Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ (Genesis Apologetics response)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2020
- The Bible records five miraculous events occurred at the Crucifixion of Christ: 3 hours of darkness, an earthquake, the temple veil tearing in half, graves opening and the dead being raised to life, and the conversion of the Roman Centurion and his guards.
Did they occur, or was they perhaps meant as portents... a literary device by the gospel writers? What's the evidence?
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- the as-the-crow-flies distance between Jerusalem and Nicaea is 1079km (670 miles) as shown on screen. Google maps reports a 1000+ mile distance, but that's by land. I mistakenly said miles instead of km.
- I was joking about wrestler Steve Austin. Creationist Steven A Austin is a different person. Sorry if that confused anyone.
I realized the joke after a few seconds because I am not familiar with the creationist but if I was I think it would have been a lot more obvious.
I would be surprised if many people where left confused for much longer than my ignorant self. Lol
Yeah, Stone-cold Steve was much more credible without the toupee.
It was nice to see you on the atheist experience
Yes, Stone Cold Steve Austin is the pro wrestler. Steve Austin is the six million dollar man. ;)
Exactly. Land speed is one thing, but when navigating is A WHOLE DIFFERENT ball GAME airspeed, knots, nautical miles can be way way more in terms of energy time etc needed
When folks use the phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", I don't think extraordinarily bad evidence is what they have in mind.
Mindblow! Is this misconception the actual reason why apolegetics looks the way it does?
@@amurape5497 Sadly, I suspect the reason apologetics is the way it is, is because they have an audience inclined to believe based on poor arguments and evidence. That and they have to work with what they're given. Which doesn't look impressive from my perspective.
If their audience didn't grant credence to this sort of arguments, that sort of apologist wouldn't stay around long.
A little while back I came across an apologist who seemed relatively logical and rational. Until he stated the Kalaam and teleological arguments to be good arguments for the existence of God.
@@stevewebber707 good point. What I wrote was mostly sarcastic.
@@amurape5497 Yep, I saw the facetious nature, but I'm a literal minded pedantic fool.
Claims require evidence. That is all. The adjective "extraordinary" is not part of the scientific lexicon.
"The graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many people" ... Definitely just a figure of speech. I use that one all the time.
@The Thyme Cube While the modern usage of the word "saint" refers to canonization by the Catholic Church, the Bible itself uses it multiple times to mean anyone who was worthy of respect, from prophets to simple believers. It comes from the Greek "ἅγιος" (holy) -> Latin "sanctus" -> English "saint ".
If people back then had a habit of telling tall tales about important events with a common understanding that the crazy events weren't expected to have necessarily truly happened, then that was a very annoying habit. How could anyone keep track of what really happened versus what did not happen? Maybe they just didn't care about truth because their lives focused entirely around religion. They just wanted people to worship Jesus at any cost, and if a lie might help with that then a lie was a trivial price to pay.
@@Ansatz66 as societies were still 90 or 95% agricultural with 6 or 7 (lifestock cannot go a day completely without care even if you take SOME time away of the day to "praise god") bonebreaking days of hard work for up to 16 or 18 hours, i'm not sure "has it really happened that way" was high in the people's minds, it wouldn't actually change their monotonous and lifelong experience in a big way...
Well, if there were an earthquake, and it rolled away the rocks sealing some hillside tombs, and then the bones in the tombs were thrown around, you might use the figure of speech that the bodies were dancing. And then the tale got exaggerated in the telling.
What a pity there is no record outside of the bible of an earthquake in that area in that timeframe. Makes it seem like they stole the story of an earthquake elsewhere/elsewhen to spice up their story. Makes you wonder why you should believe any of that made-up shit.
Whatever happened to these Zombies? What were they looking for in the city ? did they form a rock & roll band ?
Did they ever go back to their graves ? Who reburied them? Did they become actors in the movies like "Night Of the Living Dead" or TV shows like" The Walking Dead"? God only knows, Amen.
The apologists HATE IT when you use the "For the Bible Tells Me So" graphic and music!!
that is why it should never go away @Scott Duke.
And it's THEIR child indoctrination method... how could it be WRONG to use it for a good cause?
I'm an apologist and I like it, it's cute and funny. 🤭
@@autobotstarscream765 I find it cute and funny that you find it cute and funny.. apologies
It’s become legendary, iconic. Never replace or displace it.
The significant event that shoved Christianity into every roman and banned every other religion: The Edict of Thessalonica by Theodosius I
There. You do not need more miracles than that, and it was not a miracle, but more like an emperor's whim.
in the year 380.
I checked out your channel. Some good playlists. Congrats!
Yeah, but god got into his mind. He made him decree it. D’uh!
Don’t you understand science?
@@rickb.4168 I laughed at this absolutely believing the spirit of it is parody. I hope I'm right, or I may laugh harder ;-)
@@rickb.4168 Athiests don't understand how God works in mysterious ways. 😆
@@galacticbob1 so god is like U2?
“Hey look! This source that uses the Bible says that what the Bible says happened!”
This provided the necessary proof that ..... proof that ... _people can at least copy what they have just read about in the Bible!_ 🤣
It must have been a divine copying _miracle_ that proves that the Bible is literally true!!! 🤣
Wait, if i use that logic in any other book... holy shit you guys! That means there really is a murderous magic clown called 'it'!
You realize that’s how all ancient history is constructed
MilesLEGEND I sure hope not. I’m trying to highlight the fact that extra-biblical accounts which merely quote the bible do not provide any independent attestation for the claimed events in the bible, which is the mistake the guy from Genesis Apologetics is making in his video.
@@drumanddrummer465 a mere quotation isn't independent, though attesting to the same event could be.... btw the Bible isn't one book but rather a collection of writings from over 50+ years from different people.
Another great, thorough, examination. Your attention to detail, but also your calm, respectful tone and attitude is always greatly appreciated. If I was to add one thing to this video its the reminder that we have, in the video your critiquing, an example of people making significant claims about miraculous events as if they have evidence, which we can confirm they don't actually have the evidence for that they imply they do, so, perhaps ironically, their video actually stands as proof that we can't assume any follower of a religion would not do have done the same in the past.
Or to put it another way, if followers of a religion would make claims beyond what the evidence actually supports today, we'd be foolish not to suspect, or at least consider that, they would have in the past as well. As a result, their video's very existence actually gives any non-believer MORE reason to doubt any miracle claim in the christian bible, and especially those by people who don't specifically identify as the person who witnessed the claim nor give their specific source that we can fact check.
Normally a bad argument doesn't have any impact on whether or not we should trust the claim, but in this case it actually does, it actually provides counter evidence for the claim, provides another reason to doubt.
Anyway, thank you again Paul, love your work and hope you and your loved ones are well!
If so many other people who lived at that time, in that area, were not convinced by it; how could I possibly be convinced by it, with no new evidence or information, 2000 years later?
It's like saying "the actual evidence wasn't good enough to believe, but it's gone now, so here's a story about it that you can believe!"
Apologetics is the art of stringing together enough "if's" to get to a "so then..." without your listener realizing "that's a lot of if's!"
@@galacticbob1 This is the beauty of that passage (John 20:24-29) where Jesus seems to admonish one of his disciples (Thomas) for requesting sufficient evidence for belief, then casts a blessing on those who believe with out sufficient evidence.
In effect the author says to every christian today "You're actually lucky you don't have as good of evidence as they had then, because it means you're literally blessed if you believe anyway, those with justification to believe miss out on that blessing." It gives the impression that one of the keys to following Jesus as he would have you do so is specifically to avoid confirming your beliefs. It actively limits the likiehood of any one in a church expressing doubts or concerns they have for fear of looking like a doubting Thomas, even if the doubts are justified.
That's one of the things that makes deconversion both so difficult, and something we should as a community truly appreciate and celebrate when it occurs, because many of the core principles/teachings of the religion, intentionally or not, actively celebrate that the evidence for belief is bad, arguably takes pride in the fact that it is insufficient, and that's a hard thing for anyone whose been indoctrinated into it to over come even if they're other wise a very thoughtful, skeptical, individual.
I can’t help but notice that the “evidence” for each claim becomes sparser and sparser with each claim. It’s almost as if they’re saying, “if you can swallow the first couple of arguments, you might as well swallow all of them.”
Autonomous Collective, The only thing he did not do was cite Ron Wyatt. LOL
"I can't get my balls on your chin if you don't swallow the tip." Kinda?
Your fact checking is amazing! It takes serious dedication to dig up all these tiny obscure references from the old to the ancient. Then on top of that reading it over in context and comparing it to other sources.
Wow. You do us all a great service! Keep up the amazing work!
For the Paulogia tells me so! Man, I really appreciate all the research that you put into these, thanks. For the research, evidence and facts tell me so.
All he proves is that Christians lied throughout history to justify their messiah. It's almost as if the whole religion is a lie and the Bible is not the word of God.
The religion bit is all made up, but I understand Paul was real.
I guess he was the original L Ron Hubbard.
Your standing out on limb with that comment!!!
@Marilyn Newman Let's be honest here. While there are some great science fiction writers, there are many more that are just so and a whole lot that are terrible. And still sell.
@Marilyn Newman
And according to an interview with James Randy (somewhere on youtube), just as terrible a human being.
Yeah,right?
"Cow gave birth to a lamb"?
Sounds like a cow gave birth to an albino calf. That's a thing that happens IRL.
It should be a testimony to how reliable Josephus' works are.....as in not.
"Don't have a cow, man." - Bartholomew
God, here is Joe from Marketing: “How can we promote Jezus resurrection so the people believe it hundreds of years later?” Say what?! Okay...kewl idea God! Yes you make a cow give birth to a lamb! That will do the trick.
It kinda sounds like saying like "she's gonna have a cow when she finds out"
I want to be a witch but my folks say it's of the devil. I'm 14 and my family thinks my interest in practicing magic is demonic.. Idk what to do 😞😞
"For the Bible tells me so"
I love that Paul, makes me laugh each time! You are great!
If this was an actual global three hour period of darkness, then it would be attested to by pretty much every historical (and probably religious) text from that era. Did India, which puts a lot of emphasis on stellar divination (as did China, IIRC), document any such mysterious snuffing out of the sun?
That flood seems to be missing, too. 🤔 Weird.
To be fair, Hinduism does have a similar flood myth (with it originating in the Indus *River* Valley). It's just stated to have taken place thousands/millions of years before Biblical fundamentalists (as opposed to Biblical literalists, who would probably know that no actual dates were ever given for the events in question and the story wouldn't make any sense if people didn't have multiple long stretches to be fruitful and multiply in) believe that the world was supposed to have begun.
Edit: For anyone interested, I looked it up quickly and it would have taken place approximately 120 MILLION years ago, and was only an aspect of the cyclical nature of the universe rather than any sort of punishment for humanity. There is also a major flood story that might have taken place possibly thousands of years before as the Biblical story and was at least kinda done deliberately by God (though not as a punishment then, either), but it explicitly only affected one city.
Imagine those poor Aztecs! Must have been going insane!
I can't stand how these apologists lie.
I know right? His very first opening sentence was a lie. Can no religious apologist go a single round of making arguments without lying?
@@mikean7074 Nope. Not in their DNA.
And they _know_ they're lying, don't you think? Isn't that why they don't allow comments?
Hey, they're just following an ancient Christian tradition... of lying.
Mike AN in my opinion no they have to lie.
The NASA website, ResearchGate allows you to input a location and from it, you can look up all of the solar eclipses visible from that location from about 3,00 B.C.E. to thousands of years in the future. So, between 0 to 100 C.E., there were 38 such events observable from Jerusalem. There was one in 29, 32, 33, and 34 C.E. All of the 38, including these four, were PARTIAL eclipses. Q.E.D.
Well, NASA would say that wouldn't they? You can't trust an organisation that faked the moon landing and also denies the flat earth! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pauligrossinoz what fucking reason would NASA have to make such bold claims? All it would take is one failed eclipse prediction and NASA's credibility would fall significantly. And yet... go find the nearest upcoming eclipse to you, schedule a day out then, and see how accurate it is. Should be accurate to within a minute.
Go on, flat earther, show us how wrong NASA is by showing their false predictions.
@@ferociousfeind8538 - uuuummmm ... the smileys are supposed to be me flying the 'Poe' flag ... wtf happened to that meaning?
I can't keep up with this modern Internet.
@@pauligrossinoz oh rip, I'm so sorry. I didn't notice at all. I'll tell you I remember reading about the smileys. Probably, I interpreted them as a flat-earther being very smug that they just OWNED NASA. Apologies.
*Poe's law* is broken:
_Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article._
Or ... maybe *Poe's law* doesn't apply to the mentally ill, like flat-earthers and moon-landing-hoaxers ... ?
Maybe we need a new Law, like Gross' Law:
_It is utterly impossible to parody a flat-earther. Nothing can be said or written, in any style or tone, that is so stupid or outrageous that it won't be mistaken for an actual flat-earther._
Even if there was an eclipse and an earthquake, all that is proof for is that there was an eclipse and earthquake. You have to make the jump from there to the claim that it was caused supernaturally.
I’m reminded of the Adventures of Tintin, where Tintin convinced the natives that he and his friends are prophets based on the eclipse that happened when they were about to be sacrificed.
And my understanding is it wasn’t uncommon for events that happened within a general amount of time (like say ten years) to all be lumped together into one narrative by past historians. So they could have just lumped three unrelated events into the same period.
I'm not familiar with the Tintin comic, but this exact scene happened in the book A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. A "modern day" (1880s) American engineer gets knocked on the head and transported to middle ages England. He is quickly arrested and sentenced to death because of his strange speech and appearance. He recalls (correctly) that there will be an eclipse on a certain date, which he thinks is the day after his execution. He uses this knowledge and makes a threat to the king that he will "blot out the sun" after he's executed. However, he got the date wrong and the eclipse happens *as* he's being executed! He rather brilliantly takes advantage of his own mistake and convinces the king and crowd that he's changed his mind and is blotting out the sun immediately because they are so stubborn. The man stops the execution, and becomes a mystical figure all at once because of his quick thinking.
The whole book is full of that sort of stuff if that sounds interesting, but the important lesson that stuck with 9-years old me to this day is: quick thinking, plus an opportunity to exploit people's natural gullibility, can make someone seem to do supernatural and unexplainable things.
Eclipse and earthquake together could have been inspiring catalyst to some aspiring scribes. It could have given motivation to make entire fictional story about the actual event.
@@nicholaslewis8594 Historians of times past did not use the historical method we use today. As I understand it, they were less concerned with factual accuracy and more concerned with narrative. I agree that what you’re saying is plausible.
@@galacticbob1 Sounds like a similar premise! If you ever get the chance, pick up some Tintin comics at the library. Written by Herge in the fifties I believe? Originally in French but translated to English. They have a bit of a cult following. Anyhow, yeah Tintin warns the natives not to sacrifice him and uses the eclipse (from a newspaper clipping) to bolster his claim. Just like you, I think it was a seed for me that speaks to how interpretation of a natural event can be wrong and be totally made up, yet seem very convincing to the person at the time.
For the bible tells me so.
Seems like you had to do a ton of research for this.
Your hard work and attention to detail is one reason your channel is so good.
Keep it up Paul!
One would think the Judean Zombie Apocalypse if true would be the most well attested miracle in human history. "It was dark for awhile", "There was an earthquake", "A piece of fabric ripped in half" all pretty believable. But if the dead actually rose from their graves we'd have records the legions dispatched to put down the Zombie Uprising.
"3rd century version of google it" 😂😂😂
The amount of time and effort you put into each of your videos really shows! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! This was a long one.
World War Z the Jeruzalem CE edition. They talk about the veil being torn in two( they speak as if that was some earth-shattering experience) but the temple kept right on going up into its destruction in 70 CE by the Roman's.
The veil being rent asunder works as a symbolic meaning though. God no longer dwells only in the Holy of Holies but is incarnated at the mystical juncture that happens at the crucifixion.
None of that *really* happened, of course, but it's quite likely that this is what the gospel authors intended to portray.
It's where I feel a bit sorry for Biblical literalists, as, even as an atheist, the Bible is a much more interesting set if documents if you examine it critically than simply take it at face value. And apparently *we're* the ones who "don't read it properly".
@@simongiles9749 I get this. I feel like I have a much deeper understanding of the Bible now as a non-believer, because I can see it as compilation of works, of some literary and historical value, rather than as some divinely inspired, confusing mess that needs to be "interpreted" to be properly understood. I could never really grasp why God would not just make His message plain to everyone instead of a book that needs to be translated and debated over.
@@galacticbob1 Yeah,right?
@@simongiles9749 what I'm saying is these events if they happen didn't change a damn thing around the world.
@@galacticbob1 I don't get it the 2000 year old zombie is just that, nothing more than an Iron Age Fairy Tail.
Hey, this guy from answers in genesis. Watched Rhino's 🦏 video this week with this guy too.
Love this guy, he's so silly. . 👍👌👍
Thanks. double dose of the dollies is never a bad thing 😁👍
The most incredible thing about all these apologists is the amazing certainty that they present while talking about claims that are so amazingly flimsy when examined. They look at a fragment of a sentence, from decades after the events, and somehow use it as rock solid support for a massive, detailed narrative that doesn't actually appear anywhere outside of oral traditions that developed centuries later. Its astounding.
The reason they do this is because the audience they are targeting is an audience that would never spend time in their day to independent reading of the sources they present or of any other sources not presented, and that are so gullible that they would immediately trust the video is being truthful, because they have a confirmation bias.
No sliced bread is the most significant event in history.
I agree.. lol
The wheel! No, compasses! No, fire! No, black powder! No, wait, fuck. Whatever it is, it isn't whatever a middle Eastern myth says it is.
Emmanuel Piscicelli HA....IN MANY ASPECTS...I MUST AGREE
@@SonOfTheDawn515.. 🤣🤣🤣
If the events described really happened. Why wasn't there other sources documenting it. People climbing out of their graves would be a huge event. Where did they go? Did they pay back their life insurance? Did Allstate get their slogan are you in good hands from zombie hands?
And wouldn't there be people today passing down their family stories about "your great-great-great........-grandfather witnessed the saints, risen from the dead, walking around" ??
@@wownewstome6123 Exactly
Metroids got all the witnesses
Genesis Apologetics has comments turned off for their original youtube on this topic.
I wonder why. (No, I don't.)
They cannot handle science, how could they handle real people telling them they are wrong?
maybe several phony hypocrites. how about that pool boy's friend.
Like then watch. Using an educated guess it is rather easy to know how good a Paulogia video will be.
I've joked about this before, but today I legit noticed after I watched the video and went to like it, that I had already subconsciously liked it before watching. 🤯
It's just habit now I guess, whenever I see his (usually animated) scruffy self 😂
@@galacticbob1 I have 100% done the same thing many many times. 🤣
Yep, me too! Ooh, should have hashtagged that, lol. 💞✌😷🎃
So the Bible is literal until it doesn’t make sense, then it’s a portent, a metaphor or some other excuse. No wonder there’s 33k denominations with a 66-81 biblical canon depending on which denomination “interprets” those ancient anonymous papyrus scribblings, and two other Abrahamic faiths.
Two other major Abrahamic faiths. There's also the -Morons- -Mormons- Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of -Latter-Day-Saintists and the Jehovah's Witlesses, amongst others which can be regarded as separate faiths. Oh, and Satanists (real ones, not the parody ones).
Exactly, and what those apologists aren't telling us is that the parts they point to being a figure of speech were taken literally by earlier apologists. They keep changing their minds based on current tolerance BS level from the general population. It's so transparent, it's weird that many Christians refuse to notice it, it's almost as if they wanted the boring old myth to be actually true, at any cost.
You are right of course.
@@bdf2718 You forgot to mention rastafarianism and the Baha'i faith.
Two dislikes from Mark and Matthew...
Awesome, you win the Internet this week with that comment! Congrats
@@furious32ninja Thanks! I've given out the award but never received it before!
The authors of*
@@ferociousfeind8538 We may as well call these authors Mark and Matthew. These are basically pen names. No different in a meaningful sense than calling Voltaire by "Voltaire" as opposed to his real name.
Thx Paul, you really make some cracking videos and the amount of research you must have to put into them I can only guess at.
I’m wondering if you are thinking about creating a website to provide a super-structure with pointers into video detail ... it might also provide an opportunity to nail some of the definitions which can be distorted for effect in other folk’s videos. Keep up the great work!
@Paulogia I would second this suggestion. talkorigins.org is a great *indexed* reference for creationism-specific claims, I would love to see something similar for general Christian claims.
Why apologists forget about all the other resurrections that occurred in the bible? If they hold that bible proves Jesus' resurrections they must admit that he's just a guy at the end of a long queue... And hardly first god's son too, see Nephelims.
26:00 And a Roman that recognized someone as a son of gods? Do they know that a lot of roman Emperors and VIPs claimed divine bloodlines? A legionnaire too would be, "Oh, great, another one..."
Emperor Vespasian's last words were allegedly "I think I'm becoming a god..."
Yeah, the "son of a god" trope was very much a thing back then, as were journies to the underworld/afterlife and rising from the dead. The more you learn about ancient religion stories the more you realize that Christianity was copying earlier tales.
Which is why all comparisons of Yeshua to other dying and rising gods are rightfully poo-pooed on sight as pointless garbage; in a religious world where gods intervene in the affairs of men, resurrection is Tuesday.
@@timeshark8727 For a non-Christian, pre-Christian Gospel that doesn't depend on Judaism to function, don't look to Dumuzi, Cernunnos, Odin _or_ Baldur, Slifer the Executive Producer, or any other of the gaggle of Monster Reborn targets people normally bring up with the scholastic rigor and grace of Ancient Aliens, but rather look at Prince Rama and the Ramayana from Hinduism, which not only predates Christianity but arguably even Judeo-Christianity as a whole.
25:25 "Truly this man was the son of god." You may have heard John Wayne did multiple takes for this scene. I've heard the director came to him and told him to redo the line but with more _awe._ Being a professional, naturally the Duke complied: "Aw! Truly this man was the son of god."
Probably apocryphal, but pleasing nonetheless.
It always sounded to me like he was just woken up from a deep sleep when he said it.
'Dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!'
Is quoting someone somehow supposed to make that original quote credible? I don't understand how supplying quotes of quotes that quote quotes is supposed to be convincing.
I find the credibility of "supplying quotes of quotes that quote quotes is supposed to be convincing" to be very high. It is very convincing to me and should be to you, too
Remember, these are the same people who think that the number of copies of the bible support the accuracy and historicity of the bible... they don't logic well.
@@timeshark8727 To be fair, the fact that the Biblical version of the Mesopotamian beliefs survived and grew to this day while the others died at its feet in the ANE can lead one to believe that they must have done _something_ right...
@@autobotstarscream765 Yeah, they were very good at weaseling their way into power and crushing all opposing viewpoints once there.
@@timeshark8727 To be fair, isn't that the ultimate natural conclusion for the Mesopotamian belief that might makes right, that whichever version survives by its tribe conquering all others and being the last version standing is the correct version that their Anunnaki gods have chosen?
This is the exact style of argument I hear folks of many faiths use to defend the legitimacy of the claims of their holy books, and it always comes down to, because our holybooks that we believe in said so.......
OMG! An apologist being disingenuous? I'm *shocked!* Shocked I tell you!
The very first opening sentence made by the apologist was a lie. I wonder if any religious apologist can go a single round of making arguments without lying?
@@mikean7074 No, all of their arguments are lies and fallacies. It's all they got since they lack any form of credible evidence.
If they do have some credible evidence they're hiding it because no one has come up with any in the last several thousand years that we have written records for.
@@fred_derf The question is, *why* would they hide such evidence if they do have it? What exactly is the point in hiding the weapon that would convert most people to the religion without much resistance instead of having to recur to reigns of terror and indoctrination? It is almost as if they do not care about truth or persuasion, only about feeling powerful over others by telling people they will go to hell if their gospels are not obeyed.
Poor Mike Winger is probably losing his mind while watching this video with all the for the bible tells me so gingling that was taking place during this video..
Is "gingling"a word?
@@shriggs55 😂😂😂
@@shriggs55 It's how Wolfe Glick probably spells "jingling". 😂
You make it look so easy when you do your videos I have to remind myself you really work hard in getting this information out so just saying Thanks.
You’re doing the Dark Lord’s good work going through and individually examining each source. This type of apologetic is a firehose of misleading and half-truths that sound very convincing to those who haven’t looked deeper.
Thanks. It's exhausting.
Another great video, Paul!
The comments on the original video are turned off. How unsurprising.
His comments are turned off. A sure sign of someone not comfortable with what he/she is presenting.
Yes!! I love it when your episodes include my favorite jingle on the internet! WOOHOO!
Excellent refutation. Again.
I wish I had the guts to send your videos to my religious family 🤣 But I find them extremely informative and enjoyable.
Here's hoping they find them some how.
@@Paulogia Thanks Paul! I really hope they do. I'm still hoping my nieces and nephews are bold enough to examine their doubts. When they do, I'm sure to send them your videos.
Very nicely done Paul. I Love your videos.
I love the line "think about it". He's appealing to intuition here, and I find that ironic. My intuition says that if a bunch of Jewish people had a prophecy in their text literally come true, and it happened right in front of them, why did it take hundreds of years for there to be any meaningful amount of Christians to appear? Why are there Jewish people still around today? They supposedly witnessed this event first hand when it happened right? Why did it take bloody conversions and political manipulation to convince anyone? Surely even the Romans would have converted immediately when it happened. Could it be that it didn't happen maybe? Hmm. Seems fishy
Fishy. LOL! A good one when speaking of Christianity... ;)
@@roblovestar9159 I'm glad someone picked up on my well crafted pun...lol
If you have to knowingly lie to argue for your point, maybe that's a sign you should rethink your position. Maybe.
If you tick that box labelled _"I'm happy to lie to make an argument",_ you're applying for the job of *religious apologist.*
Yet another _outstanding_ video Paul! Thank you! 👍
Oh Paul, I am so disappointed in you! How dare you destroy a lovely fairy story with cold hard facts and critical analysis of the evidence they've painstakingly provided!
Paulogia .....Your industrious research and analysis of tenuous Biblical claims is second to none. Well done Sir !
I have a few questions about "Pilate's" letter. First, how would he have known if it was dark all over the world? He was stationed in Judea. If it was hyperbole, then how can we differentiate between literal and hyperbolic in the rest of his letter? Second, doesn't it sound a little suspicious that this pagan governor who was famous for looting the temple treasury to pay for an aquaduct and for being hostile to the Jewish religion and their religious leaders, mentions the "preparation" (for the Passover) as a tine marker? Third, does Genesis Apologetics think that this letter should be canon? Does this mean there aren't other apocryphal ideas in it?
I've seen at least one apologist say how much he hates the "for the bible tells me so" jingle. Keep up the good work!
"The earth is actually flat."
- Paulogia
October 15, 2020
Thats what a flat earther would do. Cherry-pick what somebody said, leave out pertinent information, and claim something he never said. What Paulogia said was _"I can verify that in 2020 there are people who believe the earth is flat."_ _-"That statement doesn't affirm that-_ _"the earth is actually flat."_ -Paulogia, October 15, 2020
@@nebtheweb8885 do you honestly think that i was trying to use that quote to support flat earth idiocy?
@@Amateur0Visionary Gosh, I hope not. Just pointing out that that is a tactic used by them quite a bit. :)
Checkmate Rounders.
@@Amateur0Visionary what!? The Earth is flat! Don't be stupid, sheeple. I should know, I live in Australia and my head is always sore from hanging upside down.
Man, I got here super early! I never see these pop up so soon
I liked this comment exclusively for the Luffy icon.
A supernatural thing happened to me today. A moving drawing with a human voice SPOKE TO ME.
Therefore.....Jesus?
Nice timing Paul, I'm currently in dialogue with Stephen M. Miller and others concerning the crucifixion and miracles.. By the way do you have any video on Lourdes, France?
Unlikely, american literalists hardly know about EU and other irrelevant places xD
I think the greatest miracle was the night after the last supper when a load of people who were all asleep managed to record Jesus praying.
A really good job Paul.
I'm so happy that I found this channel..
I was raised by a bunch of so-called "christians".. and suffered greatly because of it..
my first memories are being told that I was born a sinner.. that as a sinner I was an abomination and that an eternity of hellfire and brimstone awaited me..
I was punished greatly for these "sins".. my 1st black eye was given to me at the sinful age of 1.5 years old..
the religious trauma continued daily.. I've been stabbed.. choked out.. head banged against the wall.. kicked.. slapped.. punched.. mocked and have had my hair pulled.. all whilst bible verses were being shouted at me..
they particularly hated the fact that in 4th grade I was tested with a 140IQ and my inquisitive mind INFURIATED them..
my questions and queries were met with claims that I was a blasphemer.. a "non-believer".. a SINNER.. an abomination..
I was advised of the dangers of "questioning authority" and.. because I would not.. COULD NOT.. *conform*.. I was abandoned on the streets at 16..
at least they gave up trying to kill me.. but.. they let it be known that they believed the streets would accomplish what they failed at..
haha.. joke's on them!!
I'm 58 now.. four years ago I was diagnosed with treatment resistant *complex* PTSD from childhood trauma..
my healing since my diagnosis is my only focus.. I ceased all communication with nuclear and extended family members in April 2017..
but.. their messages of hate and disdain continue to be directed at me.. its been a long and painful journey..
the thing is.. even as a CHILD I could discern the inconsistencies and contradictions.. but.. was demonized for questioning..
it really fucked with my psyche because.. INTUITIVELY.. I knew but.. didn't have the vocabulary nor exposure to argue against this force of EVIL that was oppressing and physically.. mentally.. emotionally and spiritually abusing me..
hearing you and others like you (like Matt) REASON your way through discussions on these topics helps me so much..
you have NO IDEA.. so.. thank you.. sincerely!!! 💜💜💜
I love this channel, you're seriously under appreciated onnthis site
thanks, Wally!
@@Paulogia anytime Paul! You've helped me become a wiser, less toxic atheist and im excited to see your channel grow. I also loved your comic book series
Unfortunately for them. You can't keep all the people ignorant enough to believe forever. Only willful ignorance keeps it going.
An unusually long solar eclipse accompanied by an earthquake which damaged the temple and some graves and perhaps led to a man converting to a different religion in no way confirms the divinity of Jesus, or even his resurrection (which wouldn't necessarily mean he was divine). Even if I grant a Christian apologist all five events, they still have a lot of work to do.
This is the first of your pods that I have listened to in full. It was a good histological analysis.
I wasn't ever convinced that religion had history on its side
So I am still waiting
welcome!
I very much enjoyed the jingle today. I can't get bored or annoyed by it. I'm really giving up hope though that we can ever get past the bible to confirm any interesting (miraculous) stuff.
*thinking back to last eclipse*
Does that mean god was angry in 2017? The same year trump took office?
My brain: yes, it must be
Also my brain: obviously not, it's just a weird connection and confirmation bias
Maybe... there's been floods, epic fires and a worldwide plague since then as well. Ooh 'eck.
Commented before Shannon!
LoL, me too, me too!
Ahhhhhh. There goes that blessed jingle!
If we have evidence of post hoc forgery to validate the Bible,what does that say about the Historicity of the Bible?
I know that water clocks existed, but I keep wondering how much measuring of time could be done in darkness when light is still the more common timekeeping mechanism...
Even if people were looking at the time as the darkness started and looked again once it was over, that ends up being speculation and hearsay. Who were the official timekeepers of the ancient world, what was their equivalent of the atomic clock and Geneva time to set any of this up?
@@rodneytgap5340 The Hellenistic world developed some clocks that were comparable in accuracy to a cheap mechanical wristwatch in modern times. Water clocks in ancient Persia were even more accurate, and were needed to regulate irrigation apportionment precisely. The best ancient clocks were kept in temples or in the courts of kings, precisely to establish a uniform standard. There were mechanical water clocks using escapement systems that were quite accurate, the only problem being variations of temperature. Chinese engineers solved this problem in the 10th century by making escapement clocks employing liquid mercury. Simple astronomical methods of determining the time were available if one had the math to do it --- and the ancient world had the math for this quite early. In Egypt, astronomical time-telling was made pretty accurate by the use of instruments called "merkhets" which could determine a very accurate meridian with star alignments... and then one had only to compare the positions of stars against it to tell the time accurately. There were a lot of clever dudes in the ancient world. After all, when Eratosthenes made his estimate of the circumference of the Earth, he was off from the real figure by and between -2.4% and +0.8%. Pretty damn good. You have only to examine the famed Antikythera Mechanism, preserved in the National Archaeological Museum at Athens, to see the technical sophistication the ancient world achieved.
I love these debunking vids. Thanks Paul!
Apologists are just driving a clown car in circles around and around and around the same tiny town telling us about the same buildings they over and over. They are a sad lot.
Even if the earthquake happened, the gospel writers writing some 30 - 60 years after the event could easily have attributed it to the Jesus story to try and make their claim seem historical. It doesn't prove anything to say that because an earthquake recorded in the Bible happened, everything in the Bible must be true.
Great Vid Paul!!! Wouldn't it'v been cool to have Joseph Campbell around still to hear what he says about this???
Joseph Campbell was the very first person I ever heard speak that resonated with me..
I loved his *Power of Myth* series
Lisa I actually saw "Transformations of Myth through Time" on PBS back in the late '70s/early '80s before Powers of Myth, really good telecourse, maybe you can still find it!!! Take Care!!!
3:06 Okay, here we go. He's going to give us a first hand, contemporary, non Christian record of this event that is free from collusion.
Yes, I was very disappointed too.
Good job paul
Putting the cart before the horse.
Show Jesus existed first, then move on to the rest.
hade a talk with a one fundamentalist one time ,and later it was mimiced in a thread on a ra video i think...
in both cases the dude literary pulled up a citation of the council at nicea from a catholic site that even itself admitted the jesus of the bible likely is the product of repeat editing of local tales with preachers having similar names into one 'church approved' self contradicting missh mash character...and somehow declared it supported the claim the bibles jesus existed :( must be cognitive compartmentalisation or whats its now called :/
@@Amoth_oth_ras_shash
It's pure dishonesty :(
Like the convicted fraudster Hovind on that Aron Ra debate.
Aron made him go get the "school science book" that said People evolved from rocks, and read that bit out.
*SHOCK!!*
It was from 1974 (or sumsuch), for 8 year olds (so very simplified), and didn't say that at all!!
But that didn't stop the convict repeating the claim it did, not 3 minutes later ................
First prove Jesus exists now. Why go back to history when you believe in a living god that interacts in the world today? At least the Catholics believe in modern miracles. Though the "invented" science, they seem to be pretty bad at investigating these.
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"At least the Catholics believe in modern miracles."
Have you "seen" these "modern miracles" ?
They have to make the lamest stuff up, because someone can't be canonised without one.
EG: Mother Teresa farted once, and it smelt of roses.
I looked after a pot plant and it didn't die.
You get the idea.
@@kevinshort3943 That's why I said they were bad at investigating them.
This video became so hilarious towards the end, There was so much “for the Bible tells me so” in the arguments, referencing a 16th century guy for a 1st century event.
Excellent work Paul! Thanks for putting in so much effort on behalf of the truth so frequently obscured by these "lovers of the truth".
Paulogia, boy, I've been able to grab a few times to watch videos, but been busy, and missing a lot! This was great. To believers, that would sound so affirming! But all of their proofs always come back to a bunch of later 'scholars' repeating what they already believe. So, great job on the research, as usual. Oh, and I teased Shannon about her hair, the other day. It made you guys look like brother and sister! Now, that's getting into biblical, lol.Next I saw her it was greenish? Oh well, it's a fun thing to do, experimenting. 👍💓💞✌😷🎃
Excellent
".....so, there we have it." That was my favorite line in the video :)
Excellent video! Maybe skip the baby sound fx next time please (bible tells me so). I was really impressed by how successful you were at dismantling their reasoning.
I just don't understand how they can accept third and 4th hand accounts as fact.
Wait. Where is Shannon’s comment?
💚 *quality content* 💚
Nice. How are you going to categorize this video? Under Paulogetics?
He tore the claims to pieces. Good work.
Yey, my favorite ear worm jingle is back!
Ah, good ol "COMMENTS ARE TURNED OFF" on the original video.
Also found it interesting that the earthquake in 33 described in the 2001 Migowski paper is the smallest quake they have recorded in the entire paper. The grand, supernatural earthquake rof the crucifixion was only a 5.5.
Nice, a bedtime story 😁
I've seen Mike Licona totally destroyed in every debate he has ever had. Jesus must be weeping
The description sounds more like the sun being obscured by a volcanic eruption and the earthquake would confirm that.
Grate debate
Lol look at that you just mentioned the same thing in the video lol awesome.
The problem is the duration of darkness. This cannot naturally be caused by an eclipse.
Therefore, what? Do you just uncritically accept that it happened as reported and that God or a god was at work, or do you think it's possible something else was going on, for example, that the writer was mistaken or untrustworthy?
10:27 The backwards argument starting from the conclusion...
Man, I would have probably missed that. You're so smart and thorough! 😮
At the end of each video you could mention the "meta problems". Why do they have to try so hard to come up with evidence (and it's still lousy)? It's cool that they're at least referring to evidence, but what would these attempts say about their god? Did it intend for them to struggle so much in convincing us of something of great importance? Why didn't their god provide the best possible evidence?
I'm sad there seems to be no more Hamm and Aigs