Apollo, the Dismounted Black Numenorians each got between 200 and 350 kills. And to answer your question from the start of the battle. We didn't move because paladinbob gave us 3 minutes to take a look at the map but we forgot the Tribesmen for a moment so they got some kills.
my thanks to Apollo for doing this replay...some of the other great cities of middle earth have a lot of history and backstories to them and umbar is no exception...but I know that a scenario with large cities and lotsa extra trimmings do take there toil on recording ...so a big thank you to Apollo for putting in that effort to finally bring this scenario to light!..
I like how the black numenorians held out for so long. Like a corrupted, evil version of the heroism of the Dunedain. As in, even after having turned to evil, they still have those same ideals and strength. ...and the Black numenorians, decendants of the followers of the true kings, stood alone against the onslaught of the West. And in them was again the might of Ar-Pharazon the Golden, and the great armada, and their swords were keen and their wrath was terrible to behold, and between themselves they slew many Elf-friends, and many dwarves, and many of the first-borne of Illuvatar who still had long years of song and joy ahead of them... (Yes alot of "and" in the same sentence but if you read Tolkien's lord of the rings you see that there is a lot of "and" in there as well :D)
juiuffophiguo yea I would play evil factions just for them. they are these corrupted ultra elite unit that can slaughter even the proudest of units that any good faction can field.
I wish that the cav-unit wav recruitable and not just generals bodyguard, and that there was an archer unit of them that used the hollowed steel-bows of Numenor... And that also harad (and haven of umbar if you play DaC) could recruit them! Possibly also Angmar/Gundabad
juiuffophiguo my absolute favorite unit of all time is the dunedain steelbowmen of northern dunedain in divide and conquer. They look awesome and in terms of double sided effectiveness in both archery and melee they slaughter.... 16 attack 20 defense rivals even the most elite elven bow units
Riven RivenRiven Actually they're not the same race, Gondorians are just Descendants of Numenorians and a more mixed kind, while instead the Dunedain are direct descendants making them technically still Numenoreans, the Black Nunenoreans are corrupted Actual Numenoreans from Numenor itself
Gr1nd0r Are they actually black though? Like their skin? Is it darkened and more sinister looking because they have been turned evil and corrupted? (In no way was I trying to sound racist) I meant like according to the LOTR Lore.
Corpus Lamina Well, I *thought* I was having a nice day. Until some random aggressive guy starts telling to learn something I've learnt a long time ago.
Hey there Apollo, how about this as a Third Age scenario? Just a rough idea. The defenders are in a extremely advantageous position, not necessarily bottlenecks so no boring Thermopylae situation, but are just difficult to reach, and are composed solely of elite units. The catch is that they are outnumbered by the attackers 10-to-1. OR... Another idea. Orcs are laying siege a city. The thing is that the attacking Orcs are actually outnumbered by the defenders rather than the other way around. The Orcs are made up only of elite units and the defenders, while much more numerous, and made up of the absolute lowest tier units possible. I don't know how that would play out but it seems like something interesting enough to worth a try.
I really enjoyed the fact that you were well informed in lore/total war tactics and could explain it without wasting any time. As a person that has only watched the movies and read the hobbit (and felt satisfied) leaving that world, and never playing total war. I was kept interested with what you explained without being overwhelmed with knowledge! A very rare skill! I am now subscribed! keep up the good work!
Many years ago the mangonel was released, oh the great destroyer of dreams and its flaming barrels of justice (apollo you should celebrate the mangonels birthday)
+Shadow Wolf to balance the dlcs, in the americas dlc if the Spanish had the same amount of men in a unit as the Mayans the native tribes would get dominated, but that's the reason for the americas but i dont know about the rest.
I cant tell you how much your commentary makes the game something lots of us look forward too. Keep up the good work Apollo, more Elven battles when you can...Thanks again..
It's a shame they can't do this in Divide and Conquer instead, The corsairs have their own faction there and Gondor and Dol Amroth could do the siege since they have tons of Marine-based units like The Haven Guard and the Coastal Wardens, The Lebennin Marines, the cooler looking Pelargir marines and all that
Dude you really made my day I have no clue I'm accualy dumbfounded why you don't have 1 mil yet you are truly my favorite yourtuber thank you so much for this battle.
I like how Apollo never realised that the Black Numenorians holding that on choke point and killing multiple elite units were actually 3 different units of Black Numenorians. Still impressive, but 3 units of them killing 2 units of Swann Knights and 1 unit of Dwarves is a bit less impressive than 1 unit doing all that😅
Let's see: A awesome battle of titanic proportions? Beautifully designed map and units? Inclusion of the deep, rich Middle Earth lore? Engaging commentary? A photo-finish ending? The good guys emerging victorious? It's confirmed: This battle had it all. You've got yourself a new subscriber :)
the first movie would like Gondor sieging umbar . the second ,harad tries to retake it .finally the third movie would be the civil war and plague within
And don't forget the Massive Overhaul Submod, Fennas Drunin (iir the name correctly, search on TW forums "third age submods"), etc... They're all awesome and great.
I didn't watch yet, but That's why the defenders lose when they are the good guys.. Unlike this battle, they are always heavily outnumbered.. Love you Apollo
what i don't understand: the corsairs that can be seen in the movies and their ships look much more like a mix of asian pirates and mongolians. The haven of Umbar in this battle on the other hand looks so clean and "gondorian". I can understand that the mod does not have the assets to bring a movie version of umbar to life but it is a shame nevertheless :/. Or maybe Peter Jackson took a high amount of creativ freedom and Umbar was not as cool looking as they did in the third movie.
At this time it was still (Black) Numenorean, despite obviously having a population of mainly Haradrim its lords were Numenorean so the building style will mainly be Numenorean as well. As Gondor was Numenorean as well its logical that the two rather look alike. There's obviously plenty of creative freedom in the movies to make the corsair ships look all evil and such, but also its in a different time.
PA, when you were trying to explain why the serpent guards were losing to gondor infantry, you should have just said, "One does not simply beat gondor infantry."
Nothing like a nice long third age or medieval kingdoms 1212 siege battle, I maybe in the minority but hour long battles are awesome (unless it's mostly skirmishing)
the way I remember the time frame of these battles before or after the war of the ring is one quote from the movies Bilbo invites Gandalf in for tea and offers him a drink saying "laid down by my father, 1296 almost as old as I am" (concerning hobbits)
pixi if you have any chance to ask Son of Imladris how many kills his numenoreans got, PLS DO IT! They DESTROYED the **** out of 4 or 5 elite units, it was amazing! Pls tell us in the next vid! keep up the good work bro, you always make my day :D
Hey, pixelated Apollo. Not really sure if you read comments much, however, i would like to say that your channel is one of the best channels out there👍🏼 Love your channel and will continue to watch your videos until i am dead. #KnightofApollo👌🏻
IF I were Djokadal, I probably would have stationed most of my troops up on the general's platform. With the TINY chokepoint, and the possibility of great archer fire on troops below, I think it would have been best, especially since it will be a deterrent for just going after the city, because if they tried to run past into the city, they would have to worry about being hit from behind with a serious force. I still would have dedicated some troops to the ramp though, that was good. Some good infantry, and some well managed archers could make the position impossible to take.
*My voice seems to be a little too loud. Ill be sure to fix that in future videos :D Thanks for watching guys :D*
ahaahahaahhaahahahahahahaaahahaahahhahaaaahhahaahahaaahahahhaahahahahhaah it is not
Apollo can you please review tsardoms mod battle beta for M2TW,I think it would be a great mod and id like seeing it geting more attention.
Pixelated Apollo can you PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS do a guide on how to micro fast. i just started playing and my micro is way too slow.
Pix I would LOVE to see in your next video the good guys defending and winning
Pixelated Apollo what are your pc specs
My favorite Apollo video. A true MASTERPIECE. 6 years on and still gold.
Apollo, the Dismounted Black Numenorians each got between 200 and 350 kills. And to answer your question from the start of the battle. We didn't move because paladinbob gave us 3 minutes to take a look at the map but we forgot the Tribesmen for a moment so they got some kills.
Which one of the players was you ?
Are you the Son of Imraldis?
RIP Sneaky swan knigth, we will remember you
Oh god yes an hour long Apollo video on my 15th birthday. This day cannot get any better :D
Helperino Kripperino HAPPY BIRTHDAY.😀🎂🎉🎉🎊👏👏👏👏👏
Devontae Nash Thanks man!
Helperino Kripperino🎉🎊🎉🎊🎉🎀🎉🎊🎋🎉🎉🎋🎈🎄🎈🎋🎈🎋🎉🎋🎉🎉🎋
you made this comment about 3 hours ago so i can asume its still ur birthay so happy birthday
Happy birthday!
my thanks to Apollo for doing this replay...some of the other great cities of middle earth have a lot of history and backstories to them and umbar is no exception...but I know that a scenario with large cities and lotsa extra trimmings do take there toil on recording ...so a big thank you to Apollo for putting in that effort to finally bring this scenario to light!..
I like how the black numenorians held out for so long. Like a corrupted, evil version of the heroism of the Dunedain. As in, even after having turned to evil, they still have those same ideals and strength.
...and the Black numenorians, decendants of the followers of the true kings, stood alone against the onslaught of the West. And in them was again the might of Ar-Pharazon the Golden, and the great armada, and their swords were keen and their wrath was terrible to behold, and between themselves they slew many Elf-friends, and many dwarves, and many of the first-borne of Illuvatar who still had long years of song and joy ahead of them...
(Yes alot of "and" in the same sentence but if you read Tolkien's lord of the rings you see that there is a lot of "and" in there as well :D)
juiuffophiguo yea I would play evil factions just for them. they are these corrupted ultra elite unit that can slaughter even the proudest of units that any good faction can field.
I wish that the cav-unit wav recruitable and not just generals bodyguard, and that there was an archer unit of them that used the hollowed steel-bows of Numenor... And that also harad (and haven of umbar if you play DaC) could recruit them! Possibly also Angmar/Gundabad
juiuffophiguo my absolute favorite unit of all time is the dunedain steelbowmen of northern dunedain in divide and conquer. They look awesome and in terms of double sided effectiveness in both archery and melee they slaughter.... 16 attack 20 defense rivals even the most elite elven bow units
those black numenorians man, wtf... hold like 4 or 5 waves of elite infantry
haha yeah crazy!
Vampire Count They were same or stronger then gondorians and arnorians... They are same people acctualy if u have read silmarillion
yeah their very op
Riven RivenRiven Actually they're not the same race, Gondorians are just Descendants of Numenorians and a more mixed kind, while instead the Dunedain are direct descendants making them technically still Numenoreans, the Black Nunenoreans are corrupted Actual Numenoreans from Numenor itself
Gr1nd0r Are they actually black though? Like their skin? Is it darkened and more sinister looking because they have been turned evil and corrupted? (In no way was I trying to sound racist) I meant like according to the LOTR Lore.
Those Númenóreans are no joke! Well done as always, Apollo.
Bob. Synn and Kuro are true geniuses. Love the historical scenarios. Big fan of the lore. Keep 'em coming Apollo!
thanks and yeah big thanks to those guys for making battles like these possible
you should leave a link how to download this game on the App Store
@@tommarquie4259 you can’t download this in the App Store 🤣
@@tommarquie4259 it’s a computer game
This is my favourite Battle of your TATW Playlist.
I love Gondor and i love massive battles.
Nothing better than a bloody fight!
Anyone remember when PA made a video without an all caps title for the name of the battle?
I don't
Is it a problem?
Staffaynu It isn't even ALL all caps.
He needs to use the word justice or destroyer of dreams more often in his titles.
Staffaynu z
Corpus Lamina Well, I *thought* I was having a nice day. Until some random aggressive guy starts telling to learn something I've learnt a long time ago.
Hey there Apollo, how about this as a Third Age scenario? Just a rough idea. The defenders are in a extremely advantageous position, not necessarily bottlenecks so no boring Thermopylae situation, but are just difficult to reach, and are composed solely of elite units. The catch is that they are outnumbered by the attackers 10-to-1. OR...
Another idea. Orcs are laying siege a city. The thing is that the attacking Orcs are actually outnumbered by the defenders rather than the other way around. The Orcs are made up only of elite units and the defenders, while much more numerous, and made up of the absolute lowest tier units possible.
I don't know how that would play out but it seems like something interesting enough to worth a try.
DirgeOfCerberus111 all fun and games till you see an all gold chevron army because the troops are cheap as hell
Who likes massive battles
Everyone
me
Hà Dương not everyone that's stupid u don't know what everyone likes
noah fortner it wasn't a joke and I'm not mad so
noah fortner and I'm pretty sure I know its the internet
I really enjoyed the fact that you were well informed in lore/total war tactics and could explain it without wasting any time. As a person that has only watched the movies and read the hobbit (and felt satisfied) leaving that world, and never playing total war. I was kept interested with what you explained without being overwhelmed with knowledge! A very rare skill! I am now subscribed! keep up the good work!
I liked very much how you talked about the history of this city and the battles that took place here and i hope you keep that up for future videos!
Many years ago the mangonel was released, oh the great destroyer of dreams and its flaming barrels of justice (apollo you should celebrate the mangonels birthday)
mangonel did not come with M2TW vanilla.
yes it came with kingdoms.
+Shadow Wolf to balance the dlcs, in the americas dlc if the Spanish had the same amount of men in a unit as the Mayans the native tribes would get dominated, but that's the reason for the americas but i dont know about the rest.
+Emperor of the Great Unknown yeah but i just want to have a mangonel birthday.
Loving the battle so far man (Love your channel)
Apollo, your videos are so much fun to watch! I lose track of time every time i stumble upon your channel.
I cant tell you how much your commentary makes the game something lots of us look forward too. Keep up the good work Apollo, more Elven battles when you can...Thanks again..
It's a shame they can't do this in Divide and Conquer instead, The corsairs have their own faction there and Gondor and Dol Amroth could do the siege since they have tons of Marine-based units like The Haven Guard and the Coastal Wardens, The Lebennin Marines, the cooler looking Pelargir marines and all that
Gr1nd0r yup divide and conquer is so nice... agreed it would have made this battle even more epic
DAAAAAMN PA, BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE 1 HOUR UPLOADS!!
Dude you really made my day I have no clue I'm accualy dumbfounded why you don't have 1 mil yet you are truly my favorite yourtuber thank you so much for this battle.
Great video! I've gone on a APOLLO VIDEO STREAK this morning because I missed a few videos when I was away! LOVE U APOLLO!
*Hey, hope u enjoyed the battle :D*
thax for playing with us Magyar...hope u had fun in the battle..:D
MagyarHoplita hajra magyarok. szep meccs :)
gg epic battle
gg dude :D
This is normal Third age or DAC or MOS?
A game thats 17 years old now and I still find it to be one of my favorites
The best one in a long time ! Love all Apollos videos
59:12 lol that gondor infantry got rekt
Sick battle man
Thanks dude!
nice battle pixie
Ismar wait how can a battle can be sick its not a living thing ???.? (troll face)
Ismar I agree
oliver green, just stfu
Man you have no idea how happy i be when i wake up and see a third age video
Watching pixelated Apollo is making me so happy
PPAP = President Pixelated APollo CONFIRMED!!
Dang it, i so wanted you to be president man!
Awesome Apollo
Great vid man, I like the historical middle earth battles you do :)
I like how Apollo never realised that the Black Numenorians holding that on choke point and killing multiple elite units were actually 3 different units of Black Numenorians. Still impressive, but 3 units of them killing 2 units of Swann Knights and 1 unit of Dwarves is a bit less impressive than 1 unit doing all that😅
I think...
that this was one helluva battle.
Good job defenders for that stand and the attackers for the cooperation. Well-timed
im just NOT getting sick of these scenarios ... keep em coming, apollo!
Wow! That battle was amazing! Especially those black numenorians made an epic stand!
Best and most exciting siege battle I have seen in a while, reminded me of the old vids @pixelated apollo
FINALLY A THIRD AGE BATTLE LOVE THIS MOD KEEP UP THE GOOOD WORK WITH THIS
Let's see: A awesome battle of titanic proportions? Beautifully designed map and units? Inclusion of the deep, rich Middle Earth lore? Engaging commentary? A photo-finish ending? The good guys emerging victorious? It's confirmed: This battle had it all. You've got yourself a new subscriber :)
Great video, btw now that you live in Orlando maybe you could do a meet up with prince of macedon the man who started this legendary channel :D
Love your videos! I wish I could play this great game. But I can't because my computer is broken. But any ways, keep up the good work man!
Magyar Hoplita is Hungarian Hoplita in english. He is a hungarian youtuber who makes total war videos.
This is the best game ever!!!!GOOD WORK PIXELATED
APPOLLOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU FREAKING ROCK YOU ARE AWESOME YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
KaasKikkerkoning wow...ur excited
nice bit of lore in the beginning... appreciated
You know what i like from PA?
That he replies to our comments
Like this one :) hihihihi...
Pixie, where you at?
Ummm... xD
Any second now.
check out my two PPAP videos
wow fail
i'm still waiting for his response.
one day...
I just was like, whatt? No videooo yesterday, this sucks and today's video better be awesome ! And we get this :O
Thankkkk
1:02:34 that gondorian catapult crew taking out a Black Numenorrean has balls of steel
Imagine if a movie trilogy was made on the history of Umbar .
the first movie would like Gondor sieging umbar . the second ,harad tries to retake it .finally the third movie would be the civil war and plague within
im buying medieval 2 total war just for this mod, it looks awesome
Vampire Count i think its just a custom map, havn't seen this in the regular mod.
True, but the mod itself, together with all of the submods are fucking awesome!
You won't regret it. After you get tired of it, use the Divide and Conquer submod, with a lot of extra factions, custom settlements and so on.
it's only $2 on G2A
And don't forget the Massive Overhaul Submod, Fennas Drunin (iir the name correctly, search on TW forums "third age submods"), etc... They're all awesome and great.
Live of a soldier for the lone swan knight!
I really like to see the perspective from the south sea side and desert area. It's totally different than other battles. ;)
Personally: when I see videos or stories of gondor fighting the corsairs and Harad, it always make think of Athens vs the invading Persians
I didn't watch yet, but That's why the defenders lose when they are the good guys..
Unlike this battle, they are always heavily outnumbered..
Love you Apollo
This is the most positive community I've seen on RUclips
Hurray! :D
Fun video. Glad to see it was a fight to the last man standing.
nice scenario there pbob ^^ looks very umbary xD
my thax[bows]..perhaps another city battle [dale ..might be on the horizon..fingers crossed :D]
what i don't understand: the corsairs that can be seen in the movies and their ships look much more like a mix of asian pirates and mongolians. The haven of Umbar in this battle on the other hand looks so clean and "gondorian". I can understand that the mod does not have the assets to bring a movie version of umbar to life but it is a shame nevertheless :/. Or maybe Peter Jackson took a high amount of creativ freedom and Umbar was not as cool looking as they did in the third movie.
At this time it was still (Black) Numenorean, despite obviously having a population of mainly Haradrim its lords were Numenorean so the building style will mainly be Numenorean as well. As Gondor was Numenorean as well its logical that the two rather look alike. There's obviously plenty of creative freedom in the movies to make the corsair ships look all evil and such, but also its in a different time.
Synn - how about Command and Conquer submod? Wanna download and try. What do you think about it?
Yesss third age. Thank you master Apollo. :)
You were peaking a lot in this video
Great battle and even better commentary , many thanks ,from England 2024
Probably one and not the best custom scenario... great job PaladinBob!
I absolutely love your puns!!!
PA, when you were trying to explain why the serpent guards were losing to gondor infantry, you should have just said, "One does not simply beat gondor infantry."
A showdown between Gondor and Easternlings very personal battlefield perfect.
Nothing like a nice long third age or medieval kingdoms 1212 siege battle, I maybe in the minority but hour long battles are awesome (unless it's mostly skirmishing)
the way I remember the time frame of these battles before or after the war of the ring is one quote from the movies Bilbo invites Gandalf in for tea and offers him a drink saying "laid down by my father, 1296 almost as old as I am" (concerning hobbits)
Best Intro presentation ever!
A very nice battle Pixel Adet Apollo
pixi if you have any chance to ask Son of Imladris how many kills his numenoreans got, PLS DO IT!
They DESTROYED the **** out of 4 or 5 elite units, it was amazing! Pls tell us in the next vid!
keep up the good work bro, you always make my day :D
200-350 each
wow :o thanks for your answer!
wow
Dude those camel javelins were soo cool
It was really good because swan knights and elite troops were getting hammered and once the port troops came they all attacked at the same time
Even though I died two weeks ago my soul watches your videos.
I absolutely love these epic third age sieges!!
Really like your vids.. Very high quality! :)
You should do another battle of the five armies, that was great, or even maybe a custom erebor/dale scenario.
:)
At the Battle for Umbar, the lown swan knight fought off many black numenorians and bought time for the rest of the army, we will remember you
Another awesome scenario would love to play this battle
That battle should be played in Third Age:DAC there are the Faction Havens ot Humbar,Who is a very solid faction,sad we didn't see they
Hey, pixelated Apollo. Not really sure if you read comments much, however, i would like to say that your channel is one of the best channels out there👍🏼
Love your channel and will continue to watch your videos until i am dead.
#KnightofApollo👌🏻
I love how the deffenders not winning any time is slowly turning into a meme
I really love the battle reply it is so great i always keep watching and watching..
please do more of those lore explanation at the beginning of battles it is really awesome
such epic gameplays........ highest praise for all
8:38 #militialivesmatter
+Colt's RUclips You heartless monster!1! 1!1!1!1
#militiaisjustameatshield
Simon Thelen nah nobody care about the lives of the militia
Great content PA love you man :)
YES! more third age!!! LOVE IT!
That Epic one on one with the Swan Knight was good. Damn the archers spoil it
this was a great video keep up the good work
These ancient battles from Middle Earth are great !
I would love to see that big settlements in the third age campaign sieges
thx for the video appollo and thx for making the map pallinendbob :)
"Extra turkey legs for everyone...and women!" LOL sounds like a party i'd like to go to.
that pronunciation at "Magyar hoplita" was priceless :D (no hate)
keep up the good work i love these videos
Hey Apollo after watching your videos for the last year and a half I realized something..... never bet against paladin bob
Don't feel like your metaphor is working? Double down. Love these videos man! :)
Pixie what about 2nd breakfast? :D
pixelated Apollo you should do elves .vs. dwarves
Michael Dixon OMG yes
Michael Dixon he already did one before.
+MADSnipR, but he should do more though
IF I were Djokadal, I probably would have stationed most of my troops up on the general's platform. With the TINY chokepoint, and the possibility of great archer fire on troops below, I think it would have been best, especially since it will be a deterrent for just going after the city, because if they tried to run past into the city, they would have to worry about being hit from behind with a serious force. I still would have dedicated some troops to the ramp though, that was good. Some good infantry, and some well managed archers could make the position impossible to take.