SHOGUN 1x5 "Broken to the Fist" Reaction & Discussion!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Shōgun, a new and adapted historical drama series, has arrived, depicting war and power in 1600s Japan.
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the actress who plays fuji kills it with her expressions
agreed!
every scene with her is just amazing :D
She killed Uejirou as well
The scene where marikos husband blames sake is masterpiece. right after you see his arrows hit the perfect spot. it contradicts what he was saying. him being drunk wasn't the reason he beat her. he has lots of self control when drunk. thats why he was able to shoot an inch away from her face and hit the target. also why he refrained from saying how he escaped. Even though he was piss drunk, he was still very aware and in control
He knew the trouble he would get in with Toranaga.
Its why he didnt kill the Anjin
The vfx in this show are really impressive. The landslides looked completely believable to me. Amazes me that we're able to see this level of quality in a TV series these days, even if it's still a high budget limited series. This show looks as good as a theatrical film, maybe even better than a lot of them.
YES. Watched before I went to sleep last night. I drove to work this morning through a very hilly part of town, surrounded by greenery & I was so anxious the whole time lmao.
I'd bet it was done by done by ILM. It's a Disney show so it makes sense they'd use their ILM talent to do vfx on this show. (FX is a division of Disney if you don't know.)
@@SomethingSomewhereJustOnceThat's right, but Disney had no part in the creation of this series. FX did it all on its own, but being a subdivision of Disney, of course this show will be published straight on to Disney+
In my opinion the Uejirou dying was for Blackthornes mistake. But when he was told that he died a better death that he could of ever hoped for it was to help Toronaga keep the spy alive, rather than because of Blackthornes words. Lived and died in service.
Fuji seeing Blackthorne put the stone back respecting the memory of the Uejirou could be sowing big seeds, she will be so proud when she finds out Toronaga has her fathers swords. After watching this for a 2nd time, these two things stuck out for me.
Torunaga smiled seeing the swords and probably knew where they came from. poetic that it should go back to him.
He doesn't understand their custom, but now he knows.
Didn't they say it before he was "declared" as a spy? how could they have known that it was a "better death"? From their perspective it should have just been A death because he made a mistake. Would you disagree?
@@asadyousafzai937 They knew he was dying and he sacrificed himself, the planted evidence was found after the landslide but the death was the day b4. Though other than the landslide the timeline for the show could differ, unless shown otherwise I'll stick with it :)
The way I see it is Uejirou volunteered so that no one else would die. He sacrificed himself.
I love the little detail of the women having dinner first, actually eating quickly and freely before the men come was quite a nice touch.
Thank you. I wondered what that was about.
Say what you wish about the wife beater Buntaro, the actor who played him gave a stand out performance in this episode, deserving of a lower reverent bow surpassing that that of his heroic fighting at the docks.
Also the character is more complex than most ppl has given him credit for; Buntaro literally just came from a near death experience fighting for his lord and he comes home to find out that his wife is intimate with a ‘barbarian’ (at least lives in the same house and in Japan that’s not a common thing). After some Dutch encouragement its probably quite reasonable that he had an outburst.
@@Midnight_priestWait does he actually know?
@@LuigiGamesful Buntaro doesn't know, part of the reason Mariko refers to the incident as a "courtesan" visiting John, if anyone really knew they'd be done for.
Buntaro thinks little of Mariko and even less of John. Dude pulled up from a foreign land and is slowly becoming a respected member of Toranaga's clique because he has fancy weapons.
@@LuigiGamesful he doesn’t ‘know’, but the thought of his wife living in the same house with another man is enough to make him feel som sort of way….
In the books, much of Buntaro's behavior is explained though not justified. As the daughter of Akechi Jinsai, Mariko is generally considered bad news socially, either a traitor herself or just an ill omen. Buntaro publicly treats her harshly because he thinks it is expected, because the common perception is that she brings dishonor to him.
Privately, he loves her and wants to be close with her, but she keeps her distance and he reacts with rage and abuse.
You have to remember, the Japanese were mostly vegetarian at this point, with the exception of raw fish. Eating other meat, like the rabbit in the stew Blackthorn offered them (which was not rotten), was tantamount to cannibalism. That's why they were so nauseated as he attempted to serve it.
As for the pheasant, hanging a game bird to let it season, or rot a little, was a common practice in Europe to tenderize the meat.
Last, but not least, in the book Blackthorn named the large rock in the garden Uejiro-Sama (Lord Uejiro), after the gardener who worked so hard to place the rock and who lost his life removing the pheasant.
Another thing Mariko is upset about is that Blackthorne egged Buntaro on with the drinking, and Mariko knows he's a mean drunk. Blackthorne doesn't, and Mariko is, in my interpretation, kinda seeing Blackthorne acting like a child at that moment; missing all the cues to tread lightly.
Also, notice the arrows in the right post at the end of the scene? He didn't just manage to shoot them through the same hole.
Also, in the book, the pheasant episode is just a horrible lesson in Blackthorne needing to be more aware of his power and responsibility. The show did a great job of adding to that by tying it into the spy story.
In the book Blackthorne checks where arrows landed right away and honors Buntaros skill by telling Fujiko leave that arrows implanted in post
Dude hit the target twice while drunk. Excellent marksmanship!
What an episode! They've done so well at making each culture seem so alien to the other, and displaying the merits and flaws of each. Also, Fuji stole my heart.
Most intense dinner ever
most intense episode in general😬😅
"You can't kill him."
Buntaro positioned himself to commit seppuku. If Anjin understood him, he was at his mercy. One word, and Buntaro would have removed himself.
No
@@Rabbithole8 Yes. He knelt, and removed his katana. He kept his wakisashi, which he would have used to "make amends".
@@scotthewitt258 honestly I would’ve let him do it. I don’t care if he’s a badass or that he’s loyal to Toranaga. That bastard deserves to die for the pain he has caused his wife.
@@scotthewitt258 Seppuku/harakiri was generally committed only under permission. For Buntaro to kill himself without the permission of Torunaga would dishonour his lord. Tied to that is depriving Toranaga of a valued samurai, especially out of some relatively minor offense (being a bad house guest) towards someone Buntaro doesn't really respect. Keeping his wakizashi (脇差, わきざし) not wakisashi (わきさし) as you have it, is not a sign that he is going to use it on himself. In fact, if Blackthorne would attack him, his katana and wakizashi are available. The gesture is of apology and saving face and the only proper response is to accept the apology and move on.
@@Rabbithole8 Yes. The main defense of any argument.
"You're wrong because you made a typo!"
I feel sad for Uejiro's death, not only because he was an innocent man, and the whole thing was so unneccesary. It was also the death of Blackthornes only friend. Even though friend is stretching it a bit, they were on friendly terms. It was a relationship where Blackthorne could let his guard down, while getting a better understanding of japanese culture. His relationship with Mariko at this point, was beyond friendship, and therefore tense in a different way.
Hello ! Just to say that in Belgium some people are still eating pheasant like that 😅, but mostly old peope. So if you are invited to an old peope's home for dinner in Belgium and they say that they make pheasant for dinner, you know that you gonna eat rotten meat 😅
the reason why Toranaga promoted Omi was to drive a wedge between him and his uncle. it's better to have those two fight against each other instead of plotting against him or his son.
That’s why he’s the smartest guy in the show
He’s a smart guy!
The guy is an expert in sowing discontent.
I mean Toranaga is the Ieyasu Tokugawa in real life
Toranaga knew the council
Wouldn’t be able to agree on a replacement for him. Ishido doesn’t want another Christian on the council because they would have a majority in the council and the Christians don’t want an Ishido crony on the council because they’d be outnumbered. Can’t wait to see what the heir’s mom has in mind for them.
No one can know about their pillow session. The whole Japan 9 months later:
The more the plot thickens the better this show gets !
I'm already sad in advance it's gonna have to end soon. I wish there was 5 more seasons to look forward to.
If anything Shōgun success will remind holywood that skillfully crafted character based productions will always win audience heart and engagement over soulless CGI based money pumps (looking at you Disney 🤮)
Thing is, you can actually partially expand on this series too but instead of focusing on the end of the Waring States, they could advance it to the Boshin period.
You can have a descendent of Blackthorn coming to Japan as part of the British advisory corps for the Imperialist cause - that of Chosu and Satsuma, etc.
This will also be quite a fun turn around as it would be him helping to train and form and equip the imperial army that would go into overthrow the shogunate his ancestor helped to form.
- and you can even have descendents of our Japanese characters and blackthorn in Japan be on the Shogunate side.
They could do adaptations of the rest of Clavell's Asian Saga; there's like a half dozen more books set in the same timeline as Shogun that covers a lot of history from Colonial Hong Kong to pre-Islamic Revolution Iran and features similar East vs West culture clash
@@reecedignan8365 OR, you can just follow the progression of James Clavell's "Asian Saga" instead of having to come up with a storyline that are on the same level as the original story.
I agree with your comment it’s just funny to me that this comes from Disney too so they give and they take away
The main white character is a terrible cast. His face and emotions are so dull, awful actor. Ruins the show, but eh, you always need a white guy to save the day.
11:49 im low key obsessed with her, both actress Moeka Hoshi and her character Fuji, aside from the obvious being shes beautiful AF... her acting reminds me a bit of what Tom Hardy does, shes amazing with her eyes, facial expressions and body language.
This show is just so incredible. You two have the best reaction for this show
This just became THE show to watch, astonishing episode
This episode was sooo intense. Jeez! Everyone's acting and reactions are soo good.
I was kinda expecting Lady Ochiba to do an ohohoho laugh at the end. She gave me an ojousama vibe.
Ara ara..🤭
Episode 5 was even better than previous 4 which I didn't think was even possible! ♥
I love the respect and friendship that starts to grow between Fuji (Fujiko) in the book & first series) but she is very much the same character and well chosen. A young women in the books & first series she makes the agreement with Toranaga to become Angin San's Consort.
As a Japanese I would say that in my opinion, we are more desensitized to earthquakes and landslides. It’s no less tragic, but such disasters are frequently on the news, and it is somewhat expected. (The scene in Shogun is definitely dramatized and an earthquake / landslide on that scale is not something that happens frequently).
One thing that seems strange to me is the way Buntaro is treating Blackthorne considering that Blackthorne is a hatamoto, the highest rank of Samurai. There has been no indication that Buntaro is a hatamoto, and the historical figure that Buntaro is based off of was not hatamoto either. Therefore Blackthorne outranks Buntaro. On top of that Buntaro is a guest at Blackthorne’s house. With this in mind, I think it would have been customary for Buntaro to bow to Blackthorne upon arriving for dinner and thanking him for his hospitality (even if he didn’t sincerely mean it). I guess Buntaro decided to break from traditional manners because he didn’t think such usual manners should be applied to a “barbarian”. Just wanted to emphasize that being a hatamoto was a BIG deal. I may be wrong but my understanding is that although unrealistic, as a hatamoto, Blackthorne would have legally been justified to be judge, jury, and executioner and kill Buntaro for the crime of disrespecting a hatamoto.
Buntaro-sama's behavior at Anjin-san's house seemed realistic to me. John may outrank him in title but Buntaro-sama's seniority way outranks John's. And he literally fought his way and almost sacrifised his life to save his lord Tranaga's life. And he is Japanese and John is not. So by themselves, they're about what they are now. But he put his sword down and bowed down to John because John is a Hatamoto and he is lord Tranaga's gaijin anjin. He knows he can't touch him for now. Legally? Lord Tranaga is the law in his territory. It's his state and he is the lord.
I mean, I think Buntaro is taking advantage of a foreigner because Buntaro knows John doesn't 100% understand the culture.
@@Wasthere73yeah, he was calling him a monkey to his face knowing he didn't understand the language. 😄
I think the arrows show that in spite of drinking that much sake, he was in control. And the reason he gave Blackthorne for hitting Mariko, that he was drunk, was just that… a bullshit reason. And Blackthorne understands that
this is one of the best acted series I ever watched. all actors are very very good
As a Japanese who experienced a major earthquake in Japan, the earthquake scene was certainly shocking. Japan is an earthquake-prone country, and Toranaga=Ieyasu actually experienced a huge earthquake at that time (although I think what is depicted in the drama is fiction...).
Did you catch that the corrupt warlord that Mariko's father killed was the father of Ochiba no Kata (the heir's mother)?
I need a Fuji in my life. Ride or die. I think the repressive (idk if that's the right word) side of Japanese culture is what makes their art so expressive.
"Perhaps it is acceptable to boast in his country."
"Then, a soldier,
Full of strange oaths, and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden, and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth."
youtube.com/@chrispittman8854 I'm touring in a production of As You Like It right now, funnily enough 🙂
You can really see where GRRM (as he himself stated) got a lot of ideas for Game of Thrones. For instance, Mariko's father was the "Kingslayer," like Jaime Lannister. And Lady Ochiba is basically Cersei Lannister...
This entire episode was a ply to Blackthrone authorities and responsibility. He has authority over all in the house yet his it responsibility with his actions due to lack of wisdom cases so much turmoil, the condoning of drinking lead to Mirako being subject to domestic violence, his ignorance to their customs caused the death of his Gardener friend, his ignorance towards their customs caused the destruction of his relationship with Mirako. So much consequence on Blackthorne’s shoulders due to his ignorance towards his authority and responsibility.
I think this best summarizes the episode. This is where Blackthorne realizes how much he can affect other people's lives, when before he's quite a "free spirit".
A little perspective that may or may not be missed in the whole mess in Blackthorne's home....
Fuji, as the consort (or wife if that was the case) is the supreme authority in the home. She's the definition of boss-b@&^$. And as part of that, ANYone who disturbs the peace in the home, save for the one person above her (the man she is wife or consort to) is on her sh^--list. It is her #1 job to keep the home as her lord's refuge and sanctuary.
So, when Buntaro and Mariko got into it... that put Mariko (despite being the victim) on her "get out of my man's house!!" list. Understand also that this is the same Fuji from the first episode who lost her husband and infant child and Mariko was the one to console her... also, Fuji is part of clan Toda, same as Toranaga's number 1 guy and also same as Buntaro. This is also the same Fuji who was ready to put a bullet in Omi if he dared make Blackthorne give up his guns, because the safeguarding of her master's property is 100% her duty... whether that be his guns, his clothes, his money, his home, his servants. Thats why she didnt know but knew that Mariko had slept with Blackthorne (you notice the surprise on her face when it was mentioned the next morning?)... if there was a courtsean it would ONLY have been allowed by HER, Fuji. And she knew of no such courtesan.
It was also her who put the gardener to death for touching the pheasant, because that.was.her.duty.
But she also understood that in carrying out that duty she had somehow failed Blackthorne and the only answer to having dishonored herself in that failure is honor in death.
But he instead dismissed her, so she lives in her dishonor.
This mirrors Mariko's annual asking Buntaro to unalive because of the disgrace on her from what her father did. Ans in much the same light... to do the right thing he broke a cardinal rule.
And to do the right thing, Blackthorne's gardener broke a cardinal rule set by Blackthorne, and the awful duty fell on Fuji's shoulders.
There was a line when Fuji was talking to the servants about buying new cooking knives out of Blackthorne's mishima (his stipend) because she was worried about food contamination with whatever horrors he was doing with his so-called cooking skills. But it is part of her duty to spend his stipend on household needs.
And she hates being bound to Blackthorne, but she is absolutely clear on her duty.
This episode was HEAVY. And so good!
Ochiba No Kata as Fumi is killing it. What a great performance.
I keep hearing "its like Game of Thrones" but if anything its the other way arround... Game of Thrones is like Shogun (the Story is way older...) Love your Reactions and Discussions!
This show becoming appt television. I'm hooked
I get the feeling Torunaga is trying to get the nephew killed. 😂
Up until the 18th and 19th century, people had very high audio aqurity, they listened to layers and nuances in language, many common folk could speak multiple languages easily and picked up new language fast. Which i think is how John is learning Japanese so fast, plus he's immersed in the culture too... In fact, the portrayal is he's learning quite slow compared to the real man.
Mariko and Fuji were eating quickly before dinner because they knew Blackthorn woukd offer them some gross English food for dinner. And the English tradition of letting birds age before eating was still a thing a hundred years ago. I saw a show where they took a modern family and had them live like rich English nobles in the early 1900s. The chef wanted them to try a favorite dish of several day old game birds but the family (probably wisely) refused the dish.
The show definitely took a different turn here. In the books Toranaga is far more empathetic to Blackthrone as he understands that he values life. Also this was not clearly explained but essentially it's not so much about the bird but the legality of Blackthorne's status. If he were Japanese, there would be no big fuss about it. An order was given, an order was disobeyed and punishment meted out.
However, despite the fact he was made hatamoto by Toranaga. Technically he was not a samurai as he was a foreigner. All hatamoto were samurai however, so the question became a legal issue which eventually got bumped to Toranaga. Toranaga then made things official by adopting Blackthorne into his clan, thus confirming his status as a real samurai and making all of his orders legal. Realizing Blackthrone would feel squeamish about this, he personally lent his blade or his official retainer to oversee the execution of the old gardener to give him a proper send off.
This was made clear to Blackthorne that the gardener died a quick painless death and was honored by the whole village for the privilege of confirming Blackthorne's status as a samurai. Of course none of this registered to Blackthorne at the time due to his western values.
Toranaga is sticking with the devil he knows. He's driving a wedge between Yabushige and his nephew.
The earthquake just kind of expands why things was so cruel there, leak of resources and ruthless environment
Blackthorne is like "I'm learning all of Japanese NOW."
Anjin mimed shooting a bow. Thus implying he is an experienced archer and has used a bow in combat.
longbow practice was still mandatory of boys in england during this time
@@twiliblade Not sure our statements are mutually exclusive. I said he was familiar with archery.
@@scotthewitt258 He was just adding context, don't be bothered by it.
@@scotthewitt258yeah no dispute to you, a samurai would be trained in archery, horsemanship and swordplay traditionally. but the english until the new model army of cromwell (gunpowder replaced traditional archery completely as it was an easier skill to replace, still in 1642 a militia of longbowmen was effective against unarmoured muskeeteers) were mandatory to practice archery every sunday. some could shirk this but there was fines
19:34
not only is he "a very skilled fighter" because of the fact that he nailed two arrows on a post as he claimed to be able to do, he's "a very skilled fighter" who just indeed nailed two arrows on a post as he claimed to be able, *while behind a wall and without line of sight,* and *while under the influence of sake* that he later uses as an excuse for beating down Mariko.
that's the kind of 4D chess you have to be thinking of here.
when Toranaga lets Tadayoshi interrupt the meeting in episode 1, the knows that if he allows that as intended, as Tadayoshi's defense of Toranaga's honor, that's inherently disrespecting Ishido and his standing, which merits the punishment of Toranaga's entire entourage. That's why he denies Ishido's offense, and instead leaves Tadayoshi to take the fall himself. Same thing with Toranaga's claim that he is a prisoner at Osaka no more than Ochiba is a prisoner at Edo: if he was a prisoner at Osaka, he'd be entitled to try and escape.
This show will hopefully teach people the importance of *DEFINITIONS* and how they can be bent out of proportion if you don't plan for them: if you were to "disregard the law" as a "sovereign citizen", "disregarding the law" also disregards your own right to an attorney, as per law itself, so the law doesn't apply to you at all... you're free game, and no officer of the law has to pull any punches. So, what are you? are you a free citizen? or are you a law-abiding citizen? if you're free, you're an outlaw... if you're law-abiding, you're under arrest.
That razor Yobu is dancing on gets sharper every day.
Yobu is the conniving one, right? Who is paranoid about spies?
Yes
The traditional religion of Japan is Buddhism - which means most meat is prohibited for the Japanese. For animal protein, they only eat fish at this time. They find other meat as disgusting. That's why Fuji wants to get new cooking utensils, bowls, chopsticks for themselves that won't touch Anjin's food.
If you paid attention to the trailer for this week, Buntaro's return was foreshadowed. Several of the clips, you could see Mariko's bruised cheek.
Damn Buntaro a menace!!
Japan’s in the middle of The Ring of Fire (the converging earthquakes and volcanoes). The fault lines are converging instead of the transform fault lines of California. The plate tectonics of California run against one another. The convergent plates runs directly into one another, like a fist over a hand. They are deadly.
Anjin walking away without accepting Buntaro's apology was a huge dishonor, I think. Buntaro might actually kyll him. Not to mention, him coming after Buntaro with such rage to defend Mariko is like waving a huge flashing sign thst says " I have feels for your eife."😂
He was talking about Mariko and she was talking about Fujiko lol
It's not that he wants to degrade her, such dishonor passes to your progeny, they weren't as individualistic as the west today. Mariko lives in the shame caused by her father and would like to join him but her husband forbids from so.
In fact, Mariko's (Garasha Hosokawa) husband, Buntaro (Tadaoki Hosokawa), was a domestic violence husband with a strong attachment to his wife. There is an anecdote that he was so jealous that he slaughtered a gardener who had fallen in love with his wife.
Because Buntaro (Tadaoki Hosokawa) was a maniac, Mariko (Galasha Hosokawa) consulted a missionary about divorcing him.
35:45 - Wondering if the earthquake scene was particularly traumatic for Japanese viewers...I do wonder about the Japanese point of view regarding death that they talk about in the show. Mariko mentioned, I believe, earthquakes and wild fires and flooding as all being unpredictable aspects of living in Japan and how that all shapes their philosophy and way of life. In the modern era, add to all of that the fact that Japan is the only country to have been attacked by atomic weapons. I wonder if the idea of a "Godzilla", a giant monster emerging from the ocean to destroy the country, is somehow very specifically Japanese?
Am I the only one who thought Buntaro returning alive was EXTREMELY SUS? That maybe Ishido spared him in order for him to act as a double agent?
I just realized that Mariko is Cate Randa from Monarch:Legacy of monsters😅
And Lord Ishido is her dad in Monarch.
The character Toda Mariko was inspired by Hosokawa Gracia. She was the daughter of Akechi Mitsunari. He betrayed his daimyo and leader of Japan, Oda Nobunaga. Mitsunari was then defeated and hunted down by Toyotomi Hideyoshi (inspiration for the Taiko).
Akechi Mitsuhide, not Mitsunari
Mitsunari is Ishida"s given name（Ishido）
Anyone else legitimately worried at the end about whether or not Fuji-sama made it after the earthquake?
How about a series reaction to Blue Eye Samurai next?
If you've ever eaten game like pheasant, this is still how its prepared. Its not that bad, seeing as its a fishing village with no refrigeration, and has a pigeon coop for messages in town, and they're preparing fermented soy beans, not to mention all the shit, blood and entrails they keep having to mop up from people due to seppuku they would have been used to much worse smells.
fyi the earthquake is an actual thing that happened in 1605 it is believed that it measured a 7.9 of the Richter scale
I think Blackthorne giving Toranaga the swords was a f*ck u rather than being honorable, making him swallow his own lie
They say this show is loosely based on Leyasu Tokugawa and the Tokugawa Shoganate but after watching this episode all I can say is the that I would eliminate the word loosely cause the events are pretty accurate. Ruler Oda Nobunada was ambushed by his general Akechi Mitsuhide which was Mariko's father, but he is named differently here, great show!
Want to see just how close? Compare Toronaga's clan symbol with Tokugawa's
To see just how close they get, compare Toronaga's clan symbol to Tokugawa's
that earthquake is wipe toranaga army , so hes card defending while ishido gonna attack is gone gone , when ishido attack toranaga will lose for sure . damn this episode is the lowest stand for toranaga hes need to think differently again to survive from ishido
Jinxed the hell out of the domestic abuse situation
I like meatbag instead of meatpaste 😂😅
Ok help me,I don't understand Blackthorn's intention hanging the dead pheasant in the first place?
Letting it "ferment" for a few days is supposed to improve the flavor of the pheasant when it's eaten. It's an English thing
@@robertblack9381 what is it called?
@@JoeJoeJoe25 It's not really called anything- it's just a traditional way to make game meat (pheasant in this case) taste better for human consumption
Until it completely falls off apparently, or so he said in the book 😂.
I'm kinda hoping they don't try and pack the whole novel into this first (and only) season. They might have, maybe it's all already decided and I'm just an idiot (obviously what has been shot is already shot), but comparing this show to both the novel and the 1980s miniseries, I'd say we've maybe covered the first 1/4 or the first 1/3 of the story. They have up moved up some events from the novel in this show, but they have also included several scenes and scenes from the novel that were just outright omitted or severely shortened in the 1980s series.
I guess time will tell. :)
I cannot understand why he hanged that perfect pheasant just to rot away. Historically Brits didn't eat rotten poultry or meat so I cannot find any Historical context for that event. 🤷🏾♂️
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Just a note: In actual History the assassination of Lord Oda Nobunaga (Lord Kuroda in the show) was not an act of “protecting the realm” by Akechi Mitsuhide (Akechi Jinsai in the show), but rather an act of ambition and vengeance fuelled by the actions of Nobunaga.
1.) Mitsuhide was a renowned Buddhist. Nobunaga had been on a campaign to remove extremist Buddhist clans like the Ikko Ikki, and also remove the religion’s influence from politics. In a very brutal act, Nobunaga attacked and burned one of the most renowned temples in the country called honno-ji, inside were many men, women and children. Any survivors who were captured regardless of their gender and age were killed. Now i want to say, this may sound bad and make Nobunaga sound horrible (which it is), but this was very common in feudal japan. They ddint have the same morals we have nowadays. In fact, some things that they did dwarf some of the most brutal war crimes of Imperial Japan (not in terms of numbers of course, Imperial Japan killed waaay more people, but the manor of killing was much worse in feudal japan). This act along with other acts if genocide against people of his own faith pushed mitsuhide towards betraying him.
2.) One of the most major reasons is that Mitsuhide made a deal with a Daimyo of a Clan that if he surrendered to Nobunaga, Mitsuhide would give his own mother as a hostage. The Daimyo agreed. When the Daimyo met Nobunaga, he had him arrested and then executed. Since this violated the agreement, Mitsuhide’s mother was killed.
3.) Mitsuhide had ambition. It is said that after Nobunaga died, Mitsuhide quickly pronounced himself the new shogun. However this would not last.
4.) A peasant who rose through the ranks of Nobunaga’s army called Hashiba Hideyoshi was campaigning in the west of Japan on Nobunaga’s behalf, whilst Nobunaga finished off some enemies east and oversaw other campaigns in Kyoto. He quickly heard of Nobunaga’s death at the hands of Mitsuhide. The hastily assembled his army and marched towards Kyoto to avenge his lord. Mitsuhide panicked and mustered whatever forces he could. The two met at the Battle of Yamazaki where Mitsuhide would be defeated. Hashiba Hideyoshi would later change his name to Toyotomi Hideyoshi, he becomes the Taiko and is off course who Taiko Nakamura is based on in the show.
5.) Mitsuhide fled deep into the mountains and would apparently be found and killed by bandits (rather than kill himself as the show says). It is said he died a coward’s death.
It's wild how I know so much of this story because of Nioh 2
Full of mistakes.
Cheating on your abusive husband will never be cheating. If he abuses woman he deserves more than to be cheated on
I could hardly be angry with my wife for banging someone if she had every reason in the world to think I was dead, and that she'd probably be dead soon too. Things are happening fast out here
You forgot about succession again 😐 literally last 3 episodes left but you guys couldn't even be consistent for that much 😑 the way this channel handled Succession and a few other shows was absolutely unprofessional and childish.
Ikr... I usually watch this channel only for succession reactions.. You could never tell when the next episode will drop. It could either be next week or next month.
0:53 Whats that on Achara's right wrist?? Looks like allergy!! Get it checked girl!!!
Europeans were not super dirty during the 1600s lol. The Japanese were not big meat eaters so meat in general was disgusting to them plus you would hang up animals to tenderise the meat.
I think the woman reactor has "some views" on English people. A few times now I have noticed her starting to say something about England and then either talking quiet or changing the topic. But, you know, it's the internet. You have to hate the English - for some reason. (Though with out them you wouldn't would be able to tell the world how much you dislike them.)
Show is getting better and better every episode 🔥🔥🔥
Toranaga obviously knowing the truth about Fuji's "father's" swords, really gives depth to him accepting them with honor from Anjin. Because he presented them to Fuji under the pretense he did. To give her honor.
Anjin still fucking with him after saving his life, "I know you know these swords are worthless"😂
@lpreactions565 She will get kill off later with honor protecting her husband.
@@Herocoldfinger Not worthless... worth three bags of rice! 😉
Exactly that's why he laughs. Also probably thinks blackthorne doesn't know the truth about the swords.
@@staple_boibut at the same time, he understands the _intent,_ the _meaning_ behind the gesture. He gets that Anjin really meant to make sure his lord had swords at his side.
Fujis reactions are gold 😊
Toranaga is a genius,
He is sowing discord between Yabushige and Omi🤣
using by Tonomoto account.
Protect Fuji at alll cost!
Fuji Sama will be fine, girl is destined to be Johns Waifu.
@@sonm1na thank god!🤣
fuji is 🥰
hell yes!!!
Fuji is best girl
Yeah. Little Taiko's mom IS Cersei.....
same thing in my mind, I litrely search this comment
He literally said “if touch… die”. Be careful with your words. What Mariko Sama said about the weight words carry should be a lesson to us all. Death or not.
Anyone with common sense would know that when a foreigner who gives commands relating to execution, you should be more diligent and double check with them before you carry out the deed.
But that's just me.
@@AIartificalIntelligeremember the timeline
The weight of his words comes from having a rank, the weight of the rank lessens if the words are questioned
@@AIartificalIntellige remember the timeline and the culture
@@AIartificalIntelligeHe isn’t some foreigner to those villagers. He was lord Hatamoto and order from Hatamoto is once and final. That’s exactly what mariko warned him about. Being mouthy or outlandish can bring your own death or death of others.
Fuji will like seeing her father's swords on Toranaga.
The way I thought Fuji(his consort) died from the earthquake bro. I was ready to cry ngl. Especially when fuji stands out the most this ep. I would have been genuinely depressed if something happened to her
Unfortunately, Fuji protect her husband at all cost include her life. You can see she have gun now. Be prepare for heart breaking up coming episode.
@@jitsak1977 No spoilers please. Many haven't either read the original book, or seen the 1980's version.
@@dust_bin_gaming7319 I am sorry.
"He's on some 4D chess" best reaction quote ever 😂😂😂
Everything in the opening sequence is probably foreshadowing. The mountain crumbling to reveal the helmeted head of Toranaga probably represented the big earthquake.
I don't care what happens to whoever, don't let anything bad happen to poor fuji.
The Bird thing was the first time in decades that i was in shock for a Fictional thing. It started as a random gag/Joke and it ended in an old man loosing his life
What I felt while watching this episode is that the sense of death must have been more familiar to people in those days when they would be more affected by earthquakes than now. I am a Japanese who experienced the 3.11 Great East Japan Earthquake in Tokyo, and it brought back the feeling that all Japanese people felt the presence of death at the same time that day. Death, which is usually an individual thing, comes to everyone at the same time. I think this is a good reason why Japan in the Samurai era had a unique view of life and death.
Cooking the rabbit is the funniest part of the book. He's so enthusiast to show Fujiko and the cooks how to skin and prepare it while everyone is horrified, disgusted and trying not to vomit. :)
Why? Why did he let it rod?
@@4984christianit wasn't rabbit he left to hang, it was pheasant and was for a different meal. With a lot of game birds like pheasant you're supposed to leave it for a few days so the natural process of decay makes the meat less tough and more tender. It's perfectly safe and the way you're supposed to do it, it's not even exclusively an English thing. They just heavily dramatised it in the show for comedic affect (for example, there's flies yet it's far too cold for that by now,) and I think to also highlight an element of hypocrisy in the Japanese and in viewers who are overall extremely quick to judge Blackthorne when he doesn't understand something but laugh along when the other characters insult, mock and degrade him and aspects of his culture he hopes to share in return.
@@tipbgle I just really didn't get it before and thought if he was mocking them. Thanks, now I understand.
@@tipbgle We bleed meat, that's a necessity, but surely not to the point of letting it rot?
Not excusing the domestic violence at all. But explaining it.
Buntaro is suffering from several intolerable humiliations:
Wife is from a line that is akin to Hitler's daughter in that time. She wants to kill herself, but he actually loves her in his own way (according to book.) That's why he forbid her to kill herself, but she hates him for it and refuses to sleep with him for years.
Serving under a barbarian.
Unfaithful wife (who has cheated on him with a barbarian).
Wife is disappointed he's not dead.
Additionally, this is the late 1500's. Women were considered property in Japan as well as Europe and beating a wife was commonplace. The reason he shot that arrow and beat her was due to all those reasons as well as suspecting she slept with Blackthorne.
Again not excusing it, just explaining it.
When you slurp food or drinks, you also inhale nitrogen & oxygen (air) it enhanced more flavors to its meal or drinks.....try it. Btw, wild meat (like a pheasant) becomes more tender, the longer it has been rot, three days to a maximum of of a week, between 2 and 7 degrees. Hare or rabbit does not to be eviscerated. Love & P.E.ace from overseas, The Netherlands.
I remeber the pheasant from the original mini series :(
We all do. Richard Chamberlain did the devasted agony even better, in my opinion.
It's insane how much power the words of someone with a higher status than the rest has on those under them. I do like that Blackthorne learned that he has been given a position of power and learns how much power he has over the lives of the people under him and has to live with the consequences of what he said. It's a new thing for him given he pretty much came from being a commoner to somebody who can dictate life or death over others. As sad as it is, the old man's death was able to serve a purpose for Toranaga.
35:46 I'm not Japanese, but when I saw that earthquake scene, I felt really terrified because it reminded me of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami. I remember spending weeks following the tragic news and seeing disturbing footages on RUclips.