, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, 𝒘𝒉𝒊𝒄𝒉 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒖𝒔𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎 𝒃𝒆𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝑮𝒐𝒅 𝒅𝒂𝒚 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒏𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕."
He sure knows what he's supposed to say when all eyes are on him. Sort of rings hollow when he declined to do so before we knew what monsters he protects.
When will the Assembly of God follow suit. I still have nightmares of rape after what the pastors nephew did. The pastor lied to the EEOC investigator. The AG leadership refused to listen because I wasn't an official member. My SBC pastor refused to help because Matthew 18 only applies to a "Brother" in that building. I do not feel safe in church after spiritual bypassing and spiritual abuse.
@@lornajean7286 no. Listening to the pastor tell victims to not make public accusations and to instead go to law enforcement people who go to the church is sufficient. He is telling current victims to keep silent. That is enough for me. I wouldn't put myself inside his circle of muscle men even for an hour.
Notice he said he wouldn't meet people in public, only in private. Also, told people that have been victims to contact the police but immedatley followed it up with church security, church members that are LEO's.
And those who want to use the street only want to make a circus. Enemies of the Lord were eager to speak evil of king David, remember. That is human nature. It would be in appropriate. I caution all to beware of judging this pastor. He’s got to deal with Hyles’ mess.
We know, from what has happened in the past, what happens in those "private" meetings. The victim is made to confess their own "sin" (after all they were groomed and allowed it to happen, or dressed immodestly, etc) then the victim is told that in order to not "bring reproach on Christ" that this must be kept quiet. The victim is then guided to a FRIENDLY law enforcement officer (preferably one in the church) who will assist in "not bringing reproach on the church."
I wish he’d condemn and speak out against the people who are the reason for the protest in the first place, but I feel like this was handled well, at least better than I thought it would be
@@ChristianMisfits2020 You believe that? What changed so extensively? What new administrative rules were put in place? What new trainings took place? 7 years from now when the CURRENT victims come out, you will say "oh that was in the past". The system that coddled predators remains in place, as proven by this statement by lawyers.
Let Us Prey came out on Max a few months ago. The victims in the documentary were upset that the IFB did nothing to help them. Yet when the documentary came out, IFB stepped up and defended themselves. The victims chose to the protest in front of FBC Hammond and let them know that it was going to happen. So he decided to address it.
This is disgraceful. I did not come to this site with a pre-determined view of how the church is responding, I just wondered if the church of Jack Hyles had done any self-examination. What I find is a statement clearly crafted by a lawyer with a view to minimizing the damage to the church. There is not a speck of repentance. There is not a hint of Psa. 51 mourning and confession. Instead the pastor simply says that all of this is in the past and that they now comply with the law. This is wonderful of them to say that because of their wonderful Christian attitude, they will meet the minimal conditions for not going to jail. Neither will the pastor take any steps toward fixing the structural problems revealed in the documentary. The church in Hammond and the churches that look to Hammond for leadership have clearly had a habit of shaming underage groomed victims and making them feel like they were "also sinning" and were "partially to blame." The church is not doing anything to assure new victims that this will change. In fact the church is re-affirming this stand. Therefore any new victims of your members know that they must keep silent. The church accepts no accountability to any outside authority. We know that there must be other victims who were not willing to have their lives invaded by coming forward. The leadership of the church knows who they are. The church also knows that some of their "past" leaders have unrevealed scandals. These "past" leaders retain informal authority in the church and a residual influence and authority to continue to abuse new victims. The church announces no new effort to look into their history and rectify these scandals eradicate that passive authority or help those silent victims who are still suffering. If I were in Hammond Indiana and had any influence in government. I would be discovering why the District Attorney has not empaneled a grand jury to do the job that the church did not do for itself, though it had many opportunities to do so. The argument that the church has done "a lot of good" through the years is as convincing as saying that riots were "mostly peaceful". Snakes only bite a few people a year and they keep the vermin population down. Even a family of snakes does some good - it is still a nest of vipers.
If you want any information on Bill Wininger just reply to this comment. He was my pastor and he was accused of child molestation and David Gibbs and Jack Hyles defended him. He later on went to pastor my church in Georgia and assaulted family members and friends of mine. The church blamed the woman and moved on with him resigning.
Is there an email address we can write to about our experiences or do you prefer not to communicate that way? Your youtube channel/podcasts are very triggering for me and yet i keep coming back. I guess knowing i'm/wasn't the only one helps tremendously. Thanks.
Nice club ring he has there! Wow, the vatican reference too. I do believe God opposes the proud & pride goes before destruction. But they're nervous about just that...watch the hands & carefully crafted statements. Where's David Gibbs, Jr when you need him?
@@Misionero4Christ I'd not shake the hand of a known wolf or have any association with the man. He probably wouldn't want to meet me anyway. My hair might be too long & I behave & dress at church the way that I would anywhere else...like a gritty fisherman, occasionally chopping off ears attached to evil people. I'm also not an initiate of the flame, so I'm not exactly a fan of the club. No, I only associate with people who have a modicum of courage & kindness, those who place a high value on truth & justice. I also go into the darkest of places to advocate for 'the least of these.' I quit the IFB 23 years ago & will only be coming back in to flip the tables if the Lord leads me to do so. The God I serve was once unsuccessfully murdered by the corporate megabeast known anecdotally as church leaders, but factually as the synagogue of Satan.
6:09 Mission statement-I don’t know of a church in history that has had more people here than all the people in history…wait what? Oh he is setting us up with a narrative…nice!! That’s what we practiced. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 good game everyone.
This is a tragedy. A wolf in sheep's clothes and the destructive nature on victims. Billy Gram had a great policy to never be alone with females. Many churches retain this policy and many require at least 2 adults and or video to protect those in their care. I must say you cannot generalize a statement about race. Such as individuals of certain skin tone are likely to do XYZ. Neither should you characterize IFB with the same broad brush. You have your right to your opinion and heart felt belief. Just use the right size brush
How is it that an IFB pastor sounded more convincing when speaking on abuse than any pastor in “liberal NY” that I’ve dealt with? Insane world getting even crazier
IFB pastors sound desceptively convincing. I'm not sure what the current sitaution is at FBC Hammond but the church has a long and dark history. It was also one of the largest churches in the country at one point. One thing you get from an IFB sermon is a shot of dopamine from the message, and people get addicted.
@@bchristian85 Damn that is so very true. I never thought of it that way, but I agree and that dopamine goes a long way with the brainwashing included.
What exactly would a protest accomplish? I think the best kind of protest would be for church members to hold the leadership accountable and leave the church, taking their tithes and offerings with them. The point of revealing the truth about these organizations is to help dear people recover themselves, and I fear bad actors and agitators may use the opportunity of a protest to hurt people on either side. We need to use the laws which are already in place to hold the abusers accountable, and continue to educate and inform, protect and comfort. I believe having a place for people in crisis to turn, with resources and information available for victims or whistleblowers to begin the process of holding people accountable for criminal behavior is much more productive than standing on a street corner yelling with signs. If you wanted to fight fire with fire, instead of protesting, you might offer 'tracts' detailing the abuse and behavior, as well as post signage in public spaces warning others. On a side note, the only reason the abusers have access is because it is given to them. People who think nothing of putting their children on a bus with complete strangers should not be surprised that bad things can and do happen. The same is true for public/private schooling, sunday school, and nursery/childcare venues. Predators seek these opportunities out, just like wolves case the sheepfold. We will never eradicate wolves, so a better strategy would be to be wiser sheep. Protesting wolves does nothing, it just gives them more access.
Congregants must see & feel the damage their false denomination has done in order to have the strength to stop funding evil & come out of fear & busyness into truly following Jesus.
@@stillWaters137 Overcome evil by doing good. People massing together is usually never a good idea as we have seen recently. There are those with bad intentions who sometimes show up and begin to do things those assembled never planned. I am against abuse, period. The bad actors are the ones who need to be held accountable. The Catholic church is rife with abuse, and yet, I still exists and no amount of protesting will ever remove it. We have to win the hearts and minds of the people inside, and protesting does little to do this. Just some observations, but as a Christian, I would hate to see anyone hurt, and we all know that ultimately we are to love our enemies, even as we hold them accountable.
@@TheProverbsmom Survivors are doing the will of God protecting future child victims, something the false church has lacked the courage & spiritual senses to do. I pray that the Holy Spirit reveals His true church & that the world will see who the church really is by their courage, their love & their willingness to go into the darkest of places to shine His glorious light. The leaders of IFB are the 'bad actors.' They're about to get shown up by some gritty fishermen or Assyrians or storehouses of hailstones/millstones...any of them would do, but I'd like to see the foremost because it would be the most humbling coming from the 'least of these.' Humility is also the most redemptive state from which to operate & nobody needs Jesus more than a pharisee or a freemason.
How many sermons these IFB preachers I have heard from the pulpit call out names of others but when it comes to abuse you dare not mention the holy nane of the abusers.
The only way to get the victory over flesh is getting filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4 was the spiritual awaking. This demonic sin will be present if you preach once saved always saved instead of Acts 2:37-39. A carnal mind is an enemy of God. To live without the Holy Ghost is to live with a carnal mind. Romans 8:5-11
Sounds good but doesn't sound like brokeness - like everything else from there sounds nice and shiny but in the end its nothing more than plastic fruit.
The irony is that Wilkerson and his congregation need to recognize they are the ones in serious error, not the abused. In the gospels Jesus says that it would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and thrown into the depths of the sea than to offend one of these little ones that believe in me. They are the last people that I would go to for council, they just need to sincerely apologize and repent ot their errors.
Me me me, us us us. His “statement” was a few seconds long (that’s too bad, little victims- can’t help it) rushed through, before he could get back to glorifying himself and his church.
"Be kind"?!? And "nothing aggressive"?!? My girlfriends and I -- FROM AS FAR BACK s the 1970s -- have been screaming rape and molestation. There's no kindness in rape and molestation. Don't throw Ephesians at me. You don't live it. And no public forum because you want to hear us in your offices? What a joke. WE'VE BEEN IN YOUR OFFICES. My parents went to Jack Hyles' office in 1980 with a letter from Dave to me, where he was soliciting me. Proof in hand of Dave's intent. Nothing was done. We've been in your offices and now want your offices closed.
It is hard to deal with a sin your son is commiting when you are having an affair yourself! That was the problem! It sounded like it was a nightmare there. As I have heard it "when the head is sick the body will be sick too!" Thank you for your testimony concerning the Hyles'! As I said I have pretty well followed the Hyles' issue starting in 1988 with "One of the Bights of Bigness" by the late Dr.Robert L. Sumner. I am praying now that I can find an inexpensive copy of the books "The Wizard of God" by the late Vic Nischik and "Fundamental Seduction" by Voyle Grover! God bless you.
Instead of Christ , listen to the victims , no amount of prayer will solve the hurt they have felt with so many years of trauma and hardship from there horrid people that hurt them. It’s matter of acknowledging making sure those people take accountability
Didn't Jesus tell us to judge something or someone by their fruits? Well, i think this church needs to recognize their fruit is rotten to the core so why would victims go to them for help. He is absolutely clueless and i dont care how sweet he comes across. There is no salvaging a system that creates "men of God" that cant be questioned.
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This statement is pure class. God bless everyone involved, and may He bring healing and restoration all around.
I loved the beginning of the “mission statement” where he immediately starts talking about how many millions of people that have come through FBC 2nd only to the Vatican. 🤣🤣 People have told me…
@@DrPhilGoode Eighth wonder of the world there!
@@DrPhilGoodeis the statue of Hyles really that big of a draw 😂
@@DrPhilGoode there have been millions. If you lived in this area you would know that there's not one Church in this area where you go to that doesn't have people who got saved there. God's judgment will tell everything 😜
@@ChristianMisfits2020 I was born and raised in NW Indiana…I am familiar. Regardless, what’s the purpose of that statement in this situation? What does that have to do with the topic at hand? How is that statement related to this horrendous abuse? It’s not…it is deflection. I’m not questioning the “millions”. I’m questioning the reason for mentioning it.
Praying for this church.
The brothers and sisters who attend this church are NOT guilty by association. Only those whose hands committed the crime are guilty and they are the only ones who need to repent.
It is absolutely not true that every single person who goes to this particular church has blood on their hands.
It is absolutely NOT TRUE that you can protect, defend, and support known predators and be unstained by their sin. You cannot be deaf to the cries of victims and pretend to have the love of God in your heart. When the victim asks you just to LISTEN to what was done to them and you refuse, then you are one of the predators.
The men of this church collude in the coverup of past and present predators. The women attack the victims and tell them that they are guilty for seducing the preachers. Every person in this church has "pleasure in them who do such things" and will, someday, have a conversation with God about how they treated "one of these little ones."
If you sit in the pigsty, you will get dirty, even if you're not an actual pig.
I have followed what has happened at the First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN pretty since the late Dr. Robert L Sumner published his articles on the issue back in the late 1980's. I why something wasn't done back then?
Sin should be dealt with early and quickly! When it is allowed to go on unpunished it will continue to grow(see 1 Cor.5; Gal.5:9)!
So I am not surprised by this. This ought to be a warning to any pastor who overlooks sin in his church!
Especially if he is ditectly involved!
The reason is simple -the root cause: IDOLATRY -total blind obedience to a man.
That's how every one of their churches is set up. There are ZERO churches in the N.T. with only one pastor- bishop. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. compare Acts 14:23, 20:17,28. Titus 1:5..etc.
They are ROMAN CATHOLIC in structure- therefore it MUST end in IDOLATRY and TOTAL APOSTASY...
I appreciate the pastor addressing this. Pastors are mandated reporters.
Do you realize how often they don't though!
@@RiverSong93 yes and should be criminally prosecuted
@@williambernstein4313why do you think they are so supportive and generous towards law enforcement
Except that he specifically said that it should be reported to Law Enforcement officers IN THE CHURCH. The LEO can pretend to "investigate" and say "not supported" and now the church has covered everything up again and the predator continues destroying others. The church knows this is going on and doesn't want anyone to say it in public. Evil, Evil, Evil.
I'm so thankful for this statement from Pastor Wilkerson. His support for the victims is very evident. I'm glad he is showing the love of Christ.
But hes lying. I know a bunch of these victims and he and the church hasnt reached out to any of them and when they try they are escorted off the property, their phone numbers are blocked and their letters returned. I even had my name mentioned once in a sermon many years ago and I had to threaten them with a ceast and desist letter. That was years after I left. No reason to even mention me, but they did. So dont tell me about how great and godly they are. I know first hand its BS. It's a cult or at least operates as a cult. Why do you think they wont let their staff of member talk to the press? For nothing? Its because they are afraid the truth will come out. Duh.
No. This isn't support for the victims. This is being complacent. He knows very well this isn't some small "mistake" by the church. There's YEARS of abuse. He also still supports Hyles and his teachings which are very toxic and so is the the Baptist schools! This church need to be taken down. Period! Ain't no "focus on God" FOCUS ON TRUE JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY!
The victims have a specific request, come listen to our stories publicly. He refuses this request. That's not support. He instead threatens them with a "private" meeting. They have all already been through these "private" "support" meetings. You know, the meetings that end up with them crying and begging God to forgive them for "their part."
This isn't the Love of Christ.
Can you share what happen exactly i am a spanish speaker AND here in my country came a bunch of missionaries from hammond exalting a hyles guy.... @@timothyparkhurst8352
I am no fan of FBCH - but you have to give credit where credit is due. Wilkerson inherited a mess that is beyond comprehension, that no pastor in his right mind would want to walk into. If he says one thing, he angers the Hyles elites and loyalists, if another, the multitudes who oppose Hyles and his shenanigans. I personally would like to see him address the mess Hyles left behind, own up to it, make restitution where possible, and publicly distance himself from Hyles, his methods, and his doctrinal deviations. Is that the goal of this protest, or just to embarrass and expose them? If the current pastor is trying to address these issues in the best way he can, will it help or hinder his efforts?
I agree with you 100%. I am no fan of this church or movement but I very much appreciate this response of his. Hopefully there is reform in the IFB from this.
The same culture Hyles created is alive and well there today. That, in and of itself, is enough to protest.
@@heysharonmaxwell agreed, it’s a major problem that must be confronted.
I agree that him making an actual stand would make either the die hard IFBers or haters angry. What happened to doing what is right? Doesn’t matter if he makes Lapina, Vogel, and the rest of them mad. They got caught through that documentary when they would not speak to that woman. If Wilkerson was different than Hyles and Schaap he would have sat down and talked openly with her. But here we are…again.
@@hoosiermamma2726but its interesting how it comes to pedos in Hollywood, the Catholic church, or Scientology the people who are up in arms about Hylea are silent. It's like sexual assault only matters depending on the perpetrator.
The evidence that Gods hand is upon first Baptist and pastor Wilkerson is there.
1. Thousands of souls are being saved
2. Hundreds of people are being trained to serve the Lord.
3. Peoples lives are being changed. (Personally know some of them)
4. Church is still standing
Matthew 16:18 “ And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
By the way pastor John Wilkerson is probably the most humble man I’ve met
Also for those saying the victims need justice not the healing of Jesus, in my life I’ve received many injustices but Jesus has given me peace and heal. The most important thing is healing though Jesus because we can have justice but not healing and still live an angry bitter life.
Don’t get me wrong I support the victims in their hurt but there’s a right way to do things. After all, we will ultimately give an account to God of our decisions regardless of our circumstances. We cannot blame others for our decisions
Thst shows nothing except that folks are still suckers. 99% of christians believe literally nothing of what they say. It's all about them.
They are in this mess because of long standing policies and practices ignoring victims, protecting the perpetrator.
I can tell by statements like this these problems will never be fixed and are a core staple of not only this church but the entire denomination as a whole. No doubt 25 years from now an entire new generation of victims will be trying to speak up
I was a southern baptist for over 20 years and I never heard of FBC Hammond IN.
FBC Hammond is a fundamental Baptist church. Not tied to a southern Baptist convention. It’s independent
It’s very hard to listen to anyone associated with this place. I love how he kept saying we must love them and show them Christ. Well, I’d say your first step, sir, is to listen to the stories! Stand there and listen to the pain and hurt! No one who’s been hurt wants a private meeting especially since it was silenced and swept under the rug for so long! I wish I lived closer! I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!!
It is very hard to listen to people like you who will never be satisfied!
He said that he wants victims to come forward and get help from the church for healing with Jesus but says NOTHING about justice.😡
What justice would he be able to give you?
He did mention it
He did say report to the police . He did say call the hotline. He did say if you don't know who to call ,call our security team and they will tell you.
The church is going to spank the people who are accused of abuse... 😂 legal justice is administered by the legal justice system. You don't want any religious instutution dispensing legal resolutions.
Justice has been carried out and men were imprisoned for their crimes and sin
I was born and raised a baptist. The hyles crowd has never been what I’m involved in, in fact I’ve been encouraged away from them all my life. The problem with church people is we trust anybody with our children. There are people in my church that I love, but I don’t trust any of them with my children. People rightfully cry out about these abuses in churches but it is in every aspect of society today. For every Catholic pedophile, there are 100 pedophiles in public schools. Perverts are attracted to environments where people are trusting of one another. Many preachers that I’ve been around warned about this kind of stuff, even 70 years ago. Joe Parsons ( a North Carolina preacher) used to make everyone mad when he would preach about perverts infiltrating churches, and that was in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I try not to be a complete weirdo but I don’t trust every nice person that comes along with my children.
Amen
100%.
I am deeply sorry for anyone that has been led astray from the faith due to the wickedness of men. I pray the Lord mends the hearts of those that were broken and calls out to you all. Remember, the sheep know the voice of their shepherd. The ultimate goal of satan is to draw you away from Abba - please, I beg of you to not allow that to happen. If you truly study the Word of God and pray for discernment, wisdom, and understanding, you will realize that God never lets us down. He leaves the 99 to redeem that one lost sheep. I love you, my brothers and sisters. Let us always keep our eyes on the Lord, He is worthy and He is waiting for us to rejoice in His presence.
God bless you 4 that comment. 🙏🏼 👊🏼
Fundamentalist religion doesn’t have problems. *Fundamentalist religion is the problem.* It is a wicked and cancerous system in any religion. If god were real he would have put a stop to it eons ago, in addition to showing the F up. But since this god won’t tell his follower to stop being aiyholles, I can’t respect this god because he is either as wicked as they are or he doesn’t exist. And after reading the Bible, none of those two possibilities would surprise me.
This is the most loving church on the planet , so stop hating ! Love FBC!
It's a cult, not a loving church.
Wilkerson needs to condemn Hyles and his crowd that have covered up the abuse that still goes on. it started with Hyles and that's where true contrition would be visible.
He would have to fire Moffitt and Lapina if he did that. There are videos of them praising a convicted pedophile in 93. They are part of the great coverups. Google: Hyles and AV Ballenger fundraising Banquet 1993. Then look at the list of presenters.
Sexual abuse seems to be a stronghold in this church.
Wow!
Hyles never covered abuse
Kindly said, Pastor Wilkerson is not God and it is not his place to condemn anybody. He is doing the right thing not to condemn others. 𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘 𝟕:𝟏, "𝑱𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆 𝒏𝒐𝒕, 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒆 𝒃𝒆 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒋𝒖𝒅𝒈𝒆𝒅." Brother Wilkerson was working 2,500 miles away before he became the pastor of FBCH. You're assuming that Dr. Hyles is guilty based on gossip and hearsay, not facts. It would be very wrong for Pastor Wilkerson to condemn a man without having firsthand knowledge, like many of the protesters are doing. The adage is still true: 𝙳𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚏 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚎.
@@redeemedsinner8091 John 7:24 Judge righteous judgment.
He literally just said we are equal to the Vatican catholics....glad I've gotten out of this cult..
This Pastor is a true man of God!! And he obviously is doing what is right and godly for the victims, the church, and most importantly, the name of Christ. Wherever you have an abundance of children, you will draw filthy child molesters. For that reason, there has to be a watchful eye of accountability, which this Pastor has. Love is of God! Nobody will escape molesting children.
Part of the problem in the IFB movement is a belief that such a thing as a "man of God" even exists. It doesn't.
His ring looks masonic...that's not godly.
Oh yes, obviously, the pastor can be trusted to be his own eye of accountability. After all, the church was accountable to only itself in the past and that worked out well.
It is obvious to me, just from the video, that the pastor is a man of Himself, not of God. He refuses to be accountable to anyone.
I hope that some prosecutor will inform him that he is accountable to all of the people of Indiana for what his church has done to their children. Not just the molesters, but also their protectors should be in prison.
@TheDaleSwitzer If you didn't listen, here is the reality, over one million people have come through the church at times past. The church is on earth to reach lost, hell bound sinners, man, women, and children who have reached accountability. The devil wants as many souls to live, bread, and die without Christ. The Church is accountable to God then man. The Catholic system is a wellhead of pedophiles. Anywhere children are, the pedophiles will show up, and that will not stop the church from telling the good news of Christ.
I love First Baptist! I love Dr. Hyles! I loved Hyles Anderson College when I was there in 1983! Devil always attacks what God is doing! I stand with Hyles!
The purpose of a public statement by a church is not for people to come on and talk about how much they that church. It’s a time to reflect, grieve, mourn, and repent and seek Justice on the behalf of victims.
If you love a church tell them on their church anniversary not when addressing abuse.
Also, kicking people out and saying yourE going to call the cops when they asked to speak with the new pastor is NOT SHOWING that you care about them.
@@rebekahrutt5491 Devil got you wrapped up in all the hype. Tricks and distractions to attack God's work. Don't be a "Willy Lump Lump"! Stick to your gardening.
@@oldschoolbiblebaptist Do you think America should repent of killing babies but fundies don’t have to repent of it’s history of covering up for abusers? You might be a hypocrite.
You think the children of Israel had to repent of the sins of their fathers but IFBers don’t have to? Clean your own house, you spineless coward.
Take note, victims, never go to this man to report a pedophile. He is for the "church" no matter what it does.
@@oldschoolbiblebaptist arrogant little clown 😂😂
The oil dripping of this pitchman could fuel a country. Any statement needs to begin with repentance and a condemnation of the church's past. The fact that their seminary still bears the name of Jack Hyles says it all.
I am independent Baptist member un papua new guinea. I think its a matter to report it to police
What was the protest for?
The protest was on behalf of the documentary Let Us Prey. It discussed the rape and sexual assault within the IFB churches. Hyles and Schaap are mentioned heavily in the documentary. Since FBC Hammond is the home base for the IFB, the protest needed to be done there. Some of the people in the documentary attended Hyles Anderson College, including a few victims.
Blended fabric. Lol
@@truediva18 thanks for the info, very interesting indeed.
I may have missed it, but I'm pretty sure I didn't hear a single instance of him denouncing the actual abusers. Sympathy for victims =\= calling out the abusers.
I don't believe that was the purpose of the statement.
The statement was meant to be vague on purpose.
Secondly, because of the legal challenges FBCH may have to face in the future.
It probably was crafted by Church attorneys to keep the pastor from accidentally saying something that might be legally challenging, stupid or offensive.
The good news I hear is they are not hiding or covering up the abuse anymore.
@@michaelragnanese I'm sadly very familiar with that church and how it has operated. I'm not at all surprised that the statement was as vague as it was. I'm just sick of that place and the IFB movement doing this sort of thing.
Im so glad the victims have remained persistent. Im so glad they never stopped even when this man ignored them and has done and said nothing for so long. Stop making Christ look awful by covering up for those that do evil
Can you please tell me when the last time the Catholics Church has made an international public statement? If they have I have missed it somewhere in the past 20 years.
You are just another Christian hater and you probably don’t even believe in God!
@@aarondowler2466 Catholics were never the standard; it was always Christ. There are no gold stars to hand out.
That is why you kicked my friend off of the bus and kept the predator riding and brushed all under the ru
When did that happen? Years before Pastor Wilkerson was there?
That did not happen...
Yeah it probably did you’re in denial
@@paulswilley3737why would I be in denial? Go touch grass bro
OMFG I GOTTA BE THERE!!!
What happened? What did I miss?
This same man who says he stands with victims and reports ab*se dissuaded my own mother from getting to safety from her ab*ser of THIRTY YEARS. And he went on to tell me that I don’t know my own father and that god can change him. The bullshit meter is through the roof.
Was she who was turned away and was told they were going to call the cops if she didn't leave?
They don't see spouse abuse the same as child abuse even now . They can see child sexual abuse being bad because they've been forced to. But if it's your spouse you're supposed to give it over to god.
Revelation 12;10, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, 𝒘𝒉𝒊𝒄𝒉 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒖𝒔𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎 𝒃𝒆𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝑮𝒐𝒅 𝒅𝒂𝒚 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒏𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕."
This guy is better than any salesperson I have ever encountered.
You must be broke by purchasing their products/services 💀
He sure knows what he's supposed to say when all eyes are on him. Sort of rings hollow when he declined to do so before we knew what monsters he protects.
When will the Assembly of God follow suit. I still have nightmares of rape after what the pastors nephew did. The pastor lied to the EEOC investigator. The AG leadership refused to listen because I wasn't an official member. My SBC pastor refused to help because Matthew 18 only applies to a "Brother" in that building. I do not feel safe in church after spiritual bypassing and spiritual abuse.
That is terrible
Nothing has changed. I look forward to the letters handed out by the congregation being posted online.
You're just looking for someone to criticize! God bless you
@@ChristianMisfits2020 LOL, thanks for the judgment and/or criticism. Again...nothing has changed as shown in your post.
@@hoosiermamma2726 I don't go there anymore and haven't in years but since you know
I agree. You can say “oh it’s changed…” yet Hyles name and picture is still plastered everywhere…..
@@hoosiermamma2726People can’t judge, only God judges.
Its about time somebody protested First Baptist Church. Maybe there were others, but this is the first time I've heard it happening.
Only the God haters want to destroy a good church i support FBC 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
I was a kid during the schaap era. Church isnt at fault its the pastors and youth pastors that go against the word of God
Only people who have replaced God with an idol will protect an organization that is acting ungodly.
@@TheDaleSwitzer have u been there at this time?
@@lornajean7286 no. Listening to the pastor tell victims to not make public accusations and to instead go to law enforcement people who go to the church is sufficient. He is telling current victims to keep silent. That is enough for me. I wouldn't put myself inside his circle of muscle men even for an hour.
The damage that this church had done is immeasurable. I don't believe the structure that had fostered the abuse has changed all that much
Notice he said he wouldn't meet people in public, only in private. Also, told people that have been victims to contact the police but immedatley followed it up with church security, church members that are LEO's.
That makes sense. The street is not a place to discuss this, with the high emotions, interruptions, and potential for chaos and disorder.
And those who want to use the street only want to make a circus. Enemies of the Lord were eager to speak evil of king David, remember. That is human nature. It would be in appropriate. I caution all to beware of judging this pastor. He’s got to deal with Hyles’ mess.
Yes, I thought that too. Secrecy is how the abuses in these societies are kept going. Modus operandi...SOS, new day.
Of course you speak in private as not to make fool of yourself.
We know, from what has happened in the past, what happens in those "private" meetings. The victim is made to confess their own "sin" (after all they were groomed and allowed it to happen, or dressed immodestly, etc) then the victim is told that in order to not "bring reproach on Christ" that this must be kept quiet. The victim is then guided to a FRIENDLY law enforcement officer (preferably one in the church) who will assist in "not bringing reproach on the church."
This is far different from the First Baptist of Hammond, IN, with which I was familiar.
I wish i would have known abt the protest i would have gone im only a few hrs away .
We’re you abused?
Yes
Jesus had no problem calling out Pharisees.
I wish he’d condemn and speak out against the people who are the reason for the protest in the first place, but I feel like this was handled well, at least better than I thought it would be
Who are they? I was there from 87 to 2015. The ones that did it were either punished or they're gone.
@@ChristianMisfits2020 You believe that? What changed so extensively? What new administrative rules were put in place? What new trainings took place? 7 years from now when the CURRENT victims come out, you will say "oh that was in the past". The system that coddled predators remains in place, as proven by this statement by lawyers.
Can somebody please tell me whats going on.?
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Let Us Prey came out on Max a few months ago. The victims in the documentary were upset that the IFB did nothing to help them. Yet when the documentary came out, IFB stepped up and defended themselves. The victims chose to the protest in front of FBC Hammond and let them know that it was going to happen. So he decided to address it.
@@truediva18 thank you, sir.
This is disgraceful. I did not come to this site with a pre-determined view of how the church is responding, I just wondered if the church of Jack Hyles had done any self-examination. What I find is a statement clearly crafted by a lawyer with a view to minimizing the damage to the church. There is not a speck of repentance. There is not a hint of Psa. 51 mourning and confession. Instead the pastor simply says that all of this is in the past and that they now comply with the law. This is wonderful of them to say that because of their wonderful Christian attitude, they will meet the minimal conditions for not going to jail.
Neither will the pastor take any steps toward fixing the structural problems revealed in the documentary. The church in Hammond and the churches that look to Hammond for leadership have clearly had a habit of shaming underage groomed victims and making them feel like they were "also sinning" and were "partially to blame." The church is not doing anything to assure new victims that this will change. In fact the church is re-affirming this stand. Therefore any new victims of your members know that they must keep silent. The church accepts no accountability to any outside authority. We know that there must be other victims who were not willing to have their lives invaded by coming forward. The leadership of the church knows who they are. The church also knows that some of their "past" leaders have unrevealed scandals. These "past" leaders retain informal authority in the church and a residual influence and authority to continue to abuse new victims. The church announces no new effort to look into their history and rectify these scandals eradicate that passive authority or help those silent victims who are still suffering.
If I were in Hammond Indiana and had any influence in government. I would be discovering why the District Attorney has not empaneled a grand jury to do the job that the church did not do for itself, though it had many opportunities to do so. The argument that the church has done "a lot of good" through the years is as convincing as saying that riots were "mostly peaceful". Snakes only bite a few people a year and they keep the vermin population down. Even a family of snakes does some good - it is still a nest of vipers.
The Church of Jack Hyles: Accurate description.
If you want any information on Bill Wininger just reply to this comment. He was my pastor and he was accused of child molestation and David Gibbs and Jack Hyles defended him. He later on went to pastor my church in Georgia and assaulted family members and friends of mine. The church blamed the woman and moved on with him resigning.
Both churches sound healthy and safe. Lol
Yet y’all still have Jack hyles photos in your halls.
The problem, as I understand it, wasn't with Jack Hyles. It was Jack Schaap who was sentenced to jail.
@@michaelmappin4425There has been problems going back to when Dr Hyles was the pastor.
@@michaelmappin4425you have NO idea what your talking about.
@@jenniferhagen8995 Admittedly. But, I can't find any information either.
@@michaelmappin4425 oh no- jack Hyles is not innocent at all
Is there an email address we can write to about our experiences or do you prefer not to communicate that way? Your youtube channel/podcasts are very triggering for me and yet i keep coming back. I guess knowing i'm/wasn't the only one helps tremendously. Thanks.
Nice club ring he has there! Wow, the vatican reference too. I do believe God opposes the proud & pride goes before destruction. But they're nervous about just that...watch the hands & carefully crafted statements. Where's David Gibbs, Jr when you need him?
John Wilkerson is the most humble man I know. You should meet him. He’ll know your name after a small conversation.
@@Misionero4Christ I'd not shake the hand of a known wolf or have any association with the man. He probably wouldn't want to meet me anyway. My hair might be too long & I behave & dress at church the way that I would anywhere else...like a gritty fisherman, occasionally chopping off ears attached to evil people. I'm also not an initiate of the flame, so I'm not exactly a fan of the club.
No, I only associate with people who have a modicum of courage & kindness, those who place a high value on truth & justice. I also go into the darkest of places to advocate for 'the least of these.' I quit the IFB 23 years ago & will only be coming back in to flip the tables if the Lord leads me to do so. The God I serve was once unsuccessfully murdered by the corporate megabeast known anecdotally as church leaders, but factually as the synagogue of Satan.
@@Misionero4Christ People said the same thing about Jack Schaap and look where that went.
How sad the continual disgrace upon The Church because of bad shepherd’s
What in the hell is going on over there?
What is the purpose of this channel again?
Im wondering if there is direct evidence that there is sexual abuse there.
It is very hard for this pastor to talk about these issues he is discussing at FBC Hammand.
Why are so many people going there instead of other places (red flag)
6:09 Mission statement-I don’t know of a church in history that has had more people here than all the people in history…wait what? Oh he is setting us up with a narrative…nice!! That’s what we practiced. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 good game everyone.
Pride is the biblical precedent for what follows. It won't be pretty for them.
Jack hyles first Baptist church
This is a tragedy. A wolf in sheep's clothes and the destructive nature on victims. Billy Gram had a great policy to never be alone with females. Many churches retain this policy and many require at least 2 adults and or video to protect those in their care. I must say you cannot generalize a statement about race. Such as individuals of certain skin tone are likely to do XYZ. Neither should you characterize IFB with the same broad brush. You have your right to your opinion and heart felt belief. Just use the right size brush
I'm willing to bet the monuments to jack holes still remain. This comes off as condescending to the victims of abuse.
Did he abuse someone too?
How is it that an IFB pastor sounded more convincing when speaking on abuse than any pastor in “liberal NY” that I’ve dealt with?
Insane world getting even crazier
IFB pastors sound desceptively convincing. I'm not sure what the current sitaution is at FBC Hammond but the church has a long and dark history. It was also one of the largest churches in the country at one point. One thing you get from an IFB sermon is a shot of dopamine from the message, and people get addicted.
@@bchristian85 Damn that is so very true. I never thought of it that way, but I agree and that dopamine goes a long way with the brainwashing included.
The political way.
I think he should acknowledge hyles abuse. Talking nice is nice but not for the victims.
What exactly would a protest accomplish? I think the best kind of protest would be for church members to hold the leadership accountable and leave the church, taking their tithes and offerings with them. The point of revealing the truth about these organizations is to help dear people recover themselves, and I fear bad actors and agitators may use the opportunity of a protest to hurt people on either side. We need to use the laws which are already in place to hold the abusers accountable, and continue to educate and inform, protect and comfort. I believe having a place for people in crisis to turn, with resources and information available for victims or whistleblowers to begin the process of holding people accountable for criminal behavior is much more productive than standing on a street corner yelling with signs. If you wanted to fight fire with fire, instead of protesting, you might offer 'tracts' detailing the abuse and behavior, as well as post signage in public spaces warning others.
On a side note, the only reason the abusers have access is because it is given to them. People who think nothing of putting their children on a bus with complete strangers should not be surprised that bad things can and do happen. The same is true for public/private schooling, sunday school, and nursery/childcare venues. Predators seek these opportunities out, just like wolves case the sheepfold. We will never eradicate wolves, so a better strategy would be to be wiser sheep. Protesting wolves does nothing, it just gives them more access.
They could help get Dave Hyles in prison. For rape. That would partially help. And Jon Jenkins and Bruce Goddard, for their cover ups.
Congregants must see & feel the damage their false denomination has done in order to have the strength to stop funding evil & come out of fear & busyness into truly following Jesus.
@@stillWaters137 Overcome evil by doing good. People massing together is usually never a good idea as we have seen recently. There are those with bad intentions who sometimes show up and begin to do things those assembled never planned. I am against abuse, period. The bad actors are the ones who need to be held accountable. The Catholic church is rife with abuse, and yet, I still exists and no amount of protesting will ever remove it. We have to win the hearts and minds of the people inside, and protesting does little to do this. Just some observations, but as a Christian, I would hate to see anyone hurt, and we all know that ultimately we are to love our enemies, even as we hold them accountable.
@@TheProverbsmom Survivors are doing the will of God protecting future child victims, something the false church has lacked the courage & spiritual senses to do. I pray that the Holy Spirit reveals His true church & that the world will see who the church really is by their courage, their love & their willingness to go into the darkest of places to shine His glorious light.
The leaders of IFB are the 'bad actors.' They're about to get shown up by some gritty fishermen or Assyrians or storehouses of hailstones/millstones...any of them would do, but I'd like to see the foremost because it would be the most humbling coming from the 'least of these.' Humility is also the most redemptive state from which to operate & nobody needs Jesus more than a pharisee or a freemason.
@@stillWaters137if people still attend FBC Hammond after all these years they more than likely aren’t leaving!!
How many sermons these IFB preachers I have heard from the pulpit call out names of others but when it comes to abuse you dare not mention the holy nane of the abusers.
Well he seems like a peach.
The only way to get the victory over flesh is getting filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4 was the spiritual awaking. This demonic sin will be present if you preach once saved always saved instead of Acts 2:37-39. A carnal mind is an enemy of God. To live without the Holy Ghost is to live with a carnal mind. Romans 8:5-11
Are these news allegations?
No
@@nomore5403 isn't this the church where Jack Schaap pastored?
@@williambernstein4313 and Jack Hyles
@@williambernstein4313 a decade or mire ago.
Sounds good but doesn't sound like brokeness - like everything else from there sounds nice and shiny but in the end its nothing more than plastic fruit.
The irony is that Wilkerson and his congregation need to recognize they are the ones in serious error, not the abused. In the gospels Jesus says that it would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and thrown into the depths of the sea than to offend one of these little ones that believe in me. They are the last people that I would go to for council, they just need to sincerely apologize and repent ot their errors.
“It’s every bodies fault that one person decided to be a pedophile”
This is a new pastor to the church. How is he responsible
You are a 1000% right!!!!!!!! God bless you!!!!!!
You are a 1000% right!!!!!!!! God bless you!!!!!!
Me me me, us us us. His “statement” was a few seconds long (that’s too bad, little victims- can’t help it) rushed through, before he could get back to glorifying himself and his church.
"Be kind"?!? And "nothing aggressive"?!?
My girlfriends and I -- FROM AS FAR BACK s the 1970s -- have been screaming rape and molestation. There's no kindness in rape and molestation. Don't throw Ephesians at me. You don't live it.
And no public forum because you want to hear us in your offices? What a joke. WE'VE BEEN IN YOUR OFFICES.
My parents went to Jack Hyles' office in 1980 with a letter from Dave to me, where he was soliciting me. Proof in hand of Dave's intent. Nothing was done.
We've been in your offices and now want your offices closed.
It is hard to deal with a sin your son is commiting when you are having an affair yourself! That was the problem!
It sounded like it was a nightmare there. As I have heard it "when the head is sick the body will be sick too!"
Thank you for your testimony concerning the Hyles'! As I said I have pretty well followed the Hyles' issue starting in 1988 with "One of the Bights of Bigness" by the late Dr.Robert L. Sumner.
I am praying now that I can find an inexpensive copy of the books "The Wizard of God" by the late Vic Nischik and "Fundamental Seduction" by Voyle Grover!
God bless you.
The guy died decades ago.
Hyles died in 2001during heart surgery or shortly after it.
Dave Hyles is not dead. His father,Jack, is gone.
I know that. I should have mention the father's first name to avoid confusion.
It's amazing that these issues persist all these decades later. There is a deep inherent cultural sickness in the IFB movement.
Instead of Christ , listen to the victims , no amount of prayer will solve the hurt they have felt with so many years of trauma and hardship from there horrid people that hurt them. It’s matter of acknowledging making sure those people take accountability
Didn't Jesus tell us to judge something or someone by their fruits? Well, i think this church needs to recognize their fruit is rotten to the core so why would victims go to them for help. He is absolutely clueless and i dont care how sweet he comes across. There is no salvaging a system that creates "men of God" that cant be questioned.
Close them down. Revoke their tax exempt status for not holding true to their mission. Just like the Trump Organization was closed.
This is another wolf in sheep’s clothing.