The logistics and issues with old school Mortars cannot compete with this system. The future is mobility and accuracy. Having a large amount of ammunition on hand is critical.
@@alangordon3283 umm... the logistics already changed with this system. A towed mortar system carries at the most 10-20 rounds/piece of which at least a quarter is smoke shells and all in crates or plastic quivers. That towed mortar platoon also requires at least one flat bed 4x4 or 6x6 cargo truck for hauling the rest of the ammo on cargo pallets. The GrkPbv90120 can carry twice the ammount of a towed system just in it's ready racks, and then that ammount again in secondary storage, effectively eliminating the need for ammo trucks in the unit itself as one Mjölner platoon can go back to batallion ammo depot to fill up when down to
This is a much more complicated system than the old Mortars, so it will have it's own new problems to keep it maintained and efficient ... old mortars could be carried by any pickup or truck , which is an advantage in my opinion
As an infantry officer, I love mortars. For all the reasons given in the video, plus two more: Cost and logistics. Artillery is good, but when the chips are down and the enemy is overrunning my position, a request for artillery fire tends to receive the response, "Sorry, you are not a priority." But mortars belong to the infantry. So we do not have to request, we just use them. In modern war, about 80% of casualties are caused by shrapnel from indirect fire weapons. Well-used mortar fire can play a key role in stopping an enemy attack. Cost and logistics is a huge part of this. Mortar bombs are cheap enough that in peace-time a reasonable amount of ammunition can be made available for practice. Just ask your local artillery militia unit how many artillery rounds the government provides for them to fire each year! It is the same with human resources. A FOO (artillery Forward Observation Officer) is a university-educated officer, but a MFC (mortar fire controller) can be a master corporal that went on a summer course. In war-time, mortar bombs do not require any scarce materials or highly skilled labour to manufacture. It is fairly easy to set up factories to produce vast numbers of mortar bombs. Cost and logistics mean that mortar fire is there when the infantry needs it. K40 592 576 Captain (retired) Kevin C. Love, CD The Royal Regiment of Canada
When I was a Platon leader in the Swedish army in the 80's. My AFOO was an assistant professor in mathematics in his civilian carrier. Mortar fire can usually be closer to your own position than artilleri.
That's a very good comment from an actual infantryman - gotta add up some of our Ukrainian experience here - because the modern war is being shaped here. I totally agree with a lot of points mentioned here, just want to tackle this from our perspective: 1. Our 120mm mortars are the main weapon system of an infantry battalion - and if used properly - with our Army SOS software installed on Android tablets for calculating ballistics, maps and geolocating yourself, etc. (commonly adopted by UA army and a lot of people were trained on in) + drone team correction - it's as deadly, precise, mobile as these modern fancy mortar weapon systems. That's the reality - at a fraction of a cost - you get "digital fire control system" and live correction for a cheap 120mm mortar, that costs 20-30K USD and manufactured locally. 2. 120mm mortar is not "unmobile system" - a trained crew can dissassemble the mortar and change the position very fast - and they can use a MRAP or something lighter and less appealing to be a priority target on a battlefield. Our crews have learned to do this, as Russians have a full suite of counter-artillery reconnaissance (like counter-mortar radars, etc.) and you'd better be quick to move. 3. You can conceal the position of 120mm much easier than a huge tracked vehicle - in our realities, due to the availability of almost live reconissance with drones, huge number of FPVs, etc, the pricy armored vehicles are held further to the back due to the ease of detection. 4. Very good point mentioned above about priorities of your artillery - most likely, these fancy and very pricy mortars are going to be in direct subordination of brigade commander and included into brigade artillery group - and in case of an enemy trying to assault your positon, your batallion as an independent unit is gong to use whatever you have on hand - your old-school mortars :) No economy in the world can afford to have this pricy vehicle at a batalliton level - and even if it can - in real war, it's going to be detected quite easily and 1 FPV drone or a kamikaze drone - and it's done. Findig a traditional 120mm mortar position somewhere in an urban area, or hiding behind the greenline, or firing from improvised dugout that is concealed and masked - is much, much harder target to detect and to hit precisely. Gotta admit - a very cool weapon system, but given how pricy it can be - it's definitely not a weapon for "big wars", more of a evolution of modern "peace time" military industrial complex with a lot of marketing involved :)
Mjölner Will mainly support the mechanised brigades and deliver support to them once advancing. I saw the effect of two Mjölner firing during an exercise and it was fast and furious, popped smoke and reversed out to next position. I do not want to do business on the receiving end of this system 👊🏻
@@ginNjus 240mm mortars have no role on the current modern battlefield as there's nothing it can do that a 155mm howitzer or multirole combat aircraft can do quicker, with more reliability accuracy, and with faster follow up shots if the first one doesn't do the trick.
@Kimi Timoskainen Yeah but I mean Patria is APC platform where CV90 is more of a IFV/Light tank, that means how they can be used is different when it comes to mobility and logistics.
@FaceFish9 No need to say you like CV90. We know that CV90 is a good IFV. Patria is without any doubt a fantastic APC with multiple versions. The only reason that we have ordered 321 of them is because they are awesome.
@@gillesregnery9692 it's not a tank, it's an IFV, it's protected against anything up to 15mm AP on the sides, 30mm apds in the front and it's main job is to carry and support an infantry squad. If it comes up against tanks, it's job is to either pop smoke and yeet itself into cover and concealment Or, stay vewwy, vewwy quiet and hide to wait until the tanks move on or call down artillery, or wait until its infantry can engage from the side or rear of the tank and then open up on the tank to supress it or finish it off while covering the infantry falling back to mount up.
Having served with both the old system in Sweden and the new Mjölner I can say that it is a game changer. The speed with which it can maneuver, deploy and redeploy is remarkable.
@@gumby2241 It's not invulnerable, yes, nothing is. Doesn't mean it isn't a good system still. Drones have also been used on howitzers, so increasing the range isn't going to help anyway. And having some armor is better than no armor
I don’t get the point of just small arms fire protection if it’s normal range is over 5km then what small arms are threatening it? Might as well go back to a mortar truck because anything hitting you from 5km away is not a small arms
@@off6848 It does provide protection from shrapnel, which is a massive threat. But also, you want to be fairly close to the front line, that is not really a line but rather an area. Meaning that there is a fair risk that mortars can come into contact with enemy infantry, making small arms protection a good thing.
@@off6848 It's literally mentioned in the video. The biggest threat by far to any artillery is counter-battery fire from other artillery. Having an armoured platform means you're protected against anything but a direct or very close hit from return fire. Anything else will be stopped by the armour. That shrapnel would shred unprotected infantry otherwise. As mentioned it's also not impossible for the vehicle to come under small arms fire as the front line is constantly shifting in modern warfare. Forcing the need for anti-tank weapons rather than small arms to knock out the vehicle if they come under fire is a great boon to the protection of the crew until they can reposition.
To use the tried and proven CV90 platform together with the tried and proven 120mm mortar is just so swedish. It is a "safe" idea and it builds on existing logistics so it is comparably affordable. Maybe not the newest or sexiest of concepts but, damn it, it works!
And further from the front lines, you got Archers. In the skies the roaring sound of democracy and independence from Gripen. It's not a coincidence that the 3 point seatbelt was invented here .
CV90 is my favorite platform due to its variants like this. I was aware of this, and thought to myself why on earth would anyone not have battallions of these machines in every nation. Literally artillery on demand wherever you go.
With the GRKPBV 90 (hurray for Swedish defence force abbreviation!) lightning really does strike twice. If there's one thing I would say about the swedish military procurement system that makes it stand out is a pragmatic and solution-oriented mindset. In a short film produced by the army about this vehicle, they describe how they went from contract negotiations with BAE in the fall of 2016, and preproduction vehicles delivered after instructors had been trained in january of 2019(!!). They got a time-frame, a budget and a set of requirements and in less than three years released a cost-effective self-propelled mortar system upon an unsuspecting world, and I think that's very impressive. I mean can you IMAGINE what this thing can do to an armored column, firing those heat-seeking top-attack STRIX rounds? About that comparison to the Humvee carrying a 105mm howitzer: I think it's a question of operational requirement. The US army expects to fight a lot on big open plains, so they invest in the heaviest armor for their tanks and the punchiest ATGMs for their IFVs and infantry - this also means that howitzers have more utility, as mortars on a big open plain would be more vulnerable to detection, seeing how close to the front they are. The Swedish defence force however operates in heavily forrested terrain, where you can much better hide mortar batteries. That's my theory, anyway
I considered where Ivan (a nickname for Russia) would attack first and it would most likely be middle to north sweden - very rocky/hilly terrain with alot of forest so I'd say you're correct. The northern part holds most of the iron extraction so it would be a prime target. Middle sweden has the capital region.
@@Brakvash not really. The strategic value of Sweden to Russia isn't our resources, it's the way we are an obstacle to accessing the North Sea from the Baltic sea and the way our country is a key to successfully deny NATO ability to reinforce it's Baltic member states by air or sea. The main attacks would come towards Gotland, Blekinge as well as southern/western Scania With secondary attacks towards Stockholm to decapitate the government and press on towards Oslo, and in the North to seize the big hydro power plants, iron mines and press on to Narvik. (And capturing or asassinating the civilian government won't matter much to the defense efforts as Sweden isn't centrally governed top-down, the constitution doesn't mandate the government to negotiate surrender while under invasion, and the military chains of command and organisation are separate from the civilian government in everything but budget and legislative framework. Plus the fact that Swedish defense doctrine explicitely advocates flawed initiatives above inaction on every level down to individual soldiers as long as those initiatives are aligned with the intent and purpose of the latest recived orders. And that every soldier manual, the civilian crisis/war booklet and every single public phone book from 1940 until they stopped printing the phone books in 2010, stated: *EVERY MESSAGE SUGGESTING THAT RESISTANCE SHOULD CEASE IS TO BE DISMISSED AS FALSE!*
look at the map of Sweden about 50% is woods we need another way of defending Sweden then the plains of USA or open deserts in midle easts hens fast deploying weapon systems like archer / mjölner / cv90 platform and so on that can shoot and reallocate in minutes
I love these kinds of vehicles, especially when they're on existing chassis. Great for parts commonality and logistics, training, and keeping costs down.
I think your reply was the best and most logical of them all including my own. Hopefully we will all get to see more Swedish weapons like this one in action in Ukraine soon. Archer is already on the way and hopefully this system and Grippen Fighters will follow suit.
I was a mortar gunner back in the day. First with the 81mm which we humped, then the 4.2 inch with the tracked 113, but this system seems awesome. Being able to shot and scoot so quickly means surviving.
From a tactical perspective, I have to believe that this kind of highly mobile 120mm firepower has a place in cavalry maneuver. Having 2 or 3 of these bad boys moving with small cav/scout units to provide a base of covering fire for both advance and retreat would be perfect.
They are integrated in the CV90 mech inf. & Strv122/CV90 armor batallions with two mortar platoons to each bat. Idk how many Mjölner vehicles to each mortar platoon, but I would guess on 3, they replace two platoons of 4 towed m1941 mortar pieces each.
Yeah, throw in a tank killer and you have a proper mechanised unit that can do some real damage whereever they are. Add to that the global eye system and... well, good night Russia.
Dobrý den. jsem z Česka a naše země má nahradit stará BVP sovětské provenience právě za systém CV90. Jak bych byl rád, kdyby neskončilo jenom u BVP, ale kdyby naše armáda nakoupila i tento minometný systém právě pro podporu pěchoty. Celý koncept multifunkčnosti systému CV90 je prostě úžasný.
3:56 For Granatkastarpansarbandvagn (Grkpbv) 90 (Mjölner) they used the already ordered hulls for the canceled Amos project that been keept in storage and already had the bigger turret ring needed to fit the Mjölner turret... so you cant fit the Mjölner or AMOS turret on a regular CV90 hull, or a regular CV90 turret on a Grkpbv 90 hull without modification.
This inter-operability is the strenght of the CV90 system, and any nation that adopts it on a grand scale would reap the benefits in effective maintenance and logistics. With Sweden hopefully joining NATO this removes a lot of export-paperwork that used to exist. We just needs Turkey to be reasonable.
AMOS is five times more expensive than Mjölner (the weapon system). This is why Sweden went with Mjölner. Amos is a bit faster but not that much. Mjölner can carry more ammunition 😀
The advantage of mortars above artillery is the ability to come straight down on a target and avoid obstructions that a shallower path could stop, so you can use smaller, faster-firing rounds on things like trenches. So naturally, with maneuver warfare being on everyone's mind mortars have been neglected recently, despite Afghanistan showing how useful they are in mountainous and hilly combat theatres. Ukraine is showing how they are still needed and valuable in a near-peer fight. Former 11C. US Army (Reserve) Mortarman
Personally I think this is an underrated vic. The amount of pain this thing carries can't be matched by a truck or dismounted troops. The protection is also an excellent reason to get it.
The CV90 platform seems to be far more what an IFV range should be - common base for maintenance, multiple specialist variants. Effectively the pinnacle of the SdKfz 250/251 thought, with increased modularity.
Not capable for serious war task,swedish mentality is slowed down and not ready to reduce stress in a war situation,equipment is one thing and manpower is another,i know what i,m saying!😉
@@bob8688 weirdly said, not quite sure what you mean, but the swedish army does have a short supply of personnel one of the highest vehicle to personnel ratios of any armies
I believe wholeheartedly that the Canadian Military would benefit greatly from having this weapon system in its inventory. Thanks for another great video Matt, a Huge BZ 🍻
With Sweden donating 50 CV90 to Ukraine, I'm wondering if it won't be a fully equipped battalion for mechanised combat. That includes Grkpbv90 (Mjölner) and Lvkv90 (anti air CV90), driftstöd (in the field maintenance and repair CV90 with mechanics instead of dismounts) etc The might of Swedish armored doctrine, combined with the Archers, might be on complete display. Gå På Marsch, Framåt!!!
How do you maintain these in the field? Shipping back to sweden when something breaks is going to hurt. I also question what ammo it uses, I doubt if it's nato standard, but I could be wrong.
How you maintain them? With equipment and personnel on sight obviously 😂 And its ordinary mortars, using ordinary ammo. Completely interoperable with anything in the NATO arsenal. This was one of the silliest posts I've seen on RUclips in a long time 😂
I was an artilleryman and spent 3+ years at Ft Sill. So many of the abilities that Ukraine has demonstrated are the natural progression of doctrine and technology we were testing then. Think your assessment of the benefits of this weapon correct. The crew of the weapon system can accomplish a great deal of the maintenance, and can testify to the proficiency a well-trained gun crew. I understand fire-support and the tools available now insures that artillery will remain "King of Battle" for the foreseeable future.
It's just sad that the world we have made as a species has so much intolerance and greed that this creativity and geniality has to be dedicated to weapons design instead of something like disability aids, space exploration, clean power etc. I'm just as proud as you of our industrial engineers, and of my comrades in the Home guard, the contracted regulars and the teenage conscripts who accepts the duty and oath to keep the friends, family and people living in our country safe and free to be ourselves as each of us see fit. I just wish that some day, that an armed defence force won't be needed to safeguard from threats posed by others of our own species.
Well, I'm Finn, Amos is fabulous, but apparently too over priced to be counted as succesful as they only ever build like 20 units. Some USA firm bought licence for manufacturing, but not sure if they made any. Mjölnir is also probably too expensive to be succesful. Great consept still.
The mechanized/armored battalions used to have 10,5cm howitzer 4140 as their integrated artillery but in the 1990's when the 12cm STRIX top attack smart anti armor mortar round came into service this was seen as such an asset the 10,5cm howitzers where switched to 12cm mortars. In the current organisation all maneuver battalions have two mortar platoons in their command companies and in the mechanized/armored battalions those are two platooms of Mjölnir vehicles. All platoons have 4 mortars or 4 Mjälnir giving a total of eight per battalion. So far 40 Mjölnir has been delivered and 40 more are on order which will cover the 10 Armored/Mechanized battalions of the 2020 defence decition.
This is the future of mobile infantry. I love it. This Is perfect to network into your combat computer systems too. Upgradable tied to observation drones, command centers etc. you are right on target. “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.”
4:52 personally i like the idea of an otomatic 76 but in an indirect fire role yes the 76 mm is a smaller round but when you are firing that many of them in that short of a time frame and if you are mrsi to the mix i imagine you have an effect on target not dissimilar to a cluster bomb as 76mm shells come raining down and air bursting
@@reginaldpasao8390 But only for that it's not light enough to damage fieldworks that was discovered all the way back in WW1 you need at least 10,5cm when it comes to artillery. A 12cm mortar is both less expensive less complicated and has a bigger payload than the 76mm
As a Scout in the U.S. Army for a decade and a half the 120mm mortars were our first go to fire support...another advantage of a mortar is you can drop rounds on and cover the back side of a hill and completely cover that area. I moved to a Stryker Brigade in 2002 and we had 2 mortar Strykers in each Cavalry Troop
The amount of Motors rounds it can carry and rate of fire with the Accuracy it will not suffer from the typical motor tube movement with every shot. This system will become a largely standard part of every army in one format, weather it be a new system built or buying these from other countries. Theses are amazing pieces of military equipment.
I like the whole CV90 platform concept, seems multiple countries are building on it. Once available, this monster sounds as an interesting agile platform
The stability of a mortar is very important, the portable base mortars can move around between shots, making it almost impossible to successfully correct the following shots ..
The nice thing is the nibble way it could move with the Infantry without the need to pack up when the Infantry is moving on an attack. Definitely a nice bit of kit👍
A very interesting video about a piece of equipment I did not know had been developed, so Kudo's to you for posting and the Swede's for developing it. I could see it's usage as a very good support weapon for any advancing armored column without infantry leaving the safety of their APC's in order to "setup traditional mortar's" to support an infantry attack. I can also see the benefit of the plunging fire effect this system would have in an urban or hilly environment replacing the STG direct fire support systems or at least enhancing a commander's options and not having to rely on longer range field arty. Sweden commands my respect for always producing the highest quality of weapons and systems and maybe if Sweden donates "a few" of these for use in Ukraine like they are doing with the Archer SPG system and positive battlefield reports come back from their usage, maybe then the orders will start to roll into BAE from other Nations and BAE could firer back up it's production line and make a big profits score. Just off the top of my head I can think of 10-Countries that would benefit from having this system in their arsenal.
Important option and well described. Thanks so much for your excellent, grammar, diction and syntax. Very few narrators these days do so well. On the contrary, many are utterly incapable of pronouncing and emphasizing English correctly. Good work!
Seems like something that would decimate a fortified position or a mechanized push if it got into range. I don't think one should underestimate what a closed system can do for crew comfort in what can be freezing conditions either.
I am with you on this. Once it's realized how handy, how effective these things are, they will be actually worn-out from over use. Their speed & unique style of heavy fire power, will be the difference between tactical victory & defeat. Between lives lost & lives saved to fight another day. Really, some people don't get that?
And the same topic, France has developed the Griffon MEPAC. It is equipped with a 120mm cannon and can engage targets at 15Km. The cadence is 10 strokes per minute and the vehicle speed is 100KM. Very nice vidéo, thx !
I really hope the US Army adopts these or something like them for their Mech Infantry and Armored Brigades. I agree the days of setting up mortar pits are going the way of the dinosaurs.
Sweden seems to spend little and develop great kit that gets in service and is useful. Britain spends shedloads on developing kit that's late and often questionable... When I first saw this I was wondering what the point is and whether you wouldn't be better off having a mobile piece of artilery backing you up instead. But I think that although its a bit niche having a mortar on the same chassis as your IFV gives you quick fire support when it's needed and being in a vehicle means you can carry your ammunition with you (and go back to restock) being much more mobile and likely effective than a normal mortar team.
"better off having a mobile piece of artilery backing you up instead." Artillery is typically a higher unit (battalion, brigade) asset, while mortars support platoons and companies. at relatively close range.
An excellent video, echoing my feelings exactly. Right down to the superb CV90. However, AMOS is such a sexy weapons system. I want one for rabbit control duties!
So happy you got the invitation to Haegglunds, hope you enjoyed it as much as that huge grin suggested. Mjoelner is a name that rightfully belongs to the Bombkapsel 90... which were scrapped as being a cluster-weapon in spite of the electrical fuzes producing no duds.
That Humvee towed mortar system looks really cumbersome and slow to handle compared to the towed old (entered service in Sweden in 1941) Finnish made 120mm mortars that the Mjölner replaced.
Modularity seems to be the name of the game for modern militaries. The Boxer being ordered by so many european nations and the CV90 platform are testament to that.
I've used the Amos in the Russian game app Wild Tanks. Before sanctions and the invasion killed the game. It's fire power is second to none and shoot and scoot is very fast. It was a blast and I survived many battles in it.
Sweden produces the world's scariest explosive-based weapons. I've operated and trained with all versions of the M136 AT4 including the new CS variant, and good ol' Charlie G.
The Central powers defeated Russia in World War 1. It had to sign a humiliating peace treaty. The Golden Horde has beaten Russia again and again and again.
a great way to make the earliest Mk 0 and Mk 1 hulls an affordable and still a highly effective asset. the latest CV90 fighting variants have gotten heavy with both inbuilt armor and electronics. this beast just needs a datalink in the turret and its good to go
I like it! Simple, reliable, highly mobile and devastating against infantry/light vehicles. Very useful as an adjunct to artillery and close air support.
Sweden consistently exceeds expectation and yet remains in the background. I understand that countries expect their defense industries to supply their requirements, but Sweden consistently tops them all.
I think one reason Swedes come up with these nice toys, is that they don't have a lot of manpower in their military. So they cannot afford to throw people at the problem. So the machines needs to be better, to address this problem - and that is how innovations happen.
The CV90 program started out in the 80's when Sweden still had the cold war total defense structure. That meant: -Quick mobilization: 100.000 home guard units within hours. -Full mobilization: 1.000.000 personnel within two weeks. -Deep reserve: An additional 1.000.000 men. From a population of 8 million.
@@Mosern1977 The reason Sweden makes good stuff is because we see no reason why we would make anything that is worse than what already exists... A prime example is when Sweden were looking to get a new tank to replace the S-tank. Swedish companies made the Strv2000 prototype, but since the cold war had ended it was deemed more economical to just buy the license for the Leopard 2. (And build them in Sweden)
I would have loved to have seen all 3 vehicles fire simultaneously! And the blast at impact! 6 120mm shells detonating simultaneously on a single target.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 lol! Though the most common mortar round used by Swedish 120mm mortars is a tripple mode fuse default set to air burst with impact and delayed impact burst as alternatives. Delayed impact is for urban/dug in targets protected by tin, tile or log and sandbag roofs.
I hope your channel grows to a point that you can make it a living. Hopefully you will get in a position to speak your real opinion. I was in the US Air Force so I know the pain you are going through.
What many don't think about is that this will be much more accurate since it has computers and stuff inside the vehicle. The aming is probably all done automatically by computers. With an old school mortar setup it must take ages to calculate everything and set it up properly. So this is a huge advantage. But this is what makes it beeing able to shoot and scoot so fast, like the Archer.
US Army is already testing Patria 120mm NEMO for their Strykers, OMFV and AMPV. This could also be installed by BvS10 Beowulf CATV that US Army just picked. Patria NEMO 120mm mortar is used by a lot of countries.
Fair point, but I would assume that there would be a protocol (if possible) for quick removal of damaged loaders to allow for direct manual loading. Wouldn't be a fun place to be under a counter-battery barrage, but it would mean the vehicle could keep putting rounds down-range. Plus, the main defense from counterfire for this thing appears to be being long-gone by the time it arrives (shoot-and-scoot). Having your return fire land in under a minute from the first mortar being launched is quite a tall order. I recall hearing that the Russian average in Ukraine was 8 minutes, though that was a few months back (mind you, things don't seem to be improving for Putin).
Swedish government actually approved to donate 50 CV9040 to Ukraine, will be much interesting to see how it performes against an enemy it was built to defeat from the beginning.
@@FXGreggan. The Taliban did engage Swedish CV9040Cs directly in Afghanistan during ambushes, after the first couple of engagements they simply gave up all forms of direct attack on convoys and units that had CV90 support. The 3P rounds with programmed fuses proved absolutely devastating and made much cover useless with their airbursts.
Where did you get the number 60? When I checked it said we have 549 CV90's. Which might be the reason why we have 50 of them that we can send to Ukraine.
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The Swedish Army ordered 20 more in 2022, and just a couple of days ago, 20 more. 80 in total when delivered.
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The Swedes consistently come up with some of the coolest weapons platforms in the world. It's just absolutely amazing to see their ingenuity at work
And together with the strix 120 mm top attack round,even tanks and armoured vehicles wont stop them
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Craddle of feminism/lgbt/woke. Not really impressive.
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 Um that would be the US
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@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 As a Swede, lol no. America is WAY worse in that regard, even Britain or Germany is worse.
The logistics and issues with old school Mortars cannot compete with this system. The future is mobility and accuracy. Having a large amount of ammunition on hand is critical.
That's why mortar carriers are so much in demand by defence personnel of major countries..
Most of the vehicles I see seem to have a use case. But I'm never sure which has a necessary use case.
The logistics will not change . Stop waffling 🙄
@@alangordon3283 umm... the logistics already changed with this system.
A towed mortar system carries at the most 10-20 rounds/piece of which at least a quarter is smoke shells and all in crates or plastic quivers.
That towed mortar platoon also requires at least one flat bed 4x4 or 6x6 cargo truck for hauling the rest of the ammo on cargo pallets.
The GrkPbv90120 can carry twice the ammount of a towed system just in it's ready racks, and then that ammount again in secondary storage, effectively eliminating the need for ammo trucks in the unit itself as one Mjölner platoon can go back to batallion ammo depot to fill up when down to
This is a much more complicated system than the old Mortars, so it will have it's own new problems to keep it maintained and efficient ... old mortars could be carried by any pickup or truck , which is an advantage in my opinion
As an infantry officer, I love mortars. For all the reasons given in the video, plus two more: Cost and logistics. Artillery is good, but when the chips are down and the enemy is overrunning my position, a request for artillery fire tends to receive the response, "Sorry, you are not a priority." But mortars belong to the infantry. So we do not have to request, we just use them.
In modern war, about 80% of casualties are caused by shrapnel from indirect fire weapons. Well-used mortar fire can play a key role in stopping an enemy attack. Cost and logistics is a huge part of this. Mortar bombs are cheap enough that in peace-time a reasonable amount of ammunition can be made available for practice. Just ask your local artillery militia unit how many artillery rounds the government provides for them to fire each year!
It is the same with human resources. A FOO (artillery Forward Observation Officer) is a university-educated officer, but a MFC (mortar fire controller) can be a master corporal that went on a summer course.
In war-time, mortar bombs do not require any scarce materials or highly skilled labour to manufacture. It is fairly easy to set up factories to produce vast numbers of mortar bombs. Cost and logistics mean that mortar fire is there when the infantry needs it.
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When I was a Platon leader in the Swedish army in the 80's. My AFOO was an assistant professor in mathematics in his civilian carrier.
Mortar fire can usually be closer to your own position than artilleri.
Thanks for pointing out these points for infantry
Thank you for your service.
That's a very good comment from an actual infantryman - gotta add up some of our Ukrainian experience here - because the modern war is being shaped here. I totally agree with a lot of points mentioned here, just want to tackle this from our perspective:
1. Our 120mm mortars are the main weapon system of an infantry battalion - and if used properly - with our Army SOS software installed on Android tablets for calculating ballistics, maps and geolocating yourself, etc. (commonly adopted by UA army and a lot of people were trained on in) + drone team correction - it's as deadly, precise, mobile as these modern fancy mortar weapon systems. That's the reality - at a fraction of a cost - you get "digital fire control system" and live correction for a cheap 120mm mortar, that costs 20-30K USD and manufactured locally.
2. 120mm mortar is not "unmobile system" - a trained crew can dissassemble the mortar and change the position very fast - and they can use a MRAP or something lighter and less appealing to be a priority target on a battlefield. Our crews have learned to do this, as Russians have a full suite of counter-artillery reconnaissance (like counter-mortar radars, etc.) and you'd better be quick to move.
3. You can conceal the position of 120mm much easier than a huge tracked vehicle - in our realities, due to the availability of almost live reconissance with drones, huge number of FPVs, etc, the pricy armored vehicles are held further to the back due to the ease of detection.
4. Very good point mentioned above about priorities of your artillery - most likely, these fancy and very pricy mortars are going to be in direct subordination of brigade commander and included into brigade artillery group - and in case of an enemy trying to assault your positon, your batallion as an independent unit is gong to use whatever you have on hand - your old-school mortars :) No economy in the world can afford to have this pricy vehicle at a batalliton level - and even if it can - in real war, it's going to be detected quite easily and 1 FPV drone or a kamikaze drone - and it's done.
Findig a traditional 120mm mortar position somewhere in an urban area, or hiding behind the greenline, or firing from improvised dugout that is concealed and masked - is much, much harder target to detect and to hit precisely.
Gotta admit - a very cool weapon system, but given how pricy it can be - it's definitely not a weapon for "big wars", more of a evolution of modern "peace time" military industrial complex with a lot of marketing involved :)
Mjölner Will mainly support the mechanised brigades and deliver support to them once advancing.
I saw the effect of two Mjölner firing during an exercise and it was fast and furious, popped smoke and reversed out to next position.
I do not want to do business on the receiving end of this system 👊🏻
I think Mortars are unsung assets in warfare. The ability to provide suppressive fire can really affect a situation.
Yep. Especially for use in mountainous or hillside or siege warfare. Be cool if the Swedes create a 240mm mortar vehicle.
I think 85% of all casualties in war have been from mortars and artillery.
And 120mm are considered anti armor capable.
@@ginNjus 240mm mortars have no role on the current modern battlefield as there's nothing it can do that a 155mm howitzer or multirole combat aircraft can do quicker, with more reliability accuracy, and with faster follow up shots if the first one doesn't do the trick.
They are plenty sung in all major wars and minor conflicts. Even the IRA used mortars in a customized van in urban areas and fragged a parade.
As a Fin I must say you Sweeds have made absolute beautiful beast with CV90 platform.
@Kimi Timoskainen They are no doubt but they are also different type of platforms.
@Kimi Timoskainen Yeah but I mean Patria is APC platform where CV90 is more of a IFV/Light tank, that means how they can be used is different when it comes to mobility and logistics.
@FaceFish9 No need to say you like CV90. We know that CV90 is a good IFV. Patria is without any doubt a fantastic APC with multiple versions. The only reason that we have ordered 321 of them is because they are awesome.
Sweden is buying Patrias and Finland is buying CV90s 👍🏻
@@petter5721 They indeed are and nemo plus the other (can't remember now) is well made project, fitting each others.
Absolutely beautiful system! This is something that really makes the line Infantry a lot more secure.
or.....unsecure? 🤣🤣
@@donquixote1502 any orc aspiring to invade sure has reason to be insecure and afraid anyway 😉
I do like an insecure orc!
More secure ? Lol ! This tank is just another steel coffin ... I preferred to be in the airforce , so we could fly away ! 😂😎
@@gillesregnery9692 it's not a tank, it's an IFV, it's protected against anything up to 15mm AP on the sides, 30mm apds in the front and it's main job is to carry and support an infantry squad.
If it comes up against tanks, it's job is to either pop smoke and yeet itself into cover and concealment Or, stay vewwy, vewwy quiet and hide to wait until the tanks move on or call down artillery, or wait until its infantry can engage from the side or rear of the tank and then open up on the tank to supress it or finish it off while covering the infantry falling back to mount up.
I love too see how Swedes made so various vehicles on CV90 chasis
Slaps two ADATS tubes on _CV90 lower._
Yea, yea…but does it take Glock Mags? ;-)
@@likydsplit8483 Nope! For that you need the CV90 Commander vehicle Mk2. ( Just kidding)
@@likydsplit8483 the Platoon commanders pistol 88 (Glock17) sidearm does😂
@@SonsOfLorgar tru that. Pistol 88 is a glock after all
Having served with both the old system in Sweden and the new Mjölner I can say that it is a game changer. The speed with which it can maneuver, deploy and redeploy is remarkable.
Range is critical and I'm sure that it doesn't have enough, it's thin armor would make it a sitting duck if spotted by a drone.
@@gumby2241 It's not invulnerable, yes, nothing is. Doesn't mean it isn't a good system still. Drones have also been used on howitzers, so increasing the range isn't going to help anyway. And having some armor is better than no armor
I don’t get the point of just small arms fire protection if it’s normal range is over 5km then what small arms are threatening it? Might as well go back to a mortar truck because anything hitting you from 5km away is not a small arms
@@off6848 It does provide protection from shrapnel, which is a massive threat. But also, you want to be fairly close to the front line, that is not really a line but rather an area. Meaning that there is a fair risk that mortars can come into contact with enemy infantry, making small arms protection a good thing.
@@off6848 It's literally mentioned in the video. The biggest threat by far to any artillery is counter-battery fire from other artillery. Having an armoured platform means you're protected against anything but a direct or very close hit from return fire. Anything else will be stopped by the armour. That shrapnel would shred unprotected infantry otherwise.
As mentioned it's also not impossible for the vehicle to come under small arms fire as the front line is constantly shifting in modern warfare. Forcing the need for anti-tank weapons rather than small arms to knock out the vehicle if they come under fire is a great boon to the protection of the crew until they can reposition.
To use the tried and proven CV90 platform together with the tried and proven 120mm mortar is just so swedish. It is a "safe" idea and it builds on existing logistics so it is comparably affordable. Maybe not the newest or sexiest of concepts but, damn it, it works!
Better 100 of these instead of 20 to 30 of similar but more expensive platforms.
It looks sexy in its own way. It looks quite science fiction
@@warbrain1053 Yes, it looks cool but it is "just" old ideas combine. Ingenious if you ask me.
And further from the front lines, you got Archers. In the skies the roaring sound of democracy and independence from Gripen. It's not a coincidence that the 3 point seatbelt was invented here .
@@skitidetdu6672 The three point seatbelt was not invented here in Sweden. It’s an American invention. It was first implemented here by Volvo though.
CV90 is my favorite platform due to its variants like this. I was aware of this, and thought to myself why on earth would anyone not have battallions of these machines in every nation. Literally artillery on demand wherever you go.
With the GRKPBV 90 (hurray for Swedish defence force abbreviation!) lightning really does strike twice. If there's one thing I would say about the swedish military procurement system that makes it stand out is a pragmatic and solution-oriented mindset. In a short film produced by the army about this vehicle, they describe how they went from contract negotiations with BAE in the fall of 2016, and preproduction vehicles delivered after instructors had been trained in january of 2019(!!). They got a time-frame, a budget and a set of requirements and in less than three years released a cost-effective self-propelled mortar system upon an unsuspecting world, and I think that's very impressive. I mean can you IMAGINE what this thing can do to an armored column, firing those heat-seeking top-attack STRIX rounds?
About that comparison to the Humvee carrying a 105mm howitzer: I think it's a question of operational requirement. The US army expects to fight a lot on big open plains, so they invest in the heaviest armor for their tanks and the punchiest ATGMs for their IFVs and infantry - this also means that howitzers have more utility, as mortars on a big open plain would be more vulnerable to detection, seeing how close to the front they are. The Swedish defence force however operates in heavily forrested terrain, where you can much better hide mortar batteries. That's my theory, anyway
I considered where Ivan (a nickname for Russia) would attack first and it would most likely be middle to north sweden - very rocky/hilly terrain with alot of forest so I'd say you're correct. The northern part holds most of the iron extraction so it would be a prime target. Middle sweden has the capital region.
@@Brakvash not really.
The strategic value of Sweden to Russia isn't our resources, it's the way we are an obstacle to accessing the North Sea from the Baltic sea and the way our country is a key to successfully deny NATO ability to reinforce it's Baltic member states by air or sea.
The main attacks would come towards Gotland, Blekinge as well as southern/western Scania
With secondary attacks towards Stockholm to decapitate the government and press on towards Oslo, and in the North to seize the big hydro power plants, iron mines and press on to Narvik.
(And capturing or asassinating the civilian government won't matter much to the defense efforts as Sweden isn't centrally governed top-down, the constitution doesn't mandate the government to negotiate surrender while under invasion, and the military chains of command and organisation are separate from the civilian government in everything but budget and legislative framework.
Plus the fact that Swedish defense doctrine explicitely advocates flawed initiatives above inaction on every level down to individual soldiers as long as those initiatives are aligned with the intent and purpose of the latest recived orders. And that every soldier manual, the civilian crisis/war booklet and every single public phone book from 1940 until they stopped printing the phone books in 2010, stated: *EVERY MESSAGE SUGGESTING THAT RESISTANCE SHOULD CEASE IS TO BE DISMISSED AS FALSE!*
Logical and probably correct analysis.
look at the map of Sweden about 50% is woods we need another way of defending Sweden then the plains of USA or open deserts in midle easts hens fast deploying weapon systems like archer / mjölner / cv90 platform and so on that can shoot and reallocate in minutes
@@noodlesswe5687
Yes I know, I am a Swede
please stop being so damn awesome, I find my self binging your content in my spare time, by far the best channel I've found this year! Thanks!
I love these kinds of vehicles, especially when they're on existing chassis. Great for parts commonality and logistics, training, and keeping costs down.
I think your reply was the best and most logical of them all including my own. Hopefully we will all get to see more Swedish weapons like this one in action in Ukraine soon. Archer is already on the way and hopefully this system and Grippen Fighters will follow suit.
@@Sugarmountaincondo Are they geting Archers? I'd love to see one of those in real action.
@@Freudlund You replied to the wrong post, I am over here in left field.
I was a mortar gunner back in the day. First with the 81mm which we humped, then the 4.2 inch with the tracked 113, but this system seems awesome. Being able to shot and scoot so quickly means surviving.
From a tactical perspective, I have to believe that this kind of highly mobile 120mm firepower has a place in cavalry maneuver.
Having 2 or 3 of these bad boys moving with small cav/scout units to provide a base of covering fire for both advance and retreat would be perfect.
They are integrated in the CV90 mech inf. & Strv122/CV90 armor batallions with two mortar platoons to each bat. Idk how many Mjölner vehicles to each mortar platoon, but I would guess on 3,
they replace two platoons of 4 towed m1941 mortar pieces each.
@@SonsOfLorgar There are four vehicles per platoon
@@AlexanderTheTiny now that's just an evil level of OP🤣
Yeah, throw in a tank killer and you have a proper mechanised unit that can do some real damage whereever they are. Add to that the global eye system and... well, good night Russia.
When Mjoler is firing a couple of Strix top attack heat seeking grenades it is a fearful weapon against tanks 👍🏻
Dobrý den. jsem z Česka a naše země má nahradit stará BVP sovětské provenience právě za systém CV90. Jak bych byl rád, kdyby neskončilo jenom u BVP, ale kdyby naše armáda nakoupila i tento minometný systém právě pro podporu pěchoty. Celý koncept multifunkčnosti systému CV90 je prostě úžasný.
Sweden makes some cool hardware
Combine that with outside money and things get serious.
@@Fighting_Fatigue_117 is that a weimaraner in your picture?
@@Fighting_Fatigue_117 Historically, when France funded the Swedish war machine, the fundamentals of warfare changed...
3:56 For Granatkastarpansarbandvagn (Grkpbv) 90 (Mjölner) they used the already ordered hulls for the canceled Amos project that been keept in storage and already had the bigger turret ring needed to fit the Mjölner turret... so you cant fit the Mjölner or AMOS turret on a regular CV90 hull, or a regular CV90 turret on a Grkpbv 90 hull without modification.
This inter-operability is the strenght of the CV90 system, and any nation that adopts it on a grand scale would reap the benefits in effective maintenance and logistics. With Sweden hopefully joining NATO this removes a lot of export-paperwork that used to exist. We just needs Turkey to be reasonable.
AMOS is five times more expensive than Mjölner (the weapon system).
This is why Sweden went with Mjölner.
Amos is a bit faster but not that much.
Mjölner can carry more ammunition 😀
The advantage of mortars above artillery is the ability to come straight down on a target and avoid obstructions that a shallower path could stop, so you can use smaller, faster-firing rounds on things like trenches. So naturally, with maneuver warfare being on everyone's mind mortars have been neglected recently, despite Afghanistan showing how useful they are in mountainous and hilly combat theatres. Ukraine is showing how they are still needed and valuable in a near-peer fight.
Former 11C. US Army (Reserve) Mortarman
Yes, these Systems could work exremely well in Ukraine. To bad they had none.
@@maxmauser2613 we will soon see if any are included in the CV90 support package of 50 non specified CV90 vehicles.
It seams to me that those russian 'flame throwers', tos-1? do a rather spectacular job of emptying trenches. Fuel/air bombs are pretty impressive.
@@gumby2241 Great if you like war crimes I suppose.
Okay, I have to admit that I’m in love with this thing!
This seems like a fair balance with a lower price tag than the Amos.
M120 Rak mortar is better than both, cheaper and it has fully automatic turret. Future is in automatic ammo load.
@@albertkowalski5629 Full autoloader, yes, but Rak's turret is manned.
@@olekzajac5948 you can't have autoloader and manned turret 😂
@@albertkowalski5629 What? Why do you think so?
@@albertkowalski5629i love that rak120 is mounted on finnish made patria amv 🇵🇱❤️🇫🇮
its a good way to extend older chassis value and reinforce strategic locations without a massive and expensive foot print
That is what the NL Army will do. There is a MLU program and some turrets will installed on older overhauld CV90 chassis.
Personally I think this is an underrated vic. The amount of pain this thing carries can't be matched by a truck or dismounted troops. The protection is also an excellent reason to get it.
For enemy infantry, this is a real nightmare. A 120, indirect fire mobile platform impressive, nice.
Thank you Matsimus.
The CV90 platform seems to be far more what an IFV range should be - common base for maintenance, multiple specialist variants. Effectively the pinnacle of the SdKfz 250/251 thought, with increased modularity.
The Swedish army is really amazing. Truly small but extremely professional and well equipped.
Not capable for serious war task,swedish mentality is slowed down and not ready to reduce stress in a war situation,equipment is one thing and manpower is another,i know what i,m saying!😉
@@bob8688 weirdly said, not quite sure what you mean, but the swedish army does have a short supply of personnel
one of the highest vehicle to personnel ratios of any armies
It doesnt stand tall in comparison to Finnish army.
@@bob8688Well, you have to start somewhere after dismantling the military for 40 years.
Being on the same chassis as the CV90, this thing can provide indirect fire support the mech infantry in their maneuvers.
I believe wholeheartedly that the Canadian Military would benefit greatly from having this weapon system in its inventory.
Thanks for another great video Matt, a Huge BZ 🍻
i mean itd be cool but itll never happen
The CV90 platform is quite impressive that it can be a light tank, IFV, AA, mortar or a plain APC. Saves lot of logistic and maintenance.
With Sweden donating 50 CV90 to Ukraine, I'm wondering if it won't be a fully equipped battalion for mechanised combat. That includes Grkpbv90 (Mjölner) and Lvkv90 (anti air CV90), driftstöd (in the field maintenance and repair CV90 with mechanics instead of dismounts) etc
The might of Swedish armored doctrine, combined with the Archers, might be on complete display.
Gå På Marsch, Framåt!!!
We can only hope!
This will take a lot of time
How do you maintain these in the field? Shipping back to sweden when something breaks is going to hurt. I also question what ammo it uses, I doubt if it's nato standard, but I could be wrong.
How you maintain them? With equipment and personnel on sight obviously 😂
And its ordinary mortars, using ordinary ammo. Completely interoperable with anything in the NATO arsenal.
This was one of the silliest posts I've seen on RUclips in a long time 😂
@@gumby2241 Scryffy is right, and on top of it many Nato countries has CV90 which Mjölnir is based on, it is a CV90 with a Mortar turret basically :)
BAE Systems has built a lot of excellent platforms lately
Swedish steel never fails to amaze since forever ^^
I was an artilleryman and spent 3+ years at Ft Sill. So many of the abilities that Ukraine has demonstrated are the natural progression of doctrine and technology we were testing then.
Think your assessment of the benefits of this weapon correct.
The crew of the weapon system can accomplish a great deal of the maintenance, and can testify to the proficiency a well-trained gun crew. I understand fire-support and the tools available now insures that artillery will remain "King of Battle" for the foreseeable future.
Damn, not gonna lie, this vehicle gives me Warhammer 40k vibes. and that name, "Mjölner, sounds like something the space wolves would come up with.
It's the name of Thor's hammer.
Mjölner sounds like a WW2 german tank or tank destroyer
Well Mjölner is Mjolnir in Swedish
@@meanmanturbo Nej. Mjölner är Mjölner på Svenska. Försök inte 🐂💩 oss.
@@tomeng9520 Ha, ja min mening funkar att läsa åt båda hållen när jag tänker efter, så man kan ju tolka den som du gjorde.
I'm proud to be Swedish, we have so many talented people who work on developing good and smart weapon systems. 🇸🇪 thanks for a good program 👍👋
It's just sad that the world we have made as a species has so much intolerance and greed that this creativity and geniality has to be dedicated to weapons design instead of something like disability aids, space exploration, clean power etc.
I'm just as proud as you of our industrial engineers, and of my comrades in the Home guard, the contracted regulars and the teenage conscripts who accepts the duty and oath to keep the friends, family and people living in our country safe and free to be ourselves as each of us see fit.
I just wish that some day, that an armed defence force won't be needed to safeguard from threats posed by others of our own species.
swede norwegian and danish on my mom's side (don't ask its a long story) but i was born in the USA
Well, I'm Finn, Amos is fabulous, but apparently too over priced to be counted as succesful as they only ever build like 20 units. Some USA firm bought licence for manufacturing, but not sure if they made any.
Mjölnir is also probably too expensive to be succesful. Great consept still.
@@SonsOfLorgar 👍🥰🙋🏼♂️
@@pekkavaisanen5512 👍🥰🙋🏼♂️
The mechanized/armored battalions used to have 10,5cm howitzer 4140 as their integrated artillery but in the 1990's when the 12cm STRIX top attack smart anti armor mortar round came into service this was seen as such an asset the 10,5cm howitzers where switched to 12cm mortars.
In the current organisation all maneuver battalions have two mortar platoons in their command companies and in the mechanized/armored battalions those are two platooms of Mjölnir vehicles.
All platoons have 4 mortars or 4 Mjälnir giving a total of eight per battalion.
So far 40 Mjölnir has been delivered and 40 more are on order which will cover the 10 Armored/Mechanized battalions of the 2020 defence decition.
This is the future of mobile infantry. I love it. This Is perfect to network into your combat computer systems too. Upgradable tied to observation drones, command centers etc. you are right on target. “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.”
4:52 personally i like the idea of an otomatic 76 but in an indirect fire role yes the 76 mm is a smaller round but when you are firing that many of them in that short of a time frame and if you are mrsi to the mix i imagine you have an effect on target not dissimilar to a cluster bomb as 76mm shells come raining down and air bursting
Issue is the size and logistics.
76mm is too light for artillery
@@AdurianJ not exactly. They're perfect for soft skinned targets
@@reginaldpasao8390 But only for that it's not light enough to damage fieldworks that was discovered all the way back in WW1 you need at least 10,5cm when it comes to artillery.
A 12cm mortar is both less expensive less complicated and has a bigger payload than the 76mm
@@AdurianJ lol tell that to the french lol
I was the first to use cv 90 outside sweden. LIBERIA 2004,, lovely, but mjölner was new for me, great video soldier
Everything so clean/smooth and well engineered. Eastern tech will never reach this level
As a Scout in the U.S. Army for a decade and a half the 120mm mortars were our first go to fire support...another advantage of a mortar is you can drop rounds on and cover the back side of a hill and completely cover that area. I moved to a Stryker Brigade in 2002 and we had 2 mortar Strykers in each Cavalry Troop
The amount of Motors rounds it can carry and rate of fire with the Accuracy it will not suffer from the typical motor tube movement with every shot. This system will become a largely standard part of every army in one format, weather it be a new system built or buying these from other countries. Theses are amazing pieces of military equipment.
I like the whole CV90 platform concept, seems multiple countries are building on it. Once available, this monster sounds as an interesting agile platform
This kind of closer range artillery system is absolutely the future
The stability of a mortar is very important, the portable base mortars can move around between shots, making it almost impossible to successfully correct the following shots ..
Ours used to get deeper into the ground with every shot coz we were in a coastal training area
The nice thing is the nibble way it could move with the Infantry without the need to pack up when the Infantry is moving on an attack.
Definitely a nice bit of kit👍
"mom, can i have a patria Amos mortar system?"
"No we have Amos at home"
the mortar at home: Mjölner
lol bravo!
Mjölner does’nt mean Thors hammer. It’s the name of Thors hammer.
Some late night indirect fire stuff....glad I didn't go to sleep yet!
Mjolner mortars for close, hilly terrain, and Hawkeye 105 for a little more range on plain terrain.
Again, awesome vid! 👌👍💪🔥♥️
A very interesting video about a piece of equipment I did not know had been developed, so Kudo's to you for posting and the Swede's for developing it. I could see it's usage as a very good support weapon for any advancing armored column without infantry leaving the safety of their APC's in order to "setup traditional mortar's" to support an infantry attack. I can also see the benefit of the plunging fire effect this system would have in an urban or hilly environment replacing the STG direct fire support systems or at least enhancing a commander's options and not having to rely on longer range field arty.
Sweden commands my respect for always producing the highest quality of weapons and systems and maybe if Sweden donates "a few" of these for use in Ukraine like they are doing with the Archer SPG system and positive battlefield reports come back from their usage, maybe then the orders will start to roll into BAE from other Nations and BAE could firer back up it's production line and make a big profits score. Just off the top of my head I can think of 10-Countries that would benefit from having this system in their arsenal.
Just build the mortar into an old apc...
Important option and well described. Thanks so much for your excellent, grammar, diction and syntax. Very few narrators these days do so well. On the contrary, many are utterly incapable of pronouncing and emphasizing English correctly. Good work!
I’m surprised this type of vehicle hasn’t been made already. Game changer for sure
It has.
It has been. Polish army uses a domestically designed self propelled turreted mortar.
This looks like something straight out of Warhammer 40'000.
Nicer looking wyvern
Astra militarum would be proud.
But not of his try to say, granatkastarbandvagn... 😆
@@nahiag Well i think they can pronounce Rowboat Girlymans name correct, so they should be fine.
Seems like something that would decimate a fortified position or a mechanized push if it got into range.
I don't think one should underestimate what a closed system can do for crew comfort in what can be freezing conditions either.
Yes in the arctic north of Sweden this is worth a lot at -35 C and it is fast with great terrain capability!
Granatkastarpansarbandvagn 90. Granat=granade, kastar=thrower, granatkastar=granade thrower (mortar). Pansar=armor, band=track, vagn=vehicle, pansarbandvagn=armored tracked vehicle. Granatkastarpansarbandvagn= mortar armored tracked vehicle.. No wonder we love abbreviations like GrkPbv....
@@JKS_Crafting Just the swedes being wizards, they're casting fireball
Wow! So cool, I had no idea that these systems exist. Ima go check out your other videos related to these weapons. A treat for sure, thanks! 😉
BAE must love you Matt, with your sincere and credible positive reviews
I am with you on this. Once it's realized how handy, how effective these things are, they will be actually worn-out from over use. Their speed & unique style of heavy fire power, will be the difference between tactical victory & defeat. Between lives lost & lives saved to fight another day. Really, some people don't get that?
And the same topic, France has developed the Griffon MEPAC. It is equipped with a 120mm cannon and can engage targets at 15Km. The cadence is 10 strokes per minute and the vehicle speed is 100KM.
Very nice vidéo, thx !
I just read that the Swedish Armed forces ordered an additional 20 units as of January 27, based on what they have seen in Ukraine.
The Dutch army has ordered 20pcs of the Mjolner now!
Sweden have 80pcs of this system soon.
I really hope the US Army adopts these or something like them for their Mech Infantry and Armored Brigades. I agree the days of setting up mortar pits are going the way of the dinosaurs.
They look good for the cav espeically
They are evaluating Patria NEMO-system- Also "kind of" derivative of over engineered and expensive AMOS
Sweden seems to spend little and develop great kit that gets in service and is useful. Britain spends shedloads on developing kit that's late and often questionable... When I first saw this I was wondering what the point is and whether you wouldn't be better off having a mobile piece of artilery backing you up instead. But I think that although its a bit niche having a mortar on the same chassis as your IFV gives you quick fire support when it's needed and being in a vehicle means you can carry your ammunition with you (and go back to restock) being much more mobile and likely effective than a normal mortar team.
"better off having a mobile piece of artilery backing you up instead."
Artillery is typically a higher unit (battalion, brigade) asset, while mortars support platoons and companies. at relatively close range.
The battalion commanders pocket artillery which he uses to reach out and touch somebody! Especially on the reverse slope and behind the buildings!
An excellent video, echoing my feelings exactly. Right down to the superb CV90. However, AMOS is such a sexy weapons system. I want one for rabbit control duties!
How tf did the CV90 not get short listed for the Australian army's tender? As if its more exepensive than the Lynx...
So happy you got the invitation to Haegglunds, hope you enjoyed it as much as that huge grin suggested.
Mjoelner is a name that rightfully belongs to the Bombkapsel 90... which were scrapped as being a cluster-weapon in spite of the electrical fuzes producing no duds.
Mortars maybe isnt that cool to invest in. But this is extremely much bang for the buck.
That Humvee towed mortar system looks really cumbersome and slow to handle compared to the towed old (entered service in Sweden in 1941) Finnish made 120mm mortars that the Mjölner replaced.
I thought the same. Looks worse in every respect than a regular towed mortar.
Really interesting. Good content, depth, insight. Thanks for your work
Modularity seems to be the name of the game for modern militaries. The Boxer being ordered by so many european nations and the CV90 platform are testament to that.
Would love to see Swedish Forces added into squad. To experience the mayhem this beast can do.
Yes, We can only hope
As a former former observer, I love the idea of this weapon system. Always loved the "One-twenties"
I've used the Amos in the Russian game app Wild Tanks. Before sanctions and the invasion killed the game. It's fire power is second to none and shoot and scoot is very fast. It was a blast and I survived many battles in it.
Sweden produces the world's scariest explosive-based weapons. I've operated and trained with all versions of the M136 AT4 including the new CS variant, and good ol' Charlie G.
Remember that Sweden is the only country in the world that have beaten Russia in war. Twice. Karl XII holl pa gnaget.
The current score between Sweden and Russia is 7-3 to Sweden.
The Central powers defeated Russia in World War 1. It had to sign a humiliating peace treaty. The Golden Horde has beaten Russia again and again and again.
You are a legend as always Buddy!!! Killer Video
a great way to make the earliest Mk 0 and Mk 1 hulls an affordable and still a highly effective asset. the latest CV90 fighting variants have gotten heavy with both inbuilt armor and electronics. this beast just needs a datalink in the turret and its good to go
The datalink is already in the Grkpbv, it's required for the ballistics computer.
The more I read about the modularity of the CV90 family is why I started to love it.
I like it! Simple, reliable, highly mobile and devastating against infantry/light vehicles. Very useful as an adjunct to artillery and close air support.
Sweden consistently exceeds expectation and yet remains in the background. I understand that countries expect their defense industries to supply their requirements, but Sweden consistently tops them all.
I think one reason Swedes come up with these nice toys, is that they don't have a lot of manpower in their military.
So they cannot afford to throw people at the problem.
So the machines needs to be better, to address this problem - and that is how innovations happen.
The CV90 program started out in the 80's when Sweden still had the cold war total defense structure.
That meant:
-Quick mobilization: 100.000 home guard units within hours.
-Full mobilization: 1.000.000 personnel within two weeks.
-Deep reserve: An additional 1.000.000 men.
From a population of 8 million.
@@Merecir - yes, but still, working smarter, not harder, is the way.
@@Mosern1977 The reason Sweden makes good stuff is because we see no reason why we would make anything that is worse than what already exists...
A prime example is when Sweden were looking to get a new tank to replace the S-tank. Swedish companies made the Strv2000 prototype, but since the cold war had ended it was deemed more economical to just buy the license for the Leopard 2. (And build them in Sweden)
I guess the AMOS wasn't enough? This is absolutely ridiculous and I love it!
I would have loved to have seen all 3 vehicles fire simultaneously! And the blast at impact! 6 120mm shells detonating simultaneously on a single target.
That´s a pain for the target spotter. "Damn i know there was a target here just before the explosion, but i can´t find it!!" lol
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 lol!
Though the most common mortar round used by Swedish 120mm mortars is a tripple mode fuse default set to air burst with impact and delayed impact burst as alternatives. Delayed impact is for urban/dug in targets protected by tin, tile or log and sandbag roofs.
Just on aesthetics, that thing LOOKS cool AF.
How do they deal with a hang-fire? Is the breechplate removable?
I hope your channel grows to a point that you can make it a living. Hopefully you will get in a position to speak your real opinion. I was in the US Air Force so I know the pain you are going through.
The German weasel mortar system is also quite nice
"Shoot and scoot is the future of indirect fire". Coupled with drones, absolutely devistating.
What many don't think about is that this will be much more accurate since it has computers and stuff inside the vehicle. The aming is probably all done automatically by computers.
With an old school mortar setup it must take ages to calculate everything and set it up properly. So this is a huge advantage. But this is what makes it beeing able to shoot and scoot so fast, like the Archer.
The FH77 Howitzers that Sweden fielded in 1978 were guided by computers. So you can bet these are as well...
This is a really beautiful system. I hope we can see this system being adapted to but on patrol boats and terrain vehicles
there is or was an ongoing test to mount a mortar system on CB90
US Army is already testing Patria 120mm NEMO for their Strykers, OMFV and AMPV. This could also be installed by BvS10 Beowulf CATV that US Army just picked. Patria NEMO 120mm mortar is used by a lot of countries.
Can the turret be equipped on the Nissan sentra platform? would be very handy for plinking especially when 22lr gets impossible to find.
Biggest concern might be, in case of counterfire that the loading tubes might get bent while exposed, leaving it unable to fire
Fair point, but I would assume that there would be a protocol (if possible) for quick removal of damaged loaders to allow for direct manual loading. Wouldn't be a fun place to be under a counter-battery barrage, but it would mean the vehicle could keep putting rounds down-range.
Plus, the main defense from counterfire for this thing appears to be being long-gone by the time it arrives (shoot-and-scoot). Having your return fire land in under a minute from the first mortar being launched is quite a tall order. I recall hearing that the Russian average in Ukraine was 8 minutes, though that was a few months back (mind you, things don't seem to be improving for Putin).
This mortar system should be adapted by ALL NATO countries! It's awsome!
It looks like the swedish has created a new godly weapon.
CV90 is such an amazing platform. It's a shame we can't donate some to Ukraine but we only have 60 of them (20 more on order).
Swedish government actually approved to donate 50 CV9040 to Ukraine, will be much interesting to see how it performes against an enemy it was built to defeat from the beginning.
@@andreguve3988 Indeed. It's seen some action in Afghanistan but I have no idea if the taliban even fired back on the vehicles..
@@FXGreggan. The Taliban did engage Swedish CV9040Cs directly in Afghanistan during ambushes, after the first couple of engagements they simply gave up all forms of direct attack on convoys and units that had CV90 support. The 3P rounds with programmed fuses proved absolutely devastating and made much cover useless with their airbursts.
@@Vonstab I imagine the greatest threat to the CV9040Cs in Afghanistan would be crew compartment aircondition failiure 🥵🤣
Where did you get the number 60? When I checked it said we have 549 CV90's. Which might be the reason why we have 50 of them that we can send to Ukraine.
The Swedish Army ordered 20 more in 2022, and just a couple of days ago, 20 more. 80 in total when delivered.
Other NATO Members should have a Look on this Systems too. Espacially those alredy operating CV90 IFV's.
I was in the USAMRY and it is a good design. I'd Order these vechiles for my troops.