I encourage you all to continue praying for the Church and its leaders, for they are human and are prone to errors just like us. Your faith should be in Christ and not the leaders of the Church! Why should you leave the Catholic church because of someone else's sin??
Everyone loves be a zealot and prove their way is the only "see see my way it right and you are wrong - latin is the only Mass" Lets go the way to the "The New Pope" series on TV then...
The person who is complaining about Bishop Fisher what does he believe.You can’t blame Bishop Fisher on such flimsy evidence .Why not remove McCarrick from the Church and Cupich and Martin .What has Bishop Fisher done wrong
The people that are in charge of the parishes in Buffalo were the people put there to block any endeavor of faithful Catholics to evangelize and rebuild the diocese. I left to find teachings to help our efforts only to discover these same people were the financially paying for the exploitation and abuse of the Church, her clergy, and her financial resources. The scandals basically were financed by these people. It’s the lay leaders that were in place that hurt diocese so so much for that experiment.
Why the poor attendance? In my Diocese Churches filled back up after covid. Took a while for people to come back. Was a huge mistake closing up churches during that time. What happened to trust in God? Grew up hearing about Saints that charged forward and didn't cut and run.
Not sure why these people are so mad. The diocese needs to have money in its coffers. If you have no money, there will be no diocese. In regards to the priest shortage, I’m not sure what the Holy See can do about that in Buffalo. These people are crazy. If they get their way they will not have a diocese left!
If everyone leaves, we have no Church. You cannot serve two masters, mammon and Christ. We must serve Christ, then and only then will the needs be fulfilled. Deus vult.
We know the Church will survive. The Church needs money. Bills need to get paid, employees need to be paid. Catholics are some of the worst when it comes to donating money. People forget about the business side of church affairs. I have the same issue with the SSVP. People want to just give everything to everyone and spend all the money because “God will provide” and outcome exceeds income, and come October and November we’re engaging in creative finance stressed out trying to make sure that cheques won’t bounce and we’re panicking for donations and having to cut down on helping people and turn people away because we have no money. It was even worse when the food pantry was run by the parish, which allowed them to rack up a deficit.
Over 60,000 dollars just to hear the Church in our 10 months of cold. Then when they don’t get their way they block the collections. Then they cry when we report, hey the utility company shut off the power we can’t afford the place. I had no choice but to help write the proposal to sell our own school building. Either that or no sacraments. You guys forced this decision!! Who takes the hit of abuse??? We do the the Church the people sacrificing our lives for you. The only thing the people on the altar receive is the exploitation and abuse from the people in the pews. I spent everything I had on Catholic education to serve these people and these same people did everything they could to hurt me. It’s an extremely cruel situation.
Conservative Catholics are the biggest hypocrites God ever created. 🙄 The self-righteous hypocrisy of conservatives permeates throughout all of Christendom.
True. Bishops lament the shortage of priests and ask us to pray for vocations. And on the other hand they cancel and sideline good priests, reverent and pious who courageously preach Christ’s truth.
The sad part is they aren’t real. They lied to us. Secret marriages, homosexuality, surrogacy, multiple women, babies all over the country, IVF research, the abuse of the university system, and the blocking of authentic vocations, the denial of pastoral care to the people, lack of proper teaching, confusing the faith, and being controlled by donor money from the people put in charge of the parishes to control who can join.
As far as I can tell from this media story, which has the potential to further discourage local Catholics, the Bishop deserves support. God bless you Bishop.
The IRS removing the Buffalo Catholic diocese 501 (c)3 status needs to happen with Letitia James demanding it along with Kathy Hochul and stand up to Biden if they’re strong enough.
Easy to complain-hence why men who r appointed bishops and upon asked to confirm their appointment they now are declining. He has 165 parishes and 106 active priests. I have classmates and friends who now are retiring due to stress, exhaustion and depression. In the last quarter of this year 3 American bishops retired before their 75th mandatory retirement age due to illness or exhaustion. For those who are calling for a married or female clergy, please refer to the Anglican and Lutheran communions that already allow those groups to be admitted into ordination and you will see they are far worse that we are presently doing.
The responsibility to evangelize is not the soul responsibility of the Bishop. The lay faithful share in that responsibility to bring people into or back to the Church and into a deeper relationship with Jesus.
Just mention to another Catholic that Jesus has helped you through what ever problem you have had...answered prayers because of praying to Jesus and they look at you as though you have two heads. One Catholic friend told me to not believe the Bible because it was written by men. 😶 She really doesn't believe it is the Word of God . I have no idea where she thinks our faith comes from . I miss the prayer groups that were so abundant and taught us more about experiencing the Holy Spirit. Anyway, Keep the Faith !
@@redsandrock8073 the Bible itself is not the Word of God. It’s an account of the Word of God. The Word of God is a person: Jesus Christ, the Word made Flesh, Who dwelt among us. The only ones who believe that the Bible itself is the living, breathing, Word of God are Protestants. For 2000 years, the Church has taught that it’s not the Word of God, but merely an account of the Word. You can also tell that person that there are texts whose authorship we are not certain about. Even some of Paul’s letters we aren’t sure if they were actually written by Paul. It’s very possible it could have been a woman writing in Paul’s name in order to add greater authority to the letter, a practice which was very common at the time of the New Testament. Not that that should matter whether it was all only written by men anyway. Sounds like she has had some major personal problems with men, for which she is in dire need of healing.
@@medaelmtree1538 ”Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ Proverbs 30:5 ESV ”He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.“ Revelation 19:13 ESV I have been healed physically as I read the Living Word.
Covering the costs of sexual abuse is very expensive! Why aren’t people looking to their local parish and pastor for solutions? Much can be done on a local level and the laity in the parish. Start ministries and evangelize at your parish. You cannot blame the Bishop for lackluster RCIA attendance. Unfortunately, secularism is everywhere. Blaming the Bishop is not a proactive approach. Form a committee at your parish to think of ways that will encourage Mass attendance such as a simple coffee social after Mass. Search the internet to see what other parishes are doing. You may get an idea that will work for your parish. The church needs to remain financially stable in the midst of any crisis and that is the responsibility of the Bishop. But the laity can do much to improve the conditions on a local level.
Unfortunately, most Catholic bishops are chosen not because of holiness of life, or apostolic zeal for the salvation of souls, but because they are good in functioning as a CEO whose main responsibility is to keep the bureaucracy from falling to pieces .
Michael Taheri is delusional if he thinks it's the fault of anyone but the pedophile priests and those that covered up their crimes that have scared the city of Buffalo for low attendance and confirmation rates. How could I send my child somewhere I fear for their safety?! Tell them that these people are good and holy and true but in truth they are the most evilest of monsters?!
Blame Vatican II, when the predatory priest scandal (as mentioned in the video) has been a major hit to the church and cause of financial hardship and loss of members. But instead you prefer to stayed bigoted and rooted in your “tradition”.
Since when did the Catholic Church become like these independent evangelical protestant churches where the parishioners can judge and then hire and fire the ministers? The Catholic Church has a hierarchy where people like the Cardinal (in this case Cardinal Dolan), have authority over the bishops and can report to the Holy See or the Pope if he sees any issues or problems with a particular bishop. The Church governs within itself. As for their being no catechumens for Easter, would not the pastor of the individual parishes bear the most fault and/or responsibility?
Since the introduction of constitutional republics and the termination of monarchy. Not saying that's bad, but it just comes with the culture. Especially as an American, were very anti-authority and the Church is a theocracy. Took me awhile to trust that God will never let "the gates of hell" befall the Church, despite evil and/or incompetent people running it.
The letter doesn’t mean Bishop Fisher is being removed. They’re asking that he be investigated. It would still be the hierarchy that makes the decision
@@betwixt-the-lions What are you talking about? My comment did not use ANY gender reference for the Church. I used the words 'the Catholic Church' 'the Church' and 'parishes.' No gender reference whatever.
I don't know why parishioners are so attached to brick and mortar when the true Church is flesh, blood and souls. Would parishioners rather the Church go bankrupt? These civil suits are costly. The devil has been at work and the damages he made are vastly egregious. When the shepherd's hired hands are wolves in hired hand's apparel the work force that is left is few and the ruins the wolves have made to the folds and pastures must be justly restored. Some pastures must be sold to fund the repairs needed at the same time better efficient use of the work force may be employed. It's a painful process not only for the sheep but the shepherd. Remember who our enemies are, Satan and his demons not the shepherds. Striking the shepherd further makes the sheep scatter. We need solidarity in times as these. A common enemy creates aliances among the embittered factions. Satan is the common enemy. Let the Church stand united defiant towards the devil the defiler. St Michael the Archangel fight for us.
Instead of praying for the church & the clergy, these people are just mouthing off their grievances. They will never help or give a solution. Bad mouthing the clergy will not be taken lightly by our Lord and Saviour.
This is what modernism has done to the church. By their fruits, you will know. Even though the latin mass community has issues, their fruit is good. Large families, new converts, vocations of religious women, brothers, and priests.
@mgdblsya7419 isn't that what the modernist are doing they think folk music, like Simon and Garfunkel, will attract the young. Go and see Bishop Barrons' interview with Shia LaBeouf. What he says about the TLM is my experience. Also, if a church isn't crying, it is dying. Don't you want vocations?
Its not the bishops fault that the Church is being sued. Lawyers went after us because we own the most real estate. 😢 Splitter churches are 10 × more likely to make these horrible abuses, but they dont bother the news about it either.
Yes it is the bishops fault. They move offending priests around and filter out questionable men in the seminaries. I hold bishops personally responsible for the mess we are now experiencing.
I hate to break it to these people but a diocese is a business. The diocese has to have enough money to operate. Parushes that don’t have people in the pews are going to be closed or combined. That’s the reality of the Catholic Church. And what does the Bishop have to do with how many people are in RCIA? Then throw in lawsuits. I’m not sure that any bishop could meet such unrealistic expectations.
Talk about a straw man. HOW do these parishoners think a Church is supposed to function with empty coffers? The mentality is spellbinding. I mean, where do these people think the money is going to come from? Do they genuinely believe they're going to pray it into being? This gives new meaning to the term "atrophied minds."
I am one of the people inside in a lay person in the diocese of St. Petersburg here in Florida no churches are closing mass is it our SRO at Latin mass is nonexistent
Given the lack of response from the nuncio when we wrote him following a major scandal and cover up in Mississippi a few years ago I don’t foresee this changing things, but we will see. The bishop who was involved is still the bishop in Jackson, MS, and because of this our family is now Methodist. I just couldn’t stay when I saw in my own parish cover ups still happening.
While I agree with all you say, remember that your Catholic faith is rooted in Christ and not mere man. If your faith depends on any man, even the Pope, prepare to be disappointed.
good luck... the pope will not listen to you. All they do is close churches. Mine - 109 years old and the most beautiful church in our parish group - was not only closed down, but was RIPPED DOWN...
I thought you found Jesus Christ by kneeling before the Tabernacle and praying at Mass and going to confession .Really have a think about it the Catholic Church my Church is known for its lies and coverups .Pope Francis will protect Homosexual Clergy but a priest who is Heterosexual and normal he treats like Judas .
If bishop Fisher isnot a “good bishop , turn th deff ear to his words , close your eyes to his doings snd not-doings(civil -protest) if you do not back up he loose authority automatically!
Lots of comments about poor attendance. If people don't end up comng back to church, other growing faorh groups will just use the buildings. At that point, dont complain about where America is going.
Declining attendance is a problem all over, and it's primarily due to the Church being perceived (please note the use of 'word "perceived") by increasing numbers of people as irrelevant to their lives. It's problems are manifold and its just piling on to try to blame any person for a problem that has been created by the Church itself and been in progress for several decades. Second, given the widespread abuse scandal within the Church, and the number of victims involved, spending $15 million just to settle claims is a pittance, and you can bet more is going to be paid. So, again the money this parish has to pay out is hardly set by the Bishop (it's a court thing), nor is the pace of legal proceedings, unless the Church is dragging it out. Third, it would be ridiculous to blame for Fischer for the shortage of priests, if that is what is being said. The complaints on fewer masses were somewhat foggy. So, you can't fault Fisher for for declining attendance or costs for a scandal that was not his doing. However, if indeed there is no work at all being done on evangelization, that is a matter that needs to be corrected ASAP, and I'm sure the Pope will check into that.
The role of catholics is inspire catholics to grow the flock through their efforts as well as the church. What these parishioners have done is the exact opposite.
As a Catholic I advise buffalo Catholics to STOP giving money. Designate your donations to your parish for hydro, priest salary etc. Make sure no money goes downtown.
As a Catholic, this is NOT what you do if the Bishop is bad. The Bishop is accused of running the Church like a business, and now you want to treat it like a business too? Keep giving money as we are supposed to. The Lord works through us fallen human being every day. And pray for the Bishops!
Knock it off. This is an example of proceeding without full information, attacking the one who has full information and in the role of having to contend with it, and the media is giving it legs.
@yvonetubla7682 People that obstinately and publically engaged in mortal sins against the faith throughout their lives may not be considered saints, especially if there is no evidence of repentance and conversion.
This is a global problem. What is lingering among the clergy is remnants of Feudalism, Crusades, Inquisition, Colonialism, the Galileo episode, slavery in the USA etc. Their formation gives greater focus on "administration" rather than spirituality. As a result "clericalism" is widespread among the clergy. To overcome this problem a few changes are required in their formation. 1. Renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:2). One must think right to practice right. 2. 40 day fasting prior to ordination. This will eliminate a lot of "attachments". 3. Deep spiritual cleansing and sanctification during formation. 4. Focus on spirituality.
this is not at all the issue. These things do not at all linger in our communities and there is no proof of that. This is simply personal error and a lack of general focus on spirituality. My diocese (Diocese of Austin) is very well focused on such, but I agree with your solutions, just not what caused it. The catholic church was against slavery, we did not commit any "inquisition" we sent peaceful Jesuits to evangelize, and Galileo was working under the church institution teaching the wrong theory (heliocentrism) which is still wrong by today's scientific standards.
You must be joking. "Clericalism" is the problem? The attitude of the clergy today couldn't be more anti-clerical. Most parish "ministries" are ran by liberal lay women. Modernism abounds. Catechism is a joke. The post-Vatican II mindset has been an absolute disaster. Your comment sounds like it was written by a chatbot programmed by a leftist. Feudalism and the Inquisition? That's what you're reminded of concerning the modern clergy? I'm shocked that someone could see reality as so perfectly inverse of what it actually is.
Instead of complaining about the Bishop, the faithful should demand better vetting of the Seminarians wanting to be Priests. No Church should be as lacking as the Catholic Church. These seminaries and the priests who were instructing these students knew very well that many of the potential priests had sexual problems but chose to look the other way.
Guess what, I left the Norvus Ordo 24 years ago. I went to tradition and started attending the SSPX. Been there ever since. We have plenty of vocations and strong well trained new Priests being ordained every year. Our parishes are well attended and our schools are not closing. Lots of young families coming into the traditional faith. Our families have lots of children, some have double digits. I dont live in the Buffalo area now, but I started my journey (with God's grace and the help of our Lady right there in Buffalo. I attended Our Lady of the rosary SSPX chapel. Having come from the Norvus Ordo and a once Catholic family I have seen both "faiths". The only siblings who haven't lost the faith are in tradition and the Laton Mass. The others like all my neighbors who grew up in my once Catholic neighborhood have all lost the faith. The rotten fruits of the new Mass are evident everywhere you look. By your fruits you shall know them. Go back to tradition and save your soul, or stay in the new church and wallow in its long decaying death.
Your anecdotal observations don't match the statistics. From what I've read, the "Traditional" Latin Mass traces its roots back to the 7th century and was standardized largely by the Council of Trent in the 16th century as a reaction to Martin Luther's rebellion. During the Roman Empire, Latin became the common language among inhabitants. As that fell apart and over time, only the educated (i.e. upper classes) were learning it. By the 1960s, this language was no longer taught to young children and very few older than them knew it. Most importantly, the laity had lost the historical perspective and thus meaning behind the rigid ceremonial rituals. That is why the 2ndVC attendees thought it was very important to make changes including returning to the common language of local laity. Published statistics do not show this change caused any drop let alone a significant one in attendance/membership. They also do not show the Latin Mass has been attracting a significant number to attend. I've yet to cross paths with anyone who joined or left the Catholic Church over the (un)availability of the Latin Mass. Over time, number drops coincided with some sort of societal shock like occurred with 'Rona. It has been happening simultaneously in Catholic and Protestant Churches. Suggest adding this lie you've been repeating for probably decades to your confessional list. If you do not understand fully all the words and the historical meaning for all the rituals, suggest adding that you've been insulting the Lord every time when attending Latin Mass.
Blame the abuse on false Shepherd’s brought in by anti-Pope John XXIII, and every false Pope after him, including Francis, as he femininely gives us half-truths.
Bitter Table for One - who hurt you? The Pope is the Pope stop crying about not getting another fool like that last couple of Popes they endorsed child abuse coverups and were corrupt in the Vatican Bank Scandals not to mention the way they treat religious women in the Church.
I recommend that the faithful take several steps back, some deep cleansing breaths and consider that asking that a so-so bishop be removed might leave them much worse off. (What if the Pope sent Wilting Gregory to Buffalo?) The faithful need to enroll a major portion of the parish families in grass-roots efforts to fill the pews; fill the adoration chapels; and attract "on fire" priests to come minister to them! And above all, it seems that many members of the parish (from the bishop to the occasional "bench warmer" have resisted the Holy Spirit's call to be submissive. jus' sayin'
It's easy to complain about a bishop when Catholics are leaving in droves. It's happening all over the country, especially in the Northeast. The only person interviewed, described as a missionary, complains about how few new people are.comkng into the Buffalo Church. He's a MISSIONARY! Why hasn't he brought any in. Also, if he's operating as a missionary in the Diocese, he's serving at the behest and direction of the bishop who is the object of his scorn. I suspect the people opposed to the bishop are out of touch with the reality of the Catholic Church in the USA and the hard decisions bishops are forced to make.
I encourage you all to continue praying for the Church and its leaders, for they are human and are prone to errors just like us. Your faith should be in Christ and not the leaders of the Church! Why should you leave the Catholic church because of someone else's sin??
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Meanwhile traditional Latin Masses are thriving.
This is not an issue in the Buffalo diocese.
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Everyone loves be a zealot and prove their way is the only "see see my way it right and you are wrong - latin is the only Mass" Lets go the way to the "The New Pope" series on TV then...
No, they are not.
Bishop Lori just banned the Latin Mass in the Archdiocese of Baltimore; citing Borgolio's guidance.
Because of sinful men we see Churches being sold and destroyed in great numbers. It is sad and infuriating.
The person who is complaining about Bishop Fisher what does he believe.You can’t blame Bishop Fisher on such flimsy evidence .Why not remove McCarrick from the Church and Cupich and Martin .What has Bishop Fisher done wrong
Ain’t gonna happen!
The people that are in charge of the parishes in Buffalo were the people put there to block any endeavor of faithful Catholics to evangelize and rebuild the diocese. I left to find teachings to help our efforts only to discover these same people were the financially paying for the exploitation and abuse of the Church, her clergy, and her financial resources. The scandals basically were financed by these people. It’s the lay leaders that were in place that hurt diocese so so much for that experiment.
A lot of churches are experiencing poor attendance after the pandemic and economy, and Rising crime
Why the poor attendance? In my Diocese Churches filled back up after covid. Took a while for people to come back. Was a huge mistake closing up churches during that time. What happened to trust in God? Grew up hearing about Saints that charged forward and didn't cut and run.
Not sure why these people are so mad. The diocese needs to have money in its coffers. If you have no money, there will be no diocese. In regards to the priest shortage, I’m not sure what the Holy See can do about that in Buffalo. These people are crazy. If they get their way they will not have a diocese left!
If everyone leaves, we have no Church. You cannot serve two masters, mammon and Christ. We must serve Christ, then and only then will the needs be fulfilled. Deus vult.
We know the Church will survive. The Church needs money. Bills need to get paid, employees need to be paid. Catholics are some of the worst when it comes to donating money. People forget about the business side of church affairs. I have the same issue with the SSVP. People want to just give everything to everyone and spend all the money because “God will provide” and outcome exceeds income, and come October and November we’re engaging in creative finance stressed out trying to make sure that cheques won’t bounce and we’re panicking for donations and having to cut down on helping people and turn people away because we have no money. It was even worse when the food pantry was run by the parish, which allowed them to rack up a deficit.
Over 60,000 dollars just to hear the Church in our 10 months of cold. Then when they don’t get their way they block the collections. Then they cry when we report, hey the utility company shut off the power we can’t afford the place. I had no choice but to help write the proposal to sell our own school building. Either that or no sacraments. You guys forced this decision!! Who takes the hit of abuse??? We do the the Church the people sacrificing our lives for you. The only thing the people on the altar receive is the exploitation and abuse from the people in the pews. I spent everything I had on Catholic education to serve these people and these same people did everything they could to hurt me. It’s an extremely cruel situation.
If the Pope and his bishops stopped firing conservative priests there wouldn't be such a low number.
Conservative Catholics are the biggest hypocrites God ever created. 🙄
The self-righteous hypocrisy of conservatives permeates throughout all of Christendom.
True. Bishops lament the shortage of priests and ask us to pray for vocations. And on the other hand they cancel and sideline good priests, reverent and pious who courageously preach Christ’s truth.
The sad part is they aren’t real. They lied to us. Secret marriages, homosexuality, surrogacy, multiple women, babies all over the country, IVF research, the abuse of the university system, and the blocking of authentic vocations, the denial of pastoral care to the people, lack of proper teaching, confusing the faith, and being controlled by donor money from the people put in charge of the parishes to control who can join.
Participation in churches is in decline as it is. I don't think that's the fault of one bishop.
As far as I can tell from this media story, which has the potential to further discourage local Catholics, the Bishop deserves support. God bless you Bishop.
106 active priests? The STATE next door has only 44 last time I heard a number. It's gonna get a lot worse, folks....
The IRS removing the Buffalo Catholic diocese 501 (c)3 status needs to happen with Letitia James demanding it along with Kathy Hochul and stand up to Biden if they’re strong enough.
We get the leaders we deserve
Let us start, by cleaning pride in our own heart, our own sins. Maybe we have more work to do than this bishop, only God knows.
Amen
Easy to complain-hence why men who r appointed bishops and upon asked to confirm their appointment they now are declining. He has 165 parishes and 106 active priests. I have classmates and friends who now are retiring due to stress, exhaustion and depression. In the last quarter of this year 3 American bishops retired before their 75th mandatory retirement age due to illness or exhaustion. For those who are calling for a married or female clergy, please refer to the Anglican and Lutheran communions that already allow those groups to be admitted into ordination and you will see they are far worse that we are presently doing.
Nobody’s ever satisfied!
You are so right! 😢
For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world! Amen
The responsibility to evangelize is not the soul responsibility of the Bishop. The lay faithful share in that responsibility to bring people into or back to the Church and into a deeper relationship with Jesus.
Just mention to another Catholic that Jesus has helped you through what ever problem you have had...answered prayers because of praying to Jesus and they look at you as though you have two heads. One Catholic friend told me to not believe the Bible because it was
written by men. 😶 She really doesn't believe it is the Word of God . I have no idea where she thinks our faith comes from . I miss the
prayer groups that were so abundant and taught us more about experiencing the Holy Spirit. Anyway, Keep the Faith !
@@redsandrock8073 the Bible itself is not the Word of God. It’s an account of the Word of God. The Word of God is a person: Jesus Christ, the Word made Flesh, Who dwelt among us. The only ones who believe that the Bible itself is the living, breathing, Word of God are Protestants. For 2000 years, the Church has taught that it’s not the Word of God, but merely an account of the Word. You can also tell that person that there are texts whose authorship we are not certain about. Even some of Paul’s letters we aren’t sure if they were actually written by Paul. It’s very possible it could have been a woman writing in Paul’s name in order to add greater authority to the letter, a practice which was very common at the time of the New Testament. Not that that should matter whether it was all only written by men anyway. Sounds like she has had some major personal problems with men, for which she is in dire need of healing.
@@medaelmtree1538 ”Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“
Proverbs 30:5 ESV
”He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.“
Revelation 19:13 ESV
I have been healed physically as I read the Living Word.
Covering the costs of sexual abuse is very expensive! Why aren’t people looking to their local parish and pastor for solutions? Much can be done on a local level and the laity in the parish. Start ministries and evangelize at your parish. You cannot blame the Bishop for lackluster RCIA attendance. Unfortunately, secularism is everywhere. Blaming the Bishop is not a proactive approach. Form a committee at your parish to think of ways that will encourage Mass attendance such as a simple coffee social after Mass. Search the internet to see what other parishes are doing. You may get an idea that will work for your parish. The church needs to remain financially stable in the midst of any crisis and that is the responsibility of the Bishop. But the laity can do much to improve the conditions on a local level.
Thank you. Yes.
Unfortunately, most Catholic bishops are chosen not because of holiness of life, or apostolic zeal for the salvation of souls, but because they are good in functioning as a CEO whose main responsibility is to keep the bureaucracy from falling to pieces .
Is it Bishop Fisher's fault that he has to pay catholic abuse victims what they are owed?
Michael Taheri is delusional if he thinks it's the fault of anyone but the pedophile priests and those that covered up their crimes that have scared the city of Buffalo for low attendance and confirmation rates. How could I send my child somewhere I fear for their safety?! Tell them that these people are good and holy and true but in truth they are the most evilest of monsters?!
No. Stop being narcissistic. SUPPORT 900+ “God’s Children” whose lives your Catholic Diocese willfully destroyed!!!!!!!
I don't understand why money is involved in this, SA cases are criminal case, no? Why not jailed the guilty priest and be done with it?
@@albertusr6178Victims are entitled to financial compensation from the church whose duty it was to supervise.
@@JohnParks-zc1pn but do the guilty priests go to jail?
Vatican II really brought the people back to the church didn’t it? The Protestant influenced Novus Ordo has been a failure.
Blame Vatican II, when the predatory priest scandal (as mentioned in the video) has been a major hit to the church and cause of financial hardship and loss of members. But instead you prefer to stayed bigoted and rooted in your “tradition”.
Since when did the Catholic Church become like these independent evangelical protestant churches where the parishioners can judge and then hire and fire the ministers? The Catholic Church has a hierarchy where people like the Cardinal (in this case Cardinal Dolan), have authority over the bishops and can report to the Holy See or the Pope if he sees any issues or problems with a particular bishop. The Church governs within itself.
As for their being no catechumens for Easter, would not the pastor of the individual parishes bear the most fault and/or responsibility?
Since the introduction of constitutional republics and the termination of monarchy. Not saying that's bad, but it just comes with the culture. Especially as an American, were very anti-authority and the Church is a theocracy. Took me awhile to trust that God will never let "the gates of hell" befall the Church, despite evil and/or incompetent people running it.
The letter doesn’t mean Bishop Fisher is being removed. They’re asking that he be investigated. It would still be the hierarchy that makes the decision
They aren't firing him, they are going up the chain of command. That's always been a thing
Please do not misgender Mother Church. She is feminine: pronouns "she/her" according to the sacred liturgy. 🕊️
@@betwixt-the-lions What are you talking about? My comment did not use ANY gender reference for the Church. I used the words 'the Catholic Church' 'the Church' and 'parishes.' No gender reference whatever.
I don't know why parishioners are so attached to brick and mortar when the true Church is flesh, blood and souls. Would parishioners rather the Church go bankrupt? These civil suits are costly. The devil has been at work and the damages he made are vastly egregious. When the shepherd's hired hands are wolves in hired hand's apparel the work force that is left is few and the ruins the wolves have made to the folds and pastures must be justly restored. Some pastures must be sold to fund the repairs needed at the same time better efficient use of the work force may be employed. It's a painful process not only for the sheep but the shepherd. Remember who our enemies are, Satan and his demons not the shepherds. Striking the shepherd further makes the sheep scatter. We need solidarity in times as these. A common enemy creates aliances among the embittered factions. Satan is the common enemy. Let the Church stand united defiant towards the devil the defiler.
St Michael the Archangel fight for us.
I hope they show both sides.
Instead of praying for the church & the clergy, these people are just mouthing off their grievances. They will never help or give a solution. Bad mouthing the clergy will not be taken lightly by our Lord and Saviour.
Don't be so sure. The questions are necessary.
This is what modernism has done to the church. By their fruits, you will know. Even though the latin mass community has issues, their fruit is good. Large families, new converts, vocations of religious women, brothers, and priests.
Large families are not good.
Not everyone wants to go back to the past just because some people want to.
We will return to Tradition. Deus vult.
I'm beginning to believe you
@mgdblsya7419 isn't that what the modernist are doing they think folk music, like Simon and Garfunkel, will attract the young. Go and see Bishop Barrons' interview with Shia LaBeouf. What he says about the TLM is my experience. Also, if a church isn't crying, it is dying. Don't you want vocations?
Just like the Sacramento Diocese.
Its not the bishops fault that the Church is being sued. Lawyers went after us because we own the most real estate. 😢
Splitter churches are 10 × more likely to make these horrible abuses, but they dont bother the news about it either.
Yes it is the bishops fault. They move offending priests around and filter out questionable men in the seminaries. I hold bishops personally responsible for the mess we are now experiencing.
I hate to break it to these people but a diocese is a business. The diocese has to have enough money to operate. Parushes that don’t have people in the pews are going to be closed or combined. That’s the reality of the Catholic Church. And what does the Bishop have to do with how many people are in RCIA? Then throw in lawsuits. I’m not sure that any bishop could meet such unrealistic expectations.
This: How to undermine your Diocese while your leadership is contending with heavy realities.
What POPE Grancis. He would give that Bishop an upgrade!
Talk about a straw man. HOW do these parishoners think a Church is supposed to function with empty coffers? The mentality is spellbinding. I mean, where do these people think the money is going to come from? Do they genuinely believe they're going to pray it into being? This gives new meaning to the term "atrophied minds."
Please 🙏 remember Father Joe Moreno.
I am one of the people inside in a lay person in the diocese of St. Petersburg here in Florida no churches are closing mass is it our SRO at Latin mass is nonexistent
It would be good to have the contact for the missions guy.
Just pray and be the change you want… blame is not the way.
Same old thing coming from home.
Stop giving to the parishes and the archdiocese. That will get the local church's attention.
Money talks even in Catholicism
Pray fast and give alms
That will literally just make things worse. The whole problem is the fact Buffalo has no money
Given the lack of response from the nuncio when we wrote him following a major scandal and cover up in Mississippi a few years ago I don’t foresee this changing things, but we will see. The bishop who was involved is still the bishop in Jackson, MS, and because of this our family is now Methodist. I just couldn’t stay when I saw in my own parish cover ups still happening.
While I agree with all you say, remember that your Catholic faith is rooted in Christ and not mere man. If your faith depends on any man, even the Pope, prepare to be disappointed.
good luck... the pope will not listen to you. All they do is close churches. Mine - 109 years old and the most beautiful church in our parish group - was not only closed down, but was RIPPED DOWN...
They will rip the Churches down and sell the land .Then when the Church is broke they will walk away .
I thought you found Jesus Christ by kneeling before the Tabernacle and praying at Mass and going to confession .Really have a think about it the Catholic Church my Church is known for its lies and coverups .Pope Francis will protect Homosexual Clergy but a priest who is Heterosexual and normal he treats like Judas .
Get rid of Zubik and Cupich too
Ain’t gonna happen!
100%
This is going on everywhere. These bishops are being put in place precisely to make these cuts. Francis isn’t going to help.
If bishop Fisher isnot a “good bishop , turn th deff ear to his words , close your eyes to his doings snd not-doings(civil -protest) if you do not back up he loose authority automatically!
These bishops cannot keep slipping by......
Lots of comments about poor attendance. If people don't end up comng back to church, other growing faorh groups will just use the buildings. At that point, dont complain about where America is going.
Declining attendance is a problem all over, and it's primarily due to the Church being perceived (please note the use of 'word "perceived") by increasing numbers of people as irrelevant to their lives. It's problems are manifold and its just piling on to try to blame any person for a problem that has been created by the Church itself and been in progress for several decades.
Second, given the widespread abuse scandal within the Church, and the number of victims involved, spending $15 million just to settle claims is a pittance, and you can bet more is going to be paid. So, again the money this parish has to pay out is hardly set by the Bishop (it's a court thing), nor is the pace of legal proceedings, unless the Church is dragging it out.
Third, it would be ridiculous to blame for Fischer for the shortage of priests, if that is what is being said. The complaints on fewer masses were somewhat foggy.
So, you can't fault Fisher for for declining attendance or costs for a scandal that was not his doing. However, if indeed there is no work at all being done on evangelization, that is a matter that needs to be corrected ASAP, and I'm sure the Pope will check into that.
Holiness not numbers. Mother Teresa
Save St. Casimirs!!
No. Stop being narcissistic. SUPPORT 900+ “God’s Children” whose lives your Catholic Diocese willfully destroyed!!!!!!!
The role of catholics is inspire catholics to grow the flock through their efforts as well as the church. What these parishioners have done is the exact opposite.
Yeah, but the Pope is even worse.
The hirelings always fail the flock.
As a Catholic I advise buffalo Catholics to STOP giving money. Designate your donations to your parish for hydro, priest salary etc. Make sure no money goes downtown.
As a Catholic, this is NOT what you do if the Bishop is bad. The Bishop is accused of running the Church like a business, and now you want to treat it like a business too? Keep giving money as we are supposed to. The Lord works through us fallen human being every day. And pray for the Bishops!
Knock it off. This is an example of proceeding without full information, attacking the one who has full information and in the role of having to contend with it, and the media is giving it legs.
Don't bother to designate because it will be ignored. You have to send it directly to priests. What the heck is hydro?
I kind of question the claim that the bishop is failing to evangelize. Seems like something else is going on
We removed a bishop in Memphis Tennessee. Big donors where threatning to with hold funds.
Send message to the Vatican! No Fiducia Suplicans lqbtxyz edict nor lqbtxyz blessings!
lemme guess your grasp of the english language is not sufficient enough to do theology
@@yvonetubla7682 lemme guess you think JPII was the greatest Pope of all time.
@@j.knight9335 thats saint jpii
@yvonetubla7682 People that obstinately and publically engaged in mortal sins against the faith throughout their lives may not be considered saints, especially if there is no evidence of repentance and conversion.
@@j.knight9335 thats mostly true but how is that related to saint jpii?
This is a global problem. What is lingering among the clergy is remnants of Feudalism, Crusades, Inquisition, Colonialism, the Galileo episode, slavery in the USA etc. Their formation gives greater focus on "administration" rather than spirituality. As a result "clericalism" is widespread among the clergy.
To overcome this problem a few changes are required in their formation.
1. Renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:2). One must think right to practice right.
2. 40 day fasting prior to ordination. This will eliminate a lot of "attachments".
3. Deep spiritual cleansing and sanctification during formation.
4. Focus on spirituality.
womp womp
this is not at all the issue. These things do not at all linger in our communities and there is no proof of that. This is simply personal error and a lack of general focus on spirituality. My diocese (Diocese of Austin) is very well focused on such, but I agree with your solutions, just not what caused it. The catholic church was against slavery, we did not commit any "inquisition" we sent peaceful Jesuits to evangelize, and Galileo was working under the church institution teaching the wrong theory (heliocentrism) which is still wrong by today's scientific standards.
You must be joking. "Clericalism" is the problem? The attitude of the clergy today couldn't be more anti-clerical. Most parish "ministries" are ran by liberal lay women. Modernism abounds. Catechism is a joke. The post-Vatican II mindset has been an absolute disaster. Your comment sounds like it was written by a chatbot programmed by a leftist. Feudalism and the Inquisition? That's what you're reminded of concerning the modern clergy? I'm shocked that someone could see reality as so perfectly inverse of what it actually is.
Complete rubbish
No the issue with the clergy today is the heresy od Modernism.
Instead of complaining about the Bishop, the faithful should demand better vetting of the Seminarians wanting to be Priests. No Church should be as lacking as the Catholic Church. These seminaries and the priests who were instructing these students knew very well that many of the potential priests had sexual problems but chose to look the other way.
It’s best for them to sell off all their assets and testify before a judge and jury “giving it to god” so to speak.
Guess what, I left the Norvus Ordo 24 years ago. I went to tradition and started attending the SSPX.
Been there ever since. We have plenty of vocations and strong well trained new Priests being ordained every year.
Our parishes are well attended and our schools are not closing. Lots of young families coming into the traditional faith. Our families have lots of children, some have double digits.
I dont live in the Buffalo area now, but I started my journey (with God's grace and the help of our Lady right there in Buffalo. I attended Our Lady of the rosary SSPX chapel.
Having come from the Norvus Ordo and a once Catholic family I have seen both "faiths". The only siblings who haven't lost the faith are in tradition and the Laton Mass. The others like all my neighbors who grew up in my once Catholic neighborhood have all lost the faith.
The rotten fruits of the new Mass are evident everywhere you look. By your fruits you shall know them.
Go back to tradition and save your soul, or stay in the new church and wallow in its long decaying death.
Your anecdotal observations don't match the statistics. From what I've read, the "Traditional" Latin Mass traces its roots back to the 7th century and was standardized largely by the Council of Trent in the 16th century as a reaction to Martin Luther's rebellion.
During the Roman Empire, Latin became the common language among inhabitants. As that fell apart and over time, only the educated (i.e. upper classes) were learning it. By the 1960s, this language was no longer taught to young children and very few older than them knew it. Most importantly, the laity had lost the historical perspective and thus meaning behind the rigid ceremonial rituals. That is why the 2ndVC attendees thought it was very important to make changes including returning to the common language of local laity.
Published statistics do not show this change caused any drop let alone a significant one in attendance/membership. They also do not show the Latin Mass has been attracting a significant number to attend. I've yet to cross paths with anyone who joined or left the Catholic Church over the (un)availability of the Latin Mass. Over time, number drops coincided with some sort of societal shock like occurred with 'Rona. It has been happening simultaneously in Catholic and Protestant Churches.
Suggest adding this lie you've been repeating for probably decades to your confessional list. If you do not understand fully all the words and the historical meaning for all the rituals, suggest adding that you've been insulting the Lord every time when attending Latin Mass.
A lot of bling in SSPX, hmmm …….
Lord, forgive those hypocrites who condemn others. Traditionalists catholics are the biggest hypocrites God ever created.
SSPX is schismatic and their confessions were not valid until 2016, though
Question: Is SSPX in communion with Rome?
Great points !! Good for Buffalo Catholics .
Blame the abuse on false Shepherd’s brought in by anti-Pope John XXIII, and every false Pope after him, including Francis, as he femininely gives us half-truths.
For real Truths, read the Encyclical’s of Pope Saint Pius XII.
What specifically makes John XXIII and his successors antipopes? Christ promised us that His Church would never fail (Matthew 16:18)
Continue calling Church leaders anti popes. Don't pray for them. Continue leading others astray, like being Pope is any easy.
Return to Latin Mass and reverent NO mass then the flock will start to come.
if a shepherd isn't doing his utmost best in a mission, then he must be removed from that vocation! period!
You might be better served if the Bishops removed the apostate Francis from his arrogance's throne!!!
Bitter Table for One - who hurt you? The Pope is the Pope stop crying about not getting another fool like that last couple of Popes they endorsed child abuse coverups and were corrupt in the Vatican Bank Scandals not to mention the way they treat religious women in the Church.
I recommend that the faithful take several steps back, some deep cleansing breaths and consider that asking that a so-so bishop be removed might leave them much worse off. (What if the Pope sent Wilting Gregory to Buffalo?)
The faithful need to enroll a major portion of the parish families in grass-roots efforts to fill the pews; fill the adoration chapels; and attract "on fire" priests to come minister to them!
And above all, it seems that many members of the parish (from the bishop to the occasional "bench warmer" have resisted the Holy Spirit's call to be submissive. jus' sayin'
It's easy to complain about a bishop when Catholics are leaving in droves. It's happening all over the country, especially in the Northeast. The only person interviewed, described as a missionary, complains about how few new people are.comkng into the Buffalo Church. He's a MISSIONARY! Why hasn't he brought any in. Also, if he's operating as a missionary in the Diocese, he's serving at the behest and direction of the bishop who is the object of his scorn. I suspect the people opposed to the bishop are out of touch with the reality of the Catholic Church in the USA and the hard decisions bishops are forced to make.