This must be just a Baby Warg of ROP that's why their eyes are much bigger. What if their adult Warg is much bigger than this and looks different?? We haven't yet seen the big Warg of ROP. I'm okay with this.
I don't see any problem with the ROP wargs. They look exactly like mad rabid dogs. People who are saying that their eyes look "too big and cute" clearly haven't faced a rabid dog or coyote. A mad angry animal hell bent on tearing you to shreds has the same big "cute" and confused eyes
@@KaidePH theres a chance that ROP warg was: 1. A pup. 2. His breed was less perfect than Hobbit/LOTR one, just like orcs tend to look different through time or even different places (Moria orcs, Mordor Uruks and Goblin Town goblins as well Azog are technically orcs, just different breeds and enviroment)
Love how that woman grabs the spear and spins it around like she’s an absolute pro and then just gets mauled straight away. I swear people spend more time spinning weapons pointlessly in this show than they do actually using them.
What I hate..is that she grabbed a weapon with reach..and then proceeded to attempt to slam the creature with her shoulder? Thereby eliminating reach, any mechanical advantage and putting herself in risk for....what? Oh..I see..so, not legolas could throw the spear later...
The ROP warg looks like a weird beanie baby drawn by a devianartist. The LOTR wargs look based in reality, with a look similar to hyenas, and feel and look realistic.
Man the LOTR trilogy still holds up astonishingly well as far as animation, all of the creatures look so good. The Balrog tops most new movie monsters easily
The scene where Gandalf and the Balrog are falling down the chasm and the Balrog's arms and wings are flailing around as it gets bashed against the walls looks more realistic than most cgi today.
Reason is, In LOTR they used the same method of large props and CGI skin that the first Jurrasic park used. The effect is expensive, time consuming and very finicky, but the results are practically ageless.
Pugs are already mutant dogs, which are themselves mutant wolves. Therefore, the ROP Warg is the third derivative of a wolf (There's only one person in the world who might find this funny so I apologize in advance)
Something I really liked about the original trilogy is how the creature design was based on prehistoric Cenozoic animals to convey the age and exotic setting of Middle Earth. The wargs are based on cave hyenas or borophagine dogs like Epicyon and the oliphants resemble mastodons or gompotheres. If I remember correctly Frodo trips over a chimpanzee's skull in Shelob's lair to imply that the orcs are akin to extinct hominids. The Hobbit followed this up with the elf king riding on a Megaloceros.
I think the problem with the ROP warg is not only that it has big eyes, but also bulging eyes. Large predators tend to have smaller, more protected eyes.
I would even dare to say that the eyes are the only problem but a very big one, besides the eyes the warg looks very acceptable but no joke seeing those eyes reminds me of the first sonic trailer
Anyone that has owned a tiny dog will appreciate what they did... i own 2 Mini Pincers and those little dogs are a splitting image of this Warg and are the devil! 🤣
@@republicofcasuals If you’re talking about chihuahuas and pugs they’re literally bred to look funny. These wargs are supposed to have been bred for killing.
The warg from LOTR genuinely looks like a real animal, so impressive for its time. Then there's the RoP warg. Which looks like a rejected character from the first Shrek movie.
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 Problem here is that ROP warg looks like it's actually physically and mentally... special. Something that parents would've thrown off a cliff a few hundred years ago. Could be that's just a "special" warg and not the standard breed but something tells me we arent gonna see more wargs in ROP anyway so I'm going off of the fact that what I'm seeing is the *standard* warg. The bulging exotropic eyes, twitching motions, tongue going in and out of it's mouth like it's trying to act like Heath Ledger's Joker, randomly "clacking" (lack of word) it's teeth, having retarded noises instead of sounding like something even slightly related to a wolf. Shit, it even looks too small aswell. I cant imagine orcs riding that thing, or even expect them to be mentally stable enough to have in a battle and be able to differentiate friend from foe, compared to the actual wargs we've seen before.
Amazing how the LOTR CGI is still better than most modern films, (Including Rings Of Power). I think the Trilogy had such considered approach in everything it did, it never looked or felt contrived.
ROP is a tv series, naturally it will have worse special effects because the budget is stretched over many more episodes. edit: to everyone commenting, yes i am now aware that the budget is ridiculously high for this series. not really sure where all the money went tbh.
After watching the video a few times, I can say with some confidence that most of the RoP warg's problem is in the eyes. Rule Number 1 of CGI monsters is that you never make big expressive eyes, because human brains will always focus on eyes as the very first detail they take in of any person or animal, so any tiny imperfection in the eyes will automatically trigger Uncanny Valley. In this case, it seems like the eyes are WAY too big relative to the other facial features, and that creates dissonance because humans associate large eyes with cute, cuddly things, not monsters. The huge eyes rob the RoP warg of all it's scariness. And you know why the Two Towers warg didn't suffer this same defect? Because it didn't have eyes - it only had small hair covered black beads. Ironically if you just cover the Rings of Power warg's eyes with your finger, the rest of the monster looks great.
@@bloodangel19 In my book thats more perfectly fitting of the orcs they allied themselves with, though yeah the designers went a little overboard with the eyes they probably should have lessened the size to be within reason like real hyenas, though then again hyena are already seen with such a bad light...
Other than the eyes, my biggest problem with the ROP warg was how it moved. It feels jerky and spastic to me. Like the animators’ budget got cut and they had to take out a few frames. The wargs in Jackson’s series had smooth movements and a kind of predatory grace to them. It felt like a feral animal. Far more convincing and threatening in my opinion.
It reminds me of these dog things they’ve had in book of boba fett and andor on Disney plus that are clearly just real pit bulls with these really awkward fake alien heads stuck on them so they look off balance constantly
The problem is, cg animators aren't unionized and therefore have some of the worst working conditions, hours, crunch time and low budgets in the industry.
@@itzjustboris7395 WTF are you blabbering about? :D They are not pit bulls with heads stuck on them. They are CGI and the only thing which was stuck on real dogs who were used as a reference in The Mando (and probably the other series too) is motion capture suit. The final CGI animals don´t even have the same posture and movements real dogs have because their movement was modified to look alien. And they look bazillion times better than the wargs in Rings of Wokeness. Even in Boba Fett show where they look less realistic than in The Mando for some reason.
@@Mouse_Metal they used cgi to make the costumes look less fake, they did nothing to improve how janky the dogs are when they move because their centres of gravity are off from having a costume on them, and that jankyness is similar to how this “warg” moves. The legs go super fast but there’s like no movement in the hips or spine so it looks really cartoonish.
@@BadVideoManIsAwesome yep, but still it is his work unfortunately, the hobbit films were meh but i reallllly wished the dumb studio wouldve listened to THE peter jackson on how to make a bloody movie based on middle earth. what couldve been :/
Yeah that's not holding up against ALL CGI today. Such disrespect to the craft and artists. Really sick of this whole "new bad, old good" caveman mentality.
People love the original LOTR movies because CGI was used sparingly. When they did use CGI, it looked incredible because artists could devote more time and resources to realism. That's the problem with the RoP, the Hobbit, and movies today in general - people are shifting away from hiring extras and using costumes to save money (think Hobbit orcs vs Meat's-back-on-the-menu orcs). They're sacrificing cinematic quality for production efficiency, which is completely understandable from a financial pov. Just don't expect the fans to stop complaining.
PJ actually said they used more CGI for the Orcs in The Hobbit because they couldn't just make them look the way they wanted them to with makeup alone. They did try, apparently.
Go look at the behind the scenes of how they filmed this scene, they had nothing to go against, so it’s them just running around swinging around and digital artists added later, not original having any idea what to do. Looked like chaos, but turn out to be one of the most memorable moments.
It's so amazing how something from 20 years ago looks 10 times better than what a billion dollars from the largest company basically ever can do. That warg looks like a mutated chihuahua and it even sounds like it too.
Nah its just badly done. Specialy the design of the creature sucks in Rop. The eyes are to big, and it moves to agile and floaty. But of course a billion dollars with todays fx wil be way WAY better than it ever was 20 years ago, foolish to think other wise. They just missed the mark on this one.
I remember when I was little, watching this movie and thinking... if movies look this good now, what kind of films will they make in the future? how wrong i was...
I think the main difference between the two that in LOTR wages book like a real animal that might have existed long ago. But more than the looks it's the feel the weight of the worg when it's running and when it hits the ground after getting hit the movements are realistic As for the ROP it's not just the cartoonish eyes and features but the way they move. they're weightless, like a notice how's it flies on the woman and how it falls after getting hit. also how it frees itself from the chains and wood it's like literally flies like it has no weight/ gravity and it just does not look or feel real.. gives it the video game cartoonish feel. Just makes you appreciate LOTR even more it just looked so real that you just didn't appreciate the time and effort it took to make these animals realistic that after 20 years it still holds up better in the multi-million dollar counterpart
"it has to be like a wolf, but not a wolf!!" "or a bear, thats not a bear!" 1 billion dollar bad fan fiction! mostly the most blatant money laundring on any screen
@@bernhardtsen74 the people making this show were raised on marvel movies and anime, and took the worst lessons from them into a world where that type of logic is a fatal mismatch
@@qaztim11 nah, I love both anime and Lord of the rings, there are anime designs that are infinitely better than whatever that thing is from the rings of power, it looks like an oversized chihuahua
Lmao the RoP wargs actually look more cute than menacing with their huge light-reflecting eyes, great job CGI team really understood the concept of a Warg. Also I liked how that woman picks up the spear and looks ready to kick that Warg's ass and then she does not even hold the spear directly in front of her when the Warg runs at her in a straight line. *The only thing* you have to do to defend against a charging beast while holding a spear is holding it in front of you in the path of the charging beast. You don't even have to move or make a piercing move, just keep it pointed at the beast and let it impale itself unless it backs off or tries do move around the spear. But no, just keep the spear to your side right until the Warg is one meter away and then try to do a slashing attack... with a spear... Details like these just highlight how bad a show is in my opinion. Want to show the woman get mauled by the Warg even though she has a spear? Let her point the spear at the Warg and then the Warg jumps to the side and gets her anyway. Boom, you made the Warg more menacing by being smart and agile enough to evade the spear and the woman died a death that seems reasonable, even pitiful, instead of ridiculous. But apparently nobody in the whole production team (at least the ones in charge) thought of that and would rather have a stupid spear twirl and charging scene.
Excellent observation. I thought it was ridiculous that she had to do the spear twirl, but didn't think about the fact she didn't even get it straight in time because she was too busy twirling. Man this show is bad.
Because the writers of entertainment at this point have no life experience. Being experienced in the use of bronze age or middle age weaponry is a niche field nowadays, I get it. But it seems that filmmakers draw from other films for their concepts. The guys who used to write screenplays fought in some brutal combat during war, many getting down and dirty in hand to hand fights. Jimmy Stewart flew bombing missions in WWII and kept at it even at the start of the Vietnam conflict. Wine moms and cotton candy haired kids cannot be expected to bring the level of realism needed to even make the attempt of recreating armed conflicts.
@@PurpleLightning6was9hyenas have one of the strongest bites of all animals averaging 1100 pounds per square inch. Pit bulls are around 250 psi. The pit bull can deliver a nasty bite but the hyena can completely crush through bone and all. One bite and the fights over.
R.I.P to that shoulder slamming elf... If only he had a weapon with a lot of reach... A weapon that allowed him to keep distance he would have stayed alive Edit: I was on drugs when I wrote this so lots of typos
This proves that not even all the money of the world can make a good product... the love and passion that Peter Jackson put in LotR is crazy... the 3rd movie won 9 oscars alone!!!! And 16 betwen the 3... Master Piece.
I never got why people didnt like the giant hyena wargs. theyre big, scary and tough. The hobbit ones look like their meth head cousins, and the new one looks like someones collie got into the bath salts.
Hobbit wargs were supposed to be more book accurate as cartoonishly evil and intelligent wolves, personally I like this and the LOTR version more. ROP's Warg feels very fitting being aligned with the orcs, its just as inbred and twisted by evil as they are. Meanwhile LOTR Wargs look like primitive mammals, my favorite aesthetic, its very believable as a breed for war and being ridden to battle. Its like the perfect in between of both design choices. Though again I think the ROP Warg looks more fitting as a creature made by evil.
@@kennethsatria6607 no ROP wargs looks goofy asf not menacing as to what creatures twisted by Morgoth which is the embodiment of evil and dread itself should be like.
@@ryder98307 IF we want to go to the lore, then the Wargs are literally inhabited by evil spirits, have their own language and nobody knows where they came from. But since both modern depictions don't look like this, this is obviously not my issue. My issue is that the Amazon version looks like a downgrade. With "sick" I don't mean "corrupted". If the warg looked corrupted, twisted and demonic, great! But it doesn't look that way. It looks unhealthy, weak and broken. Thats what I mean by "sick and ugly".
Small detail I noticed that no one I can see has pointed out. The wargs in LOTR have a facial structure that is relatively similar to that of the orcs and uruk-hai, which makes them feel directly familial to the orcs, and this makes sense if they're all magically created through similar means, whereas the new one just looks like a Chihuahua on bath salts.
I’d like to build on your point a little bit and cut ROP some slack, let’s not forget that it takes place somewhere around 3000 years before LOTR, in that time it’s entirely possible that either wargs have evolved or the process for creating wargs has been improved significantly resulting in a more battle ready beast as opposed to the twisted creature we see in ROP
@@Pyromania717 please don't defend this woke, story-less, insult to true creativity. It is not canon. And anyone who appreciates Tolkien should treat it as such, it's basically a tribute animation at the point, and a shitty one at that.
I really think there are 2 main things here: 1. The Two Towers Wargs have more grounded designs. 2. The animation: The Rings of Power Warg moves around really twitchy in a way that isn't appropriate for its size that the OG Wargs don't That's actually honestly it. I think if you freeze-frame any given part, they both look fairly photo-real, that's part of why I'm pointing fingers at the animation. So the way I see it, the problem isn't the technical aptitude of the CG artists for Rings Of Power, it's more of a design problem, a planning problem, they gave the CG department a job that wasn't particularly workable and they did the best they could with their instructions.
Knowing how much Jackson loved using physical models as part of the visual effects it wouldn't surprise me if Weta built a physical Warg for the close up shots (which could be augmented with CG) and then made a bunch of totally CG wargs for the background.
The only physical model I could make out is the back of the warg on top of Gimli when it fell on him, in close-ups. All of the others were CG. Nevertheless, infinitely better than the trash from RoP.
Oh, Viggo Mortensen definitely got dragged around a bit in the shot immediately preceding his cliff fall. It was probably the same Warg fur segment they used to trap Gimli under.
@@SwissGuy1996 Nah it's not just the face that's obviously much worse, it's simple things like the animations and ragdoll especially, as well as blending the models into the scene. A lot of cheap modern CGI has this issue where it just isn't correctly framed properly into the scene and as a result it sort of pops out and immediately looks wrong.
It was a different era of filmmaking. No forced political messages, hiring people based off of merit and not nepotism or the political issue if the day, directors and actors that actually cared about the original meaning of the work and did all they could to honour the spirit of it. I'm so glad nothing can take away the trilogy, it came out in the perfect time, CG was used in conjunction with practical effects, all of the multi-level sets in order toshow the size differences between the characters, it's simply a lot more "real", than anything RoP has shown so far, and on 1/4th of it's budget
A part of me prefer the warg from LoTR, they looked like a feral hyena with a cold way to look at you, that thing looking at you is horrifying cause of seer coldness of those eyes. Its like an alpha predator, looking at you and you dont even know what´s happening in its mind. The RoP Warg for me looks like a dog, but in a way makes sense, since wargs were bred for war (and dogs are bred wolves) but you know, its horryfing just for how awfully ugly (and made with that purpose) the warg is. Is more like looking at a rabid dog that you know is gonna snap, but dont know when. In my personal opinion i prefer the one from TLotR, that stare could freeze you in place.
More that the ages because different artists worked on the same creature, making each other different on their one way. At least the money invested in the creatures is seen xd not like the script.
It's interesting because I think in some ways the Rings of Power has more detail in it's CGI(excluding the badly animated warg run), but the world it inhabits, and the color pallet is so lifeless. The LOTR trilogy just had better design, and even if some of the CGI doesn't look as clean, it holds up strictly because it's designed so well. I mean look at the comparison between the two Balrog roars, one sounds more like a t-rex, and the one from LOTR trilogy sounds like the fires of hell. Rings of power seems phoned in while LOTR was a passion project...
Because lotro was shot on film it has a grain and grit to it that kind of hides the imperfections of the effects and lets it blend together more easily I think. I dont like the modern fixations on high fidelity because things loose their believability when they are overrendered - even live action movies look like some animated video game trailer these days wich I absolutely hate. Yes technically effects are more advanced but the overreliance on them sucks the life out of so many movies
@@allanredhill8682 Interesting take, I tend to prefer movies from say the 80-90's because of that I think....kinda reaching here but I always laugh when I compare a random screenshot of basically any new netflix original movie/series with a random screenshot of godfather. Its been memed to death but it really is Soulles vs Soul
Studios are rushing CGI production like 5x times faster compared to the time you had in 2002, in 2002 there were artist that took a month or more in some cases to make a single CGI shot, now there are tools that speed up process, but instead of taking advantage of them the producers want the work done even faster
Not really, back then there wasn't much more time for CGI either, but LOTR was one of few exceptions that got both enough investment and time for it before release
@@Dagowit well yeah, it depended on the budget, LOTR had a big budget, but I have worked for some CGI shows with way big budget and we used stock footage for the 80% of the series just for rush, lot of executive producers are selling speed instead of detail, both ways have good quality, but the level of detail in CG is what I am mentioning here
It’s amazing that after so many years LOTR still looks good. What’s even more surprising it’s that the new ROP series didn’t surpass it despite having a bigger budget….
The film trilogy was made by a large team of greatly talented people who deeply cared about the material they were working with. RoP was made by talentless fools who care more about politics than making good content.
@@boss1380 you've asked like 7 people "who asked" and not one of them has given a damn about your cookie-cutter comment. So that you can quit posting that annoying white-knight shit in every comment thread, just assume that real LOTR fans asked.
The whole LOTR vs. ROP debate goes to show that telling a good and compelling story is more important than having an unlimited budget with no clear goal behind it (other than making money per se).
What I love about the trilogy is pretty much all of it is set in a realistic setting, which makes the fantasy buildings, characters & animals feel more real and relatable. Although I still prefer ROP designs to that of the Hobbits vast over design….the trilogy will always reign supreme, in every way. Edit. Sorry I wasn’t referring to the Wargs…I can see why everyone thought that due to the title of the video. I was referring to the overall representation of Middle Earth. I loved the trilogy as it used the real landscapes of New Zealand so you could relate it to on much deeper level as the setting felt human.
Nah, you've got it backwards, Hobbit wargs at least look like demonic wolves not... demonic chihuahuas. And The Hobbit (trilogy) is definitely better than Rings of Power.
The Wargs in the LOTR were dangerous feral beasts…whereas the were-chihuahua from ROP looks embarrassing. What sucks is that they even had Wolves later in the series that resembles Wargs from John Howe, and yet they wasted it. ROP sucks.
@@GaryCrant If you talk about Hobbit there is an excuse... those movies where rushed , there was little to no time to prepare because the studios wanted to capitalize on the hype...but Amazon has this in production on almost same time as the originals
@@lexnight8345 That’s the excuse they bring forth now. The way the studio system has changed over the last 20 years, it is impossible to replicate the LotR trilogy. If you could replicate it, it would’ve happened already The production costs alone have exploded. To produce something the way they did it with LotR you need close to 2 billion dollars at todays standards
@@GaryCrant The excuse is brought out.by me because I know the original movies had like 7 years pre-production before they even started to film... also yes the costs have rised because of inflation over time..but also the income has rised... 20 years ago a studio could never imagibe that a movie will bring more than 2 billion dolars in ( Avengers End Game ) so yeah cost increase but income increased the same... just the quality decreased and you can see in in CGI ... Raid Shadow Legends has better CGI in an ad than Marvel in past 3 movies or shows
@@lexnight8345 Sorry that is just not true. Production costs rose exponentially compared to inflation. That’s why we don’t see practical big sandal epics like Gladiator anymore.
Many people already commented about the eyes, but I think the cinematography is also making the wargs less threatening. Just look at the difference between Jackson's warg getting speared, then RoP's warg getting speared : RoP warg is shown from the top and afar, diminishing its presence and making it less threatening, whereas in Jackson's movie, Gimli is stuck and we see the warg from his perspective : above him and about to devour him. CGI aside, if after the shot at 0:44, we saw the warg from the perspective of the prisoner, literally jumping on the camera, it would have been better.
The transition from 90s to 2000s is so pure and original.. whereas now.. i know what i sound like but now, it really seems like something is wrong with everything
When I saw the warg show up in the RoP I started to laugh so much I fell off the bed it's eyes looked goofy 😅 then the elf did a backflip with a chain and I couldn't stop laughing. 🤣
Or Galadriel doing a wire-fu by jumping off the hilt of a friggin sword - all of about 3 feet. Her vertical leaping is so bad a 5000 year old magic using elf has to jump with an assist. Unbelievably silly.
@@mrcat3493 at least in Star Wars they have the excuse of being space wizards, here the folk doing weird shit aren't even supposed to be anything special... but still do all sorts of weird crap.
@@Verion01 are you guys telling me you don't remember legolas surfing on a shield or down the trunk of an elephant? The movies had the elves doing crazy stuff too
@@campbell9825 there were a few of those cringe-worthy moments, yes, but here.. you are lucky if you find a few moments that aren't cringe worthy :) And the Legolas surf is nothing compared to Galadriel being catapulted from the sword ...
Hobbit CGI on orcs and everyting: Lotr and ring of Power did a majestic work of craftsmanship, the hobbit unfortunately was an expression of the new visual possibilities, a failure. this warg is not done badly, it is simply done worse than the series' average visual quality, majestic. the cgi in the hobbit was bulky and glossy, a step back from the models and visual effects of lotr and this series
With all this new technology they are still incapable of even getting close to the wonderful designs in the LOTR trilogy. These are the worst showrunners ever.
@@willbournerv2259 hobbit is inferior of the lot of course.It was annoying for me as well the fact that there was so much cgi.But it did some great things:Rivendel was far beautiful than the one in lotr,it provided us an immense look on the dwarf world with beautiful arbors and customs while no-one can say anything of criticism on Smaug I believe.
Two Towers warg : A troll on a bear body RoP warg : The mad hyena from the Lion King Meanwhile, The Hobbit warg is elegant but predatory, and actually looks like a giant wolf.
I think people are too hard on the Two Tower's warg special effects. Sure there's a few shots where their fur just looks like a computer composite, but then there's shots that look great! Like at 0:25 I can't even tell if it's cgi or some kind of animatronic or both?! And I think if you watch the scene by itself, there are more shots where the wargs look good than not.
I still think its funny people compare 20 yr old cgi to modern cgi and have the audacity to say the 20 yr old cgi has issues.....like no shit but back then you werent watching lotr in 4k. So if the modern cgi looks like ass that says something
The original still holds up amazingly well. Everything from the tufts of fur moving in the wind to the sound design making the animals sound real, when they move and fall to the ground you can hear that they have a hefty weight to them (even though they don't physically exist.) Most of the new stuff that uses CGI, not just RoP, don't take into consideration these small details and it cheapens the experience.
The creature designs for ROP I honestly don’t mind, the warg, troll and sea serpent. Some of the costumes and visuals I don’t necessarily mind either, but you just truly can’t beat weta workshop. The way LotR is even shot, the flow of the scene, the action, music, intensity, it’s just beautiful and memorable.
Thank you. I also thought the ROP warg was cheaply designed compared to the LOTR one. Even if one was from the second age and the other the third, that’s no excuse IMO
The Wargs in LOTR have aged (It’s been twenty years) but they still look the best. I prefer them over the Hobbit versions and especially this awful looking ROP one.
@@boss1380 If you’re going to try and defend this show, try and come up with something better than this. Just looking at your profile shows you’ve used this comment five times already.
They blew so much of their budget on equity and diversity consultants so naturally CGI and stylization took a back seat, along with just about everything else.
This really makes me wish we’d gotten to see Guillermo Del Torro’s Wargs from his hobbit. They were going to look more mythological and fantastical looking than Jackson’s. Almost like something from Norse legend.
It's weird how both fight scenes feel like they have the same beats, like RoP was trying to rip off LotR. I haven't seen the actual show, but based on this clip that seems to be the case
Yeah, your right. I actually just made a video showing a couple examples of that, really shows Amazon's quality. ruclips.net/video/1TkCZuFPNDk/видео.html
@@GaryCrant except Amazon has made it clear they respect no one, not their workers, not lord of the rings fans, not JRR Tolkien, nit middle earth, not peter jacksons portrayal of it, and most certainly not peter jackson
wow, thank you for the comparison. I stopped watching in the middle of the second episode and left a Rotten Tomatoes rating. The warg in RoP looks like a teenager with braces. How are you supposed to ride it? I also think the Chiwawa eyes are just ridiculous. The punch at 0:46 would have taken me completely out of the experience again.
People seem to forget that since this was such a long time before lord of the rings the orcs hadn't bred the wargs into what we see in the movies. This was the earliest of the wargs I am pretty sure.
The wargs were some of the least-liked aspects of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Too much hyena, not enough wolf. They have officially been reappraised as stunning cinematic masterpieces.
No matter how much money you throw at perfecting CGI beasts and characters, people will always tell. The original Wargs clearly look like "worse", but the lack of being OVER designed in addition to the familiar look (hyena like), helps ground them in the scene and it doesn't evoke a negative reaction from audiences. On the other hand, the Amazon Wargs are almost TOO much, visually they look better, higher resolution model and fur sim etc. but the animation seems too over the top, for me at least. And, because it looks so real, but I know it isn't, it gets a negative reaction, from me at least, as I feel like they are trying to trick me (if u know what I mean).
The LoTR Warg shows I much more evolved creature that has found it's strengths with it's anatomy and evolved to be larger, stronger and more refined, the RoP version shows the crude beginnings that the Warg's came from with the horrid looking body. It's a great little detail and I can really see that the RoP version could have been bred and selectively bred to become the larger monsters we see in LoTR. :)
Out of all the comments here, I really like your take on it the best. It's very logical, and accounts for the look of both creatures being different. Bravo 👏
Sigue siendo basura los wargs de LOR, a mi que la gente se ponga nostálgica y no sea imparcial y que sea todo perfecto en esa trilogía no es así. Para la época brutal pero viéndolo ahora hienas gigantes y deberían ser lobos de las cosas que menos me gustan de la trilogía de Jackson
@@jorgefernandez8728 amo la trilogía pero es verdad que los wargos no se lograron muy bien, son aceptables. No obstante, no se ven ridículos como la wea de los anillos de poder.
@@jorgefernandez8728 Lo haz dicho, los Huargos de Isengard tienen buen diseño pero de Huargos no tienen nada, los Huargos de El Hobbit lucen mejor, aunque el cgi no se sostenga tan bien, lucen más fieles al libro...
me dirán loco pero me gustan los 3 diseños, aunque eso no significa que no odie la serie o un pedo así. Lo único que me gustó de la serie fue el warg jajajaja
The Hobbit Warg comparison
m.ruclips.net/video/8C90EHUy3Hk/видео.html
This must be just a Baby Warg of ROP that's why their eyes are much bigger. What if their adult Warg is much bigger than this and looks different?? We haven't yet seen the big Warg of ROP. I'm okay with this.
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I don't see any problem with the ROP wargs. They look exactly like mad rabid dogs. People who are saying that their eyes look "too big and cute" clearly haven't faced a rabid dog or coyote. A mad angry animal hell bent on tearing you to shreds has the same big "cute" and confused eyes
@@KaidePH theres a chance that ROP warg was:
1. A pup.
2. His breed was less perfect than Hobbit/LOTR one, just like orcs tend to look different through time or even different places (Moria orcs, Mordor Uruks and Goblin Town goblins as well Azog are technically orcs, just different breeds and enviroment)
how many watermarks did you cut out?
Love how that woman grabs the spear and spins it around like she’s an absolute pro and then just gets mauled straight away.
I swear people spend more time spinning weapons pointlessly in this show than they do actually using them.
Haha
Hollywood moment
What I hate..is that she grabbed a weapon with reach..and then proceeded to attempt to slam the creature with her shoulder? Thereby eliminating reach, any mechanical advantage and putting herself in risk for....what? Oh..I see..so, not legolas could throw the spear later...
That is Rings of Power for you
@@buddylord3020 IKR
The problem is that they wanted to show us how women are equal to men haha
The ROP warg looks like a weird beanie baby drawn by a devianartist. The LOTR wargs look based in reality, with a look similar to hyenas, and feel and look realistic.
This! This has been plaguing fantasy art since late 2000’s. Keep cartoons out of my fantasy.
I think The Rings of Power Warg is young and still a pup.
well in ROP is realistic either.
just like big doge with rabies.
I agree, it looks more realistic because it looks a lot like you. I mean his face.
@@danodrevo3993 your insults are good for nothing...
Man the LOTR trilogy still holds up astonishingly well as far as animation, all of the creatures look so good. The Balrog tops most new movie monsters easily
The trilogy is timeless imo.
The scene where Gandalf and the Balrog are falling down the chasm and the Balrog's arms and wings are flailing around as it gets bashed against the walls looks more realistic than most cgi today.
Reason is, In LOTR they used the same method of large props and CGI skin that the first Jurrasic park used. The effect is expensive, time consuming and very finicky, but the results are practically ageless.
Well.. if we pretend Legolas on the elephant doesn’t exist. But other than that…it holds up okay
I have never been more scared in my life than when I was 10 seeing the Balrog in actual size.
2002: Scary Warg!
2022: Mutated Pug
That's a chiwarghua, quite clearly. 🤣
...So a normal pug then? They're all mutants
Pugs are already mutant dogs, which are themselves mutant wolves.
Therefore, the ROP Warg is the third derivative of a wolf
(There's only one person in the world who might find this funny so I apologize in advance)
Both look like mutated pugs
When I was a child I thought it's was real hyenas, just oversized with CGI
0:15 Love how she spins her spear around while charging but then just body slams into it.
"LOOK AT ME, I'M SO *HUGGH*"
what a garbage scene
You gotta respect her tenacity if nothing else.
Maybe if she'd braced for the incoming charge instead of expertly windmilling, things may have turned out differently.
Wiins.
Something I really liked about the original trilogy is how the creature design was based on prehistoric Cenozoic animals to convey the age and exotic setting of Middle Earth. The wargs are based on cave hyenas or borophagine dogs like Epicyon and the oliphants resemble mastodons or gompotheres. If I remember correctly Frodo trips over a chimpanzee's skull in Shelob's lair to imply that the orcs are akin to extinct hominids. The Hobbit followed this up with the elf king riding on a Megaloceros.
Chimpanzee is not extinct. I'm confused.
Do you really carry all these fancy words in your head?
@@OBryanAguiar Something wrong with that? Paleozoology and archeozoology are really neat.
Respect that comparison with Cenozoic mega fauna. As a lover of prehistory myself, I appreciate your post
@@JesusProtects I meant that it would be a stand-in for extinct hominids like Australopithecus that come across as more ape-like than human
I think the problem with the ROP warg is not only that it has big eyes, but also bulging eyes. Large predators tend to have smaller, more protected eyes.
I would even dare to say that the eyes are the only problem but a very big one, besides the eyes the warg looks very acceptable but no joke seeing those eyes reminds me of the first sonic trailer
Anyone that has owned a tiny dog will appreciate what they did... i own 2 Mini Pincers and those little dogs are a splitting image of this Warg and are the devil! 🤣
They wanted cute and scary and lost both
@@republicofcasuals owning a tiny dog isn’t supposed to be relatable to being attacked by a warg lol that’s the point
@@republicofcasuals If you’re talking about chihuahuas and pugs they’re literally bred to look funny. These wargs are supposed to have been bred for killing.
Lotr: A giant prehistoric beast out to chew up some Cro-Magnons.
Rop: A laureate in an Ugliest Dog Competition.
tbh the lotr one looks more like an inbred hyena than a prehistoric beast
The warg from LOTR genuinely looks like a real animal, so impressive for its time. Then there's the RoP warg. Which looks like a rejected character from the first Shrek movie.
LOL🤣
I mean, it looks like a real animal.
Just a slightly deformed chihuahua.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Chiwargua 🤣🤣🤣
to be fair there's a few thousand years between the rings of power and lord of the rings, enough time for certain traits to be bred out of the wargs
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 Problem here is that ROP warg looks like it's actually physically and mentally... special. Something that parents would've thrown off a cliff a few hundred years ago. Could be that's just a "special" warg and not the standard breed but something tells me we arent gonna see more wargs in ROP anyway so I'm going off of the fact that what I'm seeing is the *standard* warg.
The bulging exotropic eyes, twitching motions, tongue going in and out of it's mouth like it's trying to act like Heath Ledger's Joker, randomly "clacking" (lack of word) it's teeth, having retarded noises instead of sounding like something even slightly related to a wolf. Shit, it even looks too small aswell. I cant imagine orcs riding that thing, or even expect them to be mentally stable enough to have in a battle and be able to differentiate friend from foe, compared to the actual wargs we've seen before.
Amazing how the LOTR CGI is still better than most modern films, (Including Rings Of Power). I think the Trilogy had such considered approach in everything it did, it never looked or felt contrived.
ROP is a tv series, naturally it will have worse special effects because the budget is stretched over many more episodes.
edit: to everyone commenting, yes i am now aware that the budget is ridiculously high for this series. not really sure where all the money went tbh.
It's more about better art direction I think
You cannot blame poor VFX in Rings of Power on limited budget. The show cost over $1bil to make. That is more than enough to provide great VFX.
Different eras, different breeds
no, they spent more on one episode than the production of one LOTR movie. Its trash for a production that spend over a billion.
The Warg designs have changed with every iteration but I always loved the original LOTR trilogy, made them look more like Hyenas
What in the who is Reginald
@@professional_cynic98 must have been autocorrect
@Jake Folk agreed
@Jake Folk you'll get over it
@Jake Folk have a cry
Every scene of LOTR so detailed and very well made. Totally masterpiece
After watching the video a few times, I can say with some confidence that most of the RoP warg's problem is in the eyes. Rule Number 1 of CGI monsters is that you never make big expressive eyes, because human brains will always focus on eyes as the very first detail they take in of any person or animal, so any tiny imperfection in the eyes will automatically trigger Uncanny Valley. In this case, it seems like the eyes are WAY too big relative to the other facial features, and that creates dissonance because humans associate large eyes with cute, cuddly things, not monsters. The huge eyes rob the RoP warg of all it's scariness. And you know why the Two Towers warg didn't suffer this same defect? Because it didn't have eyes - it only had small hair covered black beads. Ironically if you just cover the Rings of Power warg's eyes with your finger, the rest of the monster looks great.
Legit the wargs in RoP look high on weed. Like big bloodshot eyes, weird movement, they seem hungry too...
the best thing in ROP's warg is his insane eyes
I agree, I think the manic look isn’t very fitting
Those big eyes like an anime girl makes the creature look cute/stupid, definitely not scary like the wargs in LOTR
@@bloodangel19 In my book thats more perfectly fitting of the orcs they allied themselves with, though yeah the designers went a little overboard with the eyes they probably should have lessened the size to be within reason like real hyenas, though then again hyena are already seen with such a bad light...
Other than the eyes, my biggest problem with the ROP warg was how it moved.
It feels jerky and spastic to me. Like the animators’ budget got cut and they had to take out a few frames.
The wargs in Jackson’s series had smooth movements and a kind of predatory grace to them. It felt like a feral animal.
Far more convincing and threatening in my opinion.
they prolly used chihuahuas as reference
It reminds me of these dog things they’ve had in book of boba fett and andor on Disney plus that are clearly just real pit bulls with these really awkward fake alien heads stuck on them so they look off balance constantly
The problem is, cg animators aren't unionized and therefore have some of the worst working conditions, hours, crunch time and low budgets in the industry.
@@itzjustboris7395 WTF are you blabbering about? :D They are not pit bulls with heads stuck on them. They are CGI and the only thing which was stuck on real dogs who were used as a reference in The Mando (and probably the other series too) is motion capture suit. The final CGI animals don´t even have the same posture and movements real dogs have because their movement was modified to look alien.
And they look bazillion times better than the wargs in Rings of Wokeness. Even in Boba Fett show where they look less realistic than in The Mando for some reason.
@@Mouse_Metal they used cgi to make the costumes look less fake, they did nothing to improve how janky the dogs are when they move because their centres of gravity are off from having a costume on them, and that jankyness is similar to how this “warg” moves. The legs go super fast but there’s like no movement in the hips or spine so it looks really cartoonish.
OMG I just realized that 0:02 looks like original Sonic for the movie. The ugly one. Now it all makes sense.
Yep.
20 years older and still holds up better than all CGI today, just one of countless reasons peter Jackson's movies are the greatest film in history
Until he had his George Lucas moment and destroyed the Hobbit with excessive, unrealistic and unnecessary CGI.
@@Thatsit36 yeah that was not his fault... It was all studio order !!
@@BadVideoManIsAwesome yep, but still it is his work unfortunately, the hobbit films were meh but i reallllly wished the dumb studio wouldve listened to THE peter jackson on how to make a bloody movie based on middle earth. what couldve been :/
@@apan990 The Hobbit would’ve happened either way, at least we got PJ to keep it from becoming an even worse trash fire
Yeah that's not holding up against ALL CGI today. Such disrespect to the craft and artists. Really sick of this whole "new bad, old good" caveman mentality.
Godbless Peter Jackson. It's amazing how the Warg from 20 years ago still holds up even to this day. It feels more real and practical than TROP's.
I just rewatched the trilogy a couple days ago. I am blown away by how well the CGI has held up given its 20 years old.
Also you gotta remember ring of power is taking place 3000 years earlier…a lot can change in that long ass time
@@thatoneginger6480 not in that sense
@@thatoneginger6480 how's that related to how well the LoTR CGI is 20 years ago? lmao
This is because the CGI for the wargs in the lord of the rings is based off of practical wargs built by weta for digital reference.
I can't get enough of Gimli! "THAT ONE COUNTS AS MINE!"
*Legolas takes out whole elephant*
Gimli: "THAT ONLY COUNTS AS ONE"
Glad that stuff is gone from RoP
I'm glad this conversation is happening. CGI creators needs to heed this. Realism is and emotional impact are not the same things.
People love the original LOTR movies because CGI was used sparingly. When they did use CGI, it looked incredible because artists could devote more time and resources to realism. That's the problem with the RoP, the Hobbit, and movies today in general - people are shifting away from hiring extras and using costumes to save money (think Hobbit orcs vs Meat's-back-on-the-menu orcs). They're sacrificing cinematic quality for production efficiency, which is completely understandable from a financial pov. Just don't expect the fans to stop complaining.
They used mostly VFX, not CGI (two very different things)
The Hobbit imho has great sfx and cgi imho, it still coneyed the story.
PJ actually said they used more CGI for the Orcs in The Hobbit because they couldn't just make them look the way they wanted them to with makeup alone. They did try, apparently.
Yep i didn't like the Hobbit movies, the orchs didn't feel real at all
😂 😂 MBOTM Orcs
1billion dollars and yet the spear being thrown into that hyena monster looked so fake lol
0:17 - she isnt even trying to hit warg. This whole sequence is kinda sucks
@@lolik3205 Exactly. She's introduced as a pro spearer, makes some "cool" moves. And then she proceeds to attack the warg with her hip 😄
they spend twice more money than LOTR and still looks much worse
@@maak6270 that's what make it better. You see, not all in reality are trained and best fighters.
1 billions dollars and yet no one asked
0:28 Honestly i can't say if this one is CGI or a model. It looks so DAMN REAL!
Its a model with VFX added to it
That shot in particular is abit of both, and looks fantastic for it
Go look at the behind the scenes of how they filmed this scene, they had nothing to go against, so it’s them just running around swinging around and digital artists added later, not original having any idea what to do. Looked like chaos, but turn out to be one of the most memorable moments.
@@vordt4139 I knew it. I thought it looked robotic and stiff so that tipped me off
Haven't watched any of RoP and this clips helps solidify that my time is well saved.
The Warg In RoP looks like the first trailer version of sonic the Hedgehog!
Actually I WAS getting the impression of a mutated hedgehog.
It's the way it's head pops out of the wood...
"er? meow?"
@@Han-rw9ev Glad I'm not the only one who thought this! That was my thought the first time I saw the warg clip lmao. It's the eyes.
Ugly Sonic
_"Bring your pretty face to my axe!"_
One of my favorite Gimli quotes.
It's so amazing how something from 20 years ago looks 10 times better than what a billion dollars from the largest company basically ever can do. That warg looks like a mutated chihuahua and it even sounds like it too.
That comes from a Guy without knowing anything bout CGI or the Story behind RoP shame on u
ROP has no love and passion in it. Only hate.
Nah its just badly done. Specialy the design of the creature sucks in Rop. The eyes are to big, and it moves to agile and floaty. But of course a billion dollars with todays fx wil be way WAY better than it ever was 20 years ago, foolish to think other wise. They just missed the mark on this one.
@@piquinto80 Nah, you are straight wrong, the design looks great.
The dog is blatantly meant to look crazy and ferocious, the design met its mark.
@@maxdrags3115 looks crazy indeed. It also has the crazy eyes. But to each his own i guess
I remember when I was little, watching this movie and thinking... if movies look this good now, what kind of films will they make in the future? how wrong i was...
I think the main difference between the two that in LOTR wages book like a real animal that might have existed long ago. But more than the looks it's the feel the weight of the worg when it's running and when it hits the ground after getting hit the movements are realistic
As for the ROP it's not just the cartoonish eyes and features but the way they move.
they're weightless, like a notice how's it flies on the woman and how it falls after getting hit. also how it frees itself from the chains and wood it's like literally flies like it has no weight/ gravity and it just does not look or feel real.. gives it the video game cartoonish feel.
Just makes you appreciate LOTR even more it just looked so real that you just didn't appreciate the time and effort it took to make these animals realistic that after 20 years it still holds up better in the multi-million dollar counterpart
Billion*
ROP is a classic example of overdesign
"it has to be like a wolf, but not a wolf!!" "or a bear, thats not a bear!" 1 billion dollar bad fan fiction! mostly the most blatant money laundring on any screen
@@bernhardtsen74 the people making this show were raised on marvel movies and anime, and took the worst lessons from them into a world where that type of logic is a fatal mismatch
@@qaztim11 nah, I love both anime and Lord of the rings, there are anime designs that are infinitely better than whatever that thing is from the rings of power, it looks like an oversized chihuahua
This is a classics example of no one asking
@Meraxeon Someone's angry that no one asked
Lmao the RoP wargs actually look more cute than menacing with their huge light-reflecting eyes, great job CGI team really understood the concept of a Warg.
Also I liked how that woman picks up the spear and looks ready to kick that Warg's ass and then she does not even hold the spear directly in front of her when the Warg runs at her in a straight line. *The only thing* you have to do to defend against a charging beast while holding a spear is holding it in front of you in the path of the charging beast. You don't even have to move or make a piercing move, just keep it pointed at the beast and let it impale itself unless it backs off or tries do move around the spear. But no, just keep the spear to your side right until the Warg is one meter away and then try to do a slashing attack... with a spear...
Details like these just highlight how bad a show is in my opinion. Want to show the woman get mauled by the Warg even though she has a spear? Let her point the spear at the Warg and then the Warg jumps to the side and gets her anyway. Boom, you made the Warg more menacing by being smart and agile enough to evade the spear and the woman died a death that seems reasonable, even pitiful, instead of ridiculous. But apparently nobody in the whole production team (at least the ones in charge) thought of that and would rather have a stupid spear twirl and charging scene.
But not healing praise on the Amazon version makes you a “racist” in Whoopi’s esteemed estimation…. lol
Excellent observation. I thought it was ridiculous that she had to do the spear twirl, but didn't think about the fact she didn't even get it straight in time because she was too busy twirling. Man this show is bad.
@@cestmoi7368 it comes from a woman who doesn't understand all the safety rules that 99.99% of gun owners follow to a T.
Because the writers of entertainment at this point have no life experience. Being experienced in the use of bronze age or middle age weaponry is a niche field nowadays, I get it. But it seems that filmmakers draw from other films for their concepts. The guys who used to write screenplays fought in some brutal combat during war, many getting down and dirty in hand to hand fights. Jimmy Stewart flew bombing missions in WWII and kept at it even at the start of the Vietnam conflict.
Wine moms and cotton candy haired kids cannot be expected to bring the level of realism needed to even make the attempt of recreating armed conflicts.
@@JohnnyFreeze92 excellent observation, I thought it was because no one asked
So we have a manky pitbull vs a buffed hyena.
I mean, I would put my money on the pit tbh
@@PurpleLightning6was9hyenas have one of the strongest bites of all animals averaging 1100 pounds per square inch. Pit bulls are around 250 psi. The pit bull can deliver a nasty bite but the hyena can completely crush through bone and all. One bite and the fights over.
I was really scared when I first saw the Warg in LOTR because it was so realistic.
But this ROP giant puppy is so funny 🤣
When I see the ROP warg, I see a cgi warg and start wondering why it looks wrong. When I see the TT wargs, I just think "Shit! Wargs!"
Because it was a puppy.
R.I.P to that shoulder slamming elf... If only he had a weapon with a lot of reach... A weapon that allowed him to keep distance he would have stayed alive
Edit: I was on drugs when I wrote this so lots of typos
fr man, only if she picked up a spear and instead of swinging it around for a solid 5 seconds
This proves that not even all the money of the world can make a good product... the love and passion that Peter Jackson put in LotR is crazy... the 3rd movie won 9 oscars alone!!!! And 16 betwen the 3... Master Piece.
11 oscars
Yes that's what I think about all the avengers movies and thor movies. They all suck but spent so much money
The early movies are good. Iron Man, Avengers, and the captain America trilogy were really good. The avengers series has been mostly good
@@SHAKE-S-PIERRE Ok?
@@EricCartman915 avengers 1,3 are great films, and Thor Ragnarok is aight
I like the hyena look vs the pug/mange dog look. It remind me of how if you told a medieval artist what a hyena was they'd draw the RoP version lol.
I never got why people didnt like the giant hyena wargs. theyre big, scary and tough. The hobbit ones look like their meth head cousins, and the new one looks like someones collie got into the bath salts.
😂 Collie into bath salts. Yeah that about sums it up. Lol.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Looks like a collie got infected with the T Virus from Resident evil lmao
Hobbit wargs were supposed to be more book accurate as cartoonishly evil and intelligent wolves, personally I like this and the LOTR version more.
ROP's Warg feels very fitting being aligned with the orcs, its just as inbred and twisted by evil as they are.
Meanwhile LOTR Wargs look like primitive mammals, my favorite aesthetic, its very believable as a breed for war and being ridden to battle.
Its like the perfect in between of both design choices. Though again I think the ROP Warg looks more fitting as a creature made by evil.
@@kennethsatria6607 no ROP wargs looks goofy asf not menacing as to what creatures twisted by Morgoth which is the embodiment of evil and dread itself should be like.
The traditional warg looks like an actually legit beast.
The new one just looks like an oversized wolf that happens to be sick and ugly.
That's....exactly what a warg is in LotR, a sick and corrupted wolf by Morgoth's influence
@@ryder98307 IF we want to go to the lore, then the Wargs are literally inhabited by evil spirits, have their own language and nobody knows where they came from.
But since both modern depictions don't look like this, this is obviously not my issue.
My issue is that the Amazon version looks like a downgrade. With "sick" I don't mean "corrupted". If the warg looked corrupted, twisted and demonic, great!
But it doesn't look that way. It looks unhealthy, weak and broken. Thats what I mean by "sick and ugly".
@@AliothAncalagon it's literally an oversized dog with a skin condition. Actual dogs with such conditions have been the cause of the ciupacabra myth.
I think it looks like no one asked
Even worse: an oversized wolf with the face of chihuahua.
I love how the random villager lady seemed to know how to use a spear lol.
Small detail I noticed that no one I can see has pointed out. The wargs in LOTR have a facial structure that is relatively similar to that of the orcs and uruk-hai, which makes them feel directly familial to the orcs, and this makes sense if they're all magically created through similar means, whereas the new one just looks like a Chihuahua on bath salts.
"Chihuahua on bath salts" had me rolling
I’d like to build on your point a little bit and cut ROP some slack, let’s not forget that it takes place somewhere around 3000 years before LOTR, in that time it’s entirely possible that either wargs have evolved or the process for creating wargs has been improved significantly resulting in a more battle ready beast as opposed to the twisted creature we see in ROP
@@Pyromania717 honestly, not impossible
@@Pyromania717 please don't defend this woke, story-less, insult to true creativity. It is not canon. And anyone who appreciates Tolkien should treat it as such, it's basically a tribute animation at the point, and a shitty one at that.
The only way I can excuse the ROP design is that it might be an inbred.
Remember expensive doesn't mean it's good
A giant crackhead chihuahua 🤣🤣🤣
You would have thought 20 years would have improved the special effects, but not in this case.
The LOTR films are still the best looking films ever made, the most impressive visually
@@criert135 Have you seen Dune?
@@TonyMontanaDS Yes, impressive but still a ways off The LOTR trilogy in my opinion
@@criert135 then you are just fanboy in that case
@@geordirendum583 I’m a fanboy for being honest? Forgive me for not taking your random opinion too seriously haha
I really think there are 2 main things here:
1. The Two Towers Wargs have more grounded designs.
2. The animation: The Rings of Power Warg moves around really twitchy in a way that isn't appropriate for its size that the OG Wargs don't
That's actually honestly it. I think if you freeze-frame any given part, they both look fairly photo-real, that's part of why I'm pointing fingers at the animation.
So the way I see it, the problem isn't the technical aptitude of the CG artists for Rings Of Power, it's more of a design problem, a planning problem, they gave the CG department a job that wasn't particularly workable and they did the best they could with their instructions.
Knowing how much Jackson loved using physical models as part of the visual effects it wouldn't surprise me if Weta built a physical Warg for the close up shots (which could be augmented with CG) and then made a bunch of totally CG wargs for the background.
The only physical model I could make out is the back of the warg on top of Gimli when it fell on him, in close-ups. All of the others were CG. Nevertheless, infinitely better than the trash from RoP.
Oh, Viggo Mortensen definitely got dragged around a bit in the shot immediately preceding his cliff fall. It was probably the same Warg fur segment they used to trap Gimli under.
So you're telling me a cgi from 20 years ago is less video gamey than Rings of Inclusivity?
just because the one in Lotr was covered in wads of straw and didn't have an inch of exposed skin, it's the design that changes.
@@SwissGuy1996 Nah it's not just the face that's obviously much worse, it's simple things like the animations and ragdoll especially, as well as blending the models into the scene. A lot of cheap modern CGI has this issue where it just isn't correctly framed properly into the scene and as a result it sort of pops out and immediately looks wrong.
@@SwissGuy1996 I dont care. they were smart enough to design it in a way that it would realistic, thats art. there has to be a balance in everything
you mean wrongs of power
It was a different era of filmmaking. No forced political messages, hiring people based off of merit and not nepotism or the political issue if the day, directors and actors that actually cared about the original meaning of the work and did all they could to honour the spirit of it.
I'm so glad nothing can take away the trilogy, it came out in the perfect time, CG was used in conjunction with practical effects, all of the multi-level sets in order toshow the size differences between the characters, it's simply a lot more "real", than anything RoP has shown so far, and on 1/4th of it's budget
A part of me prefer the warg from LoTR, they looked like a feral hyena with a cold way to look at you, that thing looking at you is horrifying cause of seer coldness of those eyes. Its like an alpha predator, looking at you and you dont even know what´s happening in its mind.
The RoP Warg for me looks like a dog, but in a way makes sense, since wargs were bred for war (and dogs are bred wolves) but you know, its horryfing just for how awfully ugly (and made with that purpose) the warg is. Is more like looking at a rabid dog that you know is gonna snap, but dont know when.
In my personal opinion i prefer the one from TLotR, that stare could freeze you in place.
A part of you? The wargs from TLOTR films look vastly better in my opinion
@Moises Lopez well said, they both have their strong points and can be different somewhat because the ages themselves are so far apart
More that the ages because different artists worked on the same creature, making each other different on their one way.
At least the money invested in the creatures is seen xd not like the script.
If the warg from TROP had been blue, it would have been identical to sonic....
@@akaverion Let ugly sonic have a work. XD
The Wargs from The Hobbit movies were how I always pictured them in the books.
if only the hobbit movies were good. Theyre at least better than RoP....
@@AerynWalk omg... Hobbit is amazing, now with RoP you all see how Hobbit was great, you haters just didnt had a comparison...
It's interesting because I think in some ways the Rings of Power has more detail in it's CGI(excluding the badly animated warg run), but the world it inhabits, and the color pallet is so lifeless. The LOTR trilogy just had better design, and even if some of the CGI doesn't look as clean, it holds up strictly because it's designed so well. I mean look at the comparison between the two Balrog roars, one sounds more like a t-rex, and the one from LOTR trilogy sounds like the fires of hell. Rings of power seems phoned in while LOTR was a passion project...
Because lotro was shot on film it has a grain and grit to it that kind of hides the imperfections of the effects and lets it blend together more easily I think. I dont like the modern fixations on high fidelity because things loose their believability when they are overrendered - even live action movies look like some animated video game trailer these days wich I absolutely hate. Yes technically effects are more advanced but the overreliance on them sucks the life out of so many movies
@@allanredhill8682 Interesting take, I tend to prefer movies from say the 80-90's because of that I think....kinda reaching here but I always laugh when I compare a random screenshot of basically any new netflix original movie/series with a random screenshot of godfather. Its been memed to death but it really is Soulles vs Soul
Studios are rushing CGI production like 5x times faster compared to the time you had in 2002, in 2002 there were artist that took a month or more in some cases to make a single CGI shot, now there are tools that speed up process, but instead of taking advantage of them the producers want the work done even faster
Not really, back then there wasn't much more time for CGI either, but LOTR was one of few exceptions that got both enough investment and time for it before release
@@Dagowit well yeah, it depended on the budget, LOTR had a big budget, but I have worked for some CGI shows with way big budget and we used stock footage for the 80% of the series just for rush, lot of executive producers are selling speed instead of detail, both ways have good quality, but the level of detail in CG is what I am mentioning here
It’s amazing that after so many years LOTR still looks good. What’s even more surprising it’s that the new ROP series didn’t surpass it despite having a bigger budget….
And most of that budget was spent on advertising which basically told white men to feel guilty. I don’t feel guilt at all though.
The film trilogy was made by a large team of greatly talented people who deeply cared about the material they were working with. RoP was made by talentless fools who care more about politics than making good content.
It’s amazing that no one asked
Maybe people making movies nowadays dont have as much heart and arent as talented?
@@boss1380 you've asked like 7 people "who asked" and not one of them has given a damn about your cookie-cutter comment. So that you can quit posting that annoying white-knight shit in every comment thread, just assume that real LOTR fans asked.
The whole LOTR vs. ROP debate goes to show that telling a good and compelling story is more important than having an unlimited budget with no clear goal behind it (other than making money per se).
Considering how old Two Towers is, the CGI holds up pretty well.
VFX.
Pretty well? It's better than RoP
That cavalry charge is one of my fav scenes in the whole trilogy its so visceral
What I love about the trilogy is pretty much all of it is set in a realistic setting, which makes the fantasy buildings, characters & animals feel more real and relatable.
Although I still prefer ROP designs to that of the Hobbits vast over design….the trilogy will always reign supreme, in every way.
Edit. Sorry I wasn’t referring to the Wargs…I can see why everyone thought that due to the title of the video.
I was referring to the overall representation of Middle Earth.
I loved the trilogy as it used the real landscapes of New Zealand so you could relate it to on much deeper level as the setting felt human.
The warg design in the hobbit was the best
Nah, you've got it backwards, Hobbit wargs at least look like demonic wolves not... demonic chihuahuas. And The Hobbit (trilogy) is definitely better than Rings of Power.
@@oscarstainton no, I haven’t got it backwards. The hobbit wargs look best and are a lot more like wolves than the lord of the rings wargs.
@@ntsproductions567 Am I crazy or are you two arguing about agreeing with each other.
I think we forget Legolas sliding on a skateboard on the oliphant's tusk
The Wargs in the LOTR were dangerous feral beasts…whereas the were-chihuahua from ROP looks embarrassing.
What sucks is that they even had Wolves later in the series that resembles Wargs from John Howe, and yet they wasted it.
ROP sucks.
1 billion dolars and still can't replicate a 20 years old movie...is like they lack talent or something .
Same goes for Peter Jackson and his later attempts to replicate it.
@@GaryCrant If you talk about Hobbit there is an excuse... those movies where rushed , there was little to no time to prepare because the studios wanted to capitalize on the hype...but Amazon has this in production on almost same time as the originals
@@lexnight8345 That’s the excuse they bring forth now. The way the studio system has changed over the last 20 years, it is impossible to replicate the LotR trilogy.
If you could replicate it, it would’ve happened already
The production costs alone have exploded. To produce something the way they did it with LotR you need close to 2 billion dollars at todays standards
@@GaryCrant The excuse is brought out.by me because I know the original movies had like 7 years pre-production before they even started to film... also yes the costs have rised because of inflation over time..but also the income has rised... 20 years ago a studio could never imagibe that a movie will bring more than 2 billion dolars in ( Avengers End Game ) so yeah cost increase but income increased the same... just the quality decreased and you can see in in CGI ... Raid Shadow Legends has better CGI in an ad than Marvel in past 3 movies or shows
@@lexnight8345 Sorry that is just not true. Production costs rose exponentially compared to inflation. That’s why we don’t see practical big sandal epics like Gladiator anymore.
Many people already commented about the eyes, but I think the cinematography is also making the wargs less threatening.
Just look at the difference between Jackson's warg getting speared, then RoP's warg getting speared : RoP warg is shown from the top and afar, diminishing its presence and making it less threatening, whereas in Jackson's movie, Gimli is stuck and we see the warg from his perspective : above him and about to devour him.
CGI aside, if after the shot at 0:44, we saw the warg from the perspective of the prisoner, literally jumping on the camera, it would have been better.
it looks goofy bro looks like something Disney would make
Even this small lotr scene still got me laughing when gimli says “IT STILL COUNTS AS MINE” 😭 lmfao
The transition from 90s to 2000s is so pure and original.. whereas now.. i know what i sound like but now, it really seems like something is wrong with everything
When I saw the warg show up in the RoP I started to laugh so much I fell off the bed it's eyes looked goofy 😅 then the elf did a backflip with a chain and I couldn't stop laughing. 🤣
IKR? They are taking action cues from Star Wars. It doesn’t work there and it sure doesn’t work in RoP.
Or Galadriel doing a wire-fu by jumping off the hilt of a friggin sword - all of about 3 feet. Her vertical leaping is so bad a 5000 year old magic using elf has to jump with an assist. Unbelievably silly.
@@mrcat3493 at least in Star Wars they have the excuse of being space wizards, here the folk doing weird shit aren't even supposed to be anything special... but still do all sorts of weird crap.
@@Verion01 are you guys telling me you don't remember legolas surfing on a shield or down the trunk of an elephant? The movies had the elves doing crazy stuff too
@@campbell9825 there were a few of those cringe-worthy moments, yes, but here.. you are lucky if you find a few moments that aren't cringe worthy :) And the Legolas surf is nothing compared to Galadriel being catapulted from the sword ...
The first time I saw the new 2022 warg IMMEDIATELY thought of the original live action sonic design and can't see it any other way.
It’s obvious that Lotr and Hobbit are superior to everything to the Rings of Power the wargs included.
Hobbit CGI on orcs and everyting:
Lotr and ring of Power did a majestic work of craftsmanship, the hobbit unfortunately was an expression of the new visual possibilities, a failure. this warg is not done badly, it is simply done worse than the series' average visual quality, majestic. the cgi in the hobbit was bulky and glossy, a step back from the models and visual effects of lotr and this series
With all this new technology they are still incapable of even getting close to the wonderful designs in the LOTR trilogy. These are the worst showrunners ever.
the hobbit was 90% rubbish though
@@willbournerv2259 hobbit is inferior of the lot of course.It was annoying for me as well the fact that there was so much cgi.But it did some great things:Rivendel was far beautiful than the one in lotr,it provided us an immense look on the dwarf world with beautiful arbors and customs while no-one can say anything of criticism on Smaug I believe.
Give The Hobbit a chance by their fan edits (M4 version is a solid example of how good it would’ve been)
Almost 20 years later and the wargs in TTT are still the best yet. They look real in some shots!
Almost ????...they're 22 years old...
That's because they used practical effects in some shots
Two Towers warg : A troll on a bear body
RoP warg : The mad hyena from the Lion King
Meanwhile, The Hobbit warg is elegant but predatory, and actually looks like a giant wolf.
The weirdest thing is that almost all the CGI in the RoP is spot on, then there's this baby warg that looks almost humorous
ROP got that uncanny marvel polish that will scream 2020s forever and ever
Wargs are one of the few things that didnt age THAT well from the movies, but somehow ROP was not able to improve on them. Or create something equal.
I think people are too hard on the Two Tower's warg special effects. Sure there's a few shots where their fur just looks like a computer composite, but then there's shots that look great! Like at 0:25 I can't even tell if it's cgi or some kind of animatronic or both?! And I think if you watch the scene by itself, there are more shots where the wargs look good than not.
@@stawnpawnthe3rd991 its an animatronic of course. Cgi couldnt do that back then. the special effects were good but the Cgi hasnt aged great.
@@stawnpawnthe3rd991 cmon it is very clear which parts are CGI( mouth teeth nose) and which are not
I still think its funny people compare 20 yr old cgi to modern cgi and have the audacity to say the 20 yr old cgi has issues.....like no shit but back then you werent watching lotr in 4k.
So if the modern cgi looks like ass that says something
@@johnblack8872 the modern cgi doesnt look like ass
Dang that ending was smooth
That one shot of Gimlis expression being crushed by the warg is better then the whole rings of power
Ah yes, the Pug Warg
The hair on the warg in the LOTR trilogy looks so real. CGI hair usually looks fake, like in the rings of power version.
I didn't know that amazon had the rights to sonic the hedgehog 🤔🤔🤔🤔
The original still holds up amazingly well. Everything from the tufts of fur moving in the wind to the sound design making the animals sound real, when they move and fall to the ground you can hear that they have a hefty weight to them (even though they don't physically exist.) Most of the new stuff that uses CGI, not just RoP, don't take into consideration these small details and it cheapens the experience.
how did this look so freaking good 20 years ago. holy shit and giving the worg such big eyes, absolutely stupid
Holy hell this looks bad 0:45
Oh my gosh yeah it does lmao that fall/stand/fall looks like a gif played in reverse real quick
Looks. So. Bad. Not just the “warg”.
I find the wargs from The Two Towers far more terrifying than the newer ones.
The creature designs for ROP I honestly don’t mind, the warg, troll and sea serpent. Some of the costumes and visuals I don’t necessarily mind either, but you just truly can’t beat weta workshop. The way LotR is even shot, the flow of the scene, the action, music, intensity, it’s just beautiful and memorable.
And the character lines that come with it. Which in the end makes it more than a movie tech demo.
ROP doesnt hire Weta?
Weta also did work for RoP, although I dont know to what extent
@@ilhamwicaksono5802 Not Weta workshop. Only digital
@@TheGuerreroinca From what I researched, they only hired weta digital
In the ROP warg, there's more frames missing than in the 1990 Isabella Stewart Gardner Art Museum robbery!
Actually they left the frames behind, just like I'm doing with ROP :)
RoP warg looks like its animated at 120 frames while the rest of the world is rolling at 30 😆
It seems so fluid compared to the rest of the scene.
“R2! We’re supposed to be going up not down!”
Thank you. I also thought the ROP warg was cheaply designed compared to the LOTR one. Even if one was from the second age and the other the third, that’s no excuse IMO
Damn I’m still trying to find the person who asked
@@boss1380 lmao
@@OathofthePeachGarden how are you getting by with no one asking
The Wargs in LOTR have aged (It’s been twenty years) but they still look the best. I prefer them over the Hobbit versions and especially this awful looking ROP one.
Damn that’s crazy that no one asked
@@boss1380 If you’re going to try and defend this show, try and come up with something better than this. Just looking at your profile shows you’ve used this comment five times already.
@@Dinosreviews If you're going to try and defend this, try to find someone who asked
@@boss1380 I never asked for a reply.
They blew so much of their budget on equity and diversity consultants so naturally CGI and stylization took a back seat, along with just about everything else.
This really makes me wish we’d gotten to see Guillermo Del Torro’s Wargs from his hobbit. They were going to look more mythological and fantastical looking than Jackson’s. Almost like something from Norse legend.
Yeah, I definitely got the Norse mythology feel from the wargs in the book
20 years of CGI improvement? yikes
People will be like "oh yeah you can pet my dog he's super friendly and loves people " and the dog will be the ROP thing
It's weird how both fight scenes feel like they have the same beats, like RoP was trying to rip off LotR. I haven't seen the actual show, but based on this clip that seems to be the case
Yeah, your right. I actually just made a video showing a couple examples of that, really shows Amazon's quality.
ruclips.net/video/1TkCZuFPNDk/видео.html
@@JohnnyFreeze92 It’s called an Hommage, which is a show of respect. Tarantino made a career off of it.
@@GaryCrant except Amazon has made it clear they respect no one, not their workers, not lord of the rings fans, not JRR Tolkien, nit middle earth, not peter jacksons portrayal of it, and most certainly not peter jackson
@@GaryCrant No, it's a poor ripoff.
It’s weird how no one asked 😮
That woman doing a sick flip with the spear then immediately dying was hilarious.
The LOTR Warg looks like a mixture of menace and bizarre. The ROP Warg looks like a mixture of rabid and comedy.
wow, thank you for the comparison.
I stopped watching in the middle of the second episode and left a Rotten Tomatoes rating.
The warg in RoP looks like a teenager with braces.
How are you supposed to ride it?
I also think the Chiwawa eyes are just ridiculous.
The punch at 0:46 would have taken me completely out of the experience again.
I can actually imagine LOTR Warg being real life especially since it kinda looks prehistoric 😂
People seem to forget that since this was such a long time before lord of the rings the orcs hadn't bred the wargs into what we see in the movies.
This was the earliest of the wargs I am pretty sure.
The wargs were some of the least-liked aspects of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Too much hyena, not enough wolf.
They have officially been reappraised as stunning cinematic masterpieces.
No matter how much money you throw at perfecting CGI beasts and characters, people will always tell. The original Wargs clearly look like "worse", but the lack of being OVER designed in addition to the familiar look (hyena like), helps ground them in the scene and it doesn't evoke a negative reaction from audiences. On the other hand, the Amazon Wargs are almost TOO much, visually they look better, higher resolution model and fur sim etc. but the animation seems too over the top, for me at least. And, because it looks so real, but I know it isn't, it gets a negative reaction, from me at least, as I feel like they are trying to trick me (if u know what I mean).
The LoTR Warg shows I much more evolved creature that has found it's strengths with it's anatomy and evolved to be larger, stronger and more refined, the RoP version shows the crude beginnings that the Warg's came from with the horrid looking body. It's a great little detail and I can really see that the RoP version could have been bred and selectively bred to become the larger monsters we see in LoTR. :)
Out of all the comments here, I really like your take on it the best. It's very logical, and accounts for the look of both creatures being different. Bravo 👏
Or, the show is just shit
is it a theory of yours or does this info actually appear in the series?
It's just astounding how many things one series can fuck up in so many ways.
No solo el diseño, el sonido, el nuevo wargo pareciera más hacer el sonido de un alien que una bestia.
Sigue siendo basura los wargs de LOR, a mi que la gente se ponga nostálgica y no sea imparcial y que sea todo perfecto en esa trilogía no es así. Para la época brutal pero viéndolo ahora hienas gigantes y deberían ser lobos de las cosas que menos me gustan de la trilogía de Jackson
@@jorgefernandez8728 amo la trilogía pero es verdad que los wargos no se lograron muy bien, son aceptables. No obstante, no se ven ridículos como la wea de los anillos de poder.
@@jorgefernandez8728 Lo haz dicho, los Huargos de Isengard tienen buen diseño pero de Huargos no tienen nada, los Huargos de El Hobbit lucen mejor, aunque el cgi no se sostenga tan bien, lucen más fieles al libro...
me dirán loco pero me gustan los 3 diseños, aunque eso no significa que no odie la serie o un pedo así.
Lo único que me gustó de la serie fue el warg jajajaja
@@jorgefernandez8728 brooo
The RoP warg looks like a puppy.
I never liked the lotr wargs but the RoP wargs look even dumber.
The warg in RoP has choppy animation, like the old school clay monsters. The LOTRs warg is very smooth.