My D2 is a celebrity now! The rubber pads are why I bought the tractor, it wasn’t in the best shape. I sure would like to know the past history of this d2. Thanks for all the views Squatch!!!
That is far more options of track than I would have expected there to be. I also never knew there were attachments for the track pads themselves, that's a very cool concept, although something tells me that today those grouser attachments are even rarer than the obscure track pads are
Most of the episodes are kind of intense (for me) - this one was fun to see the range of width and options I would never have guessed, that was great. As a side note, working on the AK Pipeline the dozers for winter (ice) used a setup where a small tab was welded on the end of a cleat, then the next one had a tab in the middle, then the next one had one on the end of the cleat. That allowed a punch into the ice. I saw a few without them and they just spun the tracks which is something you don't expect to ever see.
The more I see these eps reminds me that I REALLY need to get my 5J D2 going. I don't think the track has ever been re-tensioned...track sags alot on top. Is a beast to get started which I suspect is either the transfer pump or obstructed filters (I have replacements but not done it yet). Have work on the property it can once it actually runs...which it hasn't done much of that either since getting it 5 yrs ago.
Hey, Kyle Christ will be happy to see you're FINALLY getting going on the 20 inch wide pads. I'm sure he'll keep asking if you have it done yet though LOL
Thanks for the video Squatch. That was a really good question that was asked. And the answer to it was even better. It's really neat that cat had a track for just about every type of terrain. Thanks for explaining. Cheers
Very interesting. I had no idea there were so many track pads available back then. I remember seeing little 'dozers (D2s?) with rubber street shoes being used by the company that put on the Florida State Fair back in the 1960's. And, I remember seeing two of them tucked in next to different rides along the midway one year. I just loved the fact that they could be driven on the streets and wanted one badly so I could drive it to school. 🙂
I enjoy your channel a great deal & have learned much from your content. I started driving cats in 1973 working for a timber company. They had 4 D6s, 2 4Rs, a 5R & a 9U amongst other tackle. Three of the cats were used for extraction & I spent many an hour pulling pulling trees. What surprised me most was the differences between each tractor, apart from shape of the bonnets, these were identical, yet each had its own oddities & quirks. One peculiarity they all shared was that once the diesel engine was warm then it was impossible to start the donkey engine. Have you ever heard of this? The 5R was the best of the four by a long way. I formed an undying admiration for the design & engineering in those old machines, we maintained them well in the woods, they were serviced regularly at a Cat dealership & just went on & on. Only a couple of years before my time the company retired a 2H. The man who drove it from new in, I think, 1935, was still working for them.
@@squatch253 Thanks for clearing that up, it puzzled me for many a year. I'd suspected that it was a problem with fuel system caused by heat from the diesel though I'd no reason to think so. I really enjoyed the episode explaining why RD6 has so much bottom end grunt, that was a real eye opener. Chris Thomas, the old boy that drove the 2H from new, didn't like his D6 4R replacement & would tell anyone who would listen about how much better his old 2H was. Maybe he was right. Keep up the good work, it's mana from heaven to an old Cat enthusiast.
A really nice short video with some extremely good explanation of the various track options Cat offered back then. Thanks for letting us see that old parts manual and pictures of the factory and Cats on the job. I myself love checking out old manuals of all types.
Mr Squatch a nother great content. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain in more detail about the tracks own the D 2. I really hope that everyone else is looking forward to seeing the 20inc pads own the D2 working. You are the one that got me interested in your Cat D 10. And now all cat Dozers. I really love it when I was operation dozer's. Great content keep up the great work.
I just tried to buy a D2 at a farm auction last weekend that was outfitted with the rubber pads but it went a little too rich for my blood. It was a pretty neat looking unit in good shape
Had no idea there were that many different track pads available. The 7" for beet growers, talk about customer service, both of the guys that wanted 7" pads must have been tickled that Cat made some.
Can the offset track shoes being used on railway work? So that they would fit over already laid out rails and still could be able to push some gravel? Even as a filler episode this is really interesting... 👍👍👍
Really like learning about the early years that was just ahead of my kid years.. only one neighbor with tracks that to me was strange as others had horses or rubber tire tractors. Thanks Bet it is still on The Nelsons farm in SW MN!!!
Good video Squatch. I believe the track pads on my Cletrac E-62 are 13" wide, I'm going to have to go check now. And now I need to find a LaPlante Choate scraper.
there was a quite a few track shoe options back when 5j1113 was new it would be neat to see what the track pad options are now a days 80 plus years later
Thanks for the info on D2 track pads. I'm wondering why there needs to be carrier rollers to take the SAG out and what the function of carrier rollers really is? Thanks
When you showed the photo of the new D-2 with Elmer Belsley driving it out of the factory, I was interested in the photo on the left. For some reason it immediately reminded me of one of those photos taken during a lynching. And they spelled Wichita wrong.
That was a lot of fun. Thanks for the lesson. I’m stunned at the breadth and depth of the offerings. For one thing, I wonder how much Monet it costs to maintain inventory to support all that. But somebody must have been asking for it or they wouldn’t have made all those. Anyone know if similar track options are available today? My guess is no, without having the foggiest idea. Maybe after market? Anyway, thanks as always.
I was just watching Alexander botts and the earthworm tractor co. And the RD 8 he was running had street shoes bolted to the regular groser pads in that movie
Alibaba offfer something that they call a Cat D2 upper support track roller. It looks about correct but of course, you would still need to find the support brackets.
I have to admit my ignorance, I’m totally fascinated , the use of crawlers in Ag ! 😳🤔 I heard CAT I thought of earth moving / construction etc! 👍🤦♂️ this channel rocks🤗, why there ain’t 100K subs is just baffling 😲… ✌️🤙
Understanding the one inch offset pads. Just a thought, Apply the dimensions to both tracks, then measure the total separation distance between the pads. I am not sure what gap distance will be revealed. BUT would it allow the tracks to straddle railway tracks? You should be able to see my line of thinking. It would seem that the separation width between the tracks was important for some reason - at the same time track width was not lost but as you have shown - just offset.
here in New Zealand we have photos of a d2 with the rubber shoe and it had that because sometimes they needed to drive down the road to other farms or paddocks ect. we also have a ten with flat shoes with a full set of dirt grouser's on it.
excellent info. I have seen street pads on a tank before even though I have very little time around them. Also there is a comment reply, I am curious about. I will see iff I can not get a picture of it.
The angle shoe photo from Saranac MI was taken only a couple villages over from my village. And Saranac is close to the largest antique equipment show in our area.
Awesome vid! Regarding track width, I always thought the narrow tracks got better traction (higher PSI / ground pressure) while the wider ones were for flotation on loose soil?
AWESOME video suggestion! I had the opportunity this summer to film a couple of them rare cabbed dozers at the Great Oregon Steam Up, as well as a couple of the HOLT machines too. At the time of filming, I DIDN'T realize how rare those machines are. I'm happy that I was able to capture them. Here's the link to the video that went live a few days ago, if you're interested! ruclips.net/video/zM5NJQm7jLg/видео.html
Good video, fascinating information. It would be awesome to have a better look at those pictures. Instead of laying the book open on the table and shooting, is it possible to scan them and insert the images in the video? A side note, you have come a long way as a presenter. Your comfort level in front of the camera has really grown and allows your personality and humor to come through. Your speech is normally modulated, like talking with someone in real life, not flat and wooden as in the old days when as you've said, you were afraid to talk to the camera. Good job!
As for the carrier rollers they seem like they're very rare for the D2 you have I wonder would it be feasible to manufacture them yourself from blueprints or drawings or something like that you're pretty good at taking a drawing and turning it into a real part. Have an excellent day
That was interesting! I had no idea (Gee, it seems I say that a lot!). Are any of those still available as new old stock, or are you now scrounging for everything track-wise? Also, I can't imagine at today's prices, how much it would cost to remanufacture those! Thanks for another great video! Stay well, stay safe!
Without the center support roller you would have a lot more wear on the front idler and rear drive sprockets. The track assembly would also have a lot more wear . I hope you find a support center roller . Denis from California the state of regulations and taxes. Merry Christmas and happy new year.
My D2 is a celebrity now! The rubber pads are why I bought the tractor, it wasn’t in the best shape. I sure would like to know the past history of this d2. Thanks for all the views Squatch!!!
That is far more options of track than I would have expected there to be. I also never knew there were attachments for the track pads themselves, that's a very cool concept, although something tells me that today those grouser attachments are even rarer than the obscure track pads are
Say, in that photo, sitting on the D2 3J1 is that Alexander C Botts, Natural Born Salesman and Master Mechanic?
Most of the episodes are kind of intense (for me) - this one was fun to see the range of width and options I would never have guessed, that was great. As a side note, working on the AK Pipeline the dozers for winter (ice) used a setup where a small tab was welded on the end of a cleat, then the next one had a tab in the middle, then the next one had one on the end of the cleat. That allowed a punch into the ice. I saw a few without them and they just spun the tracks which is something you don't expect to ever see.
Squatch content is all killer, no filler. The man just doesn`t turn out duds.
The more I see these eps reminds me that I REALLY need to get my 5J D2 going. I don't think the track has ever been re-tensioned...track sags alot on top. Is a beast to get started which I suspect is either the transfer pump or obstructed filters (I have replacements but not done it yet). Have work on the property it can once it actually runs...which it hasn't done much of that either since getting it 5 yrs ago.
Hey, Kyle Christ will be happy to see you're FINALLY getting going on the 20 inch wide pads. I'm sure he'll keep asking if you have it done yet though LOL
Cat Shoe buying selections, reminds me of all the different ways one can cook shrimp on Forest Gump....
Thanks for the video Squatch. That was a really good question that was asked. And the answer to it was even better. It's really neat that cat had a track for just about every type of terrain. Thanks for explaining. Cheers
Very interesting. I had no idea there were so many track pads available back then.
I remember seeing little 'dozers (D2s?) with rubber street shoes being used by the company that put on the Florida State Fair back in the 1960's. And, I remember seeing two of them tucked in next to different rides along the midway one year. I just loved the fact that they could be driven on the streets and wanted one badly so I could drive it to school. 🙂
Love hearing of options these old machines had.
Said it before and I’ll say it again. 1113 is going to look like a BEAST with them 24” pads on it!
Love all the original Cat photos. Please fit more of those in the videos when appropriate. Thanks!
I enjoy your channel a great deal & have learned much from your content. I started driving cats in 1973 working for a timber company. They had 4 D6s, 2 4Rs, a 5R & a 9U amongst other tackle. Three of the cats were used for extraction & I spent many an hour pulling pulling trees. What surprised me most was the differences between each tractor, apart from shape of the bonnets, these were identical, yet each had its own oddities & quirks. One peculiarity they all shared was that once the diesel engine was warm then it was impossible to start the donkey engine. Have you ever heard of this? The 5R was the best of the four by a long way. I formed an undying admiration for the design & engineering in those old machines, we maintained them well in the woods, they were serviced regularly at a Cat dealership & just went on & on. Only a couple of years before my time the company retired a 2H. The man who drove it from new in, I think, 1935, was still working for them.
@@squatch253 Thanks for clearing that up, it puzzled me for many a year. I'd suspected that it was a problem with fuel system caused by heat from the diesel though I'd no reason to think so. I really enjoyed the episode explaining why RD6 has so much bottom end grunt, that was a real eye opener. Chris Thomas, the old boy that drove the 2H from new, didn't like his D6 4R replacement & would tell anyone who would listen about how much better his old 2H was. Maybe he was right. Keep up the good work, it's mana from heaven to an old Cat enthusiast.
A really nice short video with some extremely good explanation of the various track options Cat offered back then.
Thanks for letting us see that old parts manual and pictures of the factory and Cats on the job.
I myself love checking out old manuals of all types.
I wasn't familiar with about half of the track pads you showed. Terrific video!
We don’t care about filler, your filler is better than most people’s main content
Absolutely fascinating. I'm a South African Cat tech from the 70's
Mr Squatch a nother great content. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain in more detail about the tracks own the
D 2. I really hope that everyone else is looking forward to seeing the 20inc pads own the D2 working. You are the one that got me interested in your Cat D 10. And now all cat Dozers. I really love it when I was operation dozer's. Great content keep up the great work.
That's pretty cool. Love the old manuals and seeing your cache of photos!
Thanks! Not filler at all!
I just tried to buy a D2 at a farm auction last weekend that was outfitted with the rubber pads but it went a little too rich for my blood. It was a pretty neat looking unit in good shape
Had no idea there were that many different track pads available. The 7" for beet growers, talk about customer service, both of the guys that wanted 7" pads must have been tickled that Cat made some.
Doesn't your prototype crawler that has a d2 undercarriage on it have the rubber bolt on pieces on the tracks?
Can the offset track shoes being used on railway work? So that they would fit over already laid out rails and still could be able to push some gravel?
Even as a filler episode this is really interesting...
👍👍👍
Really like learning about the early years that was just ahead of my kid years.. only one neighbor with tracks that to me was strange as others had horses or rubber tire tractors. Thanks
Bet it is still on The Nelsons farm in SW MN!!!
Good video Squatch. I believe the track pads on my Cletrac E-62 are 13" wide, I'm going to have to go check now. And now I need to find a LaPlante Choate scraper.
there was a quite a few track shoe options back when 5j1113 was new it would be neat to see what the track pad options are now a days 80 plus years later
That is the answer to a lot of the questions I had in the back of my mind
I found that very interesting,I didn't realize they had rubber pads right from the start,Thanks For Sharing
I love those skeleton shoes looks like there was some thought and engineering in those, aggressive looking
Great history with wonderful photos of our the great Caterpillar Co. Another great thanks :)
Awesome job Toby!!
Awesome "filler", history like this is always very interesting!
Who knew they had so many options for track pads!!
Thanks for the info on D2 track pads.
I'm wondering why there needs to be carrier rollers to take the SAG out and what the function of carrier rollers really is?
Thanks
Options options options! Thanks for the video
When you showed the photo of the new D-2 with Elmer Belsley driving it out of the factory, I was interested in the photo on the left. For some reason it immediately reminded me of one of those photos taken during a lynching. And they spelled Wichita wrong.
Another nice history lesson!!👍🏼very good!!
That was a lot of fun. Thanks for the lesson. I’m stunned at the breadth and depth of the offerings. For one thing, I wonder how much Monet it costs to maintain inventory to support all that. But somebody must have been asking for it or they wouldn’t have made all those. Anyone know if similar track options are available today? My guess is no, without having the foggiest idea. Maybe after market? Anyway, thanks as always.
I was just watching Alexander botts and the earthworm tractor co. And the RD 8 he was running had street shoes bolted to the regular groser pads in that movie
I noticed the Cat in the rubber track video has upper rollers like you want on yours. Awesome video, Thanks!
Alibaba offfer something that they call a Cat D2 upper support track roller. It looks about correct but of course, you would still need to find the support brackets.
Great suggestion from Gears and Stuff, made for an excellent video.
Squatch253. Thanks for the video...I always learn something from your channel.....Canonsburg, PA.
I have to admit my ignorance, I’m totally fascinated , the use of crawlers in Ag ! 😳🤔 I heard CAT I thought of earth moving / construction etc! 👍🤦♂️ this channel rocks🤗, why there ain’t 100K subs is just baffling 😲… ✌️🤙
Understanding the one inch offset pads. Just a thought, Apply the dimensions to both tracks, then measure the total separation distance between the pads. I am not sure what gap distance will be revealed. BUT would it allow the tracks to straddle railway tracks? You should be able to see my line of thinking. It would seem that the separation width between the tracks was important for some reason - at the same time track width was not lost but as you have shown - just offset.
Wouldn't the offset pads reduce the overall width if the offset was to the inside rather than the outside as Squatch showed?
What are the tracks on X253 then because they have rubber but are not like the ones in the video you linked.
We’re these pads forged?
This was a GREAT video! Loved it. You're such a great teacher!
here in New Zealand we have photos of a d2 with the rubber shoe and it had that because sometimes they needed to drive down the road to other farms or paddocks ect. we also have a ten with flat shoes with a full set of dirt grouser's on it.
Really enjoyed that! You have collected some great iron, hardware and photos.
Awesome video and happy holidays Denis
excellent info. I have seen street pads on a tank before even though I have very little time around them.
Also there is a comment reply, I am curious about. I will see iff I can not get a picture of it.
The angle shoe photo from Saranac MI was taken only a couple villages over from my village. And Saranac is close to the largest antique equipment show in our area.
Great episode.
Now that u started this think u need to get one of each, would look great on the walls
Awesome vid! Regarding track width, I always thought the narrow tracks got better traction (higher PSI / ground pressure) while the wider ones were for flotation on loose soil?
AWESOME video suggestion!
I had the opportunity this summer to film a couple of them rare cabbed dozers at the Great Oregon Steam Up, as well as a couple of the HOLT machines too. At the time of filming, I DIDN'T realize how rare those machines are. I'm happy that I was able to capture them. Here's the link to the video that went live a few days ago, if you're interested! ruclips.net/video/zM5NJQm7jLg/видео.html
What happened to the exhaust manifold thanks for the videos
fyi Squatch253 - There is a cat D2 on auction - proxibid, Mel manasse & Son auctioneers lot #402 Saturday Dec 10th
Interesting topic
Enjoyed. Thx.
Good video, fascinating information. It would be awesome to have a better look at those pictures. Instead of laying the book open on the table and shooting, is it possible to scan them and insert the images in the video?
A side note, you have come a long way as a presenter. Your comfort level in front of the camera has really grown and allows your personality and humor to come through. Your speech is normally modulated, like talking with someone in real life, not flat and wooden as in the old days when as you've said, you were afraid to talk to the camera. Good job!
Great information. Didn't know there were so many options
When you go to a restaurant, the appetizers you get are not passed off as “filler” but are in fact an integral part of the entire dining experience.
This was really interesting, please do more "filler" videos if they are this good.
Very interesting video....thank you
Thanks Toby as always great video.
Great information, the sort of stuff, that's particularly interesting to me 👍👍
You described your rare single pad as heat treated, well it was after they got at it with the torch.
I guess this makes you a "track star"!
When you get 5j1113 done that will be one awesome show cat crawler. 🐈
Enjoy the details even though I'll probably never work on a CAT.
As for the carrier rollers they seem like they're very rare for the D2 you have I wonder would it be feasible to manufacture them yourself from blueprints or drawings or something like that you're pretty good at taking a drawing and turning it into a real part. Have an excellent day
Toby, doesn't the tractor with the rubber pads in the linked video have the carrier rollers? Or am I seeing something different than your looking for?
@@squatch253 they may not be compatible but if anybody can get them to work correctly it would be squashed 253
When Cat was building tracks "back in the day," did they freeze or heat parts to facilitate assembly?
That was interesting! I had no idea (Gee, it seems I say that a lot!). Are any of those still available as new old stock, or are you now scrounging for everything track-wise? Also, I can't imagine at today's prices, how much it would cost to remanufacture those! Thanks for another great video! Stay well, stay safe!
Without the center support roller you would have a lot more wear on the front idler and rear drive sprockets. The track assembly would also have a lot more wear . I hope you find a support center roller . Denis from California the state of regulations and taxes. Merry Christmas and happy new year.
I'm parting out a D4 7J343 w that has carrier rollers on it if they would fit.
I am assuming the holes are already in the track frame for the top roller mounts?
So were carrier rollers an option on d2 or something you are looking to retrofit?
@@squatch253 that is awesome you found some! Looking forward to the cab going on too.
Hey Squatch I know where there is a full set of rubber street shoes for a D2 like 1113 . Dave D.
I have seen pictures of D8’s and D6’s with wheels and tires in a FWD configuration. Have you ever seen that, and was that ever done with D2’s?
Thanks for the great info as always
Would the left and right offset 12 inch pads possibly be alternated every other pad?
Nice fillah! :)
Thank You
Really nice, I learned a lot in this video
Thats a lot of options
Actually this was super interesting! Thanks
I have a 42 3J with rubber pads and a hyster d2 rear winch. No blade. I believe it came out of a foundry of some sort.
Well worth it.
Totally cool and informative video.
if you dont find the carrying roller assemblies for 5J1113, is it feasible to make a set and what would be involved?
I’m thinking that old photo of 3J1 shows it on the 10” grousers as my sevens don’t have the accessory mounting holes. Just a guess.
I saw a tractor image with apex pads. Triangular shaped
What grade of metal are replacement grouser bars made of? I know it's is a harden metal
Squatch, is it worth it to use red loctite when bolting down the grouser plates to help prevent them from coming loose? Or, if it ain't broke... ???
I hope I get to see you at the Pioneer power swap meet. It will be my dad and I first time
@@squatch253 looking forward to finding goodies to bring home. And will definitely look you up when we get there
Information I'll probably never need, but glad I have. That was interesting. So will you still be able to run the 20" pads AND the enclosed cab?
Very interesting. With all the fabrication you have done in this project, could the carrier roller be fabricated?