re: damper making the expert shovel useless, this is not at all the case. It is much more efficient in terms of coal consumption to have the firebox 20% full, with the damper wide open, rather than a firebox that is 100% full with the damper at 20%. The latter consumes something like 4x as much coal for the same amount of heat generation. Choking down a fire by restricting its air supply results in incomplete combustion and the production of carbon monoxide, which produces much less heat for the same amount of fuel as full combustion does. And of course, plumes of black smoke as incompletely burned fuel leaves the stack.
You don’t *have* to. It’s really more of an expert’s technique. Using 4x more coal sounds bad, but 4x of almost nothing is still not really worth worrying about. As you know your range is generally much more limited by water than coal, so saving that last few shovels worth of coal is maybe not that important.
This advice really helped me save a lot of coal. Thanks zeibach! With simulator bringing water towers to all the stations, saving coal gives me the range to do multiple missions back to back without driving somewhere to get coal.
To Hyce, ES&D CDO Fees and fines cost before being paid off at the end of your shift was 55,516.30 dollars. We appreciated you paying your fees in full. Thank you for paying off your fees and fines. Derail Valley Debt Collector, John Doe
You know I have an operating theory that running with a full box is less economical than running with a box half full because of the restricted airflow, i've been able to max out the fire temp gauge before. I fire my s060 pretty much the same way as that LMS training video haha. watching out for the colour of the smoke and all that jazz. Good episode! :D
I tried to do that but i only get to 1200°C when i shovel the maximum amount of coal into the firebox. Since the smoke stays lightly gray it is still efficient tho.
Another lovely episode. You’re in the endgame now, get to know the harbour-military base run well! It’s not exactly a gravy train, but the money is well worth it. The DE6 is pretty nice, you can hear the main relay go “clonk” when you take the first notch, which makes me smile every time. I’ve been having too much fun with the steam engines to run it very often. Once you get 2 or 3 MU’ed though, you can pull the whole yard! I use a dead de2 with the electrics cut in as a “robot” car so i can run the whole consist with a remote.
Hazmat 3 or DE6? [thinks back to the kilometer long train with 3 DE6s] DE6, no question Also you might want to consider getting an end-of-train lantern from one of the shops
sergeant watches guy take a shunting job destroy like 6 cars then run off with a load for another job just sitting there knowing there is going to be cups peed in and paperwork to fill out. that's my outside perspective visualization of the first 2/3 of the vid lol
started trying to build a tendered steam engine in stormworks. still working out the kinks... like lighting itself on fire and air frying the engineer, but hey it moves!
Military III is next on my list, and I'm scared :D Thank god I'm currently stuck at the coal mine with 1800 tons of coal behind my 2 282s. Sucks to be stranded, but at least that way the inevitable nuclear disaster is postponed for a few days...
Lanterns and flashlights disappear fast if you leave them on the ground. Annoyingly fast if you're trying to switch at night. Be nice if the devs added a spot on the switches where a lantern would stay put. Also, fun fact, you can light the firebox with a lit lantern rather than the lighter.
I frequently do gravity runs down this alignment from the junction @ iron mine east all the way to the harbor. I have a single DE2 wth the train just to give better brake control, and a DE6 to push out of the military base. I leave the train balanced across the grade transition before returning the DE6 to the base and shutting it down. Then, I head back to the DE2, start it up and give just enough of a pull to get it started downhill, and let it roll. Managed properly, one can roll from there all the way into the B yard at around 45 kph. The savings on maintenance give a decent bonus despite not making the time bonus.
29:45 And that's why I like to ride the tail end of any cut of cars I kick to realign a switch! _So that I can properly tell when it's passed the points_
It wasn't until after the video I read the title correctly. I was waiting for the "huge cRash" with military trains, when in fact Mark was only making massive bank rather than fireballs lol
Hyce talking about kAN has just gotten me thinking now: I already hope Derail Valley gets multiplayer someday because I'd love to run trains together with people, but now I also want it in order to see Hyce and kAN play it together.
You know using the S060 for your first military job is actually quite fitting considering it is based off of a variant of the USATC S100 class which were used for wartime shunting in Europe in North Africa during the Second World War.
Just gotta mention, love that you used the USA 0-6-0 for the military stuff. It's just a perfect fit because those 0-6-0s serviced in WW2 in a few spots.
I gotta admit, though the "blowdown valve cracked open" was a kinda inconvenient thing, it _did_ create a cool "steam leaking from the side" effect for the locomotive at ~10:30 and 10:50
Around 8:10 "come on, the buffers are that strong?" oh yes they are. You couldn't actually couple like you do on DV. You need to push the buffers in with full force (bit less for cargo, you want more play there) and while applying the force apply the brakes with a very substantial set before slowly cutting the force out. Otherwise you'll just bounce back. Remember that virtually everything you have to mind about train handling is completely obsolete with chain and buffer - you really do need strong springs to achieve that.
37:47 Southern Pacific Donner Pass mode unlocked! (For all those not in the know, I'm referring to the Southern Pacific's Cab Forward locomotives. Very cool class/classes, you all should look it up!)
Put your lantern on the floor directly under the handbrake in the S060, that is the best place I found for sight glass visibility. Not perfect but it makes it noticeably easier to see.
I don't know if you've ever talked about it, but there's been a question on my mind for a while now: if I understand sight glasses correctly, they always have boiler pressure (and temperature) in them. How safe is that for the engineers, in case of accidental damage? I guess it's built robustly enough to withstand the normal operating temperature and maximum pressure of a boiler, and if it does get damaged from the boiler itself, you've got bigger issues than a broken sight glass anyway.
I think he's mentioned this in one of his museum videos before, or maybe a railroads online video with Kan? The sight glass itself is in a double-wall safety container, so if the glass tube breaks there's an outer wall to catch the flying glass and hot water. If the tube breaks, there's a valve to disconnect the sight glass from the boiler - this allows it to be replaced while the boiler is pressurized, too (it was apparently common to carry spare glass tubes).
Atten-HUT, The Mission sort all the loads but don't get anywhere near the cars very Dangerous. Use a dutch drop to sort with but be careful if 2 cars hit to fast it'll rock your WOOORRRLLD! Move Out Solider. -Lionel Train Town Had to reword it slightly for your video though, hope you like it.
Whern moving that slow (14:40 or so), shouldn't the chuffs be two chuffs close-ish together, and then a slightly longer gap? I think I've got a tiny PTSD, every time you check the water glass, I expect it to be empty, followed promptly by a big boom lol. So....how much pressure do the cyl coks bleed out of the cylinders when open (assuming no liquid water is present)?
Just because I can't leave well enough alone, whoever set up that train job Greatly underestimated the real tonnage of the tank set. Cargo alone would be around 1200 US tons, not including the weight of the cars. (That's even scarier if its in metric tons!) I get some things are fudged because train game, but other things go Deep into hardcore sim. You'd think it'd be closer on the other bits. Meh, things I think about while watching someone else play a train game. 😁
You can place the EOT lanterns on couplers by right clicking. It doesn't work with the regular lanterns for some reason though. Also,(while chanting and waving big sportsball fan foam finger)...DE6...DE6....DE6...
Hey Hyce, just wanted to suggest a video idea with Kan and the race series use the s282 rearranged mod and give Kan a whole lesson on how all of the wheel arrangements change different things and traction effort and then you both have to pick your choice of wheel arrangement
You know what would compliment derail valley? A new map for multiplayer with a double track main where you go fast and do races. Probably won't happen though.
Just so you know Hyce you can use the scroll wheel and right and left click to use the Fee terminal. Left lick to advance the menu. Rick click to go back, and scroll to go up or down.
DE6, you have MU and the slug, I high key wanna see near real length freight hauls just to see how close to getting the time bonuses for them all you can get
With how often you need to put lanterns on the end of your train, it might be worth purchasing the end of train lantern. I think you can have more than one?
it's been a while since this was posted, so idk who will see this, but that little shelf on the back wall of the S0-6-0 works great as a spot to put a lanter.
re: damper making the expert shovel useless, this is not at all the case.
It is much more efficient in terms of coal consumption to have the firebox 20% full, with the damper wide open, rather than a firebox that is 100% full with the damper at 20%.
The latter consumes something like 4x as much coal for the same amount of heat generation. Choking down a fire by restricting its air supply results in incomplete combustion and the production of carbon monoxide, which produces much less heat for the same amount of fuel as full combustion does. And of course, plumes of black smoke as incompletely burned fuel leaves the stack.
If anyone would know, it would be you my friend! I suppose I'll have to stop lazy firing.... :D
@@Hyce777 o:
@@Hyce777 or blowing up the whole dam train
You don’t *have* to. It’s really more of an expert’s technique. Using 4x more coal sounds bad, but 4x of almost nothing is still not really worth worrying about.
As you know your range is generally much more limited by water than coal, so saving that last few shovels worth of coal is maybe not that important.
This advice really helped me save a lot of coal. Thanks zeibach! With simulator bringing water towers to all the stations, saving coal gives me the range to do multiple missions back to back without driving somewhere to get coal.
To Hyce,
ES&D CDO
Fees and fines cost before being paid off at the end of your shift was 55,516.30 dollars. We appreciated you paying your fees in full.
Thank you for paying off your fees and fines.
Derail Valley Debt Collector,
John Doe
Also thank you for uploading right when I walked in to the dentist office
What a chad! Thanks for your dedication to this.
10:08 You probably didn't notice, but when the lantern fell of the turret, it knocked the blowdown valve ever so slightly open.
The lanterns are conspiring against Hyce
*how dare it*
Holy crap, they can do that?! Huh, handheld items have better physics than I thought!
i love how hyce couples sweetly & gently into the ONE cargo that you cant hurt
People, lemme give you some good math. Hyce+Train Games=A FUNNY HYCE EPISODE!!!!!
Funny hyce episode+spicy derail sounds
Very good math tita
And don’t forget the Kenosha😂
"It's not a terribly efficient thing, is it?" *Yanks the throttle and bar around like a crazed animal*
Looks like Hyce knows only two gears:
"BBBEEEEEAAAAAAANNNNNNNSSSSSSSS"
"Oh no... Stop! Stop! STAAAAHHHHPPP!!"
You know I have an operating theory that running with a full box is less economical than running with a box half full because of the restricted airflow, i've been able to max out the fire temp gauge before. I fire my s060 pretty much the same way as that LMS training video haha. watching out for the colour of the smoke and all that jazz. Good episode! :D
I'd bet you're right!
Little and often, little and often
I tried to do that but i only get to 1200°C when i shovel the maximum amount of coal into the firebox. Since the smoke stays lightly gray it is still efficient tho.
Liking the new tunes
Another lovely episode. You’re in the endgame now, get to know the harbour-military base run well! It’s not exactly a gravy train, but the money is well worth it. The DE6 is pretty nice, you can hear the main relay go “clonk” when you take the first notch, which makes me smile every time. I’ve been having too much fun with the steam engines to run it very often. Once you get 2 or 3 MU’ed though, you can pull the whole yard! I use a dead de2 with the electrics cut in as a “robot” car so i can run the whole consist with a remote.
Hazmat 3 or DE6?
[thinks back to the kilometer long train with 3 DE6s]
DE6, no question
Also you might want to consider getting an end-of-train lantern from one of the shops
Did anyone mention how ridiculously great music you have in the outro? Worth sticking around for, love it! 😄
Yes I second that……
You didn't ask and might already know, but in case you or anyone else reading doesn't, the title is "End of the Line".
"End of the Line." Is for his game, Century of Steam. It was released on YT under the CoS channel.
@@A_person473the song played in the outro is End of the Line.
@@claysibert Yes. I know this. It's also for his game.
"It must be cold out" -new favorite hyce quote
sergeant watches guy take a shunting job destroy like 6 cars then run off with a load for another job just sitting there knowing there is going to be cups peed in and paperwork to fill out. that's my outside perspective visualization of the first 2/3 of the vid lol
started trying to build a tendered steam engine in stormworks. still working out the kinks... like lighting itself on fire and air frying the engineer, but hey it moves!
Just working out some minor bugs. You won't notice a thing! (Of course charcoal isn't exactly known for being observant).
This game could really use a headlamp.
Yeah basically, it’s to dark so they need it
Perhaps they could simulate night adjusted vision, coming and going as light exposure changes. The blackness could lessen as eyes adjust to the dark.
Military III is next on my list, and I'm scared :D Thank god I'm currently stuck at the coal mine with 1800 tons of coal behind my 2 282s. Sucks to be stranded, but at least that way the inevitable nuclear disaster is postponed for a few days...
Lanterns and flashlights disappear fast if you leave them on the ground. Annoyingly fast if you're trying to switch at night. Be nice if the devs added a spot on the switches where a lantern would stay put. Also, fun fact, you can light the firebox with a lit lantern rather than the lighter.
The devs should make regular lanterns hook up to couplers, and EOT lanterns should show up on the map
And maybe some kind of magnetism to the lantern shelves in the locomotive cab
In the DH4 my lantern (I tend to use them as not as bright cab light) always gets out of the cab through the wall somehow 😂
I frequently do gravity runs down this alignment from the junction @ iron mine east all the way to the harbor. I have a single DE2 wth the train just to give better brake control, and a DE6 to push out of the military base. I leave the train balanced across the grade transition before returning the DE6 to the base and shutting it down. Then, I head back to the DE2, start it up and give just enough of a pull to get it started downhill, and let it roll. Managed properly, one can roll from there all the way into the B yard at around 45 kph. The savings on maintenance give a decent bonus despite not making the time bonus.
29:45 And that's why I like to ride the tail end of any cut of cars I kick to realign a switch! _So that I can properly tell when it's passed the points_
It wasn't until after the video I read the title correctly. I was waiting for the "huge cRash" with military trains, when in fact Mark was only making massive bank rather than fireballs lol
Considering this was Hyce it wouldn't have been surprising if he had crashed
In this episode of Derail Valley, Hyce drives cab forward
honestly, with all the tunnels he went through on this run, it probably wasn't a bad idea. less coal dust and exhaust in the lungs ;)
I like the new music, its nice
Hyce talking about kAN has just gotten me thinking now: I already hope Derail Valley gets multiplayer someday because I'd love to run trains together with people, but now I also want it in order to see Hyce and kAN play it together.
This game is an absolute blast in VR.
10:00 this rendition of Amazing Grace...oh man. Beautifully done.
When you sneezed at 54:19 bless you
Some of your lanterns are turned down. They have a little wheel to make them brighter
Yea just scroll the mouse wheel.
You know using the S060 for your first military job is actually quite fitting considering it is based off of a variant of the USATC S100 class which were used for wartime shunting in Europe in North Africa during the Second World War.
Yesss, our weekly dose of DV!
I'm amazed you managed to shunt nearly 1000 tonnes of Tanks, refuel then haul to the military base in an s060 without blowing up. What's your secret?
Military dude: “yea can you deliver some tanks”
Hyce:”I can do that”
*shows up in steam locomotive*
Just gotta mention, love that you used the USA 0-6-0 for the military stuff. It's just a perfect fit because those 0-6-0s serviced in WW2 in a few spots.
If I ever get Derail Valley, I’m picturing ES&D, ES&DT, and SD&S-lettered locos with faces as a shitpost.
Holy shit it's Jordan Freeman from the hit FPS Calf-Life
@@realcanadian67 no, wrong person. My name is j-o-r-d-O-n, while that guy is j-o-r-d-A-n. Same last name, though.
FIRMLY GRASP IT
haha, you are definitely a spongebob kid, you and I both
Congrats on 100k, im glad to be a part of them
Guilty... Lol!
16:45 and suddenly the image of one loaded flatcar after the other swan diving into the ocean like lemmings appears in my head
I like the new music!
I honestly feel like i missed something with why Logistical hauls are "the meguffin"
Oh yeah. I was watching Unstoppable but Even Denzel can't stop this man for blowing stuff up. Hoppefully ES&DS Will do it's thing. Gonna find out.
I gotta admit, though the "blowdown valve cracked open" was a kinda inconvenient thing, it _did_ create a cool "steam leaking from the side" effect for the locomotive at ~10:30 and 10:50
Oh not sure if you seen yet, but they have red ETD/EOT lamps now too. You can have 3 of them too.
Well, is next episode the one where you finally give in and pick up logistical haul, so you can do *something* from the military base?
The first song is amazing
Around 8:10 "come on, the buffers are that strong?" oh yes they are. You couldn't actually couple like you do on DV. You need to push the buffers in with full force (bit less for cargo, you want more play there) and while applying the force apply the brakes with a very substantial set before slowly cutting the force out. Otherwise you'll just bounce back. Remember that virtually everything you have to mind about train handling is completely obsolete with chain and buffer - you really do need strong springs to achieve that.
That does make sense! Wow.
37:47 Southern Pacific Donner Pass mode unlocked!
(For all those not in the know, I'm referring to the Southern Pacific's Cab Forward locomotives. Very cool class/classes, you all should look it up!)
Hyce, get some EOT lanterns. You can hook them to couplers.
The lantern grabbers are very fast
Put your lantern on the floor directly under the handbrake in the S060, that is the best place I found for sight glass visibility. Not perfect but it makes it noticeably easier to see.
DE6 + Slug for heavy tonnage shenanigans yes please.
I cannot get enough of these videos!
How's your first military job going?
Insert sounds of the late great R Lee Ermey...... WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION PRIVATE HYCE!!
Congrats on 90k hyce! Road to 100k!!
Love the new music tracks
A few were a touch loud compared to Hyce's voice (one at the intro, mainly), but same!
I don't know if you've ever talked about it, but there's been a question on my mind for a while now: if I understand sight glasses correctly, they always have boiler pressure (and temperature) in them. How safe is that for the engineers, in case of accidental damage? I guess it's built robustly enough to withstand the normal operating temperature and maximum pressure of a boiler, and if it does get damaged from the boiler itself, you've got bigger issues than a broken sight glass anyway.
I think he's mentioned this in one of his museum videos before, or maybe a railroads online video with Kan? The sight glass itself is in a double-wall safety container, so if the glass tube breaks there's an outer wall to catch the flying glass and hot water. If the tube breaks, there's a valve to disconnect the sight glass from the boiler - this allows it to be replaced while the boiler is pressurized, too (it was apparently common to carry spare glass tubes).
You know hyce I'm going to need all the explanations on the new songs cause they are seriously just too awesome 😂, good job as always
When the feed loaded and first saw the title, thought it said "Huge Crash" rather than "Huge Cash". See if a Kenosha still occurs!
I like how you were really dialing in the injector towards the end.
6:01 you're welcome lol
Episode 17 already. Nice work man
Atten-HUT, The Mission sort all the loads but don't get anywhere near the cars very Dangerous. Use a dutch drop to sort with but be careful if 2 cars hit to fast it'll rock your WOOORRRLLD! Move Out Solider. -Lionel Train Town
Had to reword it slightly for your video though, hope you like it.
love the vids cant wait for more mods to come out
Flanges? Brake shoes? Who need those?! In ES&D we're runing purely on blind drivers while yanking bar to reverse at 60 all the time!
Whern moving that slow (14:40 or so), shouldn't the chuffs be two chuffs close-ish together, and then a slightly longer gap? I think I've got a tiny PTSD, every time you check the water glass, I expect it to be empty, followed promptly by a big boom lol. So....how much pressure do the cyl coks bleed out of the cylinders when open (assuming no liquid water is present)?
The chuffs should be perfectly even.
The cocks do bleed pressure, but they're a pretty small hole (Maybe 1/2" diameter) so less than you'd think.
Just because I can't leave well enough alone, whoever set up that train job Greatly underestimated the real tonnage of the tank set. Cargo alone would be around 1200 US tons, not including the weight of the cars. (That's even scarier if its in metric tons!) I get some things are fudged because train game, but other things go Deep into hardcore sim. You'd think it'd be closer on the other bits.
Meh, things I think about while watching someone else play a train game. 😁
Hyce shunting? [Sniff] [Sniff] …Smells like Kenosha
Damn, music is awesome in this one. I'm at 35:47 and have been wondering what the music title is for quite some time, would you tell me please?
That's a very new one that's not completed... title is still WIP. We shall see :)
You can place the EOT lanterns on couplers by right clicking. It doesn't work with the regular lanterns for some reason though.
Also,(while chanting and waving big sportsball fan foam finger)...DE6...DE6....DE6...
2:11: Hyce 😍courting an SO6O 🤣
Hey Hyce, just wanted to suggest a video idea with Kan and the race series use the s282 rearranged mod and give Kan a whole lesson on how all of the wheel arrangements change different things and traction effort and then you both have to pick your choice of wheel arrangement
oooo bunch of new(?) music in this one! Love to hear it.
Would love the DE-6
almost had a "deja vu" moment lol
3:53 Hyce engages maximum hubris.
When are you going to get the caboose from the shed?
54:17 Bless you!
The advantage of running backwards is that the boiler won't blow up in your face.
Viewer: HEy hyce, hows the first military job?
Hyce: IT SMELLS LIKE KENOSHA!!
You know what would compliment derail valley? A new map for multiplayer with a double track main where you go fast and do races. Probably won't happen though.
MP isn't ever going to be made by the Devs. However... Multiplayer mod and map mods are a thing...
Just so you know Hyce you can use the scroll wheel and right and left click to use the Fee terminal. Left lick to advance the menu. Rick click to go back, and scroll to go up or down.
you have to be very specifically positioned to do that. if you're just slightly too far then it won't work.
@@AkariEnderwolf I have no issues, but yes you have to be right up to it.
DE6, you have MU and the slug, I high key wanna see near real length freight hauls just to see how close to getting the time bonuses for them all you can get
so lucky that you can catchup the train
I've been waitig for you to buy the DE6
With how often you need to put lanterns on the end of your train, it might be worth purchasing the end of train lantern. I think you can have more than one?
You can have 3.
it's been a while since this was posted, so idk who will see this, but that little shelf on the back wall of the S0-6-0 works great as a spot to put a lanter.
There's a setting that disables the highlighted controls, it looks nice once you know where all the things are
Your build a world video was pretty funny
I swear Hyce could make operational instructions for the steam engines in game
Love how the first part of this video it's called dark simulator
DE6 + Slug + All the tonnage might be fun.
Also, how much does that remote control cost? Asking for a friend.
25k if I recall correctly.
If you get many more brakemen or conductors you might have to do two columns so the names don't break the sound barrier 🤣
I know, we already used *all* of End of the Line, lol!
Hearing Smells Like Kenosha just makes me thing of the "Get ready everyone, he's about to do something stupid." meme....
28:21 A Choo-choo-lu, if you will
I want to see hyce dunk a loco in the turntable well
PLEASE BUY THE DE6! DE6 and Slug are going to be utter heaven for you
DE6+Slug shunting!
Mmm that intro tune 🤔💯
If you’ve been watching the series from start to finish, you remember this 1:00:03
I would love to see you play railroad zone line with him the new man
Hi Hyce looking forward to the finish product for the Montezuma. Have you also seen the new update for Railroads Online
DE6 has my vote so you can do the massive hauls
I leaarned about unlubricated valve gear the same day Kan did ... and then I spent this whole video hearing valve gear.