I mean when you're punished for trying to pick up survivors (Wiggle Perks, Flashlights, Flashbangs, Bodyblocking, Sabotage) and you can't even risk it because they're gutting every single gen defense perk... Hard to not use the only thing survivors can't help themselves out of normally.
Also survivors can get out of slugging using several perks,unbreakable being the main one I am forced to use now because killers are sweating a casual Christmas event
@@Dhampire1976 You mean survivors are sweating a casual Christmas event, forcing killers to respond in kind? DBD has been a survivor led game for years now.
3 v 1 vs a good Nurse, chases were insanely quick, and yet they still got all the gens done, simply because of how dog-shit gen-regression is at this point and how little reward hooks provide to the killer (And of course the multiple DSs and instas). It's really no wonder why slugging is becoming more prevalent.
What people don't get is that if you keep nerfing perks that reward you for getting hooks and, at the same time, you add perks that reward survivors for getting hooked, killers will adapt (like they always did) and find a better tactic. With the fear of Shoulder the Burden, killers of course slug even more. Let's add Deliverance, DS, OTR, Flashbangs, Flashlights and DH to the equation, and considering that ALL slowdowns got nerfed with Vecna's patch (and remember that all these showdowns are rewards for hooks, beside Deadlock), and here you have your answer. Why do killers slug even more? Because with slug, you counter all top second chances besides Unbreakable and, paradoxically, you can get more value out of slug than hooks. And, of course, Devs will punish killers again instead of addressing the problems of their game. At this point, killers have to repair gens with survivors lol
@CaptToilet I won't be surprised, even though they already tried unbreakable basekit in a ptb, and they scrapped it because it has literally 0 counters. But after Shoulder the Burden, I won't be surprised if they actually come up with something stupid like Unbreakable base kit
@mcahtme2977 Sadly, when I try to make people understand this, they insult me or they say, "That's because you are bad, watch top streamers who never tunnel, camp and slug and they win!!!" because they don't understand that these "top streamers" never face actually good survivors.
@@illNicola that’s because they all watch Otz & Spooky loops & they play with their meme builds and think they’re cracked. All the rest of the good gen slow down perks were nerfed last year. I suggest watching King Wolfe Also he has the mindset of Tru3 but solely wants to annihilate survivors lol but he also teaches the techniques he uses.
Básicamente no hay casi defensa de generadores ya. Si quieren repararte y priorizan el objetivo y reparan heridos no te da tiempo como killer ni con un tier S. Lo cual fomenta el tunel. Y resulta en partidas aburridas.
remember when ds could only be used instantly by the obsession and everyone else had to reach 25% wiggle i think that was the best place the perk ever was
Does anyone know if there's a mod that we can use to see our MMR like there is in other games like rocket league? I'm curious how high an MMR can go and would give us competitive players a goal to work towards.
Ya Idk Imo Nurse hasn't been the best for a while now. I've seen quite a few people struggle on her even good Nurses that I don't see very often on some other top killers. Nurse was one of my favorite killers when I used to play but ya Nurse has a lot more counterplay than people like to give her credit. Fun video to watch and regardless I'd love to see more Nurse games, she's still one of the more fun killer for me to watch.
interesting, nurse not the #1 killer in the game? why? Maybe your build isn't good. Try Pain res+Grim embrace+Dead man switch+Predator on nurse. Nurse kicking gens is too slow. it's like huntress kicking gens.
Nurse is still on top, but she's significantly harder to play because her builds use at least 2 aura readings, but without at least 3 slowdowns you get rushed (and probably even with 3 slowdowns you get rushed). DMS is pointless, Predator is God tier on Nurse. Probably the best options are Grim, Pain res/Deadlock, Predator, and Lethal. But on Nurse you can basically use any aura reading in the game lol
@dodang_9147 I'm a veteran of dbd, 8.5k hours in the game. She's still on top, but even god Nurses struggle against avarage survivors if they are efficient on gens. On Nurse, you only use aura reading because it's basically playing with wallhack, and you never have a 50/50. But, with few slowdowns, you get rushed even with super fast chases.
He said in the video. Map pressure. Nurse has terrible map pressure. If DBD was an RPG, she basically maxed all her points into chase and nothing else. So while she has extremely dominant chase potential, that's not the only thing you need to win, and especially in the current state of the game with gen defense being the weakest it's ever been, and actually hooking survivors punishing the killer because of all the perks and changes made that hurt killer for doing their objective, Nurse being the best at chases just doesn't cut it anymore. You need killers that can get around the map quickly like Blight, Oni, Wraith, or Hillbilly to keep people off gens across the map; and even then you have to go for slugs because you waste too much time trying to hook especially because of DS, BT, OTR, STB, etc.
I mean when you're punished for trying to pick up survivors (Wiggle Perks, Flashlights, Flashbangs, Bodyblocking, Sabotage) and you can't even risk it because they're gutting every single gen defense perk... Hard to not use the only thing survivors can't help themselves out of normally.
Hmmm almost like people start doing that because of the slugging
Also survivors can get out of slugging using several perks,unbreakable being the main one I am forced to use now because killers are sweating a casual Christmas event
@@Dhampire1976 You mean survivors are sweating a casual Christmas event, forcing killers to respond in kind? DBD has been a survivor led game for years now.
@@Dhampire1976 Wait, you think people wouldn't use flashlights, flashbangs, body block and sabotage if killers didn't slug? What?
lol the irony in here on both sides is astonishing just enjoy the game yall damn
3 v 1 vs a good Nurse, chases were insanely quick, and yet they still got all the gens done, simply because of how dog-shit gen-regression is at this point and how little reward hooks provide to the killer (And of course the multiple DSs and instas). It's really no wonder why slugging is becoming more prevalent.
I never seen a game punish you so much for doing your objective
Actually I tried it myself as a former nurse main, I just put on my slug build and literally won every game for sometime
What people don't get is that if you keep nerfing perks that reward you for getting hooks and, at the same time, you add perks that reward survivors for getting hooked, killers will adapt (like they always did) and find a better tactic.
With the fear of Shoulder the Burden, killers of course slug even more. Let's add Deliverance, DS, OTR, Flashbangs, Flashlights and DH to the equation, and considering that ALL slowdowns got nerfed with Vecna's patch (and remember that all these showdowns are rewards for hooks, beside Deadlock), and here you have your answer.
Why do killers slug even more? Because with slug, you counter all top second chances besides Unbreakable and, paradoxically, you can get more value out of slug than hooks.
And, of course, Devs will punish killers again instead of addressing the problems of their game.
At this point, killers have to repair gens with survivors lol
I feel unbreakable at base will be a thing soon to counter. Just another bandaid from bhvr instead of an actual fix
U spoke no lies
@CaptToilet I won't be surprised, even though they already tried unbreakable basekit in a ptb, and they scrapped it because it has literally 0 counters.
But after Shoulder the Burden, I won't be surprised if they actually come up with something stupid like Unbreakable base kit
@mcahtme2977 Sadly, when I try to make people understand this, they insult me or they say, "That's because you are bad, watch top streamers who never tunnel, camp and slug and they win!!!" because they don't understand that these "top streamers" never face actually good survivors.
@@illNicola that’s because they all watch Otz & Spooky loops & they play with their meme builds and think they’re cracked. All the rest of the good gen slow down perks were nerfed last year. I suggest watching King Wolfe Also he has the mindset of Tru3 but solely wants to annihilate survivors lol but he also teaches the techniques he uses.
I've been having lots of fun slugging as killer. Matches seem to usually go a lot slower
Básicamente no hay casi defensa de generadores ya. Si quieren repararte y priorizan el objetivo y reparan heridos no te da tiempo como killer ni con un tier S. Lo cual fomenta el tunel. Y resulta en partidas aburridas.
remember when ds could only be used instantly by the obsession and everyone else had to reach 25% wiggle i think that was the best place the perk ever was
Current anti slug perks are way stronger than current anti tunnel perks.
Survivors have tools, if it becomes meta it will eventually devour itself.
Does anyone know if there's a mod that we can use to see our MMR like there is in other games like rocket league? I'm curious how high an MMR can go and would give us competitive players a goal to work towards.
I think the only place I seen this was via cheats. Which means you risk getting banned.
@@2fauth343 Dang that's a bummer.
4 man comp Olympic team all star swf vs wittle tru
Ya Idk Imo Nurse hasn't been the best for a while now. I've seen quite a few people struggle on her even good Nurses that I don't see very often on some other top killers.
Nurse was one of my favorite killers when I used to play but ya Nurse has a lot more counterplay than people like to give her credit.
Fun video to watch and regardless I'd love to see more Nurse games, she's still one of the more fun killer for me to watch.
More mid players
interesting, nurse not the #1 killer in the game? why? Maybe your build isn't good. Try Pain res+Grim embrace+Dead man switch+Predator on nurse. Nurse kicking gens is too slow. it's like huntress kicking gens.
Nurse is still on top, but she's significantly harder to play because her builds use at least 2 aura readings, but without at least 3 slowdowns you get rushed (and probably even with 3 slowdowns you get rushed).
DMS is pointless, Predator is God tier on Nurse. Probably the best options are Grim, Pain res/Deadlock, Predator, and Lethal. But on Nurse you can basically use any aura reading in the game lol
That’s right
@@illNicola sounds like super casual take.
@dodang_9147 I'm a veteran of dbd, 8.5k hours in the game. She's still on top, but even god Nurses struggle against avarage survivors if they are efficient on gens.
On Nurse, you only use aura reading because it's basically playing with wallhack, and you never have a 50/50. But, with few slowdowns, you get rushed even with super fast chases.
He said in the video. Map pressure. Nurse has terrible map pressure. If DBD was an RPG, she basically maxed all her points into chase and nothing else. So while she has extremely dominant chase potential, that's not the only thing you need to win, and especially in the current state of the game with gen defense being the weakest it's ever been, and actually hooking survivors punishing the killer because of all the perks and changes made that hurt killer for doing their objective, Nurse being the best at chases just doesn't cut it anymore. You need killers that can get around the map quickly like Blight, Oni, Wraith, or Hillbilly to keep people off gens across the map; and even then you have to go for slugs because you waste too much time trying to hook especially because of DS, BT, OTR, STB, etc.