You can tell the younger members really look up to Sakura.. Like during that online fansign demonstration, the younger members definitely learn a lot from Sakura. As expected from the pro veteran idol, the ichiban unnie, Miyawaki Sakura. They all look very close and they all are so chaotic already lmao. Their dynamic is soooo fun to watch. LE SSERAFIM fighting!
so much potential in this group. i'm glad chaewon and sakura can be their backbone. with yunjin expertise in english, they have very bright future ahead. stan ot6, all of them have their own charming persona..
5 of them have a bright future ahead indeed but sadly one member is on hanging thread with the korean public right now. When i check fancams of said member, koreans are very harsh towards her when i translated all the words which shocked me along the positive comments of intl fans. It made me think that the rumor might be true at all and they all know some info that international don't. Check the very end of the latest fancam of that member on m countdown you can see the fear, sadness and anxiousness in her eyes. The hate is getting through her which is depressing to see. Also made me realize that the video here are filmed before their debut. 😢
@@FrameTactics well bighit is not stupid to debut a newgirl group without even checking background. Bighit first girlgroup was full of scandal I'm sure they don't want to repeat the same mistake again. And according to the videos spreading on tiktok. Garam is not really the one who is the bully. But she is the one who is being bullied. You can check it on tiktok, a lot of people defending garam already compared before. Also let's just wait for the lawsuit. I'm sure they are going to release it once everything is done.
@@annetea4815 Most defending her are Intl fans anyway but koreans are saying the other side. Just check and google translate every korean language on her fancams its quite concerning even though they know that HYBE already made a lawsuit. Maybe they know what intl don't know yet. I want Garam to stay and be happy as an idol (with Lesserafim) but it is painful to see the hate on her. Maybe there is a truth to it and Garam knows that's why she seemed off and shy/embarrassed everytime.
@@FrameTactics u know that's just typical knetz they've been doing that to other idols too but as we watch these videos u could see how loved garam is by her members let's continue to support her until the truth set her free
@@annetea4815 Idk, even though many intl fans saying those photo is not her, but if you observe those photos closely her posture and features (such, round thumb, mole on her cheeks) it is 90% her. But it doesn't conclude anything, we still don't know the whole story, either all the accusation are true or OP twist the story to make Garam guilty.
I can't explain how much I miss eunchae and garam being together,both of them were treated as lovely maknaes,,I miss you so much girl I miss the days you were in le sserafim
Chaewon acting like she's lagging in a fansign just made me laugh so much because it mostly happens irl with idols while interacting with international fans, she's so funny 😭
Yunjin being stuck to the wall was the cutest and most hilarious thing ever to me 🤣 All the members are really funny and have great personalities plus I've really been enjoying their debut, especially Blue Flame and The Great Mermaid!
I missed Chaewon and Sakura’s sense of humor from Izone days! They’re such lovable dorks. I’m happy to see the other members are quite funny too, and willing to go along with the jokes. Thank you for the English subs, I really appreciate it!
Yes these 2 are really funny so the maknaes feels more comfortable and yunjins antics and frank reasoning is also funny ☺☺☺ great chemistry they will surely go a long way
Kkura and Chaewon are so funny and entertaining that they just make the other members feel relaxed and happy. These girls are professional/veterans in the entertainment industry and they look like they care for their little members :( ❤️
I love how the girls are active 247 we be getting concents everyday 2-4 vids a day that shows how scheduled and hard working they are but thru it all they be having so much fun together which makes me the happiest hope they take care of themselves
Chaewon’s acting can fool anyone hahah Sakura’s reaction at the bear on the cake is so cute. Kazuha’s so pretty, actually they’re all pretty as always. Yunjin’s smile is contagious. Eunchae and Garam conversing with each other is adorable. Hope to see moments like that a lot in the future. I’m loving these girls.
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사쿠라 김채원이 확실한 경력직이라 방송 분량 잘 뽑는 것 같아서 너무 좋음
아이브에서도 안유진 장원영이 경력직 짬밥 클라스 답게 방송 분량 잘 뽑아냈죠
가재는 게편이 멍멍이(이누) 말하는줄알고 모르는듯 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@jsm9252갑자기 왜 아이브 드립이야ㅋㅋㅋ
아이즈원 짬밥 어디안감 너무 좋아
I love how Chaewon is able to joke around and make the members more comfortable. I think she's going to be a great leader!
사쿠라가 카즈하가 아직 한국어가 서툴러서 혹시나 소외될까봐 엄청 챙기는게 눈에 보이네... 대박나자 르세라핌!!
채연이가 사쿠라 한국 처음왔을때 돌봐줬던거처럼ㅠㅠ 감동
@@garden3818 인졍 ㅠㅠ 채연이가 엄청 챙겨줘서 보고 배운듯요 ㅎㅎ 사쿠라 너무 보기 좋네요 ㅎㅎ
째욘맘..ㅠㅠ
학폭 양아ㅊ1 그룹 르세라핌
@@홍길동-z6o5r 누가 학폭인가요?
사쿠라는 단순히 명석한 것을 넘어 매우 현명함. 오히려 미모 아이돌이라 현명함이 가려짐.
우리 채원 쌈아치 진심으로 다 하는 모습이 정말 사랑스러움의 극치구나..~♡♡
김채원 진짜 열심히 더 적극적으로 해서 보기 좋다ㅎ그리고 막내는 소오올직히 무대에선 아직 잘 안 띄었는데 여기서 보니까 성격 되게 좋고 귀엽네
@@Garagara1004 막내라 그랬자나..
@@Garagara1004 👍👍
쌈무 더 귀여워지고 더 뻔뻔해 지고 웃겨짐ㅋㅋㅋ윤진이도 개그감이ㅋㅋㅋ 즈하는 한국온지 얼마 안된 사람 맞냐고ㅜㅜㅜ 발음이 대박 이야,,,,
우리 채원이가 이정도로 개그캐였던가? ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ
진심 놀랐다 ㅋㅋㅋ 심지어 리더미 장난 아님 ㅋㅋㅋ
정말 노력 많이 하는 거 같음... 은비한테 자문도 많이 구했을듯
싸우는 것도 노잼이었는데...
@@송민규-y4b 그 원주율이 맞는지 가슴이 웅장해지네요 ㄷㄷ
@@ohhyunwoo0301 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 얼굴만 재밌었던 시절이있었지
아이돌 몇년찬데.......... 아이즈원 때 이미 예능 다 해봤지.........
사쿠라 마음씨가 선해보이긴 하네. 눈빛, 표정, 미세한 행동 하나하나에서 뿜어나옴
쿠라가 분위기를 화기애애하게 잘 만드네요~ 보기좋아요 르세라핌 언제나 화이팅
사실 난 아이즈원 팬은 아니어서 채원 사쿠라에 대한 기억은 프듀때까지가 전부라 그때보다 두 사람 다 너무 성장한게 보인다. 지금처럼 다른 멤버들 잘 이끌어주고 더 큰 그룹되길
어디서 개구라를
@@박영주-b5q ???
린정임니다
김채원,사쿠라 안 보는 사이에 잔망이 왤케 많이 늘었엌ㅋㅋㅋㅋ쿠라 개그캐고 채원이 카뿜리 된 거 귀엽고 막냉이 은채도 성격 너무 귀엽고 윤진이는 잘 받아주고 카즈하는 03년생인데 비율도 좋고 넘 예쁨ㅠ
와 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 이분 여기에도 있으시넼ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
김가람만 분량 없는 거 씹 ㅋㅋ 쟤만 빼면 밸런스 개좋을 듯
왜 우리 섹가람은 언급안하고그래욧!ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@psmaj53842 섹가람ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 별명 확정이네
@@아기dksshshsh 니들이 하고 있는것도 학폭이랑 다를 바가 없어...........
인터넷에 숨어서 집단으로 달려들어 한명 린치하는 거랑 뭐가 다르냐? ㅉㅉ
Love Chaewon's shamelessness, Yunjin being the voice of reason, Garam teased, Eun Chae's energy, Sakura's perfect timing, and Kazuha's blunt honesty!
Chaewon shamelessness is probably passed down by Eunbi and yena 😂
@@byunteangoo8269 who
@@himaririku5289 eunbi, yena, chaewon and Sakura are ex-izone members
4:35 성지순례 왔습니다
채원이가 저러는거는 100% 은비때문이다
아이즈원에서 은비가 리더일때의 모습을 보고 배운것이다
너무 귀엽다^^
오 맞는듯
그외 잔망과 예능감은 예나를 보고 배웠죠 아이즈원에서 같은 룸메이트 였기에 자신도 모르게 많이 늘음 ㅋㅋ
I lost my count on how many times did the staffs laughed on Sakura. She's indeed a variety queen. Can't wait for more...
떡밥 많은거 너무 좋다 ㅠㅠ이게 인생이지 요새 너무 행복하다 진짜...꾸라와 채원이 썸네일 벌써부터 너무 기대돼 ㅎㅎ
학폭녀 퇴출좀요..
You can tell the younger members really look up to Sakura.. Like during that online fansign demonstration, the younger members definitely learn a lot from Sakura. As expected from the pro veteran idol, the ichiban unnie, Miyawaki Sakura.
They all look very close and they all are so chaotic already lmao. Their dynamic is soooo fun to watch. LE SSERAFIM fighting!
채원이가 리더라 그런지 확실히 잘 이끄는거 같아서 보기좋다ㅎㅎ 그리고 예능감도 아주 물이 오른듯ㅋㅋㅋ
경력10년차 사쿠라 ㅋㅋ 진짜 스킬쩔어 꾸라 채원 사랑해
리더가 너무 귀여워 ㅠㅠㅠ쿠라의 한국어실력 너무 향상됨..
so much potential in this group. i'm glad chaewon and sakura can be their backbone. with yunjin expertise in english, they have very bright future ahead. stan ot6, all of them have their own charming persona..
5 of them have a bright future ahead indeed but sadly one member is on hanging thread with the korean public right now. When i check fancams of said member, koreans are very harsh towards her when i translated all the words which shocked me along the positive comments of intl fans. It made me think that the rumor might be true at all and they all know some info that international don't. Check the very end of the latest fancam of that member on m countdown you can see the fear, sadness and anxiousness in her eyes. The hate is getting through her which is depressing to see. Also made me realize that the video here are filmed before their debut. 😢
@@FrameTactics well bighit is not stupid to debut a newgirl group without even checking background. Bighit first girlgroup was full of scandal I'm sure they don't want to repeat the same mistake again. And according to the videos spreading on tiktok. Garam is not really the one who is the bully. But she is the one who is being bullied. You can check it on tiktok, a lot of people defending garam already compared before. Also let's just wait for the lawsuit. I'm sure they are going to release it once everything is done.
@@annetea4815 Most defending her are Intl fans anyway but koreans are saying the other side. Just check and google translate every korean language on her fancams its quite concerning even though they know that HYBE already made a lawsuit. Maybe they know what intl don't know yet. I want Garam to stay and be happy as an idol (with Lesserafim) but it is painful to see the hate on her. Maybe there is a truth to it and Garam knows that's why she seemed off and shy/embarrassed everytime.
@@FrameTactics u know that's just typical knetz they've been doing that to other idols too but as we watch these videos u could see how loved garam is by her members let's continue to support her until the truth set her free
@@annetea4815 Idk, even though many intl fans saying those photo is not her, but if you observe those photos closely her posture and features (such, round thumb, mole on her cheeks) it is 90% her. But it doesn't conclude anything, we still don't know the whole story, either all the accusation are true or OP twist the story to make Garam guilty.
아니 카즈하 너무 귀엽다 ....순둥순둥해보여....
I can't explain how much I miss eunchae and garam being together,both of them were treated as lovely maknaes,,I miss you so much girl I miss the days you were in le sserafim
Sakura is really funny and cute here have supported her since produce48, IZ*ONE and now LE SSERAFIM
LE SSERAFIM girls are so fun to watch, they are playful with a good sense of humor. Totally rewatchable content every time they release new ones.
채원이가 진짜 노력을 많이하는구나..
The last part shows Sakura was really born to become an idol. A pro indeed.
초반에 채원이 계속 까만 리무진 부르는 거 왜케 귀여워ㅠㅠㅠ
쿠라랑 채원이가 팀을 잘 이끌어가는 모습이 보기 좋다 !! 💕💕
Sakura is really funny! Advising the maknaes on what to do in fansign events shows a lot about her experience. 💕
I agree
24:49 this mad but cute Kkura just killed me everytime i see it 🤣🤣😍😍
꾸라 진짜 예능감 원래도 미쳤는데, 한국어 마스터하니까 날아다닌다...예능 많이 했으면.,.
@@jhl7918 kkura=sakura :)
These gurls are so lucky they have kkura and chaewon to guide them. So early from their debut they put out a lot already
사쿠라 진짜 웃기네 귀여워 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ카즈하랑 은채도 귀여워..♡
채원아 한 5번째보고있는데 잔망의 극치를 보여주는구낭 너무 귀엽다 ㅎ
꾸라 말하는게 센스있고 유머러스하네..
말한마디가 다 킬포네..
채원인 더 능글맞고..ㅋㅋ
사쿠라랑 채원이는 경력직이라 센스 장난아니네 ㅋㅋ
다른애들은 좀 어색해 하는데 둘이 경기 다 풀어 나가네
둘이 주도하는게 신선하고 새로울따름 ㅋㅋ
윤진이 진짜 볼수록 애들 날리는 멘트 잡아서 잘 이어주고 뭘해도 좋은 리액션 뿜뿜한거 너무 좋아ㅜㅜ 스윗걸💕
Sakura is so effortlessly natural at entertaining and being such a helpful teacher. I love her so much, she's had this idol thing DOWN for a decade!
사쿠라 앚즈때부터 막 던지는 말마다 웃겼는데 진짜 예나 못지 않은 예능감 짬이 있어서 인지 개 웃겨 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
꾸라랑 채원이가 분위기를 잘 이끄네 ㅋㅋㅋ 언니미 뿜뿜
역시 경력직ㅋㅋㅋ
둘이 주도한다는게 의외로 신선했음 존재감도 그렇고
우와.. 카즈하 너무 매력 있다. 퍼포먼스 때와는 또 다른 매력이네~ 너무 좋음. 완전 한국인 같음
2:27 쑥쓰러워하면서 ‘기절각이야’ 하는거 개귀여워 카즈하 미쳤나봐 이 귀여운 사람아
8:55 Eunchae is surely a smiling potato... she's a maknae who's smile brings happiness to her unnies
이렇게 사랑스러운 연예인은 처음이야…💛
Chaewon acting like she's lagging in a fansign just made me laugh so much because it mostly happens irl with idols while interacting with international fans, she's so funny 😭
채원이는 맞는말만하네!! 무대위에서 너무 멋있고 평소에는 너무 귀여워ㅎㅎ
역시 우리 러블리더채원이💕
채원이ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 못 본 사이에 무슨 일이 있었던거니 유잼맨이 되었어ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 하아 르세라핌 본업으로도 나를 막 휘감아버리는데 자컨이나 이런 컨텐츠들 보면 휘감다못해 회오리를 만들어버리네 세상아 어쩔르세라핌
Garam 🤧
I hope you are successful in your life now
역시 경력직 아이돌은 확실히 다르다. 저 여유, 저 능청, 저 포스!!! 쌈무꾸라 화이팅!!! 그리고 즈하도...(수줍)
I love how there's not one girl pushed more than another, they seem so comfortable with each other
꾸라가 걸어온 삶 자체가 인간극장 그 자체지 ㅋㅋ 핌둥이들 많은 컨텐츠로 만날 수 있어 넘 좋다!!
르세라핌 대박나자! 가즈아! 👍🌸💖😂😍😭🤣👌🤞🙏🤩
쿠라 한국어 진짜 많이 늘었네… 프듀 때는 걍 생 외국인이었는데 지금은 완전 무리 없이 잘 하네..
원래 김가람 별생각없었는데, 이 영상 보고 나니까 더 별 생각 없어짐
확실히 한가닥 하다 와서 그런지 방심 할 때 표정이 그런?애들 표정 나오긴 하네
뭔가 블핑 제니맛 일진 같음
24분 52초 은채 진심감동먹는 표정 진짜 중독이다 계속 보게되네
채원이 연습 열심히 하는 모습 너무 좋다
우리채원이가 분위기 살린다고 고생이많다!!!
I'm so glad there is Sakura to guide garam during their training 🥺
사쿠라 엄청 착하고 다 두루두루 챙겨주네 멋있음
르세라핌은 나오는 노래들도, 춤 실력들도 전부 다 말그대로 최고인데
카즈하 김채원 허윤진 사쿠라 홍은채까지 멤버들 한명한명이 진심 너무너무너무너무 예쁘고 매력넘치고 사랑스러워,.. 그래서 진짜 천사같다
꾸라 막 안무연습할때 디테일 잡아주고 팬싸 연습할때 팁같은거 알려줄때 진짜 너무 멋있엇어ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
이때가 쇼케 전이라니 ㄷㄷ 다행히 직접가서 쇼케 봐서 다행이다 ㅠㅠ 이거 보고 너무 많이 웃었네요 행복을 줘서 너무 고마워여 르세라핌 꾸라랑 쌈무 왤케 웃기짘ㅋㅋㅋ 윤진이도 뭔가 예능캐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
르세라핌 파이팅
재밌게 잘봣습니다. 채원님이랑 꾸라님 확실히 경력직이라 텐션 끝까지 이끌어주면서 멤버들에게 편안한 바탕을 만들어주어서 멋지다고 생각했습니다.
다른분들도 같이 웃는걸보니 앞으로도 이런 컨텐츠가 많이 나오면 좋겠습니다. ㅋ
Yunjin being stuck to the wall was the cutest and most hilarious thing ever to me 🤣 All the members are really funny and have great personalities plus I've really been enjoying their debut, especially Blue Flame and The Great Mermaid!
Why is Chaewon turning into like Eunbi with her jokes? She's too immersed, I can't DJBSJNSIUHDJADH 😭
We need more of this kind of content, they are naturally funny and charismatic to watch. i love lesserafim so much😩💜
진짜 너무 재밌다. 그냥 폭 빠져서 봄. 멤버들 한명 한명 다 사랑스럽고 개성 넘치고 또 어찌나 다들 야무진지...그리고 채원이 저 말투, 표정, 또랑또랑한 목소리 4년여를 봤는데도 날이 갈수록 더 좋다! 요즘 아주 르세라핌 땜에 미쳐버리겠음
I missed Chaewon and Sakura’s sense of humor from Izone days! They’re such lovable dorks. I’m happy to see the other members are quite funny too, and willing to go along with the jokes. Thank you for the English subs, I really appreciate it!
It’s cool that we can see Chaewon and Sakura leading the group with everything they do and making all these jokes to make everyone comfortable 😂
Yes these 2 are really funny so the maknaes feels more comfortable and yunjins antics and frank reasoning is also funny ☺☺☺ great chemistry they will surely go a long way
사쿠라 배려도 좋고 센스도 있고 너무 잼있네요
꾸라야 너 눈이 제일 귀여움ㅠㅠ땡글땡글 케잌에 곰돌이 누워있다고 좋아하는거 왜이렇게 사랑스러워 💞
와 진짜 사쿠라 예능력 뭐야 방송짬밥 어디안간다......
사쿠라 한마디 한마디가 진짜 주옥같다...
Chaewon, Sakura & Yunjin are definitely Lesserafim's variety trio! Never a dull moment when the cameras are on them.
우리 채원이 아이즈원 때도 이렇게 귀여울텐데
이렇게 우리 채원이 르세라핌 되었을때도
이렇게 사랑스럽다니 우리 채원이는 역시 대한민국의 미래가 빛날꺼야~~
채원 튀는듯 묘하게 끌리는 매력에 특별히 잘한다고 생각했는데 역시 리더였네요..ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
Kkura and Chaewon are so funny and entertaining that they just make the other members feel relaxed and happy. These girls are professional/veterans in the entertainment industry and they look like they care for their little members :( ❤️
I love how the girls are active 247 we be getting concents everyday 2-4 vids a day that shows how scheduled and hard working they are but thru it all they be having so much fun together which makes me the happiest hope they take care of themselves
사쿠라가 언어 센스가 장난이 아니네. 이정도일 줄은
Garam I hope you are doing well. We miss you!! ❤😢
꾸라가 저렇게 한국말을 잘했어? 왜 이렇게 다 잘해💖💖💖💖너무 완벽
오늘 분량도 많고 깨알재미가 넘치네요 ㅋㅋ
꾸라 쌈무가 팀분위기도 잘 이끌어주고 넘 보기좋아요
어쩔 르세라핌 화이팅! ♥
Chaewon’s acting can fool anyone hahah Sakura’s reaction at the bear on the cake is so cute. Kazuha’s so pretty, actually they’re all pretty as always. Yunjin’s smile is contagious. Eunchae and Garam conversing with each other is adorable. Hope to see moments like that a lot in the future. I’m loving these girls.
11:12 꾸라 채원이 머리 떼주는거 넘 조아....♡ 애들 넘 착해..
우리 쌈무는 지켜주고싶은 보호본능을 끝없이 자극함.
말한마디 표정하나가 다 소듕해
채원이 완전한 개그캐가 된 거 재밌음 ㅋㅋ 꾸라는 변함없이 센스가 좋고 즈하는 이때부터 예상치 못하게 웃기는 개그캐였네.. 혼자서 킬포를 몇 개를 만든 거임 ㅋㅋㅋ
All of them can be comedians as well, not just idols. They're naturally funny.
엄청 기대했는데 얼마나 재밌을까 21시에 바로 못보는 내가 원망스럽다... 내일 바로 봐야지... 바로 보는 사람들 겁나 부럽다..
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카즈하 한국말 왜케 잘해 온지 얼마 안됐다며 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 언어 천재인가?
확실히 사쿠라 하고 채원이가 방송짬밥이 있는지 잘하네ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
24:42ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ윤진이랑 즈하 머리 부딪혔엌ㅋㅋㅋ
kazuha already speaks korean so well in such a short time. can’t wait for her to be fluent🥺💗
Now i know why so many people like Sakura, she is naturally funny and lovable. I love how she just throws whatever the words come from her head.
Same here. Her personnality really does it all for me 👌
사쿠라 경력 진짜 무시무시하다 .... 정답을 다 알고있어 ㄷㄷㄷ
Le Sserafim is hilarious🤣
23:30-24:15 Garam and Eunchae had me laughing till I was in tears for this part🤣😭🤣😭
Did you notice how Kazuha's mic dropped at 11:58 but she professionally managed to put it back in place while dancing?
역대급 컨텐츠였다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 역시 꾸라는 저런 주접력이 입덕매력이지 ㅋㅋ 역시 10년차의 위엄 🌸💖💖🌸
그리고 애긔들 하나하나 점점 입이 트이기 시작한 아기새 보는거 같아 기분 좋다 ㅎㅎ 다음앨범 활동할땐 텐션 장난아닐듯 ㅎㅎ 르세라핌 대박!!🤩🤩
꾸라짱 진짜 호감이야 역시 프로아이돌 ! 팬싸 대응하는거 프로급에 한국어도 지금 완전 잘하고 얼마나 노력했을까 짝짝 박수쳐주고 싶음 ㅠ 👏👏 💗💕
this is so funny ! Sakura teaching korean part is too funny
워크맨 보고 드립력 심상치않아서 입덕했는데 채원 진짜 상황극 너무 잘한다ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Garam awkwardness while did fanmeet simualtion was so cute 😂 the maknaes need to take special lesson with the veterans