Political Radicalism Is Showing Us the Spirits | Jonathan Pageau &
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Brilliant. People DO go into disassociated states when they are agitated politically. I've seen it in myself as well.
Probably because political agitation puts many people into a “fight or flight” mode.
" I wanna be different just like all the different people". Brilliant. I once got into a discussion with a guy about his 'non-conformist' uniform. He was wearing all the costume/regalia of the non-conformist media issue clothing. He just couldn't/wouldn't understand where i was coming from.
So my husband and I are steadfastly ideologically punk. But we don't dress that way nor do we have any tattoos or piercings. My husband used to be in a hardcore metal band in his youth. His coworkers didn't understand what he meant when he thought it was too conformist to dress "like a punk." There was only one other coworker who was a bit older who was also punk and totally understood what he meant. What's the point of being punk if you dress the way you're "expected" to dress?
@@francestaylor9156 Exactly.
I was a hippie in my head only.
Person 1: “Spread Anarchy!!!”
Person 2: “Don’t tell me what to do!”
@@Demetra719 Hilarious!
Most people do not have ideas. Ideas have them.
Great JBP reference.
I don't want to be demon food...
Keep your mind on the kingdom
I think this should be on tee shirts 😃
Although I agree with this comment, although I feel there is truth in what Pageau is saying on this topic, I feel a sense of uneasiness. Why? When we speak on such topics we must remember we are fish swimming in our own stream, we know nothing of why people move in the ways by which they move, right or wrong. I feel this is why suffering is an important factor to existence. When we idolize our own perspectives, suffering has a way of knocking us off our podium. It's not that I totally support anyone who is, so called fluid, only that I should refrain from classifying anyone without first understanding what led them to where they are! It seems to me quick and thoughtless to call anyone demon food, without reflection on how or why. It may be by our own doing, by the judging the spec in our brothers eye, rather than the plank in our own, that reflects ill projections of what a follower of Christ should look like.
Nor their little b*tch 😬
@@joshdanaangstadt5109 well said brother in adam, muslim here, this understanding/realisation can help us understand each outher better, our faiths insights will be pretty valuable to each outher yn.
If you stand for nothing you can fall for anything.
I experience this with both liberals and conservatives
I do too. The internet has pushed everyone off into radical camps
Yes. Conservatives don't realize that they also have a programming they run through. The worst are the neocons that believe everything the news tells them even after everything that happened in 2020 and 2021. It's like they only know how to be possessed by the news man. It's bonkers.
Of course, because there is temptation of/from the right just as the left. It seems the temptation from the right is so insidious and not as obvious to those on the "right", though.
because conservatives of Friday are liberals of Thursday
@@matrixnorm6672 hmm, seems like it would be opposite..
It's a matter of identity. People extricated from identity born out of family/community are doomed to madness in today's world.
I think this verse parallels this well. You won't find yourself by looking out in the world.
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
Luke 17:20-21 KJV
This thumbnail generated by AI (Adobe) feels a bit odd
Spirit of furries is the most wicked spirit of all.
0:24 - that's what it means to be talking to an NPC (non-playable character). It's a term from gaming, in particular MMOs (massively multiplayer online games) where there are characters in the game that were created by the developers to fulfill certain roles such as giving out quests or selling goods. The analogy is quite apt because the character is totally scripted by developer and has no thoughts of their own. When you meet NPCs in real life, it's like talking to a scripted bot. It's crazy how they have no ideas of their own.
It's interesting that you're applying it to the spiritual realm. I've never seen anyone go that level of meta for the NPC analogy. Definitely something for me to chew on.
I remember watching a horde of people running through the streets and demanding that everyone raise their fists for BLM. They happened upon a lady sitting outside a restaurant. It was like a living hydra, undulating toward and away from the lady while hissing and cursing guttural slogans. It was like an acid trip.
2:03 - I had to fight off a mother who wanted to possess my life for herself. I was steadfastly my own person as a child with lots of berating from my mother as to why she hated my fashion sense and the interests I had. When you have to fight a physical manifestation of a demon trying to control your life, you figure out who you are if you are strong-willed enough. It's definitely not for the weak in spirit. There were definitely times I caved because I just didn't want to deal with the mental and emotional bs.
Dostoevsky saw this in "The Possessed" (a.k.a. "The Devils" or "Demons").
@@vivienneb6199 I was reading Fyodor Mikhailovich long before JP burst on the scene for refusing to use coerced speech.
@@vivienneb6199 As a Literature major in Uni., I can tell you that just because YOU heard about Dostoyevsky from JP or the deterrents, hundreds of millions of people regard him as one of the greatest writers in history and entirely unrelated to current Whose Who.. really, a stunningly ignorant comment..
@@vivienneb6199 lol so reading one of the best writer in history, is now a sign of being brainwashed by Peterson? thats absurd opinion.
@@vivienneb6199 I do not agree with most of the stuff he says, even less with Pageau, but Im interested in their opinions, You do not know anything about me and my worldview, but you generalized me as some JP fanboy, just because I love Russian literature, It is very sad if thats how you interact with other people. I did not take his words about possesion seriously, but now when I read your comments, I see this is actually good metaphore, You classified me as a stupid brainwashed person before I even said any opinion about anything (only about Dostoyevsky), You clearly do not have predisposition to think constructivly for yourself, You just assumed my worldview and you tried to ridicule me, think about it, because that not how adult people debate about anything.
@@vivienneb6199 I did not read "Notes from the Underground", from Solzenitzhyn only "Gulag Archipelago" my grandfather gave me this book when I was a kid, because it is very important book for him - He was persecuted by communist party. I tried to read Nietzshe "Zaratushtra" when I was younger, but it was to hard for me. It's funny that you associate Russian literature with Peterson, because In my country it is just canon of literature and every kid is reading Dostoyevsky ot Tolstoy in school, I did not even hear about Peterson back then, It is also funny that You assume that I think about myself as some free deep thinker, but You are the one who shows clear signs of narcissism, you assumed that you know everything about my beliefs, just because I said I like Dostoyevsky in Pageau's comment section, It is very lazy and arrogant kind of reductionism, btw Im gay and Im liberal eco-activist, but You probably thought that Im some far-right angry incel, because thats how lazy your brain is.
not sure i totally agree with people disassembling themselves to become food for spirits. i think more often its the hardening that allows them to become bricks of babylon. true repentent brokeness can only be taken into christ. all other things require an intact sinful ego.
“They all strive to deviate from the norm, but collectively swarm to be all the same.”- “The Woods” by White Buffalo
3:12 ‘don’t believe everything you think’❤️
if you watch your thoughts, you'll find they're all parts of a coherent pattern like a melody.
i suppose an issue would be that people get out of balance because they pigeonwhole themselves into a fragment of the pattern, rather than a harmonious integration.
Well, I also listen to many other things besides you.
Have you heard Messianic Jewish rabbi named Jonathan Cahn?
He wrote return of the gods small G. He talks about the spirits of old coming into all of us today
…and he knows exactly which ones they are!
You need to listen to him… so good he’s knowledgeable in depth on Jewish scripture and he is a Christian, and he knows the Bible very very well.
I think he’s worth listening to as he is terrific.
He just adds to the truth, and he speaks truth.
I listen to many things incorporate the love of God and Jesus Christ and it’s not always just one religion. However, they’re all God-fearing biblical people, and this man is amazing. What you said is excellent, but that’s what he says in another way.
How can you be Jewish messianic rabbi and Christian? It does not make sense to me.
I’ll check it out, thank thanks
Please do not use AI-generated images on your covers. They're disgusting.
Amen
Sorry but no. No one wants lame stock images I promise you. Next time I'll just disguise the AI better. - L
@@JonathanPageauClips It’s very ironic that the channel of an artist and thinker who criticizes artificial intelligence has such covers. It's strange that Jonathan approves of this.
@@romantaran76 Yeah, take it up with him. We are on the internet. He doesn't expect me to create original art for every thumbnail. That would be ridiculous. I fully agree that AI art is atrocious when it looks weird, distorted, and inhumane, so I should try to hide it very well. This thumbnail failed in that regard and if I find a better image I will replace it. But not using AI at all is ridiculous and unnecessarily reactionary. Most of Adobe Stock is AI generated and there are lots of images that look normal and good.
@@romantaran76 By the way, did you ask Jonathan for permission to post and dub his content on your own channel?
Don't we have to talk about *why* it's good to be possessed by the Holy Spirit but bad to be possessed by any other spirit? Maybe the discussion about fluidity and brokenness can be an explanation for why it's bad to be possessed by *multiple* spirits or to be open to possession on a whim from any spirit. Sure. But if someone is dedicated to Hermes or Dionysus or even, like Jung, to Abraxas and welcomes that spirit to "dominate" and "possess;" then where exactly does that have any ethical, moral, or rational difference from the christian position?
That's why I don't really like that terminology of being "possessed by the Holy Spirit". From my personal experience, I've had God working in my life most when I just surrender to what He asks me to do. I don't feel particularly possessed by anything during those times. I have free will during those times and it's when I don't surrender to His will that things turn out poorly so I try to choose when He asks me to do so. I think people can get too easily confused with being emotional when they are "possessed by the Holy Spirit." It's something we as Christians should definitely discuss instead of just taking for granted.
@@francestaylor9156 I’m not so much focused on the word “possessed.” I’m using it as loosely as the speakers in this video. My question still stands of, why is it ethically or morally superior to submit to the will of the christian God as opposed to, say, Abraxas or Osiris or Dionysus
@@CyberwaveStudios
God is the LIGHT, we can't see in the dark.
For the same reason that it’s bad to accidentally marry a psychopathic sexual predator and then find yourself in a dark abusive relationship, and that it’s good to marry a kind, loving, healthy human being with no personality disorders who was raised in a good home and becomes a wonderful stable life partner for you. (Two generalized examples but correlate nonetheless).
@@Demetra719 What? That sounds literally like an edgy atheist describing the Christian God lol.
Read John Shirley’s twin novellas Demons. Scary as feck and totally right on.
Im gonna push back a little bit on the political statement just for greater clarification. While aknowledging that some political spirits are obviously totalizing demonic ones, does that make all of them so? When a father is playing with a kid who steps out of line, he may transition to a "different person" becoming the image of fatherly discipline and sterness of all his fathers before him. This onviously inhabits him, but it doesn't mean it replaces him. In fact it usually is a tool that re affirms his identity, both individual and collective. While a political identity does the same, I have trouble seeing why a PROPERLY ORIENTED political understanding isn't any different. It re affirms a collective identity and our individual place within it. Ya know, like a hierarchy.
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I suspect a nuanced notion of a particular kind of thought is being discussed here that could be described as an idea distinct from opinion that judges an idea that can be entertained or rejected. It will, I think, be helpful to distinguish between our own thoughts, that is to say, our opinions that judge another's ideas and judge even our other perviously established ideas. We are our expressed opinions that judge and can entertain ideas. Our opinions can also be said to be opinionated ideas that can also be judged by our self who, generally, expresses and judges ideas. Humans have a responsibility to learn to bio-logically steward an ecosystem.
“You do you” is a polite way of saying I’m not buying your BS
Do you have a soul?
There was a bit of farther sniffing in this video.
Lost in the Cosmos by Walker Percy.
We are all identical in deep sleep. Every single one of us in deep sleep is in bliss and peace, free of pain, free of all identity. One might call that Eden. It’s only when the mind starts its dirty business of labeling “this or that” that we are cast out of the garden.
Does nobody see the irony of this guy wearing a conforming church robe and cross necklace saying how others conform?
They aren't against conforming in itself - obviously as Christians we are called to be conformed to Christ.
They aren't even claiming to be non conforming. They were discussing people who claim to be "non conformist/punk/rebellious", yet they all conform to the same mold and wear the same punk clothes, etc. You can spot them a mile away because they all look the same, ie they're conforming to something, despite their attempt to be nonconformist
No differently than them worshipping God while pointing to the ideological idols supposedly secular people are bowing down to.
No claim if nonconformity being made here. For human beings conformity is nonnegotiable. It’s just a question of what you are conforming to. Who/ what is your master?
Ok wokey bot.. super insightful!
@@Rogannn I think you are well meaning, but the comment is not from a sincere human being. It may in fact be AI generated.
Not holy spirits ;-(
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As a white settler I did not even notice the shadow in which my slaves occupied..
Where do all our consumer products come from? Why do we keep them poor and at a distance?
Should Gabriel call them home to the first world?