My brother left the Catholic Church. I’ve had many debates with him especially about faith alone. I’m going to share your research and see how that goes!
@@tony1685 Again you refuse to accept that Jesus made us a new creation and what Saint Paul said about the Sabbath. Neither do you accept that Jesus celebrated the first 2 post Resurrection masses on the first day of the week (called The Lord's day) etc. The same way you do not accept what Jesus said about eternal fire, insteadthinking that Saint Jude talking of Soddom and Gomorrah and its eternal fire meant the 15 seconds of heat that wiped it out in Genesis 19.
@@BensWorkshop paragraph 1 -- did Paul correct our Creator in Ex 20:8-11, Isaiah 56, Isaiah 58, etc? did Paul correct our Saviour in Matt 5:18-19, Luke 16:17, etc, etc? did Paul contradict himself in 1 Cor 7:19, Rom 6:1,2,15, etc? you're still not thinking, obviously. the Lord's day will forever be the One our Creator & Saviour claimed to be His -- the 7th day Sabbath. please try to think before posting, Sir -- this is becoming redundant and tiring.
@@tony1685 Did Saint Paul correct him? No, he clarified as did Jesus after the resurrection. Can you explain what is eternal about a 15 second fireball that consumed Sodom?
NO SOLID HISTORICAL PROOF OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION BEFORE END OF 2nd CENTURY ..... JAMES PRESIDED & MADE FINAL DECISION AT 1st COUNCIL IN JERUSALEM ...NOT PETER!!!!!
Wow. Such s beautiful video breaking down those verses. Thank you very much, You have a gift from God use it to spread the truth about his Church. Sadly now a days the world is criticising the Catholic Church that they're Anti Christ.
Truth actually reveals that this can't be His church since they don't uphold it -- 1 Tim 3:15 if Bible matters, i can show you how it proves catholicism isn't even Christianity. but only if the Word of our Creator matters...
Thank You for making us aware of these important 5 verses in the Bible , which converted you from Protestanism to Catholism. It has indeed , deepen and strengthen my faith , in the Catholic Church which i was baptised in. Welcome back Home Brother , to the One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church which Christ founded . God Bless You 🙏🏻
@@tony1685 Where is Moses? Moses is condemned by your logic, because he made a bronze serpent, and a serpent is something crawling on the earth, meaning Moses broke the commandment You are obsessed, but you are only barking dog To anyone else reading this Tony only lives to comment on Catholics videos, he has been refuted thousand of times, he just cannot accept the fact, that tabernacle of God had 2 cherubims, angels, which image is prohibited by God to make for men, but by only his logic, and people worshiped God before the tabernacle by bowing before it. Do not respond to him, pray for him, like I am praying for him God bless you all!
@@tony1685 Tony. Well I don't really know what to say except to warn you you are bearing false witness. It would be false witness for me to misstate something about your religion
One Catholic phrase solves all the conundrums that challenge protestants in the Book of James. 'Fide caritate formate', faith formed by love, charity. From here, we may get through questions on synergism/monergism. How Luther's treatment of 'bondage of the will' is distinct from Augustine's. How initial justification is unmerited without necessarily securing eternally one's justification before the Lord. Etc...etc. It's all a free gift. But you have to come in person to claim it, dressed in festal joy (it's incarnationational!). You may reject at the outset, even along the way (for instance, because it's a hassle to trudge through a bad storm!)..... And dear Sir, sure glad you made it thus far.
This video will no doubt be a reason for many people come to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Orthodox may claim the Apostolic and Holy, but they are not One (united under one captain) and definitely not Catholic (interracial / of all nations).
In Galatians, the Apostle Paul made a clear distinction between faith and vain faith. Genuine faith will bring forth good fruit, which includes obedience to God; however, vain faith cannot bring forth good fruit. Genuine faith is the root; works are the fruit. Faith without works is vain faith, and so vain faith without works is dead. "A man is justified (made righteous) by works and not by faith alone." Why? Because the works are the EVIDENCE of one's genuine faith. The fruit is the EVIDENCE of a good, healthy root. God knows the quality of the root, even without the fruit. We know the quality of the root by the fruit. Genuine faith alone makes one justified before God. The good works SHOW that one has been justified by his or her genuine faith.
@The_Catholic_Christian Evidence for one's genuine faith to glorify God. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see (as evidence) your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Or would you prefer the word 'manifest?'
Thanks my catholic brother for a very excellent informative presentation on faith alone,but I would like to mention this and that is if people believe in faith alone then I would like for them to explain what is faith made up of,is it just a thought a feeling an emotional thing or is the meaning of faith to them means only one two or three things and that’s all there is to have faith.Now I do believe that what Saint James said about faith that faith is dead without works and it seems to manifest what Jesus told the Jews when they wanted to stone him,and Jesus even says to the Jews for which one of these good works that I’ve done do you want to stone me for.And there’s of course that obvious passage in the epistles that state that we must WORK OUT OUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING and also there are other passages that mentions about works.And there’s something that I’m noticing about Protestants is that they believe that as one is a believer in God they have absolutely nothing to do at all and God is the one who does everything for that person to be saved and that person or person’s can live their daily life in whatever way they please to and that means also doing sins of whatever kind that they’ll do and still be saved,Whooo Weee now that sounds to me purely and completely of human understanding and they don’t believe that there is a higher understanding and interpretation of scripture
Paul talks about man's response of faith to God's grace of salvation through Christ.James must be talking about the faith that was exhibited by some being to be aligned with right faith.Salvation is justification by faith.Not justified by faith alone but by work means to have fruit of salvation.Salvation is received upon faith apart from work according Paul.Standing for such salvation is faith justified by work.
Indeed my catholic brother for what you’ve mentioned about the part in the gospel of when Jesus reveals about those who do the things that he’s taught them and will be saved and then after that Jesus reveals about those who appear to be doing his will and works but he tells them department from me you who work iniquities for I never knew you,now when I first read that passage I really didn’t know who Jesus Christ was talking about but now that I’m listening to more learned Catholics it makes so much sense about whom Jesus is rejecting and it’s all these people who claim that they know scripture’s and learn it and do things contrary to what Jesus is teaching of how to believe in him and what truly must be understood and excepted and done in union with him which is his BODY THE ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF TRADITIONAL TEACHINGS AND WORSHIP for it’s clearer than daylight that anyone who rejects Jesus Christ Church that started upon the Apostles and their successors who were their disciples rejects Jesus himself for in the Catholic Church we do receive Jesus Christ personally in the sacraments necessary for each person but most fully of seven sacraments we receive Jesus Christ totally in the Eucharist and also let’s not leave out the authority that Jesus has given to his Catholic Church Amen 🙏 Deo Gratis
@ we’ll tell me then what ARE THE WORDS THAT JESUS SPOKE OF THAT IS WRITTEN IN DA SCRIPTURE AND I MEAN IN SIMPLE ELEMENTARY ENGLISH JESUS SPOKE THOSE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN DOWN IN SCRIPTURE THAT YOU READ AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT READS IT THE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN SPEAKS CLEARLY AND LOUDLY TO WHOM EVER READS IT AND THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT
@johnchung6777 I how the actual scripture is clear enough for you Johnny... MATT 7:21 Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will
@johnchung6777 I'm just respectfully saying, that after reading your comment I noticed you said Jesus was referring to those who READ and LEARNED scripture, when in fact he said DOING That's it, just that. I like your comment, I even have it a thumbs up 👍 Peace be with you.
Yeah I totally agree for Jesus even told the people who were in from of him and said to them why do you call me Lord Lord and not do the things that I tell you to do,thanks for your reply I appreciate it Amen 🙏 🐑🕊️✨🔥
Thanks for making this. It's interesting to see your reasoning behind changing churches. I am a conservative Lutheran, married to a Catholic, so I have been looking into various arguments for or against each. I respect your thoughts, but I do worry about a few things and was hoping you could clarify your thoughts. First, I don't know where you get the idea that Lutherans don't believe in free will. I have never been taught that, and have never felt that. We are saved by Christ's sacrifice and brought to faith by the Holy Spirit. With faith comes the desire to please God and do what he commands to the best of our ability. No one that I know of has said that because we have faith God will force us to do good works whether we want to or not. And if God isn't forcing us to do good works, then we don't have faith and it's really the devil forcing us to sin. Now, I may be misunderstanding your argument so I would like to get your thoughts. Second, and probably more important to me, your explanation of the three works based passages sounds an awful lot like work righteousness. I have no issue saying that faith without works is dead. If a tree (faith) has no fruit (works) then it is correct to assume it is dead. But it is important to note that the fruit comes from the tree. Adding fruit to a dead tree won't bring it back to life. However, fruit can be used to create new trees (evangelizing), but it cannot create the tree that grew that individual fruit. I hope that analogy makes sense. From speaking with my wife, I don't believe Catholics believe in work righteousness, but it takes a very nuanced understanding to realize that. My concern with your explanation is that it seems to disregard that nuance and flat out states you need works to be saved, which to me is work righteousness and directly contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves. It is the gift of God, not by works so that no man can boast." In summary, works are necessary to grow our faith and keep it strong, but it is not the works that gain us salvation. I hope you understand my concerns. I would love to hear your thoughts. Also, may I ask which denomination you converted from?
Hi, I'm not the channel guy, @The_Catholic_Christian, but I do note a common mis-understanding and mis-representation of what Catholics believe, hence my reply. Apologies if you think I'm speaking / writing out of turn, but please bare with me @john5808 So the lame-o tell, the "I'm parroting what others have fed me" and "I'm not bothered to check what the Catholic position is by doing basic Google search" issue is with your comment "works based righteousness". Dude that is just low. I'll let the channel go into it for you, he might have more patience, but I will just say you have been DELIBERATELY misinformed. I use "deliberately" here as in Mike Gendron, James White, John Barnett. I will respond to your point on faith and works, it's quite simple. The Catholic church confrims that initical faith is by grace, not earned, but faith after that is being faithFUL to Christ's commandments, see transfiguration where the Father says you must DO that Christ says, John 2 where mother Mary says to Do what Jesus says, Matt 7 and Matt 17 where Jesus says you must do what he says. So for us it is through faith always, but we have a part to play and this touches on the free will piece, very nicely spoken about in the video. Check out the Catholic cathecism online here, www.usccb.org/sites/default/files/flipbooks/catechism/448/ And there is an article on Catholic Answers ( caveat here is they are not speaking for the church, but they try to exlain it for an American audience ) that goes in depth on it, quoting the Council of Trent here www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0 The "works righteousness" thing is a anti catholic prapaganda from the DEformation, deliberately done to discredit the Catholic church and usurp athority from the Pope. Authority given to the church in Mat 16,18, John 2:15, 2 Thes 2:15, Luke 10:16
It appears that those who appeal to 'faith alone' have an image of our humanity as the ghost in the machine. They have seperated the soul from the body and only put importance upon the soul/mind/intention as that alone which needs to be saved; with the body/actions being of little consequence. This sets up a whole theology in which 'faith alone' can make sense and divorces the material and actions from need or participator in salvation. Once we understand our souls are as incarnated to our bodies as much as the Son of God incarnated in the human Jesus; and can no longer be seperated; then the theology of 'faith alone' no longer suffices for the type of salvation we truly need to be fully saved to God.
New Testament scholar Tom Schreiner writes: "At first glance, it might seem James rejects justification by faith alone, but first glances aren’t enough when reading the Scriptures. We are called to read deeply and canonically. James doesn’t deny that faith saves; he rejects the notion that a particular kind of faith saves-a faith that doesn’t produce works. In short, faith that is merely intellectual assent is not saving faith." This verse in James should also be read in the context of the rest of the New Testament: "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8-9). Also, "The one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" (Rom. 2:8-9). Of course, the New Testament also affirms that those who are truly justified by faith alone will exhibit the "vital signs" not only of faith in Christ but also obedience to God's commands and love for other Christians (1 John ).
Faith without the obedience is self deception...faithful obedience to Christ His Church and His Word shows your beliefs, or proves them. Like Abraham leaving Ur and walking up the mountain with Issac. And like Jesus said, "if ye love me (have faith and believe in me), ye will obey my commands!" Faith alone does not clothe the naked and feed the hungry etc! In the here and now, faithful obedience justifies.
Martin Luther, (Father of Protestantism) added "Faith alone" in Rom.3:28. to justify his False teaching. He added "Scripture Only" which also DOES NOT exist in the Bible...This, inspite of what Rev.22-18-19 says about; "Adding/Removing/Changing the word of God" Not satisfied with removing 7 books along with Chapters 11-16 from the book of Ester and parts of Daniel, He also wanted to additionally remove Revelation, Jude, Hebrews and James because they went against his False teachings. Sola Scriptura, (Scripture Only) NEVER existed from 33A.D. when Jesus founded His One and ONLY Catholic Church along with the Apostles. Martin Luther added (Scripture Only) in 1520A.D. and DOES NOT exist in the Bible!..Our Lord Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic! Jn1:42; "You are Simon son of John. Your name SHALL BE CEPHAS! (Aramaic which means Rock) Just another Protestant tactic by your Lutheran pastor because it even exists in his KJV Bible!
Praise the Lord! Your personal integrity gave you the true lens with which to see and discern God's majestic Word! Ultimately Protestantism by it's very essence is rebellion against our Lord's Church he established through Peter. Isn't rebellion synonymous with the prince of lies Satan?
I was a catholic too but by the Grace of God I am out and will never go back. If you are looking for justification by works you are lost already Galatians 2:16. Also know that you are reading in a portion of the bible that is not written to us.
Which portion of the Bible is written for us, how do you decide on it? The same Bible you use comes from the Catholic Church. It was written down to be read in the Holy Mass. “We are compelled to concede that without the Catholic Church, we would not have the Word of God” (Bible)-- Martin Luther
Are you saying Jesus made a mistake when He instituted His one and only Church on Peter. And promised the gates of hell shall not prevail against it and gave Peter the key of His kingdom? The Catholic Church stood strong for nearly 2000 years, protecting the teachings of Jesus and His disciples. And as a Protestant you have to believe that, for 1500 years the church founded by Jesus, and continued by Peter, the Apostles, The Church Father's and great teachers of church were all wrong and that the full truth of Christianity did not arrive until Luther revealed it in 1517? Oops! Think about it for a moment! 😂😂 Protestant cults are all founded by their human authors to oppose other Protestant cults with rival theology interpreted by their own whims and fantasies ending up in 50000 registered churches in USA Alone. Who is the founder of your cult? And when was it formed?🤔
22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda. 22:22 And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. 22:23 And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father. Isaiah.
You can have maximum FAITH, yet you disrespect your parents; commit adultery; a murderer; or destroys someone thru false witness. Do you think you are SAVED? Remember when the rich young man asked Jesus how to enter heaven, Jesus said: "Obey My Commandments."
No - St. Paul (1 Cor. 1) refers to factions of people following a specific individual to the exclusion of another where all (those with delegated authority) should be followed in the name of Christ. For example, I follow Pope Francis, my Diocesan Bishop, and my Parish Pastor; I follow all three in unity. However, if a group of Catholics started to only follow their Bishop to the exclusion of Pope Francis, or followed only Pope France to the exclusion of their pastor, etc. that would be a divisive problem analogous to the disunity in the church at Corinth. We follow Paul _and_ Peter together; we don't pit them against each other by following one over the other. Make sense?
There is an article written by Walid Shoebat "The Abomination Of Desolation Spoken Of By Daniel Will Soon Be Implemented By Islam’s Antichrist And This Caused Me (Walid Shoebat) To Become CATHOLIC".
COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE. TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU. IF YOU WERE OF THIS WORLD THE WORLD WOULD LOVE YOU AS ITS OWN BUT AS IT IS YOU ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD, we can be loving we can be so kind and we will never be hated for that but dare to be holy and watch what happens IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST HE IS A NEW CREATION i have watched otherwise nice people begin to snarl and growl when they see i am not one of them that i do not belong to their world and their idea of entertainment . so many catholics and protestants alike are still too attached to this world to be hated and despised as jesus was hated and despised WHOEVER BECOMES A FRIEND OF THIS WORLD BECOMES AN ENEMY OF GOD
The dilemma that many find themselves in, concerning the Matthew 16: 16-19 discourse, is that the passage gets isolated. It is another example of not comparing Scripture with Scripture, in order to come to the correct conclusion of a subject matter. We read in 1 Peter, the very writings of the Apostle, and he states that all who are born again are living stones. We see in 1 Peter 2:4, he calls Jesus the Living stone. In verse 5, Peter calls all who are born again living stones which includes himself. In verse 8, Peter refers to Jesus as the stone and the rock. In the Scriptures, stone and rock are used interchangeably. Peter, the senior Apostle, is a rock/stone hewn out of the Greater Rock (Jesus). Moreover, the rest of His apostles were also rocks/stones hewn out of the Greater Rock.
This explanation ignores that: 1. When God changed the name of someone (Sarah, Abraham, Israel...) the name given ALWAYS meant the mission of that particular person; 2. Jesus proceeds to tell He will build HIS CHURCH upon THAT rock which He just appointed (aka: Simon bar-Jonas); 3. He proceeds to give POWERS to Peter and specially the keys to Heaven, which, for those who know israelite history and customs of the age, means that Peter will be Christ's minister while He is away. I could point to your explanation of using the term rock in other passages the same way against protestant understanding of Christ's mediation, or if we should or not call others father, etc, because all of these are used in apparent "contradiction".
@daishoo It escapes your notice that names were also given by God to portray another's character traits, such as in the case of Peter who was rather ambitious, impulsive, and eager to commit. God is referred to the Rock 28 times in the Old Testament and Jesus is referred to the Rock 8 times in the New Testament. Peter, according to the Roman Catholic Church, is referred to rock only once. This idea undermines the consistency of God's word concerning Jesus as the Rock. The Apostle Peter clarifies what Jesus meant in 1 Peter 2, which was already stated in my first comment, The Apostle Peter held seniority, due to his time spent with Jesus, over the other apostles. However, Peter was certainly not the Chief Cornerstone of God's church. A cornerstone of any structure is the starting point of a new building that everything else is measured from and aligned with. It is the first rock of building a structure. Thank God that He would never build His church on a mere man who needed salvation like the rest of us.
@@dannisivoccia2712 You are still not citing any passages where GOD purposefully RENAMED someone with the purpose of giving the person a mission. You can only provide examples of people being cited as this or that, and not being NAMED. To name someone is something so important that we notice God gave Adam the responsability to name creation. Also, the same God refused to be named when Moses asked. To name someone is entirely different than referring to someone by a nickname, like dydymus, or "the lesser", or "macabean", or "galilean". Also being an engineer, let me tell you about rocks in old construction methods: One thing is the cornerstone, which aligns the building upright and its walls in perfect angle. This is Christ, and this is very clear in the bible. But the cornerstone is not the foundation stone, or rock. This one is a level rock upon which the weight of the building will lie upon. And that rock is Peter, and Christ even uses these terms: "UPON this rock". Finally, you have not answered the part where GOD GIVES Peter powers he did not give to the other apostles, neither to anyone else. Specially the power of the keys, and later, when ressurrected, the commission to strenghten his brothers (the other apostles) in the faith. NO ONE has these commissions, and yet you will continue to hold that that act is just Jesus being bored and deciding upon a nickname for the man who had just said He was the son of the living God? Jesus was also playing around when he called the man who denied Him thrice and, not only gave him the opportunity to repent thrice, but accpeted that Peter could not love Him as He wanted (Agape) and yet gave him even more commissions? Why didn't He give them to the disciple He loved, Saint John, who was with Him up to the feet of the cross? Peter's seniority has nothing to do with his time with Christ, because Peter is NOT the first apostle, rather, he is called to meet the Saviour by his brother Saint Andrew.
@@daishoo The onus is on you to cite the scriptures where Jesus renamed Simon to Peter, for the purpose of a mission. The only mission Jesus gave Peter and His disciples was to "go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature..." and to "make disciples of all nations." Peter was not given a special mission, except for the office of an Apostle. We read in Ephesians 2:20 that the foundation of God's church is the apostles and prophets, NOT ONE MAN as you and your church declared. If you say, "No," you invalidate the written word. You say that Jesus gave Peter powers that He did not give the other Apostles, which are the keys/strengthening the brethren. You stated that no one has these 'commissions," but Peter. How do you read? The keys are given to all His disciples. We know this by Matthew 18:18-19. (Notice: in chapter 18, Jesus was not addressing Peter only)! All disciples are called to strengthen their brethren. So much so, His disciples are called to carry one another's burdens; thus, fulfilling the law of Christ. So Peter meets the Savior by way of Andrew. Because of this, you are alluding to the fact that Andrew was the first Apostle. This does not compute.
God didn't created a religion, God the Father created a Church which is in Christ Jesus, religion can not save us, but through the grace of God in Christ Jesus, through personal relationship and communion with Jesus...
Worth pointing out that in the Matthew 16:16-19 you quoted it is the use of the word you talking to Peter so many times that also cut off the argument about Peter being a little pebble that Jesus isn't going to build His Church on. Moving on to Philippians 2:12-13 was watching Kenny Bruchard's Bible highlights series on the question of "are Catholics saved". He pointed out that in the Bible we are saved, being saved and will be saved. (Provided we persevere to the end). I can see why the penny dropped hearing 1 Corinthians 1:10-13.
I understand the first verse but please do research on Saint John Paul II when he talks about unity on the first verse with Lutheran and Calvinists leaders. They actually mean the same, no reason to argue about this anymore unless someone doesn’t believe work is apart of faith (most newer movements). Hebrew word and teaching for faith means works is included in faith, fyi… But yes faith and works separated is less confusing but it does mean the same thing as what the protestants believe (the original protestants lol)
@ however, salvation is not through works, so that no man may boast, as that scripture lays out. Our works are a result of our faith, or done in order to deepen a faith that already exists..they do not in and of themselves save you, would you agree?
Please give me a timestamp on how I am promoting salvation through works. What do I do with Ephesians 2:8-9? I read verses 1-7 first, and I notice that everything is said in the past tense, then I realize St. Paul is referring to how one becomes a Christian; just as the Council of Trent perfectly teaches.
@Apoch86 James 4:17, "...WHOEVER KNOWS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND FAILS TO DO IT, FOR HIM IT IS SIN". The last chapter of the last book of the bible concludes "...my reward is with me, to repay ACCORDING TO EVERYONE'S WORK", REV 22:12 while in verse 15, "OUTSIDE are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood".
You're certainly confused Sir. I pray that the Lord Jesus grace you with wisdom and enlightenment. I was a former Catholic and have many objections and unanswered questions regarding that religion.
How many churches are there? Pretty sure Paul answered that question pretty clearly in First Corinthians. After 3 years at St Paul Bible College I discovered I was still Catholic. The third year of the Bible and Theology degree was the first coverage of theology and church history. The coverage of church history essentially skipped a thousand years before the reformation, and the theology professor wrote the loose leaf text himself. That was about the same time Scott Hahn and many like him were making the same transition. Rome Sweet Home is one of my favorite books. I've been doing prison ministry since 1985 as a Catholic, but I continue to play this song I wrote before coming back to the Church. ruclips.net/video/sTHY35AoPho/видео.htmlsi=l3n6qKlzlSYcC62w
@@alisterrebelo9013 I would maintain that our only justification for salvation is our faith in Jesus.. None of our good works can achieve salvation (or, justify salvation) on their own. I do think that the "faith alone" segment of Christianity has gone a tad far in some cases (grace for all things, so just keep sinning and never seeing consequences), but you can't be saved without faith. It is the essential linchpin of the salvific process.
In reference to #3, Simon (Peter) is also called Cephas by Jesus in John 1:42 "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter) from the RSVCE. Even in the NIV the footnote on John 1:42 says this: Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) both mean rock. We can all agree that Jesus is the head, the foundation and the architect of His Church. Catholics don't think the Church is man-made. Jesus did not say "you" (Peter) will build my Church. Jesus said "Upon this rock 'I' will build my Church." Jesus is the King in Isaiah 22:22 represented by King Hezekiah. Peter is the Vicar on Earth in Isaiah 22:22 represented by Eliakim. Whatever you call Eliakim, he was the grand vizier, the head of the king’s household, the royal steward who had all the keys of the kingdom, he was the king’s stead in the king’s absence. There is so much more... I have heard the argument that it was Peter’s confession of faith in Matthew 16:16 that Jesus built His Church on, rather than on Peter but we find out in John Chapter 1 that John the Baptist, Philip, Andrew and Nathaniel all made confessions about Jesus and yet they did not receive the all important name change by Jesus as Simon did to his significant name of Peter. So, I would say that it is Both/And…Peter the man as the fulfillment of the role or office and Peter’s faith. I found that the Catechism of the Catholic agrees as one can read in CCC ¶881 (Peter the man) and in CCC ¶424 (Peter’s confession of faith). Again there is so much more...
It's interesting that your particular explanation of those five verses contradict several things that are in the other 31,000 versus but you don't talk about. Start with Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9
Respectfully, Philippians 2:12-13 is a flagship verse for reformed protestants. "Work out your own salvation" for "it is God who works in you." God does the work, not us. This is a total denial of free will. God is doing the willing. The verse literally tells us that He is willing it. Please reconsider.
I will watch the rest of your video later. But the first one you brought up, James actually believes in faith alone. Problem is, you are reading this passage too fast and not thinking it through carefully. The verse you quoted, James used the word “see”. The Greek word used here has to do with “perceive”. You can’t see faith alone, but you can see works. This is how you know one is justified. Just a few verses later, James made it clear he believes in sola fide.
I do appreciate you watching my videos. Why would I, or any other Christian, need to know "how one is justified?" Do you want to see my good works to know I am justified?
@@The_Catholic_Christian As Jesus said, you will know them by their fruits. James was saying the same thing, just differently. James was actually writing to the Jews (who came to Christ) in his day, preparing them for their final days where they had to discern amongst the Jews who rejected Christ as they were about to part ways from the temple (separation of wheat vs tares). They actually did as Josephus documented it, and I figured out the date it happened. It happened on April 10, AD70, Thursday afternoon. So, their prayer was answered their flight would not take place in winter nor the sabbath as Jesus told them. James was not writing to a future audience he knew nothing about. John was doing the same thing when he wrote about testing the spirit etc. They were both preparing them for their 1335-day prophecy of Daniel 12:12, which was from August 15, AD66 to April 10, AD70.
Not all Protestants believe in Calvanistic Doctrine btw... Free will is a clear element in the scriptures, that is imparted to man. However, God also predetermines things, or predestines things (or people), for a time and place. There is absolutely both and.
What about this verse? Have you read this? ◄ Matthew 23:9 ► And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. ◄ Exodus 20:4 ► “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. ◄ John 4:24 ► God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” Can you sight me a verse of any translation that God build a catholic Chruch… Can any one sight me a verse that apostles and Christ taught us to make them image or statues or what ever to bow down, to worship, to pray and give offerings to it? Sight me a verse where I can find: Limbo Infant baptism Porgatory Rosary Pope Substitute of Christ Etc… ◄ 1 Corinthians 4:6 ► Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Don’t go beyond what is written! ◄ 1 Corinthians 14:37 ► If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command “Faith alone can save us” is not in the Bible and also the catholic doctrines… Mark 7:7 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’ Thanks be to God!
There is no verse in the Bible that says Peter was a pope. No verses about the bishops of rome about being successors to Peter. Works are the fruit of salvation and not the cause of salvation.
A fruit isn't necessary for the existence or preservation of that which produces it. Rather, it is the other way round. For instance, a TREE doesn't need to produce FRUIT in order to continue to exist as a tree. It remains and retains its identity as a Tree whether or not it bears fruit. You can't look at a tree and say: "This is no longer a tree but something else because it isn't bearing any fruit" Therefore, if good works are FRUITS of salvation, it means that a person who is saved will retain his status as a someone who is saved even if he completely stops doing good works for the rest of his life?
Luther tended to be an extremist in his thinking - either this way or that way, but not both. That kind of mindset is not Hebraic or biblical. Ecc 7:18 advises us to hold on to one and not let go of the other. We are to avoid extremes - e.g. extreme thinking etc. Read Ecclesiastes and see how Solomon tells us also that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. Read the book of Job and see a lot of seeming contradictions and contrasts. God is a God of contrasts. See Genesis 1. The binding force of hermeneutics is not the semantics but the Nature, Character and Attributes of God. This is what puts the whole Bible together. There is harmony despite puzzling contrasts from Genesis to Revelation. Luther's kind of thinking is what led him to hate Jewish people towards the end of his ministry. He became Antisemitic. Shocking, right?! So, this young man reacted to his Lutheran upbringing. If he mingled with the remnant church that embraced the teachings of God's Holiness in the context of Grace, he might have found home there.
I was just the opposite. I was raised Catholic and could not reconcile so many of the teachings of the church versus what I read in scripture. Is Ephesians 2:8-9 a contradiction? Shouldn't that convert everybody? Context is everything. You also mentioned a few times that "Catholics put that verse there" for this reason or that. God inspired those verses not Catholics and they must be read in context. When you read a verse in scripture that seems contradictory you must read it in light of clearer passages. Who gets the glory should be the question you ask when evaluating the meaning of scripture. Read James in light of Romans 9:16, John 1:12-13, Titus 3:5, John 6:44, Philippians 2:13, James (himself) 1:18, 2 Timothy 1:9, John 15:16 and so any others. Loving God and loving others comes by grace through faith and is evidence of that change that God made in you. Again I say, ask yourself who gets the glory when interpreting scripture. Of your 5 verses, the first one from Peter is the foundational doctrine. If we boast, let us make sure that it is in the Lord. Am I anathema?
James 2:24 Matt 7:21-23 Matt 16:16-19 Phil 2:12,13 1 Cor 1:10-13 So what did you convert from? Were you a believer in Christ as your sole savior trusting Him for salvation ? So it appears that you have embraced a group that calls itself the one true church and tells you what to believe . James 2:24 does not contradict Titus 3:5 Your interpretation of James is not correct as Jesus points out to the Jews what works they were to do. John 6:27-29 Work out your salvation? Phil 2:12,13 You find in Eph 2:1-22 an expose of the believers life starting where you were and ending with what you have become. along the way salvation is GIVEN to you and you are told it has nothing to do with works. So can we work out our salvation if we do not have God's gift given to us? Now that we have the gift of salvation are we to do nothing? All through the scriptures we are pointed to works to do, not just say 1 John 3:16-18 However having the gift of salvation means that we are not doing works for it , but because of it. We do not maintain our salvation God does. 1 Cor 1:10-13 Christ did not want division in His church and you find a lot of division in every church group including roman Catholics to this day. Not a great argument for embracing roman Catholicism as if they are 100% correct . Matt 7:21-23 Matthew 7:21-23 is a passage from the Bible that describes Jesus's warning that he will not allow many people into the kingdom of heaven on the Day of Judgment: So what is the criteria for being saved? Acts 16:28-32 and in the judgement by Jesus do you see believers only being judged? Here is a key verse 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Please point out where a believer is a worker of lawlessness? Please point out where God takes His gift of salvation away from the believer and denies their relationship with their savior? I NEVER knew you, is not anywhere close to you did not work for me and I now disavow any part of you. Look at the Judgement of Christ for believers in 1 Cor 3:10-15 and you see what we have done with what Christ provided is what we as believers are judged with, but sin and salvation are intact and not in question at all. Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.” What did Jesus call His church Matt 16:18 and you find all through the new testament there is no name applied to the church as the church is the body of Christ made up of all believers, it is not an institution. Jesus founds the church on Himself, not on a mortal. Jesus is the cornerstone, the rock the builders rejected ,and Peter given the keys to the kingdom is part of the foundation of the church. but never the head of it.
What i don’t understand about the Catholic religion is that all the saints are the doers and their the important ones in this whole story of salvation. Mary intercedes for our salvation Peter opens the gate.Everyone is working hard where is Jesus? well in my life Jesus is more alive in my life than when i was a Catholic I love a lot more now than when i was Catholic because I concentrate on him and my father in heaven than a religion any religion
Jesus is the King of Heaven and earth so He delegated to His creation the salvation of creation itself. Jesus is so generous to those who followed Him on earth. The thing that God the Father asked of Jesus is come to earth and show creation the way to God's KINGDOM. Claiming that you are better now than when you were a Catholic is a hoax because as a born Catholic when I started praying the Rosary daily, everything also changed for the better if not for the best. I came to love Jesus more, love His Catholic church more and understood more the Bible and how Jesus made salvation more attainable than ever before, peace of mind is a gift from praying the Rosary.
@ Hoax is the rosary and all the apparitions of Fatima.The Good news of the Gospel is Jesus death and resurrection.Not faith in things seen. Blessed are those who have not seen but believe.
@@isildarodrigues5138 LOL so those miracles that came about because of their novena prayers are hoax too when their doctors said there is nothing we can do, and it was only thru their novena prayers that they remitted. Something is wrong with your common sense.
@ My common sense is if your not asking or praying to God.Jesus our intercesor than the miracle isn’t from God.Thats why people go after the miracles and not the truth.
@@isildarodrigues5138 LOL, all miracles come from God so what TRUTH are you talking about? Are you saying miracles come from the devil, you truly have a perverted belief.
He used Mat. 7:21 but fails to know what is the will of the father according to the bible. Ps. 40:8 The will of the father is the law of God. But so sad Catholics are also transgressors of God law in the ten commandments especially the second and fourth commandments.
Please don't say "Catholics"....it constitutes ALL CATHOLICS...We remain Catholics because it is where CHRIST BUILD HIS CHURCH ON THE ROCK... AND THE GATES OF HADES WILL NOT OVERCOME IT... Yes there are also wolves in sheep's CLOTHINGS in the Catholic Church BUT THE FAITHFULS AND THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF GOD WILL KEEP IT STANDING AND OVERCOME THE GATES OF HADES THE FAITHFULS WILL REMAIN AND EXPOSE THE WOLVES INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.
Funny how you emphasize "you" in those passages, but fail to see how Jesus says "YOU are Peter, and on THIS rock I will build my church..." Not "upon YOU I will build my church". The "this" is referring to the truth that Peter spoke to Jesus in answer to His question. Also, Petra and Petros are different things... You don't call a pebble a mountain, or try to kick a mountain down the street, do you? Are they both rock? Yes, absolutely, in material. But the essence of them is different. Such is the case with Jesus answer to Peter in that specific instance.
Faith alone is misleading. Faith in what?? You believe in the ressurection of jesus.is he sitting on the right hand of his father. What about predestination , jesus said all that my father has given me will come to me, and no way cast out.
You can't convert to the catholic Church. Once you become a believer in Christ you are automatically a member of the catholic (one universal) Church. However you can convert to the Roman Catholic denomination which is a subset, a branch, of the catholic Church along with all the other congregations of true Christians. We need to keep our terms straight.
If you say "the double Lord, you really have faith". What kind of nonsense is that? You need to do a deep dive into the meaning of faith. It has nothing at all to do with saying Lord, Lord!! To do the will of the Father is to be obedient to the commandments of God's Son, Jesus. Peter who betrayed Jesus 3 times, who was reportedly married, who has no historical record of ever being in Rome and who apparently was the recipient of this huge blessing that was never before or after these couple of verses even alluded to. This Peter whose name means rock, apparently replaced Jesus aka THE rock. Go figure! Philippians is talking about having God's Holy Spirit dwelling in you, as was promised, and that that Holy Spirit will guide you. You follow the pope and the priests and the fathers who forgive your sins and the "saints" you pray to. The two that you don't follow with any degree of accuracy is God and Jesus. No wonder you're a catholic!
How any even half-intelligent student of the Bible can conclude that salvation comes thru faith alone is a mystery to me. There are so many verses that clearly contradict that false doctrine.
Buddy, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true Church here on Earth. The Catholic Church is nothing more than the first apostate Church. This is split into multiple parts so look underneath this comment. Your take on Matthew 16:16-19 is just flat out wrong. That is saying that the gates of hades wouldn't prevail against *the rock who is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4, Isaiah 44:8),* not Peter. Hence why it says “and on this rock (Jesus Christ) I will build my church, and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it (Jesus Christ).” This has shown to have been the case because 1 Peter 3:19 tells of Christ going in and teaching to spirits in prison that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit (1 Peter 4:6) and that preaching is still happening today because every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2:10-11) on judgment day. The gates of hades did not prevail because Jesus Christ broke through the bands of death and hades and his gospel went into hades like a rock smashing through a gate. The gates of hades are *gates* not a person or entity and those *gates* did not prevail against Christ. The closest you can get to it meaning Peter would be his faith in Christ that was the rock, and on this rock or Peter’s faith in Christ will He establish his Church. Peter himself uses the same imagery in his first epistle saying the church is built of numerous “living stones” (1 Peter 2:5) who, like Peter, confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and those confessions of faith are the bedrock of the church. Which is also how the Early Church Fathers took Matthew 16:18 to mean. Origen said “And if we too have said like Peter, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ not as if flesh and blood had revealed it unto us, but by the light from the Father in heaven having shone in our heart, we become a Peter, and to us there might be said by the Word, ‘Thou art Peter,’ etc. *For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them,* and upon every such rock is built every word of the Church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God. *But if you suppose that upon the one Peter only the whole church is built by God, what would you say about John the son of thunder or each one of the Apostles? Shall we otherwise dare to say, that against Peter in particular the gates of Hades shall not prevail, but that they shall prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? Does not the saying previously made, ‘The gates of Hades shall not prevail against it,’ hold in regard to all and in the case of each of them?* And also the saying, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church?’ Are the keys of the kingdom of heaven given by the Lord to Peter only, and will no other of the blessed receive them? But if this promise, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven,’ be common to others, how shall not all things previously spoken of, and the things which are subjoined as having been addressed to Peter, be common to them? ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ If any one says this to Him…he will obtain the things that were spoken according to the letter of the Gospel to that Peter, but, as the spirit of the Gospel teaches to every one who becomes such as that Peter was. *For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ,* that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters…And to all such the saying of the Savior might be spoken, ‘Thou art Peter’ etc., down to the words, ‘prevail against it.’ But what is the it? Is it the rock upon which Christ builds the Church, or is it the Church? For the phrase is ambiguous. Or is it as if the rock and the Church were one and the same? This I think to be true; for neither against the rock on which Christ builds His Church, nor against the Church will the gates of Hades prevail. Now, if the gates of Hades prevail against any one, such one cannot be a rock upon which the Christ builds the Church, nor the Church built by Jesus upon the rock” (Origen Commentary on Matthew Book 7:9-12). From Eusebius *“as Scripture says: ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it’; and elsewhere: ‘The rock, moreover, was Christ.’* For, as the Apostle indicates with these words: ‘No other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.’ Then, too, after the Savior himself, you may rightly judge the foundations of the Church to be the words of the prophets and apostles, in accordance with the statement of the Apostle: ‘Built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.” (Commentary on the Psalms, M.P.G., Vol. 23, Col. 173, 176) From St John Chrystom “therefore He added this, And I say unto you, You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church; Matthew 16:18 that is, *on the faith of his confession”* (Homilies on Matthew (Chrysostom), Homily 54) Even Augustine doesn’t agree with you “And I tell you…‘You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15-19). In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, ‘They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; *but the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor 10:4). So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ…* Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. *Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter’s confession. What is Peter’s confession? ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ There’s the rock for you, there’s the foundation, there’s where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer”* (John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Vol. 6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327). The current Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18 is not shared by the Early Church Fathers and is a later interpretation to try and justify the false Catholic claim of being true. To say that the Church was built on Peter is to say that the Catholic Church is Peter’s Church and not Jesus Christs. Yes, Peter had the keys but that doesn't mean it is built on Peter. Even if it was talking about the Church being on Peter, where do you get that the Bishop of Rome is the leader of the Church from Matthew 16:18?
Where does it say that Linus or the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Because no one ever mentions Rome being the leader of the church for hundreds of years. Are you really going to sit here and try to say that no one would have *clearly* stated that Rome was the leader of the Church for hundreds of years? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Are you really going to claim that John wouldn’t have been the next in line to being the leader of the Church? That people would have listened to Linus (or the other 3 bishops who were alive before John's death) over John? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 64 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been made Bishop of Rome well after Peter was alive. The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? And if we really wanted to push it, the Church in Alexandria was started by Mark who was a follower of Peter so you have 4 others besides Rome that have a link back to Peter (that we know of). Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker. Added on to the fact, Gregory of Nanzianzus, a “Doctor of the Church” and part of the Three Holy Hierarchs who lived between 321-390 AD said this about Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria: “He [Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria] was invested with this important ministry, and made one of those who draw near to the God Who draws near to us, and deemed worthy of the holy office and rank, and, after passing through the entire series of orders, *he was (to make my story short) entrusted with the chief rule over the people, in other words, the charge of the whole world:* nor can I say whether he received the priesthood as the reward of virtue, or to be the fountain and life of the Church (Oration 21, Paragragh 7). Here, Gregory says that Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, was “chief” among Bishops. If this claim was made about the Bishop of Rome, Catholic apologists would be pulling it out as “evidence” that the Papacy was an ancient institution that exercised jurisdiction over the Christian world since the beginning. Instead, it proves that the Catholic Church’s claims are false because he says that a Bishop of Alexandria was the leader of the Church, not Rome. If the Bishop of Rome was seen to be the leader since Peter then why is this said about the Bishop of Alexandria? Which speaking of, the Bishop of Alexandria uses this same logic in the Coptic Orthodox Church today and has a pope who uses the same logic you all do and claims to be the Leader of the Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a "magisterium" but we are actually run by a Prophet and Apostles. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
The church of Jesus in latter day saints is just one of many sects and cults founded by people and not by Christ. Keep on dreaming. You were just founded by Joseph Smith Jr. lol
@@catholicinuniform What a great response, really refuted what I said. No, Jesus founded our Church through Joseph. In the same Catholics would view Peter founding the Church.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Matthew 16:18-19 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) « And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. » Catholics believe Jesus Christ himself built his own Church, because Christ himself said it. If you believe otherwise, you do not believe what Christ said. Maybe you believe the gates of hell did prevail against Christ’s Church. Maybe you believe Peter build his own church upon himself. Maybe, contrary to what Christ said, you believe Christ said « You are Peter and on the rock, that I am, I will build my Church. » If you do not twist words, you believe Jesus Christ : Jesus Christ built his own Church, the Church of living God, on Peter, whom name was change to fit perfectly his mission. The promises clearly apply to Peter only, since Jesus Christ uses the singular form, in front of the other apostles. Study the promises Jesus Christ gave Peter, and see how it is accomplished in his Church: the Catholic Church.
@@dylanwilliams2202it is a long comment, but at first paragraph it says the catholic church apostate... That never happen, jesus never lied, even the gates of hell shall not prevail...
Thank you! Praying for my wife’s conversion. I will show her this video
My brother left the Catholic Church. I’ve had many debates with him especially about faith alone. I’m going to share your research and see how that goes!
May God bless you and guide you. Indeed may He also bless and guide your brother home.
try debating with him on loving Christ -- basing it on John 14:15
then notice how Ex 20:8-11 shows that catholicism doesn't love Christ.
@@tony1685 Again you refuse to accept that Jesus made us a new creation and what Saint Paul said about the Sabbath.
Neither do you accept that Jesus celebrated the first 2 post Resurrection masses on the first day of the week (called The Lord's day) etc.
The same way you do not accept what Jesus said about eternal fire, insteadthinking that Saint Jude talking of Soddom and Gomorrah and its eternal fire meant the 15 seconds of heat that wiped it out in Genesis 19.
@@BensWorkshop paragraph 1 -- did Paul correct our Creator in Ex 20:8-11, Isaiah 56, Isaiah 58, etc?
did Paul correct our Saviour in Matt 5:18-19, Luke 16:17, etc, etc?
did Paul contradict himself in 1 Cor 7:19, Rom 6:1,2,15, etc?
you're still not thinking, obviously.
the Lord's day will forever be the One our Creator & Saviour claimed to be His -- the 7th day Sabbath.
please try to think before posting, Sir -- this is becoming redundant and tiring.
@@tony1685 Did Saint Paul correct him? No, he clarified as did Jesus after the resurrection.
Can you explain what is eternal about a 15 second fireball that consumed Sodom?
PROUD ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH
What are you proud of?
Praise God for bringing you to the one holy and Apostolic catholic church. P.N.G
NO SOLID HISTORICAL PROOF OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION BEFORE END OF 2nd CENTURY .....
JAMES PRESIDED & MADE FINAL DECISION AT 1st COUNCIL IN JERUSALEM ...NOT PETER!!!!!
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Wow. Such s beautiful video breaking down those verses. Thank you very much, You have a gift from God use it to spread the truth about his Church. Sadly now a days the world is criticising the Catholic Church that they're Anti Christ.
Truth actually reveals that this can't be His church since they don't uphold it -- 1 Tim 3:15
if Bible matters, i can show you how it proves catholicism isn't even Christianity. but only if the Word of our Creator matters...
Praise be Jesus Christ now and forever...Amen.
Amen!!!
The former pastor Steven Ray is also a good resource for why Catholicism is the true teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ.
@@sonusancti love that guy.
@@sonusancti no such thing
Thank You for making us aware of these important 5 verses in the Bible , which converted you from Protestanism to Catholism.
It has indeed , deepen and strengthen my faith , in the Catholic Church which i was baptised in.
Welcome back Home Brother , to the One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church which Christ founded .
God Bless You 🙏🏻
Thank you!
welcome back to what? Why do roman Catholics welcome people back to the roman Catholic church as if the church can save anyone?
New subscriber here from Manila Philippines ❤
@@yapeocit9579 thank you!
Welcome home, beautiful testimony, praise the Lord
Love this!!! I am going to reccomend this video to our OCIA Sunday School!
maybe go over Exodus 20:8-11 and show them how Scripture prophesied the catholic 'church' would tamper with the Holy Command....?
@tony1685 Hilarious, dude. Anyway…
@@michaelbarry1664 especially when catholicism *ADMITS* and teaches that it was them.
wake up michael, Truth is leaving you behind.
@@tony1685 Where is Moses? Moses is condemned by your logic, because he made a bronze serpent, and a serpent is something crawling on the earth, meaning Moses broke the commandment
You are obsessed, but you are only barking dog
To anyone else reading this Tony only lives to comment on Catholics videos, he has been refuted thousand of times, he just cannot accept the fact, that tabernacle of God had 2 cherubims, angels, which image is prohibited by God to make for men, but by only his logic, and people worshiped God before the tabernacle by bowing before it. Do not respond to him, pray for him, like I am praying for him
God bless you all!
@@tony1685
Tony. Well I don't really know what to say except to warn you you are bearing false witness. It would be false witness for me to misstate something about your religion
Welcome Home brother in Christ.🙏✝️❤️
@@antonk8249 thank you, brother!
I highlighted those verses in my Bible, Great Thanks!
Thank you Holy Spirit! Please start a podcast. You are good teacher. And clearly you have done the research. Great video! and welcome home brother.
Thank you so much, brother!
There you go brother, 1000th subscriber.
Thank you!!!
One Catholic phrase solves all the conundrums that challenge protestants in the Book of James. 'Fide caritate formate', faith formed by love, charity. From here, we may get through questions on synergism/monergism. How Luther's treatment of 'bondage of the will' is distinct from Augustine's. How initial justification is unmerited without necessarily securing eternally one's justification before the Lord. Etc...etc.
It's all a free gift. But you have to come in person to claim it, dressed in festal joy (it's incarnationational!). You may reject at the outset, even along the way (for instance, because it's a hassle to trudge through a bad storm!).....
And dear Sir, sure glad you made it thus far.
This video will no doubt be a reason for many people come to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Orthodox may claim the Apostolic and Holy, but they are not One (united under one captain) and definitely not Catholic (interracial / of all nations).
Great video brother. Subbed, 998, you’re almost there.
Thank you! at 999 now lol
In Galatians, the Apostle Paul made a clear distinction between faith and vain faith. Genuine faith will bring forth good fruit, which includes obedience to God; however, vain faith cannot bring forth good fruit. Genuine faith is the root; works are the fruit. Faith without works is vain faith, and so vain faith without works is dead.
"A man is justified (made righteous) by works and not by faith alone." Why? Because the works are the EVIDENCE of one's genuine faith. The fruit is the EVIDENCE of a good, healthy root.
God knows the quality of the root, even without the fruit. We know the quality of the root by the fruit. Genuine faith alone makes one justified before God. The good works SHOW that one has been justified by his or her genuine faith.
@@dannisivoccia2712 evidence for whom? Evidence for what?
@The_Catholic_Christian
Evidence for one's genuine faith to glorify God. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see (as evidence) your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Or would you prefer the word 'manifest?'
@@dannisivoccia2712it will 'manifest' if you cooperate with God's grace
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I see you made your goal of 1000! I found your presentation enjoyable and informative. Look forward to future videos and exploring previous ones.
Well done video, and welcome home from a fellow convert!
Hey, thanks!
John 6 was it for me! Also the book of James.
@@carakerr4081 I believed in the Real Presence as a Lutheran otherwise I’m sure John 6 would have made my top 5
Yes it really convicted me!! Welcome home 🏠 God bless you and thank you for this valuable information!
Thank you brother, God bless you abundantly.
Awesome explanation of James 2:24. I will include it in my apologetics power bank. :)
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Great point on the "calling Lord Lord" passage. I note that. (Even though I'm in France and there are almost no protestant to argue against.
Thanks my catholic brother for a very excellent informative presentation on faith alone,but I would like to mention this and that is if people believe in faith alone then I would like for them to explain what is faith made up of,is it just a thought a feeling an emotional thing or is the meaning of faith to them means only one two or three things and that’s all there is to have faith.Now I do believe that what Saint James said about faith that faith is dead without works and it seems to manifest what Jesus told the Jews when they wanted to stone him,and Jesus even says to the Jews for which one of these good works that I’ve done do you want to stone me for.And there’s of course that obvious passage in the epistles that state that we must WORK OUT OUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING and also there are other passages that mentions about works.And there’s something that I’m noticing about Protestants is that they believe that as one is a believer in God they have absolutely nothing to do at all and God is the one who does everything for that person to be saved and that person or person’s can live their daily life in whatever way they please to and that means also doing sins of whatever kind that they’ll do and still be saved,Whooo Weee now that sounds to me purely and completely of human understanding and they don’t believe that there is a higher understanding and interpretation of scripture
Thanks for sharing. Blessings and prayers
Paul talks about man's response of faith to God's grace of salvation through Christ.James must be talking about the faith that was exhibited by some being to be aligned with right faith.Salvation is justification by faith.Not justified by faith alone but by work means to have fruit of salvation.Salvation is received upon faith apart from work according Paul.Standing for such salvation is faith justified by work.
@@LucasRandolfUgno bro needs to re watch that re reasoning
Indeed my catholic brother for what you’ve mentioned about the part in the gospel of when Jesus reveals about those who do the things that he’s taught them and will be saved and then after that Jesus reveals about those who appear to be doing his will and works but he tells them department from me you who work iniquities for I never knew you,now when I first read that passage I really didn’t know who Jesus Christ was talking about but now that I’m listening to more learned Catholics it makes so much sense about whom Jesus is rejecting and it’s all these people who claim that they know scripture’s and learn it and do things contrary to what Jesus is teaching of how to believe in him and what truly must be understood and excepted and done in union with him which is his BODY THE ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF TRADITIONAL TEACHINGS AND WORSHIP for it’s clearer than daylight that anyone who rejects Jesus Christ Church that started upon the Apostles and their successors who were their disciples rejects Jesus himself for in the Catholic Church we do receive Jesus Christ personally in the sacraments necessary for each person but most fully of seven sacraments we receive Jesus Christ totally in the Eucharist and also let’s not leave out the authority that Jesus has given to his Catholic Church Amen 🙏 Deo Gratis
No buddy, Jesus CLEARLY says he is rejecting those who do not do his WILL bro, not SCRIPTURE.
It does not say scripture
@ we’ll tell me then what ARE THE WORDS THAT JESUS SPOKE OF THAT IS WRITTEN IN DA SCRIPTURE AND I MEAN IN SIMPLE ELEMENTARY ENGLISH JESUS SPOKE THOSE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN DOWN IN SCRIPTURE THAT YOU READ AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT READS IT THE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN SPEAKS CLEARLY AND LOUDLY TO WHOM EVER READS IT AND THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT
@johnchung6777 I how the actual scripture is clear enough for you Johnny...
MATT 7:21
Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will
@johnchung6777 I'm just respectfully saying, that after reading your comment I noticed you said Jesus was referring to those who READ and LEARNED scripture, when in fact he said DOING
That's it, just that.
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Yeah I totally agree for Jesus even told the people who were in from of him and said to them why do you call me Lord Lord and not do the things that I tell you to do,thanks for your reply I appreciate it Amen 🙏 🐑🕊️✨🔥
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Thanks for making this. It's interesting to see your reasoning behind changing churches.
I am a conservative Lutheran, married to a Catholic, so I have been looking into various arguments for or against each. I respect your thoughts, but I do worry about a few things and was hoping you could clarify your thoughts.
First, I don't know where you get the idea that Lutherans don't believe in free will. I have never been taught that, and have never felt that. We are saved by Christ's sacrifice and brought to faith by the Holy Spirit. With faith comes the desire to please God and do what he commands to the best of our ability. No one that I know of has said that because we have faith God will force us to do good works whether we want to or not. And if God isn't forcing us to do good works, then we don't have faith and it's really the devil forcing us to sin.
Now, I may be misunderstanding your argument so I would like to get your thoughts.
Second, and probably more important to me, your explanation of the three works based passages sounds an awful lot like work righteousness. I have no issue saying that faith without works is dead. If a tree (faith) has no fruit (works) then it is correct to assume it is dead. But it is important to note that the fruit comes from the tree. Adding fruit to a dead tree won't bring it back to life. However, fruit can be used to create new trees (evangelizing), but it cannot create the tree that grew that individual fruit. I hope that analogy makes sense.
From speaking with my wife, I don't believe Catholics believe in work righteousness, but it takes a very nuanced understanding to realize that. My concern with your explanation is that it seems to disregard that nuance and flat out states you need works to be saved, which to me is work righteousness and directly contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves. It is the gift of God, not by works so that no man can boast."
In summary, works are necessary to grow our faith and keep it strong, but it is not the works that gain us salvation.
I hope you understand my concerns. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Also, may I ask which denomination you converted from?
Hi, I'm not the channel guy, @The_Catholic_Christian, but I do note a common mis-understanding and mis-representation of what Catholics believe, hence my reply.
Apologies if you think I'm speaking / writing out of turn, but please bare with me @john5808
So the lame-o tell, the "I'm parroting what others have fed me" and "I'm not bothered to check what the Catholic position is by doing basic Google search" issue is with your comment "works based righteousness".
Dude that is just low. I'll let the channel go into it for you, he might have more patience, but I will just say you have been DELIBERATELY misinformed.
I use "deliberately" here as in Mike Gendron, James White, John Barnett.
I will respond to your point on faith and works, it's quite simple.
The Catholic church confrims that initical faith is by grace, not earned, but faith after that is being faithFUL to Christ's commandments, see transfiguration where the Father says you must DO that Christ says, John 2 where mother Mary says to Do what Jesus says, Matt 7 and Matt 17 where Jesus says you must do what he says.
So for us it is through faith always, but we have a part to play and this touches on the free will piece, very nicely spoken about in the video.
Check out the Catholic cathecism online here, www.usccb.org/sites/default/files/flipbooks/catechism/448/
And there is an article on Catholic Answers ( caveat here is they are not speaking for the church, but they try to exlain it for an American audience ) that goes in depth on it, quoting the Council of Trent here www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0
The "works righteousness" thing is a anti catholic prapaganda from the DEformation, deliberately done to discredit the Catholic church and usurp athority from the Pope. Authority given to the church in Mat 16,18, John 2:15, 2 Thes 2:15, Luke 10:16
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It appears that those who appeal to 'faith alone' have an image of our humanity as the ghost in the machine. They have seperated the soul from the body and only put importance upon the soul/mind/intention as that alone which needs to be saved; with the body/actions being of little consequence. This sets up a whole theology in which 'faith alone' can make sense and divorces the material and actions from need or participator in salvation.
Once we understand our souls are as incarnated to our bodies as much as the Son of God incarnated in the human Jesus; and can no longer be seperated; then the theology of 'faith alone' no longer suffices for the type of salvation we truly need to be fully saved to God.
@@39knights how do you receive eternal life? what do you need plus faith? have you added to the gospel and perverted the gospel of Christ?
New Testament scholar Tom Schreiner writes: "At first glance, it might seem James rejects justification by faith alone, but first glances aren’t enough when reading the Scriptures. We are called to read deeply and canonically. James doesn’t deny that faith saves; he rejects the notion that a particular kind of faith saves-a faith that doesn’t produce works. In short, faith that is merely intellectual assent is not saving faith." This verse in James should also be read in the context of the rest of the New Testament: "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8-9). Also, "The one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" (Rom. 2:8-9). Of course, the New Testament also affirms that those who are truly justified by faith alone will exhibit the "vital signs" not only of faith in Christ but also obedience to God's commands and love for other Christians (1 John ).
I appreciate your comment. However, why trust Tom Schreiner over St. James when James 2:24 says we are justified not by faith alone?
Faith without the obedience is self deception...faithful obedience to Christ His Church and His Word shows your beliefs, or proves them. Like Abraham leaving Ur and walking up the mountain with Issac. And like Jesus said, "if ye love me (have faith and believe in me), ye will obey my commands!" Faith alone does not clothe the naked and feed the hungry etc! In the here and now, faithful obedience justifies.
Martin Luther, (Father of Protestantism) added "Faith alone" in Rom.3:28. to justify his False teaching. He added "Scripture Only" which also DOES NOT exist in the Bible...This, inspite of what Rev.22-18-19 says about; "Adding/Removing/Changing the word of God" Not satisfied with removing 7 books along with Chapters 11-16 from the book of Ester and parts of Daniel, He also wanted to additionally remove Revelation, Jude, Hebrews and James because they went against his False teachings. Sola Scriptura, (Scripture Only) NEVER existed from 33A.D. when Jesus founded His One and ONLY Catholic Church along with the Apostles. Martin Luther added (Scripture Only) in 1520A.D. and DOES NOT exist in the Bible!..Our Lord Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic! Jn1:42; "You are Simon son of John. Your name SHALL BE CEPHAS! (Aramaic which means Rock) Just another Protestant tactic by your Lutheran pastor because it even exists in his KJV Bible!
Praise the Lord! Your personal integrity gave you the true lens with which to see and discern God's majestic Word!
Ultimately Protestantism by it's very essence is rebellion against our Lord's Church he established through Peter.
Isn't rebellion synonymous with the prince of lies Satan?
I was a catholic too but by the Grace of God I am out and will never go back. If you are looking for justification by works you are lost already Galatians 2:16. Also know that you are reading in a portion of the bible that is not written to us.
He didn't said work only or alone, either justification only or alone. You got wrong bro listen once again.
Which portion of the Bible is written for us, how do you decide on it?
The same Bible you use comes from the Catholic Church. It was written down to be read in the Holy Mass. “We are compelled to concede that without the Catholic Church, we would not have the Word of God” (Bible)-- Martin Luther
Are you saying Jesus made a mistake when He instituted His one and only Church on Peter. And promised the gates of hell shall not prevail against it and gave Peter the key of His kingdom? The Catholic Church stood strong for nearly 2000 years, protecting the teachings of Jesus and His disciples.
And as a Protestant you have to believe that, for 1500 years the church founded by Jesus, and continued by Peter, the Apostles, The Church Father's and great teachers of church were all wrong and that the full truth of Christianity did not arrive until Luther revealed it in 1517? Oops!
Think about it for a moment! 😂😂
Protestant cults are all founded by their human authors to oppose other Protestant cults with rival theology interpreted by their own whims and fantasies ending up in 50000 registered churches in USA Alone.
Who is the founder of your cult?
And when was it formed?🤔
I read somewhere that Luther wanted to remove the book of James from the bible.
He did.
Its the Holy Spirit that works thru all Christians. Not our own works lest any man could boast
22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda.
22:22 And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open.
22:23 And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father. Isaiah.
Typology is almost the key to everything in the Scriptures.
Isaiah
You can have maximum FAITH, yet you disrespect your parents; commit adultery; a murderer; or destroys someone thru false witness. Do you think you are SAVED? Remember when the rich young man asked Jesus how to enter heaven, Jesus said: "Obey My Commandments."
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1. 1 Co 1:10-13
2. Phil. 2:12-13
3. Matthew 16:16:19
4. Matthew 7:21-23
5. James 2:24
Question for you, but I'm also Catholic and I wonder can the last verse also be applied to following the Pope?
No - St. Paul (1 Cor. 1) refers to factions of people following a specific individual to the exclusion of another where all (those with delegated authority) should be followed in the name of Christ. For example, I follow Pope Francis, my Diocesan Bishop, and my Parish Pastor; I follow all three in unity. However, if a group of Catholics started to only follow their Bishop to the exclusion of Pope Francis, or followed only Pope France to the exclusion of their pastor, etc. that would be a divisive problem analogous to the disunity in the church at Corinth. We follow Paul _and_ Peter together; we don't pit them against each other by following one over the other. Make sense?
There is an article written by Walid Shoebat "The Abomination Of Desolation Spoken Of By Daniel Will Soon Be Implemented By Islam’s Antichrist And This Caused Me (Walid Shoebat) To Become CATHOLIC".
COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE. TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU. IF YOU WERE OF THIS WORLD THE WORLD WOULD LOVE YOU AS ITS OWN BUT AS IT IS YOU ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD, we can be loving we can be so kind and we will never be hated for that but dare to be holy and watch what happens IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST HE IS A NEW CREATION i have watched otherwise nice people begin to snarl and growl when they see i am not one of them that i do not belong to their world and their idea of entertainment . so many catholics and protestants alike are still too attached to this world to be hated and despised as jesus was hated and despised WHOEVER BECOMES A FRIEND OF THIS WORLD BECOMES AN ENEMY OF GOD
The Catholic Church is IN the world but not OF the world.
The dilemma that many find themselves in, concerning the Matthew 16: 16-19 discourse, is that the passage gets isolated. It is another example of not comparing Scripture with Scripture, in order to come to the correct conclusion of a subject matter.
We read in 1 Peter, the very writings of the Apostle, and he states that all who are born again are living stones. We see in 1 Peter 2:4, he calls Jesus the Living stone. In verse 5, Peter calls all who are born again living stones which includes himself. In verse 8, Peter refers to Jesus as the stone and the rock. In the Scriptures, stone and rock are used interchangeably.
Peter, the senior Apostle, is a rock/stone hewn out of the Greater Rock (Jesus). Moreover, the rest of His apostles were also rocks/stones hewn out of the Greater Rock.
This explanation ignores that:
1. When God changed the name of someone (Sarah, Abraham, Israel...) the name given ALWAYS meant the mission of that particular person;
2. Jesus proceeds to tell He will build HIS CHURCH upon THAT rock which He just appointed (aka: Simon bar-Jonas);
3. He proceeds to give POWERS to Peter and specially the keys to Heaven, which, for those who know israelite history and customs of the age, means that Peter will be Christ's minister while He is away.
I could point to your explanation of using the term rock in other passages the same way against protestant understanding of Christ's mediation, or if we should or not call others father, etc, because all of these are used in apparent "contradiction".
@daishoo
It escapes your notice that names were also given by God to portray another's character traits, such as in the case of Peter who was rather ambitious, impulsive, and eager to commit.
God is referred to the Rock 28 times in the Old Testament and Jesus is referred to the Rock 8 times in the New Testament. Peter, according to the Roman Catholic Church, is referred to rock only once. This idea undermines the consistency of God's word concerning Jesus as the Rock. The Apostle Peter clarifies what Jesus meant in 1 Peter 2, which was already stated in my first comment,
The Apostle Peter held seniority, due to his time spent with Jesus, over the other apostles. However, Peter was certainly not the Chief Cornerstone of God's church.
A cornerstone of any structure is the starting point of a new building that everything else is measured from and aligned with. It is the first rock of building a structure.
Thank God that He would never build His church on a mere man who needed salvation like the rest of us.
@@dannisivoccia2712 You are still not citing any passages where GOD purposefully RENAMED someone with the purpose of giving the person a mission. You can only provide examples of people being cited as this or that, and not being NAMED.
To name someone is something so important that we notice God gave Adam the responsability to name creation. Also, the same God refused to be named when Moses asked. To name someone is entirely different than referring to someone by a nickname, like dydymus, or "the lesser", or "macabean", or "galilean".
Also being an engineer, let me tell you about rocks in old construction methods: One thing is the cornerstone, which aligns the building upright and its walls in perfect angle. This is Christ, and this is very clear in the bible. But the cornerstone is not the foundation stone, or rock. This one is a level rock upon which the weight of the building will lie upon. And that rock is Peter, and Christ even uses these terms: "UPON this rock".
Finally, you have not answered the part where GOD GIVES Peter powers he did not give to the other apostles, neither to anyone else. Specially the power of the keys, and later, when ressurrected, the commission to strenghten his brothers (the other apostles) in the faith. NO ONE has these commissions, and yet you will continue to hold that that act is just Jesus being bored and deciding upon a nickname for the man who had just said He was the son of the living God?
Jesus was also playing around when he called the man who denied Him thrice and, not only gave him the opportunity to repent thrice, but accpeted that Peter could not love Him as He wanted (Agape) and yet gave him even more commissions? Why didn't He give them to the disciple He loved, Saint John, who was with Him up to the feet of the cross?
Peter's seniority has nothing to do with his time with Christ, because Peter is NOT the first apostle, rather, he is called to meet the Saviour by his brother Saint Andrew.
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The onus is on you to cite the scriptures where Jesus renamed Simon to Peter, for the purpose of a mission. The only mission Jesus gave Peter and His disciples was to "go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature..." and to "make disciples of all nations."
Peter was not given a special mission, except for the office of an Apostle.
We read in Ephesians 2:20 that the foundation of God's church is the apostles and prophets, NOT ONE MAN as you and your church declared. If you say, "No," you invalidate the written word.
You say that Jesus gave Peter powers that He did not give the other Apostles, which are the keys/strengthening the brethren. You stated that no one has these 'commissions," but Peter. How do you read? The keys are given to all His disciples. We know this by Matthew 18:18-19. (Notice: in chapter 18, Jesus was not addressing Peter only)! All disciples are called to strengthen their brethren. So much so, His disciples are called to carry one another's burdens; thus, fulfilling the law of Christ.
So Peter meets the Savior by way of Andrew. Because of this, you are alluding to the fact that Andrew was the first Apostle. This does not compute.
God didn't created a religion, God the Father created a Church which is in Christ Jesus, religion can not save us, but through the grace of God in Christ Jesus, through personal relationship and communion with Jesus...
But don't you know that the Bible says that there is a RELIGION that is pleasing to God?
Worth pointing out that in the Matthew 16:16-19 you quoted it is the use of the word you talking to Peter so many times that also cut off the argument about Peter being a little pebble that Jesus isn't going to build His Church on.
Moving on to Philippians 2:12-13 was watching Kenny Bruchard's Bible highlights series on the question of "are Catholics saved". He pointed out that in the Bible we are saved, being saved and will be saved. (Provided we persevere to the end).
I can see why the penny dropped hearing 1 Corinthians 1:10-13.
Jesus is the Rock. The Rock is the Word of God. Peter has just spoke the Words. Be not be Decieved.
James was writing to the twelve tribes of Israel and Judah, whereas Paul was writing to the Gentiles regarding salvation by grace through faith.
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I understand the first verse but please do research on Saint John Paul II when he talks about unity on the first verse with Lutheran and Calvinists leaders. They actually mean the same, no reason to argue about this anymore unless someone doesn’t believe work is apart of faith (most newer movements). Hebrew word and teaching for faith means works is included in faith, fyi…
But yes faith and works separated is less confusing but it does mean the same thing as what the protestants believe (the original protestants lol)
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it honestly sounds like you're promoting salvation through works.. What do you do with Ephesians 2:8-9?
IT goes hand in hand
@ however, salvation is not through works, so that no man may boast, as that scripture lays out. Our works are a result of our faith, or done in order to deepen a faith that already exists..they do not in and of themselves save you, would you agree?
Please give me a timestamp on how I am promoting salvation through works. What do I do with Ephesians 2:8-9? I read verses 1-7 first, and I notice that everything is said in the past tense, then I realize St. Paul is referring to how one becomes a Christian; just as the Council of Trent perfectly teaches.
@Apoch86 James 4:17, "...WHOEVER KNOWS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND FAILS TO DO IT, FOR HIM IT IS SIN".
The last chapter of the last book of the bible concludes "...my reward is with me, to repay ACCORDING TO EVERYONE'S WORK", REV 22:12 while in verse 15, "OUTSIDE are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood".
You're certainly confused Sir. I pray that the Lord Jesus grace you with wisdom and enlightenment. I was a former Catholic and have many objections and unanswered questions regarding that religion.
Never put your faith in a man (peter) always in Jesus Christ.
The Catholic church doesn't put its faith in Peter. That is a bizarre allegation
How many churches are there? Pretty sure Paul answered that question pretty clearly in First Corinthians. After 3 years at St Paul Bible College I discovered I was still Catholic. The third year of the Bible and Theology degree was the first coverage of theology and church history. The coverage of church history essentially skipped a thousand years before the reformation, and the theology professor wrote the loose leaf text himself. That was about the same time Scott Hahn and many like him were making the same transition. Rome Sweet Home is one of my favorite books. I've been doing prison ministry since 1985 as a Catholic, but I continue to play this song I wrote before coming back to the Church. ruclips.net/video/sTHY35AoPho/видео.htmlsi=l3n6qKlzlSYcC62w
"Faith alone, but wait, It's not Faith alone" ah quotes. The smartest Protestants btw
Gal. 2:16. Try reading James in context.
what kind of works is James talking about
He is talking about good works, works of love, or charitable works. Basically, faith works through love.
Where in the Gospels did Jesus say: "you are saved by grace; and not works"?
ephesians 2:8-9
Study Revaluation and The book of Daniel.
Justification is not salvation.
Do you believe St Paul contradicts Jesus?
@@alisterrebelo9013 Care to elaborate on the intention and substance of your question? I'm curious what point you're going to make.
@@Apoch86 Being justified through faith in Jesus Christ will enable someone to enter the Kingdom of heaven I.e. achieve salvation.
Do you disagree?
@@alisterrebelo9013 I would maintain that our only justification for salvation is our faith in Jesus.. None of our good works can achieve salvation (or, justify salvation) on their own. I do think that the "faith alone" segment of Christianity has gone a tad far in some cases (grace for all things, so just keep sinning and never seeing consequences), but you can't be saved without faith. It is the essential linchpin of the salvific process.
@@Apoch86 What does the word "faith" mean, from the Bible? Also, the question to the OP applies to you, do you believe Paul contradicts Jesus?
You are saved by grace through faith to do good works to please God.
So, my faith and good works please God, but only one contributes to my ongoing justification?
In reference to #3, Simon (Peter) is also called Cephas by Jesus in John 1:42 "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter) from the RSVCE. Even in the NIV the footnote on John 1:42 says this: Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) both mean rock.
We can all agree that Jesus is the head, the foundation and the architect of His Church. Catholics don't think the Church is man-made. Jesus did not say "you" (Peter) will build my Church. Jesus said "Upon this rock 'I' will build my Church." Jesus is the King in Isaiah 22:22 represented by King Hezekiah. Peter is the Vicar on Earth in Isaiah 22:22 represented by Eliakim. Whatever you call Eliakim, he was the grand vizier, the head of the king’s household, the royal steward who had all the keys of the kingdom, he was the king’s stead in the king’s absence. There is so much more...
I have heard the argument that it was Peter’s confession of faith in Matthew 16:16 that Jesus built His Church on, rather than on Peter but we find out in John Chapter 1 that John the Baptist, Philip, Andrew and Nathaniel all made confessions about Jesus and yet they did not receive the all important name change by Jesus as Simon did to his significant name of Peter. So, I would say that it is Both/And…Peter the man as the fulfillment of the role or office and Peter’s faith. I found that the Catechism of the Catholic agrees as one can read in CCC ¶881 (Peter the man) and in CCC ¶424 (Peter’s confession of faith). Again there is so much more...
It's interesting that your particular explanation of those five verses contradict several things that are in the other 31,000 versus but you don't talk about. Start with Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9
Catholics put Eph 2:8-9 in the Bible. I know all about it. I suggest you read 1-7
what’s the gospel
Respectfully, Philippians 2:12-13 is a flagship verse for reformed protestants. "Work out your own salvation" for "it is God who works in you." God does the work, not us. This is a total denial of free will. God is doing the willing. The verse literally tells us that He is willing it. Please reconsider.
We are commanded to work out our own salvation, yet you're suggesting God does it for us against our will?
I will watch the rest of your video later. But the first one you brought up, James actually believes in faith alone. Problem is, you are reading this passage too fast and not thinking it through carefully. The verse you quoted, James used the word “see”. The Greek word used here has to do with “perceive”. You can’t see faith alone, but you can see works. This is how you know one is justified. Just a few verses later, James made it clear he believes in sola fide.
I do appreciate you watching my videos. Why would I, or any other Christian, need to know "how one is justified?" Do you want to see my good works to know I am justified?
@@The_Catholic_Christian As Jesus said, you will know them by their fruits. James was saying the same thing, just differently. James was actually writing to the Jews (who came to Christ) in his day, preparing them for their final days where they had to discern amongst the Jews who rejected Christ as they were about to part ways from the temple (separation of wheat vs tares). They actually did as Josephus documented it, and I figured out the date it happened. It happened on April 10, AD70, Thursday afternoon. So, their prayer was answered their flight would not take place in winter nor the sabbath as Jesus told them. James was not writing to a future audience he knew nothing about. John was doing the same thing when he wrote about testing the spirit etc. They were both preparing them for their 1335-day prophecy of Daniel 12:12, which was from August 15, AD66 to April 10, AD70.
Not all Protestants believe in Calvanistic Doctrine btw... Free will is a clear element in the scriptures, that is imparted to man. However, God also predetermines things, or predestines things (or people), for a time and place. There is absolutely both and.
Yeah, I don't mean to lump all Protestants together.
What about this verse? Have you read this?
◄ Matthew 23:9 ►
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
◄ Exodus 20:4 ►
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
◄ John 4:24 ►
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Can you sight me a verse of any translation that God build a catholic Chruch…
Can any one sight me a verse that apostles and Christ taught us to make them image or statues or what ever to bow down, to worship, to pray and give offerings to it?
Sight me a verse where I can find:
Limbo
Infant baptism
Porgatory
Rosary
Pope
Substitute of Christ
Etc…
◄ 1 Corinthians 4:6 ►
Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
Don’t go beyond what is written!
◄ 1 Corinthians 14:37 ►
If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command
“Faith alone can save us” is not in the Bible and also the catholic doctrines…
Mark 7:7
Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’
Thanks be to God!
There is no verse in the Bible that says Peter was a pope. No verses about the bishops of rome about being successors to Peter.
Works are the fruit of salvation and not the cause of salvation.
A fruit isn't necessary for the existence or preservation of that which produces it. Rather, it is the other way round.
For instance, a TREE doesn't need to produce FRUIT in order to continue to exist as a tree. It remains and retains its identity as a Tree whether or not it bears fruit. You can't look at a tree and say: "This is no longer a tree but something else because it isn't bearing any fruit"
Therefore, if good works are FRUITS of salvation, it means that a person who is saved will retain his status as a someone who is saved even if he completely stops doing good works for the rest of his life?
Luther tended to be an extremist in his thinking - either this way or that way, but not both. That kind of mindset is not Hebraic or biblical. Ecc 7:18 advises us to hold on to one and not let go of the other. We are to avoid extremes - e.g. extreme thinking etc. Read Ecclesiastes and see how Solomon tells us also that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. Read the book of Job and see a lot of seeming contradictions and contrasts.
God is a God of contrasts. See Genesis 1. The binding force of hermeneutics is not the semantics but the Nature, Character and Attributes of God. This is what puts the whole Bible together. There is harmony despite puzzling contrasts from Genesis to Revelation.
Luther's kind of thinking is what led him to hate Jewish people towards the end of his ministry. He became Antisemitic. Shocking, right?!
So, this young man reacted to his Lutheran upbringing. If he mingled with the remnant church that embraced the teachings of God's Holiness in the context of Grace, he might have found home there.
I was just the opposite. I was raised Catholic and could not reconcile so many of the teachings of the church versus what I read in scripture. Is Ephesians 2:8-9 a contradiction? Shouldn't that convert everybody? Context is everything. You also mentioned a few times that "Catholics put that verse there" for this reason or that. God inspired those verses not Catholics and they must be read in context. When you read a verse in scripture that seems contradictory you must read it in light of clearer passages. Who gets the glory should be the question you ask when evaluating the meaning of scripture. Read James in light of Romans 9:16, John 1:12-13, Titus 3:5, John 6:44, Philippians 2:13, James (himself) 1:18, 2 Timothy 1:9, John 15:16 and so any others. Loving God and loving others comes by grace through faith and is evidence of that change that God made in you. Again I say, ask yourself who gets the glory when interpreting scripture. Of your 5 verses, the first one from Peter is the foundational doctrine. If we boast, let us make sure that it is in the Lord. Am I anathema?
Catholics put the verses there. God inspired them to
James 1:1 ..to the twelve tribes.. so you see that James is addressing the Jews not the Gentiles.
James 2:24
Matt 7:21-23
Matt 16:16-19
Phil 2:12,13
1 Cor 1:10-13
So what did you convert from? Were you a believer in Christ as your sole savior trusting Him for salvation ? So it appears that you have embraced a group that calls itself the one true church and tells you what to believe .
James 2:24 does not contradict Titus 3:5 Your interpretation of James is not correct as Jesus points out to the Jews what works they were to do. John 6:27-29
Work out your salvation? Phil 2:12,13
You find in Eph 2:1-22 an expose of the believers life starting where you were and ending with what you have become. along the way salvation is GIVEN to you and you are told it has nothing to do with works. So can we work out our salvation if we do not have God's gift given to us? Now that we have the gift of salvation are we to do nothing? All through the scriptures we are pointed to works to do, not just say 1 John 3:16-18 However having the gift of salvation means that we are not doing works for it , but because of it. We do not maintain our salvation God does.
1 Cor 1:10-13 Christ did not want division in His church and you find a lot of division in every church group including roman Catholics to this day. Not a great argument for embracing roman Catholicism as if they are 100% correct .
Matt 7:21-23 Matthew 7:21-23 is a passage from the Bible that describes Jesus's warning that he will not allow many people into the kingdom of heaven on the Day of Judgment: So what is the criteria for being saved? Acts 16:28-32 and in the judgement by Jesus do you see believers only being judged?
Here is a key verse
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Please point out where a believer is a worker of lawlessness?
Please point out where God takes His gift of salvation away from the believer and denies their relationship with their savior? I NEVER knew you, is not anywhere close to you did not work for me and I now disavow any part of you. Look at the Judgement of Christ for believers in 1 Cor 3:10-15 and you see what we have done with what Christ provided is what we as believers are judged with, but sin and salvation are intact and not in question at all.
Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”
What did Jesus call His church Matt 16:18 and you find all through the new testament there is no name applied to the church as the church is the body of Christ made up of all believers, it is not an institution.
Jesus founds the church on Himself, not on a mortal. Jesus is the cornerstone, the rock the builders rejected ,and Peter given the keys to the kingdom is part of the foundation of the church. but never the head of it.
What i don’t understand about the Catholic religion is that all the saints are the doers and their the important ones in this whole story of salvation. Mary intercedes for our salvation Peter opens the gate.Everyone is working hard where is Jesus? well in my life Jesus is more alive in my life than when i was a Catholic I love a lot more now than when i was Catholic because I concentrate on him and my father in heaven than a religion any religion
Jesus is the King of Heaven and earth so He delegated to His creation the salvation of creation itself. Jesus is so generous to those who followed Him on earth. The thing that God the Father asked of Jesus is come to earth and show creation the way to God's KINGDOM. Claiming that you are better now than when you were a Catholic is a hoax because as a born Catholic when I started praying the Rosary daily, everything also changed for the better if not for the best. I came to love Jesus more, love His Catholic church more and understood more the Bible and how Jesus made salvation more attainable than ever before, peace of mind is a gift from praying the Rosary.
@ Hoax is the rosary and all the apparitions of Fatima.The Good news of the Gospel is Jesus death and resurrection.Not faith in things seen. Blessed are those who have not seen but believe.
@@isildarodrigues5138 LOL so those miracles that came about because of their novena prayers are hoax too when their doctors said there is nothing we can do, and it was only thru their novena prayers that they remitted. Something is wrong with your common sense.
@ My common sense is if your not asking or praying to God.Jesus our intercesor than the miracle isn’t from God.Thats why people go after the miracles and not the truth.
@@isildarodrigues5138 LOL, all miracles come from God so what TRUTH are you talking about? Are you saying miracles come from the devil, you truly have a perverted belief.
justification is not salvation. the cross gave salvation. justification happened in the ot
"I'm not trying to offend my Protestant brothers and sisters."
Oh offend them, offend Protestants cus they need to be offended cus they're silly. LOL
That made me laugh!
He used Mat. 7:21 but fails to know what is the will of the father according to the bible. Ps. 40:8 The will of the father is the law of God. But so sad Catholics are also transgressors of God law in the ten commandments especially the second and fourth commandments.
Please don't say "Catholics"....it constitutes ALL CATHOLICS...We remain Catholics because it is where CHRIST BUILD HIS CHURCH ON THE ROCK... AND THE GATES OF HADES WILL NOT OVERCOME IT...
Yes there are also wolves in sheep's CLOTHINGS in the Catholic Church BUT THE FAITHFULS AND THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF GOD WILL KEEP IT STANDING AND OVERCOME THE GATES OF HADES
THE FAITHFULS WILL REMAIN AND EXPOSE THE WOLVES INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.
Funny how you emphasize "you" in those passages, but fail to see how Jesus says "YOU are Peter, and on THIS rock I will build my church..." Not "upon YOU I will build my church". The "this" is referring to the truth that Peter spoke to Jesus in answer to His question.
Also, Petra and Petros are different things... You don't call a pebble a mountain, or try to kick a mountain down the street, do you? Are they both rock? Yes, absolutely, in material. But the essence of them is different. Such is the case with Jesus answer to Peter in that specific instance.
That’s some interesting gymnastics you’re doing there.
Faith alone is misleading. Faith in what?? You believe in the ressurection of jesus.is he sitting on the right hand of his father. What about predestination , jesus said all that my father has given me will come to me, and no way cast out.
You can't convert to the catholic Church. Once you become a believer in Christ you are automatically a member of the catholic (one universal) Church. However you can convert to the Roman Catholic denomination which is a subset, a branch, of the catholic Church along with all the other congregations of true Christians. We need to keep our terms straight.
Misrep the verse
He doesn't relay correctly the Lutheran doctrine, which also says that faith without works is dead. Works follows faith. Works alone does not save.
Amen. This is a highly suspect argument from his perspective. He's misleading on what "protestants" believe.
I think he does, starting 9:48
"the Lutheran doctrine?" ... I come from Confessional Lutheranism
If you say "the double Lord, you really have faith".
What kind of nonsense is that?
You need to do a deep dive into the meaning of faith. It has nothing at all to do with saying Lord, Lord!!
To do the will of the Father is to be obedient to the commandments of God's Son, Jesus.
Peter who betrayed Jesus 3 times, who was reportedly married, who has no historical record of ever being in Rome and who apparently was the recipient of this huge blessing that was never before or after these couple of verses even alluded to. This Peter whose name means rock, apparently replaced Jesus aka THE rock.
Go figure!
Philippians is talking about having God's Holy Spirit dwelling in you, as was promised, and that that Holy Spirit will guide you.
You follow the pope and the priests and the fathers who forgive your sins and the "saints" you pray to.
The two that you don't follow with any degree of accuracy is God and Jesus.
No wonder you're a catholic!
Can’t listen to this nonsense…”Ye must be born again” John 3 v 3…..
How any even half-intelligent student of the Bible can conclude that salvation comes thru faith alone is a mystery to me. There are so many verses that clearly contradict that false doctrine.
Indeed.
Buddy, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true Church here on Earth. The Catholic Church is nothing more than the first apostate Church. This is split into multiple parts so look underneath this comment.
Your take on Matthew 16:16-19 is just flat out wrong. That is saying that the gates of hades wouldn't prevail against *the rock who is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4, Isaiah 44:8),* not Peter. Hence why it says “and on this rock (Jesus Christ) I will build my church, and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it (Jesus Christ).” This has shown to have been the case because 1 Peter 3:19 tells of Christ going in and teaching to spirits in prison that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit (1 Peter 4:6) and that preaching is still happening today because every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2:10-11) on judgment day. The gates of hades did not prevail because Jesus Christ broke through the bands of death and hades and his gospel went into hades like a rock smashing through a gate. The gates of hades are *gates* not a person or entity and those *gates* did not prevail against Christ.
The closest you can get to it meaning Peter would be his faith in Christ that was the rock, and on this rock or Peter’s faith in Christ will He establish his Church. Peter himself uses the same imagery in his first epistle saying the church is built of numerous “living stones” (1 Peter 2:5) who, like Peter, confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and those confessions of faith are the bedrock of the church.
Which is also how the Early Church Fathers took Matthew 16:18 to mean.
Origen said “And if we too have said like Peter, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ not as if flesh and blood had revealed it unto us, but by the light from the Father in heaven having shone in our heart, we become a Peter, and to us there might be said by the Word, ‘Thou art Peter,’ etc. *For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them,* and upon every such rock is built every word of the Church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.
*But if you suppose that upon the one Peter only the whole church is built by God, what would you say about John the son of thunder or each one of the Apostles? Shall we otherwise dare to say, that against Peter in particular the gates of Hades shall not prevail, but that they shall prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? Does not the saying previously made, ‘The gates of Hades shall not prevail against it,’ hold in regard to all and in the case of each of them?* And also the saying, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church?’ Are the keys of the kingdom of heaven given by the Lord to Peter only, and will no other of the blessed receive them? But if this promise, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven,’ be common to others, how shall not all things previously spoken of, and the things which are subjoined as having been addressed to Peter, be common to them?
‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ If any one says this to Him…he will obtain the things that were spoken according to the letter of the Gospel to that Peter, but, as the spirit of the Gospel teaches to every one who becomes such as that Peter was. *For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ,* that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters…And to all such the saying of the Savior might be spoken, ‘Thou art Peter’ etc., down to the words, ‘prevail against it.’ But what is the it? Is it the rock upon which Christ builds the Church, or is it the Church? For the phrase is ambiguous. Or is it as if the rock and the Church were one and the same? This I think to be true; for neither against the rock on which Christ builds His Church, nor against the Church will the gates of Hades prevail. Now, if the gates of Hades prevail against any one, such one cannot be a rock upon which the Christ builds the Church, nor the Church built by Jesus upon the rock” (Origen Commentary on Matthew Book 7:9-12).
From Eusebius *“as Scripture says: ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it’; and elsewhere: ‘The rock, moreover, was Christ.’* For, as the Apostle indicates with these words: ‘No other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.’ Then, too, after the Savior himself, you may rightly judge the foundations of the Church to be the words of the prophets and apostles, in accordance with the statement of the Apostle: ‘Built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.” (Commentary on the Psalms, M.P.G., Vol. 23, Col. 173, 176)
From St John Chrystom “therefore He added this, And I say unto you, You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church; Matthew 16:18 that is, *on the faith of his confession”* (Homilies on Matthew (Chrysostom), Homily 54)
Even Augustine doesn’t agree with you “And I tell you…‘You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15-19). In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, ‘They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; *but the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor 10:4). So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ…* Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. *Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter’s confession. What is Peter’s confession? ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ There’s the rock for you, there’s the foundation, there’s where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer”* (John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Vol. 6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327).
The current Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18 is not shared by the Early Church Fathers and is a later interpretation to try and justify the false Catholic claim of being true. To say that the Church was built on Peter is to say that the Catholic Church is Peter’s Church and not Jesus Christs. Yes, Peter had the keys but that doesn't mean it is built on Peter. Even if it was talking about the Church being on Peter, where do you get that the Bishop of Rome is the leader of the Church from Matthew 16:18?
Where does it say that Linus or the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Because no one ever mentions Rome being the leader of the church for hundreds of years. Are you really going to sit here and try to say that no one would have *clearly* stated that Rome was the leader of the Church for hundreds of years? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Are you really going to claim that John wouldn’t have been the next in line to being the leader of the Church? That people would have listened to Linus (or the other 3 bishops who were alive before John's death) over John? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 64 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been made Bishop of Rome well after Peter was alive.
The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? And if we really wanted to push it, the Church in Alexandria was started by Mark who was a follower of Peter so you have 4 others besides Rome that have a link back to Peter (that we know of). Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker.
Added on to the fact, Gregory of Nanzianzus, a “Doctor of the Church” and part of the Three Holy Hierarchs who lived between 321-390 AD said this about Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria: “He [Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria] was invested with this important ministry, and made one of those who draw near to the God Who draws near to us, and deemed worthy of the holy office and rank, and, after passing through the entire series of orders, *he was (to make my story short) entrusted with the chief rule over the people, in other words, the charge of the whole world:* nor can I say whether he received the priesthood as the reward of virtue, or to be the fountain and life of the Church (Oration 21, Paragragh 7).
Here, Gregory says that Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, was “chief” among Bishops. If this claim was made about the Bishop of Rome, Catholic apologists would be pulling it out as “evidence” that the Papacy was an ancient institution that exercised jurisdiction over the Christian world since the beginning. Instead, it proves that the Catholic Church’s claims are false because he says that a Bishop of Alexandria was the leader of the Church, not Rome. If the Bishop of Rome was seen to be the leader since Peter then why is this said about the Bishop of Alexandria? Which speaking of, the Bishop of Alexandria uses this same logic in the Coptic Orthodox Church today and has a pope who uses the same logic you all do and claims to be the Leader of the Church.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a "magisterium" but we are actually run by a Prophet and Apostles. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
The church of Jesus in latter day saints is just one of many sects and cults founded by people and not by Christ. Keep on dreaming. You were just founded by Joseph Smith Jr. lol
@@catholicinuniform What a great response, really refuted what I said.
No, Jesus founded our Church through Joseph. In the same Catholics would view Peter founding the Church.
@@dylanwilliams2202
Matthew 16:18-19 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)
« And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. »
Catholics believe Jesus Christ himself built his own Church, because Christ himself said it.
If you believe otherwise, you do not believe what Christ said.
Maybe you believe the gates of hell did prevail against Christ’s Church.
Maybe you believe Peter build his own church upon himself.
Maybe, contrary to what Christ said, you believe Christ said « You are Peter and on the rock, that I am, I will build my Church. »
If you do not twist words, you believe Jesus Christ : Jesus Christ built his own Church, the Church of living God, on Peter, whom name was change to fit perfectly his mission.
The promises clearly apply to Peter only, since Jesus Christ uses the singular form, in front of the other apostles.
Study the promises Jesus Christ gave Peter, and see how it is accomplished in his Church: the Catholic Church.
@@dylanwilliams2202it is a long comment, but at first paragraph it says the catholic church apostate... That never happen, jesus never lied, even the gates of hell shall not prevail...
for me, John 14:15 compared with Exodus 20:8-11 is undeniable in showing that catholicism isn't Christianity.