Is Gininda saying both Accused number 1 and 2 killed Senzo? And what is accused 3,4 and 5 doing in court everyday since 1and 3already admitted to killing Senzo
It may be that they were present okay the scene. In terms of CPA,if they were there with Accused 1 and 2,they can be charged with murder even if they have not pulled the trigger
In law there is what is called ...doctrine of common purpose e.g Person X,Y,Z plan to commit a crime but only Z commit it. All 3 will be charged for conspiracy to commit that crime
If he confessed before the 17 hours in a van, it's hard to believe a person who would have just made the job easier for police would be treated that way. If he confessed after the 17 hours inside a van, it's hard to believe that he would proceed to freely and voluntarily confess after such a treatment. It's unbelievable either way.
@@sibusisosithole1982 Your belief that he was treated as a VIP is subjective as it is a matter of Police's word against the accused's. The standard way of avoiding subjective beliefs is to go with facts and objective claims. What we factually know is he was in a van for 17 hours. The question then becomes, will an average person enjoy mostly sitting in a van for 17 hours driving around in one province? it's interesting that you think KFC makes a difference
This is the same Gininda who is known of denying the same allegations levelled against him of torturing and coercing 'suspects' back in 2014. Today, he is back to the court for the same allegations.
@@xolanimtshali2151 believe me. He is going to crack when faced with tough questions from the defence. There are already some loopholes in his evidence
@tiisetsomoholo-gh8yb this is not the 1st Gininda case he has a lot that he has dealt with the mere fact that you guys want the accused to win don't push the agenda allow the proceeding to come to an end and let the judge do his work It makes me wonder what makes you think he is going to Crack so far the guy has been answering all the questions accordingly or its just your wish for you for him to fail, you are like a Chiefs man wanting to win over Sundowns desperately but knowing very well that Sundowns will beat you
If you listen to this guy,Ntanzi said he was at work then they found out that he was nothing there on that day,after that Ntanzi saw that the lies are not working(as per Gininda)so he decided to tell the truth about the death of Mr Meyiwa,then my questin is when did Ntanzi brought another alibi of Nongoma when Gininda say he confessed at the gate of his work?
Let's make it interesting...where were you on the 14th Oct 2014 when Senzo Meyiwa was killed? As for me I don't know and I don't remember where was I 😂
@@paballobutelezi5532 You won't remember coz what you did that day wasn't evil, dangerous or interesting. You can't even remember what you did two weeks back.
@@tonybosvark325is my darling 2 weeks back, interesting thing I did, I went to Simons Town to look at the penguins and a day before took my babies to the top of Table Mountain so interesting things I do remember as for evil yes. My point was if I am to be asked of something I did 6 years back on this day it will be hard to remember
Do you think we'll experienced accused like these ones will just confess to killings? Lot of money was used here, even inyanga is unable to help them though in this case
Gininda is a son of devil he is cruel as long as you pay him money he will do what ever it takes to throw you under the bus do he know that he even risking with his career
@@beewest5704I agree with you. The state here decided to go for the weak first, to test the waters. When they brought evidence of the link between accused number 5 and Kelly they were being tactical. They are doing what the state did with Shabir Shaik. They want to win against the tadpoles to go for bigger fish
You don't know what you are talking about, I am sure you have not even investigate a chips theft case, you know nothing pertaining to cases and testimonies
The funny part on Mjiyako is that Ntanzi told the Miss Cronje that he want to bath and call his family while he is represented by Mjiyako,and this Mjiyako never said anything on that interview,so what was the use of Mjiyako?
I think GININDA used the MJIYAKO'S name and Logo, but the gentleman who was representing the accused was a POLICEMAN in suit and briefcase turned Ĺawyer, That's why BALOYI engamfuni e Court, he knows the story.
Just because you have not dealt with any case, you are not a police officer that is why you are talking like this obviously you have made up your mind even before Gininda took the stand Anyways you will be very disappointed because your 5 friends will be prosecuted
This lady investigator who so happens to just get confessions from both accused 1and 2 is crazy if she thinks we gonna believe that as well her colleagues
IT IS SIMPLE: WAS THE CONFESSION TAKEN FREELY IN PRESENCE OF A LAWTER? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, SHOW WHERE ALL PARTS SIGNED IT, SPECIALLY THE ACCUSED ACKNOWLEDGING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE ACTION. WITH REGARDS OF NOT BEING AT WORK IT COULD JUST BE A MISTAKE AS THE ACCUSED CANNOT REMEMBER AFTER QUITE LONG TIME.
You guys who are in defense team you requested all these documents they were provided but you still went to ask for audio, bank statements and AVL it was provided what more do you guys now, you are delaying the case Senzo Meyiwa family want a closure on this matter while you guys have time to play
YOU ARE RIGTH BUT THE LAW ALLOWS THIS STRATEGY TO DELAY THE TRIAL. FURTHERMORE, THIS JUDGE IS VERY EXPERIENCED AND FAIR, SO WILL ALLOW THE DEFENSE TO EXPLOTE ALL THEIR WEAPONS.@@xolanimtshali2151
Ppl are just so naive to think someone can beat 2 falls charges of possession and then voluntarily confess to a charge that carries a life sentence...u either dumb or very dumb if u blv it was voluntarily
We are told Ntanzi made admissions on the same day he was arrested but then he made alibis that he was at work on the day of the murder,and he claimed that he was in Nongoma.
Is Gininda saying both Accused number 1 and 2 killed Senzo? And what is accused 3,4 and 5 doing in court everyday since 1and 3already admitted to killing Senzo
It may be that they were present okay the scene. In terms of CPA,if they were there with Accused 1 and 2,they can be charged with murder even if they have not pulled the trigger
Majiga you need to understand why we had to have the trial within the trial then you will be answered
Strange very strange 😊
@@xolanimtshali2151 yaa maybe , because I just started following this trial recently
In law there is what is called ...doctrine of common purpose e.g Person X,Y,Z plan to commit a crime but only Z commit it. All 3 will be charged for conspiracy to commit that crime
Chriselda Lewis, thanks for outstanding reporting,if feels like we are in court daily❤🙏
If he confessed before the 17 hours in a van, it's hard to believe a person who would have just made the job easier for police would be treated that way. If he confessed after the 17 hours inside a van, it's hard to believe that he would proceed to freely and voluntarily confess after such a treatment. It's unbelievable either way.
How was he treated? Coz I believe he was given VIP treatment given that they even bought food for him. He even brag about his dancing skills
@@sibusisosithole1982 Your belief that he was treated as a VIP is subjective as it is a matter of Police's word against the accused's. The standard way of avoiding subjective beliefs is to go with facts and objective claims. What we factually know is he was in a van for 17 hours. The question then becomes, will an average person enjoy mostly sitting in a van for 17 hours driving around in one province? it's interesting that you think KFC makes a difference
Lets unite in fighting the crime that is being done by our police guys we need to stand together for the Truth abenzi bobubi kumele baboshwe ✌🏽✌🏽
You talking like that because you have not dealt with crime, you do not know what our police are going through
Ntanzi clocked inn for only 2 hrs then he went AWOL..let them proof to the courts where they were on that fateful night..
@@joerathokolo5106 but are you aware that Longwe's alibi was right at the crime scene why Gininda is not taking that into consideration
This is the same Gininda who is known of denying the same allegations levelled against him of torturing and coercing 'suspects' back in 2014. Today, he is back to the court for the same allegations.
I don't understand why Gininda still working at SAPS
My point exactly haii Ginida ke devil hlee iyo
Guys you think Gininda is just a soft girl???? Gininda knows his work
@@xolanimtshali2151 believe me. He is going to crack when faced with tough questions from the defence. There are already some loopholes in his evidence
@tiisetsomoholo-gh8yb this is not the 1st Gininda case he has a lot that he has dealt with the mere fact that you guys want the accused to win don't push the agenda allow the proceeding to come to an end and let the judge do his work
It makes me wonder what makes you think he is going to Crack so far the guy has been answering all the questions accordingly or its just your wish for you for him to fail, you are like a Chiefs man wanting to win over Sundowns desperately but knowing very well that Sundowns will beat you
This man is still stuck in this old lies of confections 😮 unedibindi emkhulu kangaka
It is amazing that you can ask someone to remember of where he was in 2014
But the same officers can't remember what happened 3 years ago
Relieved my foot why are they so angry about this whole case if they confess out of their free will?
These are izinkabi they know how to do away with certain crimes
Even Gininda himself cannot remember what he was doing on 26 October 2017, 6 years ago. So why would Ntanzi remember that?
If you listen to this guy,Ntanzi said he was at work then they found out that he was nothing there on that day,after that Ntanzi saw that the lies are not working(as per Gininda)so he decided to tell the truth about the death of Mr Meyiwa,then my questin is when did Ntanzi brought another alibi of Nongoma when Gininda say he confessed at the gate of his work?
Let's make it interesting...where were you on the 14th Oct 2014 when Senzo Meyiwa was killed? As for me I don't know and I don't remember where was I 😂
@@paballobutelezi5532 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@paballobutelezi5532Those who killed him will know. If you can't remember, we take the other party's version.
@@paballobutelezi5532 You won't remember coz what you did that day wasn't evil, dangerous or interesting.
You can't even remember what you did two weeks back.
@@tonybosvark325is my darling 2 weeks back, interesting thing I did, I went to Simons Town to look at the penguins and a day before took my babies to the top of Table Mountain so interesting things I do remember as for evil yes. My point was if I am to be asked of something I did 6 years back on this day it will be hard to remember
Guys akekho nje umuntu owake wabiza amaphoyisa ezovuma icala, story lesi😂😂😂
Do you think we'll experienced accused like these ones will just confess to killings? Lot of money was used here, even inyanga is unable to help them though in this case
How can he tell them about an alibi and confess at the same time? Gininda are you listening to yourself?
He said that Ntanzi only confessed after both of his alibis were proven untrue
It doesn't matter when the incident if is true you will always remember that incident.so this accused a liars
Obviously Gininda wont confess that they assaulted the accused...no one will ever...poor them
Gininda is a son of devil he is cruel as long as you pay him money he will do what ever it takes to throw you under the bus do he know that he even risking with his career
I just felt sorry accused 1 and 2, that's all I can say.
Cameras in interrogation rooms and body cams ...A MUST IN SA
My Lord my Lord we want to hear the truth not story.
Accused being abused by SAPS,NPA,Justice(court) and correctional service while Kelly and Longwe are protected and their alibi was at the crime scene
Let's hear the confessions. Someone hired them. Let them talk we want the mastermind.
@@beewest5704no mastermind these guys are innocent in this case
If mastermind was there she/he would be arrested by now
@@beewest5704I agree with you. The state here decided to go for the weak first, to test the waters. When they brought evidence of the link between accused number 5 and Kelly they were being tactical. They are doing what the state did with Shabir Shaik. They want to win against the tadpoles to go for bigger fish
@@beewest5704 there is no mastermind,there was no intruders in that house
So far is 10/10 for Gininda let the accused proof they are innocent. Bloody killers of KZN
Gininda is a great,fluent liar
You don't know what you are talking about, I am sure you have not even investigate a chips theft case, you know nothing pertaining to cases and testimonies
If Ratha is claiming akasiyo Ibhari then he should deal with this Mafia yoGininda
Iam shocked why the defense lawyers are not asking a simple question to Gininda,You can not expect Ntanzi to know his alibis after six years.
But he remembered the names of cops and what happened?
The funny part on Mjiyako is that Ntanzi told the Miss Cronje that he want to bath and call his family while he is represented by Mjiyako,and this Mjiyako never said anything on that interview,so what was the use of Mjiyako?
You can find out that Mjiyako and his client 😊
I think GININDA used the MJIYAKO'S name and Logo, but the gentleman who was representing the accused was a POLICEMAN in suit and briefcase turned Ĺawyer, That's why BALOYI engamfuni e Court, he knows the story.
You know what these people are taking us for granted. They think they are smart. The truth is the truth and it will prevail in the end and they'll pay
Kazi zanoni izingane zabantu we Ginida😢
Even my youngest daughter wouldn't ask that kind of question, if you get time I will my daughter to unpack the case for you😊
Gininda is a liar of first degree
Just because you have not dealt with any case, you are not a police officer that is why you are talking like this obviously you have made up your mind even before Gininda took the stand
Anyways you will be very disappointed because your 5 friends will be prosecuted
A confident 1 indeed!
@xolanimtshali2151 They're already being prosecuted. They'll be convicted and sentenced.
Poor Senzo jooo...... I don't understand why Kelly doest come forward and tell the court what real happened that day
GININDA was given a QUESTIONNAIRE by BALOYI no wonder he is singing
The strange thing is that the second alibi was only confirmed during this trail that is strange.
Me too I am confused about this second alibi coz Ntanzi confessed freely mos so why second ilibi after that?
@@pumzilesiyokwana9786 He confessed after he realised they were no alibi.
So these prisoners doesn't go for Tea time too?
Untazi uyakubuka ngathi ucabanga ukukuthutha ngesibhskela
Gininda is lying and contradicting Mogane who said they moved from a conference room in PTA to caltonville.
A calm liar
Another my lot .....keep on singing
This lady investigator who so happens to just get confessions from both accused 1and 2 is crazy if she thinks we gonna believe that as well her colleagues
Ugininda funa nyuselwa bengumshushisi baloyi bengumy Lot
IT IS SIMPLE: WAS THE CONFESSION TAKEN FREELY IN PRESENCE OF A LAWTER? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, SHOW WHERE ALL PARTS SIGNED IT, SPECIALLY THE ACCUSED ACKNOWLEDGING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE ACTION. WITH REGARDS OF NOT BEING AT WORK IT COULD JUST BE A MISTAKE AS THE ACCUSED CANNOT REMEMBER AFTER QUITE LONG TIME.
You guys who are in defense team you requested all these documents they were provided but you still went to ask for audio, bank statements and AVL it was provided what more do you guys now, you are delaying the case
Senzo Meyiwa family want a closure on this matter while you guys have time to play
YOU ARE RIGTH BUT THE LAW ALLOWS THIS STRATEGY TO DELAY THE TRIAL. FURTHERMORE, THIS JUDGE IS VERY EXPERIENCED AND FAIR, SO WILL ALLOW THE DEFENSE TO EXPLOTE ALL THEIR WEAPONS.@@xolanimtshali2151
Biggest liar....Gininda🤞
Ooh voluntary testify, then give alibi
He only confessed after his alibi fall flat and if u listened to today proceedings you can then conclude that he tried to make a deal with the state
Great pick up my brother, why wud a accuse give a alibi after admitting to the murder? Does this make sense? Gininda just dropped the ball.
Ppl are just so naive to think someone can beat 2 falls charges of possession and then voluntarily confess to a charge that carries a life sentence...u either dumb or very dumb if u blv it was voluntarily
@@victorvertuin3942You got the order wrong.
" professianal story narrator" lies 😢
We are told Ntanzi made admissions on the same day he was arrested but then he made alibis that he was at work on the day of the murder,and he claimed that he was in Nongoma.
Unamanga wenja ubhizi uyakhokotha
Engabe iyozala nkomoni
Wena ginindq ukhuluma amasimba
There are people called inkabi(hitmen), let me stop there for now
But big fish it's save 😊
Ntanzis lies are so stupid ,how can you deny knowing someone who represented you in court,its as stupid as when ge denied knowing Sibiya
You can say that again. If its the stragedy of his Advocate,then its so disgusting to say the least
😢
Ulixoki lo gininda ngumpheki wamatyala awaxove
You guys i give up on you .. everything to you it's a lie